In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista

Adams what did you doThe most telling part of this whole sordid affair is when the second trial jury officially queries why Gerry Adams has not been brought before them by either the prosecution or the defence.

The unvarnished truth is that the testimony of the leader of one of the largest political parties in Ireland was so strewn with contradictions and lies that neither side would take the risk of having Mr Adams appear in order to put their case.

Yesterday he was hiding behind the obvious distress of his own niece in order to evade the southern press’s searching questions about his own role in her long ordeal to obtain justice.

So what do we know?

We know that he actively obstructed and delayed her attempts to seek even limited justice, until as she put it she realised, “he was buttering me up. In the end I realised it was all about PR and protecting his own image.”

We also know he had full knowledge of Liam’s move from Belfast/Donegal to Dundalk, and then back to Belfast.  And we only have Gerry’s word that he mentioned anything to Fr McGoran in Clonard any allegations.

And he only came up with that deceased witness in the first trial earlier this year – previously he said he had told the authorities at Clonard. No-one, at Clonard or anywhere else, has any record of any concerns being raised.

As Gerry Moriarty reported in the Irish Times even in the mid 90s, Adams was unequivocal in denying his niece, or any one else, the option of going to the police:

…in January 1995 he said people should not report alleged cases of child or drug abuse to the RUC. This was during the first IRA ceasefire, when Sinn Féin still refused to accept the legitimacy of the RUC.

Liam Adams worked with children in Dundalk and later at Beechmount and Clonard from 1998 to 2006, again in the full knowledge of his MP brother. In allowing it to happen, Gerry Adams put hundreds of children at risk of abuse by not disclosing the matter to anyone.

As for the answer to the Irish Daily Mail’s urgent front page question yesterday, with all the opportunities Mr Adams has had to put the record straight, there can be only one obvious conclusion: there is zero evidence that he did anything until the UTV documentary very publicly forced his hand.

Adds: The original documentary, only available in the UK and for six says only…

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  • ArdoyneUnionist
  • AU,

    As I understand it, it’s not quite what you say. Yes, the PSNI are responsible for investigating all reported or suspected crime. They gather evidence but only send a report to the DPP if they think there is sufficient evidence to proceed with a case. When they do send a report, then the DPP weighs the likelihood of getting a conviction. If they think the evidence isn’t strong enough they don’t proceed.
    There is obviously room at that stage for political interference but we’ll not know if there is.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Hi Joe,

    If there is no prosecution, will those involved in criminality be able to use the Gerry Adams defence, if the psni try to prosecute them for refusing to tell of criminality???

  • Mick Fealty

    What defence? This is surely a political rather than a judicial matter?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    cynic2

    Change of analogy?

    Righy-ho:

    I shall make this plain:

    I made this suggestion to divert the RUC whataboutery aspect of the discussion so that Gerry is laying there on the table for all to see

    I don’t know where you got the idea that I was trying to deflect responsibility from Gerry so will happily write it off as an inability to understand your point due to my limited IQ.

    I can only assume that you’re not so stupid as to think I was sticking up for himself.

    I will just not be party to “a session of throwing rotten fruit at the man in the stocks” so do not misunderstand my lack of blood-lust as sign of love for himself.

    Clear?

  • Lionel Hutz

    I think that it is relatively a recent change that curbed the Palin’s discretion around passing a file to the prosecution. Afaik there is some discretion with low level criminality but certainly with regard to the possible offences Gerry Adams is suspected to have committed a file would have to be passed. To be honest I’m not sure if the PSNI pass on a file because they suspect mr x of committing y or if they just pass on the file and let the ops decide what “y” is. But I am pretty sure that their recommendations to or to not prosecute are relatively meaningless. There is a straight enough test for prosecution and although the PSNI’s opinion might have some weight when considering if, for example, witnesses are credible, there is no formal weight to be attached to it.

    It seems to me that a prosecution for not reporting an offence would not have a reasonable prospect of success. I would think that the reviewing of the court record of the evidence would be with a view to considering a charge of perjury.

