What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?

Interesting developments at the Suffolk/Lenadoon interface, where a crowd of up 100 Catholic youths was reported to have attacked the tiny Protestant enclave in west Belfast. This follows a petrol bomb attack in June on the same community.

The incident brought this from local Sinn Féin councillor Matt Garrett:

“There are people working hard at the Blacks Road/Lenadoon/Suffolk interface to make sure that residents can get on with their lives free from this type of behaviour. It is not representative of the people that live in the area and I would say a lot of those involved are from outside the area.”

Interesting comment. If people are funnelling into an area which has seen some considerable success in lowering tensions on both sides of the divide and the creation of safe a shared social and commercial space, just to have a go at this tiny Protestant community, then what’s driving it?

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  • Cackle Daily

    Yes. UPC that’s exactly what I mean. That guy trying to poke a land rover with a flagpole at the start, all those people with red, white and blue scarves attacking the police. And all the videos one can find on YouTube of protesters from the Strand dressed up as loyalists attacking the police.
    As I expected, your question was just an ill-thought out rhetorical device. You are no more interested in ‘why’ people attack other people than I am interested in Formula One. I should have known better.
    but, well done you!

  • Kevsterino

    UPC, I must have missed the part where the local GAA club was handing out the hurleys to the drunken youths. Do you have a link to that bit?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Are you saying the CNN reporter is lying when he says the Short Strand thugs started the violence?

  • Cackle Daily

    Where on earth do you get that from?
    When those young chaps came running over the Albert Bridge towards the Strand (I notice you didn’t deny this…well done again!) – why do you think they were running?
    Had they all left the iron on? An impromptu fun-run to raise money for the Legion of Mary? Or were they just eager to get stuck into the Strand?

    So – I am not calling the guy from CNN a liar. I am calling you a stirrer. Who (deliberately?) dodges simple questions in order to promote a one sided narrative where every single Protestant is an innocent victim and every Catholic (sorry, Roman Catholic or whatever bat5hit phrase you keep using) is the devil.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Kevsterino: UPC, I must have missed the part where the local GAA club was handing out the hurleys to the drunken youths. Do you have a link to that bit?

    Is that what I said?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Cackle Daily: When those young chaps came running over the Albert Bridge towards the Strand (I notice you didn’t deny this…well done again!) – why do you think they were running?
    Had they all left the iron on? An impromptu fun-run to raise money for the Legion of Mary? Or were they just eager to get stuck into the Strand?

    Are you a mind reader? How could you know what they were thinking?

  • Barnshee

    “Should the makers of bricks come out after the 12th? What about the makers of ceremonial swords? Golf balls? Here’s a novel idea – what about those who actually wielded the weapons eh?”

    Should the AFM makers of bricks etc espouse a political cause behind a smokescreen of “activity” and see their products used in a violent attack on others assisting the supported agenda along the lines of, “Use our bricks to throw at the prods” Then you analogy might hold.

    The use of the hurl simply confirms (to the prod ) the continuum —Hurl- Thug-GAA-Republican front- SF-I RA

  • Cackle Daily

    Yes, UPC, I am a mind reader. I can sometimes guess what people are going to do something based on photographs and video footage of them.
    What’s wrong with you?
    You initially asked ‘what motivates people to attack their neighbours’ (I’m paraphrasing – if this was not your original question, find it in your heart to forgive me)

    I tried to answer this with a thought experiment.

    What motivates people in Suffolk could be the same thing as the thing that motivates Loyalists in East Belfast. you seem to know the area so it’s worth thinking ‘what does motivate such attacks’

    However, the experiment was a failure as you are not interested in genuinely considering what motivates attacks like this. You just want to say (to your perceived audience, to yourself, whatever) that there is something about ‘Catholics’ that is inherently sectarian whilst attacks by Protestants are invariably of the ‘self defence’ kind.
    Fair does – experiments fail all the time. Back to the drawing board.

    (‘mind reader’?! You are a card!)

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Your argument might have been credible had you provided an example of Loyalists attacking the Short Strand (instead of an unprovoked attack by catholic thugs on protestants walking past the area).