    There’s one other thing I would say to posters here. Just because it was claimed that Gerry Adams knew about the abuse earlier than is claimed and on the other hand Liam Adams was convicted of sexual offences doesn’t mean that the claims against Gerry Adams have been substantiated. He was not on trial and indeed played no part in the proceedings.

  • Lionel Hutz

    By the way Mick,

    I don’t think you can say that Gerry Adam wasn’t called because of contradictions in his evidence with any authority. The PPS gave some story about a late application for discovery changing their minds. You may well be right, but you can’t know. Seems to me that has allowed some to derail your post. Little things like that detract from your point.

    Personally, I think that if Gerry Adams had a formal position in government north or south he would be under no pressure. But he’s an absentee landlord and it’s almost irrelevant up here that he is the leader. In the south time will tell. But how can they forgive him after this with all the sex abuse scandals. It’s not possible.

    Although you have to admit he’s brilliant at PR.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    That was interesting Mr Huts, it looks like Gerry is getting a, pass go and getting collect £200 an out of jail free card.

    Can we now look at two facts.

    There is no disputing the Gerry knew from at 2000.

    The shinners have Agriculture and Rural Development, Culture, Arts & Leisure and Education at Stormont.

    Does this then make it difficult when any shinner minister but especially O’Dowd makes an announcement on child protection. When their leader is known to have harbored and protected an incestuous pedophile child rapist???

    http://www.deni.gov.uk/index/support-and-development-2/child-protection-safeguarding.htm

    In Northern Ireland we are starting to investigate institutional child abuses. Will the shinners have any credibility with the victims now that they know that their leader harbored and protected an incestuous pedophile child rapist???

    Their is no mention on the shinner web site of the Liam case.

    Below is former Belfast Lord Mayor with survivors of institutionalized child abuse both sexual and physical.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/63234668@N04/5905207096/in/photostream/

    I think it would be interesting to know what Chris Donnelly thinks on this issue. He being a former election candidate for the shinners, who works as a teacher.

  • Would you like to prosecute a loyal and valuable covert asset with many years service to the forces of law and order in fields of mayhem and dissidence?

  • cynic2

    Am Ghobsmacht

    I just think badgers get a bad enough press without being compared to Gerry

    🙂

  • Mick Fealty

    Lionel, I’ll take that, I should probably have framed it slightly differently…

    I’m going to do something on this later in the day, but can I also say that Mr Adams will be facing some legitimate questions in the south relating to his lack of an approach to An Garda Siochana re Liam’s work with children in Dundalk, where the SF leader had no such political problems

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    From a Belfast Telegraph article today.

    He may not be facing charges in Northern Ireland but now that they know in the south and Liam who as not estranged to him worked with children in the south. Will they now use their legislation to bring charges there.

    “The main opposition party in the Republic, Fianna Fail, has demanded the Louth TD explain why he failed to report the abuse.

    The party’s justice spokesman Niall Collins said Mr Adams’ actions were “unacceptable”.

    “The big issue that Gerry Adams must address is the fact that he knew his brother to be a child sex offender but appears to have done nothing to ensure the safety of other children at risk until he spoke to police in 2009,” he said.

    “Unfortunately, we have seen too many times in this country what happens when the reputation of organisations is put above child safety.”

    Gerry went on to state:

    “Thankfully that isn’t in the hands of the Belfast Telegraph. That’s in the hands of citizens”.

    “All of these issues were rehearsed before the election and during the election campaign. So that’s where I get my mandate from, not from the Telegraph in Belfast.”

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/the-week-sinn-fein-president-gerry-adams-credibility-was-left-in-tatters-29636643.html

  • Mick Fealty

    Spot on AU…

  • cynic2

    “So that’s where I get my mandate from, not from the Telegraph”

    And he is right. And its up to Sinn Fein voters to decide if they can bring themselves to vote for someone who would do this

    Personally I think they will support him. What’s a little child rape after all

  • paulG

    Gerry Adams could be forgiven for not believing such a story if he’d heard it second hand, given the level of subterfuge and dis-information generated by security spooks.

    He could be forgiven for not going to the RUC, given that they were at war with his organisation and had thrown out the rule book and murdered and tortured, not just his collegues, but their families and neighbours and their children.

    But there was still the option to go to the Garda and have his brother tried in the Republic, where he had been living. – If the Garda could not be trusted not to see it as a political opportunity, then the ‘war’ was still on-going in 2000, so why did his brother not face Republican justice, as so many others were subjected to?

    There is no difference between his protective silence and that of the Bishops and Cardinals, that SF have rightly pilloried.

    For whatever reasons, family, party or personal, – he made the wrong decision on a huge call and Gerry Adams will not walk away from this politically and maybe not judicially either.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    1 minute 20 seconds in. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Did Gerry Adams break the Assembly rules when he withheld information on Laim’s incestuous pedophilia.

    Adams being an MLA for west Belfast from 25 June 1998 – 7 December 2010 and by his own admission in a Belfast court he knew from 2000 of his brother Liam’s incestuous Pedophilia. In fact is there a law in the Dail were a TD can be investigated and imprisoned for withholding serious sexual pedophile criminal activity.

    Adams is no better than the priests, bishops and cardinals of the Roman Catholic church, he has criticized for doing the same thing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Kcd7QBVz8

  • cynic2

    “Gerry Adams could be forgiven for not believing such a story if he’d heard it second hand, given the level of subterfuge and dis-information generated by security spooks.”

    That si the old SF line of brave Shinners vs perfidious Brits. But the reverse is true. The British Government saw Adams as the great hope in driving the Shinner sheep into the democratic fold. They would have bent over backwards to protect him

  • Charles_Gould

    British did worry about who would replace Gerry Adams as SF leader, that clearly will be a TD now, so less to worry about.

  • paulG

    “That is the old SF line of brave Shinners vs perfidious Brits. But the reverse is true. The British Government saw Adams as the great hope in driving the Shinner sheep into the democratic fold. They would have bent over backwards to protect him”

    I would say both statements are true. One of MI5 and their security strategy and the other of MI6 and their diplomatic strategy.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Charles, when Adams goes and they replace him with someone from outside Northern Ireland, and this person is not one who got there spurs taking on the British,

    How do you think the members of the felon club will react to a non combatant telling them what to do???

  • cynic2

    ” when Adams goes ”

    What a suggestion!!! Perhaps the Maze Shrine is designed as his future resting place – an Irish Stalin’s Tomb where he can hold court for ever

  • Charles_Gould

    “How do you think the members of the felon club will react to a non combatant telling them what to do???”

    I don’t think it matters.

  • “That is the old SF line of brave Shinners vs perfidious Brits. But the reverse is true. The British Government saw Adams as the great hope in driving the Shinner sheep into the democratic fold. They would have bent over backwards to protect him”

    I would say both statements are true. One of MI5 and their security strategy and the other of MI6 and their diplomatic strategy. ….paulG 5 October 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Well, there is no doubt that has been a monumental titanic fcuk up, paulG, and an intelligence failing that needs to be resolved with a novel untainted supply?

    Do you think MI5 and/or MI6 are up to the task and up for IT? They be certainly invited to play …. but not as numpties.

  • FuturePhysicist

    there is zero evidence that he did anything until the UTV documentary very publicly forced his hand.

    There is also zero evidence he did nothing, so the “presumption of innocence” applies.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Front page from tomorrows Sunday Life…

    https://twitter.com/epl1970/status/386578986790572032

  • cynic2

    To borrow a phrase from the past “Time to Go” I think. Suzanne Breen does a measured evisceration of poor “we are all victims of this” Gerry

  • cynic2

    “There is also zero evidence he did nothing, so the “presumption of innocence” applies”

    One of things you will have to learn as your Science education proceeds is that absence of evidence is often just as relevant as evidence in proving por disproving a hypothesis.

    And when the hypothesis involves ‘doing noting’ having no evidence of him doing anything is evidence of doing nothing.