    Try harder next time.

  • goalsboyce

    “BTW, as a kid I once tried to pour water into a balloon and it didn’t work – it needs to pressure from the tap for the balloon to expand. Unless the people of Glenbryn had invented some kind of new urine producing tap system it would have been impossible to fill a balloon with that kind of liquid.
    Go ahead, try it yourself.”

    Next time try a funnel.

  • Kevsterino

    This is where you said that: “The GAA is arming young violent thugs with deadly weapons which they are using to attack protestant families and elderly pensioners – that is fact”

    UPC, unless you don’t understand your own drivel, you said the GAA is arming violent thugs with deadly weapons, then denied you said that.

    Has your head been with you all day?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Kevsterino: This is where you said that: “The GAA is arming young violent thugs with deadly weapons which they are using to attack protestant families and elderly pensioners – that is fact”

    UPC, unless you don’t understand your own drivel, you said the GAA is arming violent thugs with deadly weapons, then denied you said that.

    Has your head been with you all day?

    You obviously have trouble reading my posts.

    I said:

    ‘The GAA is arming violent thugs with deadly weapons which they are using to attack protestant families and elderly pensioners…’

    Note there are two separate claims in that sentence.

    a, ‘The GAA is arming violent thugs with deadly weapons…’ – which is true. The GAA provide thousands of their bats to young people in Northern Ireland. These bats are deadly weapons in the wrong hands:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-beaten-to-death-with-a-hurley-for-slow-driving-26686398.html

    b, ‘…which they are using to attack protestant families and elderly pensioners…’ – again this is true. These GAA bats were used during the attempted pogrom on the tiny, vulnerable protestant enclave of Suffolk on Friday night.

    What is it you don’t seem to understand?

  • odd_number

    UPC has dragged another thread down to the drivel level again.
    Why anyone engages the troll is beyond me.

  • Kevsterino

    For your post to be true, a GAA official would have to have an open wagon in a Catholic Church car park, with a sign above him stating “Here’s a stick to beat your lovely Protestant neighbours!”

  • DC

    Thanks for posting that link UPC, interesting reading.

    The hurley stick, a new hate crime symbol?

  • DC
  • Cackle Daily

    ‘Try harder?’

    Please don’t patronize me. It insults us both

    I was not looking for footage of loyalists attacking the Short Strand. I was trying (and Lord, how I regret it now) to get you to THINK.

    You asked ‘what motivates hatred’; the very thread is asking ‘what motivates the animus against the Suffolk Protestants’.

    I noticed that your comments were taking on their usual paranoiac, anti Catholic tinge and I wanted to see if you could conceive that attacks such as the one that occured in Suffolk are neither confined to one community nor are they unique to it.

    I won’t link you to footage showing Loyalists attacking the Strand just as an earlier commenter refused to act as your own personal google just so you could learn about the Holy Cross Debacle. As we saw earlier, you cannot engage in a rational productive debate without using ad hominem attacks, spurious reasoning and gaps in logic that you could drive a double decker through. It derails the topic at hand and bores the boobs off the reader.

    The thread is what motivates secatrian attacks. Stupidity and drink probably account for a good bit but, by God, the cheerleaders on either side can’t be helping.

  • odd_number

    UPC-I wouldn’t even ignore him.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Kevsterino: For your post to be true, a GAA official would have to have an open wagon in a Catholic Church car park, with a sign above him stating “Here’s a stick to beat your lovely Protestant neighbours!”

    I’ve explained it once. If you still don’t understand there’s not much else I can do.

  • Kevsterino

    So, UPC, in answer to the original question posed in the title of the thread, your answer is Gaelic Hurling?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Cackle Daily: I noticed that your comments were taking on their usual paranoiac, anti Catholic tinge and I wanted to see if you could conceive that attacks such as the one that occured in Suffolk are neither confined to one community nor are they unique to it.

    I do find it strange that when it’s a Loyalist attack on catholic homes then obviously it’s a UVF-orchestrated conspiracy, ethnic cleansing, naked sectarianism, drug dealing, look at themmuns, blah, blah, blah.