  • Mick Fealty

    Rare I wholeheartedly agree with you cynic but, yes, dead priests don’t lie…

  • latcheeco

    Mick,
    It’s hard not to be cynical about your motivation for this thread. It always seemed like your animus towards Mr. Adams went into overdrive from the time of his interview several years ago when, after something very clever you had blogged was referenced to him by the presenter/interviewer on Hearts and Minds, he dismissed you as someone he’d never heard of. It’s hard also, given the Slugger Awards and your patently contrived threads on sectarianism , not to be cynical about concern for victims.

    Anybody in their right mind can have nothing but sympathy for what that woman and her mother went through and nothing but disgust and loathing for her attacker.

    All I can say is thank God he wasn’t my brother; how could anybody have dealt with learning that, knowing what he knew about his own father, especially in the middle of trying to steer an end a horrific war that, of all the combatants, nobody else seemed serious about wanting to end realistically.

    Mick, I’m sure had you been in that position you would have had no problem balancing Aine’s tragedy with the possibility that if your internal opponents weakened you because of it, the carnage and countless tragedies across the North might go on indefinitely, and of course given how deeply involved he was with the Republican Movement you would have marched Liam straight over to Ronnie, Trevor and them in the Special Branch to turn himself in.

    It appears that, from her initial reporting of this case right up to today, there will be parties trying to manipulate her suffering to their advantage. Gerry at least didn’t do that.

    As a fan of the peace process you will of course have considered yourself what it must have been like to have been in Mr. Adams shoes as head of the Republican Movement in the middle of a war trying to sail into a headwind towards an end to even more horrific slaughter than Aine’s tragedy as devastating as it was. Add that to

  • latcheeco

    That she was his own niece and you can see perhaps why some journalists have left it alone.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    In the UTV insight program Gerry said that on two occasions he tried to facilitate meetings with Liam and Aina with Gerry and another Adams brother Paddy.

    14mis 35sec

    http://www.u.tv/utvplayer/video.aspx?vidid=153591

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    latcheeco

    Really, what odds as to Mick’s motivations?

    How could a site dedicated to NI politics NOT run with this?

    I’m sure some people on here are taking great delight in seeing GA take public beating like this especially if it damages SF.

    Perhaps Mick, Pete and others are enjoying it.
    Perhaps not.
    Unless I over hear them in the pub chatting about it I can’t really say.

    Likewise, perhaps John and Chris get kicks from putting up posts about the latest buffoonery on planet Loyalism.

    Either way it matters little as such buffoonery deserves to be highlighted and discussed.

    It is a rather unpalatable back drop to this subject matter but at least we haven’t sunk to the depths of the Newsletter’s comment pages.
    A rather low bar for comparison I’ll admit.

    GA’s position was quite tricky to say the least.

    However, his brother was allowed to work with kids again with GA’s blessing.
    That’s a rather untenable position for a political figure.

    Regardless of the RUC’s handling/mishandling how do you justify that, even IF ‘the boys’ had a quiet word in Liam’s ear?

  • latcheeco

    Gob smacked,
    “with GA’s blessing”
    Really? You just went all Newslettery

  • babyface finlayson

    latcheeco
    Of course none of us would want to be in this situation. Were it my brother I might not have been strong enough to report him to the police, who knows, but I feel sure I would have used every means in my power to stop him working with children at least. Not just mention it to someone once and leave it at that.
    Gerry had plenty of acquaintances to help him out in that,”given how deeply involved he was with the Republican Movement ” So what did he do?

  • Delphin

    “Liam Adams worked with children in Dundalk and later at Beechmount and Clonard from 1998 to 2006, again in the full knowledge of his MP brother. In allowing it to happen, Gerry Adams put hundreds of children at risk of abuse by not disclosing the matter to anyone.”
    Are you saying this is not true latcheeco ?

  • cynic2

    latcheeco

    Nice to see you again. Looking at your profile you only seem to pop up on slugger every time the blessed bearded one is under serious pressure over something he has done or (in this case) not done. Each time you then seem to attack the messenger – or at least attack Mick for having the temerity to allow such comments to be posted here. Perhaps you can explain to us why that is?

    Indeed, the more cynical of us might assume that you are a sock puppet activated every so often when Connolly House
    feels the need to expand the rebuttal operation

    Whether or not that is the case, today you take two lines

    1 if i may summarize is that Gerry’s inaction was to selflessly do nothing as it might have damaged him and therefore irreparably damaged the peace process and plunged Ireland back into a another bout of murder and destruction

    2 there will be parties trying to manipulate her suffering to their advantage. Gerry at least didn’t do that

    So far as no I goes, there is often a lot of self serving twaddle on here but i have rarely seen a piece, from a Gerry standpoint, that is so self serving in its scope and depth.

    Your argument is utter nonsense. This issue first surfaced in 1987 or so. Gerry knew then what Liam had done. He did nothing. By 2000 when Liam confessed the peace process was well under way and Gerry acting openly and properly on the allegations would have shown him more as statesmanlike than anything.

    The criticism of him in all of this this is criticism of the cover up and the pressure on the victim not to report. If that hadn’t happened there would be no blow back on Gerry

    As for your second point just read the quotes in the Sunday life today or any of the other media – take your pick – or look at Aine’s evidence in the trial. The blessed beard tried to cover up. the victims view was clear – everything he did was self serving and politically calculated and he only broke cover when it was politically essential to save his own political skin. If that ain’t ‘manipulating suffering to their advantage’ i don’t know what is

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    latcheeco (profile) 6 October 2013 at 9:56 am
    Gob smacked,
    “with GA’s blessing”
    Really? You just went all Newslettery

    Well, if my poor choice of words is all you can muster as a rebuttal then forgive me for thinking that I may have a point.

  • cynic2

    “Rare I wholeheartedly agree with you cynic”

    …… Aw MIck I am touched.

    As for “dead priests don’t lie” I am sure they also don’t lie easy in being accused of a pedophile cover up by Mr Adams. Now what, can we ask, does Fr Reid think of that one.

  • sean treacy

    nice to see Dixie advertising Suzanne Breens jottings in the Sunday Life.Suzannes objectivity with regard to Sinn Fein knows no bounds.

  • sean treacy

    Latceeco, thanks for letting us know that Gerry didn’t show Mick sufficient respect on HEARTS AND MINDS .Reminds me of the time some years ago when a breathless RTE reporter confronted Gerry with the latest intellectual mutterings of one Willie ODea,to which Gerry replied “Willie OWho?.Also just noticed Squinter on Twitter comparing Slugger and the Sindo in his usual incisive manner.

  • babyface finlayson

    sean treacy
    Attacks on the messenger only highlight the anxiety caused by the message.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    I remember the article for squiner that was truthful and less than glowing of the untouchable Gerry. After a swift phone call from connolly house the offending article was swiftly removed, and a groveling apology made to the untouchable Gerry.

    You won’t find the article on the Andy town site as it was removed.

    But thanks to Micks site we can still give you the opportunity to delight in the squinter article.

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/03/20/gerry-must-go/

  • sean treacy

    with regard to shooting the messenger,i think any objective analysis of her reporting on matters sinn fein over the years would show a slight lack of balance.As someone who read the sunday tribune for decades I could draw your attention to her anti sinn fein obsession.Indeed if I could be bothered the only shooting would be that of fish in a barrel so lacking in credibility much of her scribblings were

  • latcheeco

    Cynic2,
    I’m flattered that you were driven to look at my profile but gIven the sheer amount of man hours Mick and Pete devote to Gerry you could also equally draw that conclusion about anybody. I mean there’s always an Adams thread on Slugger isn’t there?

    To be honest I never have been a huge fan of the Home Rulers but this new unionist concern for the nationalist kids of West Belfast or Dundalk is a bit much to take given their history. You don’t give damn about them and you don’t give a damn about the victim here other than as a tool to beat Sinn Fein

  • Charles_Gould

    “You don’t give damn about them and you don’t give a damn about the victim here”

    ^^^plays the person not the ball

  • latcheeco

    Charliss,

    “plays the person not the ball” Cynic is not the only unionist- there are a few others left. (although in fairness they are all mostly old) but I can understand your concern about man playing on yet another Gerry thread

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    I wonder how long it will be before this shinner Councillor is spoken to and told to toe the party line. What is it party line on this??? As Gerry ignored the shinners rules during the knew about Liam pedophilia and did nothing.

    “A Sinn Fein councillor has called on party leader Gerry Adams to issue a statement regarding the conviction of his brother Liam for the rape and abuse of his daughter.

    North Tipperary councillor Seamus Morris, a former Irish parliament candidate, has said Adams has to respond to claims that he failed to report the abuse of his niece for nine years.

    Morris is the first Sinn Fein member to put pressure on

    He is the first known member of Sinn Fein to publicly put pressure on his leader over the issue.

    Speaking to the Tipp FM radio station, Morris was pressed about whether Gerry Adams should make a statement about his actions in the case.

    He said “Of course he should, absolutely.”

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Sinn-Fein-councillor-says-Gerry-Adams-must-comment-on-brothers-sexual-abuse-conviction-226580381.html

  • Tir Chonaill Gael

    Oh dear, that could be the end of Cllr. Morris’ political career: at least as a member of PSF.

  • Dixie Elliott

    You never fail to get a ‘sean treacy’ and their “it’s anti-Sinn Fein” whinging.

    Suzanne Breen exposed Adams time and again. She reported what Aine had to say as well as other victims.

    Therefore ‘sean treacy’ were the victims also ‘anti-Sinn Fein’ because they told their story to her?

    McGuinness often used the idiotic term ‘Dissident journalists’ in fact he used it when Scap was first outed as an informer.

    Lies put out by ‘Dissident journalists’ he claimed.

    How wrong was he ‘sean treacy’?

    And then again this time…

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2009/04/09/beware-journalists-who-dissent-from-government-or-powerful-organisations/

    The fact is all this anti-peace process, anti-Sinn Fein crap doesn’t wear anymore.

    Well outside of Adamsism it doesn’t…

  • Red Lion

    So a Sinn Fein Councillor has broken rank (sort of) ? I wonder if we will see a few more over the next few days speaking out.?

    Sometimes just takes one or two to lead then others follow.

  • Mick Fealty

    Good on Seamus! I’ve had my run ins with him on P.ie, but he’s always struck me as having a bit of gumption. He’s on much safer ground than anyone in headquarters who wants to shut him down. The unravelling begins.

  • cynic2

    You don’t give damn about them and you don’t give a damn about the victim here other than as a tool to beat Sinn Fein”

    Ah so you label me as a unionist? Why?

    I am anti-shinner and have unionist tendencies but at the same time I feel I am half Irish. I am not a Brit and abhor the nutter of the OO. Oh yes and the DUP don’t represent me (or most people I know) as we have all stopped voting for lack of anyone decent to vote for.

    At the moment I think the Union is the only solution for us. that may change in the future and I honestly believe that if teh Troubles had never happened we would be far closer to that today than we are and that that might not be a bad thing.

  • Mick Fealty

    latch,

    That’s exactly the miscalculation the party’s making, thinking that it was personal matter… and I think most of the media are colluding with that misinterpretation of what’s at play here.

    On the initial tragedy, it’s certainly true. But it is now (and has been since the story broke nearly four years ago) what happened afterwards that is going to cause the damage…

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    It seems the shinner dam may have sprang another leak.

    “In Monday’s paper: Gerry Adams told by hunger striker to resign from The Bobby Sands Trust in wake of child abuse case”.

    https://www.facebook.com/belfasttelegraph/posts/10151845869093819

  • ArdoyneUnionist
  • latcheeco

    Mick,
    “the media are colluding” I know, the medira strike again
    Cynic,
    It was clear from your posts you were unionist- I didn’t care enough to read your profile like a pretend detective and make silly assumptions

  • Mick Fealty

    I’m working on a piece that I hope will explain just why I think that Latch. Probably out next to first thing on the morrow…

  • Rory Carr

    I am not so sure, Mick that it is a question of, “Good on Séamus,” or whether indeed he was displaying much of that vaunted “gumption” in his interview.

    Let us examine the piece in Irish Central here:

    Morris is the first Sinn Fein member to put pressure on [sentence not concluded]

    He is the first known member of Sinn Fein to publicly put pressure on his leader over the issue.

    Speaking to the Tipp FM radio station, Morris was pressed about whether Gerry Adams should make a statement about his actions in the case.

    He said “Of course he should, absolutely.”

    Not really a case of a Sinn Féin councillor coming out and demanding a statement but rather one reacting to pressure from an interviewer demanding a short answer. He does not imply as you would, Mick, that Adams has a case to answer. His response rather indicates that he believes that Adams has done nothing wrong and would say so in a statement if asked.

    It is most certainly not any indication of the beginning of an “unravelling” I would suggest though I have detected a fair bit of unravelling on this thread alone thus far. I am reminded of how when the great Mexican revolutionary, Emiliano Zapata, was hunted by Carranza‘s forces, every week there was a report that his troops had “got Zapata”, but Zapata continued to thrive and the countryside remained loyal to him. When eventually he was tricked into meeting with a Carranzista general who claimed he wished to join the Zapatistas and had a haul of arms to bring with him, and Zapata was then assassinated, the people of the countryside refused to believe that Zapata was dead but instead insisted that he would return to lead them to victory.

    And so it is with Slugger. Every week we have yet another, “Adams is to be deposed” threads and then a new poll comes out indicating Sinn Féin‘s growing strength and disappointed readers of Slugger begin to fear that Adams is immortal… until the next week.

  • I think the BelTel summed it up neatly:

    “The week Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams’ credibility was left in tatters”

  • Mick Fealty

    Rory, I’m not implying it, I’m saying it out straight, he has a major case to answer for… You want to see media pressure, just watch it build…

  • Alias

    He was also the local MP who knew that a paedophile was employed to work with vulnerable children in his constituency but who did nothing to protect the children of those who most likely voted for him. That’s a political, not a personal, matter.

  • I think that G.Adams knew that this was coming which is why he fled from West Belfast to avoid a humiliating rejection at the next election.
    I feel sorry that his niece had to wait so long for justice and she was shamefully denied the full support she deserved, having been failed by so many and, in particular, her uncle.

  • Mick Fealty

    Yes Alias. Precisely. What fool thinks that’s not going to hurt?

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Sorry did not put in the link below.

    “The daughter of a now deceased IRA Belfast commander has spoken of how she was physically, mentally and sexually abused by someone who is currently a Sinn Féin elected representative.

    Both women said that Gerry Adams was aware of the details of their abuse but had failed to take action. Cahill, who didn’t want her first name printed, is a former Ógra Sinn Féin national secretary.

    Cahill (28) revealed how the IRA had brought her face-to-face in 2000 with the man who had previously raped her, saying they wanted “to read the body language” to see who was telling the truth. “I felt physically sick,” she stated. She said she was never advised to report the rapes to the police or social services.

    I wanted to go to the Rape Crisis Centre. I said I needed professional help. The IRA offered me a counsellor. I said that would be a charade because it would be an IRA-friendly counsellor.”

    http://stakeknife.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/gerry-adams-ignored-two-more-rape.html

  • Charles_Gould

    Susan McKay says there is a lot more abuse scandals that will all mount up – hopefully will be brave enough to come out while Adams is still alive.

  • Mick Fealty

    Where’s that Charles?

  • son of sam

    Mister Joe
    You have a touching belief in the voters of West Belfast(2 37am).As long as it’s a Sinn Fein donkey they’ll vote it in! I doubt if Gerry would have faced “a humiliating rejection ” at the next election.

  • FuturePhysicist

    “There is also zero evidence he did nothing, so the “presumption of innocence” applies”

    One of things you will have to learn as your Science education proceeds is that absence of evidence is often just as relevant as evidence in proving por disproving a hypothesis.

    And when the hypothesis involves ‘doing noting’ having no evidence of him doing anything is evidence of doing nothing
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    You miss my point, in a legal context, evidence alone is not a conviction, you need a trial, otherwise Gerry’s burden of proof will not be tested.