    Yet, when it’s a Nationalist attack on protestant homes (on pretty much the same scale and with, seemingly, the same level of orchestration) it’s fobbed off as drunken kids having a bit of craic and ‘sure aren’t they both as bad as each other’.

    I don’t think the Nationalist community in Northern Ireland actually accepts there is a problem within their ranks with anti-protestant bigotry. is it going to take an innocent protestant child being beaten to death with a GAA bat before they waken up and begin to tackle it??

  • Big Island Exile

    Surely it’s God that is arming violent thugs with arms, that can hold deadly weapons. If anyone is to blame in this, it’s him. Or am I reducing this argument to absurd levels.

  • Kevsterino

    Big, it is already so reduced.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Ulster Press Centre

    LIDL have been selling hurling helmets and bats for years. That is were I got mine (great value).

    Could you tell me which GAA club gives them out for free so that I can get more.

  • carl marks

    I don’t think the Nationalist community in Northern Ireland actually accepts there is a problem within their ranks with anti-protestant bigotry. is it going to take an innocent protestant child being beaten to death with a GAA bat before they waken up and begin to tackle it??

    when will you accept that there is a problem within the ranks of the protestant community perhaps when three innoncent children are burnt to death, or someone called Billy Hunter lures two workmates to death!

  • Mc Slaggart

    carl marks its not a “GAA bat” but a hurley bat.

    Any bat can be used for different purposes than its intended sport. Did you never read the Wolf of Kabul?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    UPC

    Given that you believe that the GAA are so involved in this (at least in the background), then I ask you for your opinion on a suggestion that pops up now and again:

    Where do you stand on the idea of Unionists ‘saturating’ Antrim (and maybe Down) GAA’s?

    Are you of the school of thought that believes that:

    a/ a few years of hard slugging might bring about some changes in the local GAA?

    b/ do you believe that they are impregnable fortresses filled with Republican horrors?

    c/ the most scary idea of all, that Protestants might like it and may indeed mix well in some of the clubs?

    For once, if you would just answer the question and not squirm.

    Believe it or not, I’m interested in what you have to say on the matter

    You may leave Belfast as a different issue if need be, but there’s still Ballyclare, Ballymena, Ballymoney, Larne, Carrick (or may be not?), Antrim and Bangor to consider.

  • carl marks

    Mc Slaggart
    I was quoting UPC,
    I own a hurl and played for the Ardoyne Kickhams.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    PS

    @ UPC

    Please stop using the word ‘pogrom’.

    It wasn’t state organised (barely organised at all) and there were no Jews.

    Don’t steal their Jewish ‘thunder’

    (Ha ha! Linguistic joke there!

    Anyone get it?

    I’m here all week, try the veal…)

  • Some of you guys still don’t get it. Trolls don’t answer questions but just keep repeating the ridiculous comments and lies in order to get an emotional response. That’s what trolls do; don’t feed them.

  • märsta

    “you cannot engage in a rational productive debate without using ad hominem attacks, spurious reasoning and gaps in logic that you could drive a double decker through. It derails the topic at hand and bores the boobs off the reader.”

    – This.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Am Ghobsmacht: Given that you believe that the GAA are so involved in this (at least in the background), then I ask you for your opinion on a suggestion that pops up now and again:

    Where do you stand on the idea of Unionists ‘saturating’ Antrim (and maybe Down) GAA’s?

    Are you of the school of thought that believes that:

    a/ a few years of hard slugging might bring about some changes in the local GAA?
    b/ do you believe that they are impregnable fortresses filled with Republican horrors?
    c/ the most scary idea of all, that Protestants might like it and may indeed mix well in some of the clubs?

    For once, if you would just answer the question and not squirm.

    Believe it or not, I’m interested in what you have to say on the matter

    You may leave Belfast as a different issue if need be, but there’s still Ballyclare, Ballymena, Ballymoney, Larne, Carrick (or may be not?), Antrim and Bangor to consider.

    Why would any protestant want to get involved in a backward, divisive, sectarian organisation engaged in widespread brainwashing of naive children, the glorification of catholic fundamentalist terrorism, rarely-punished thuggish violence and industrial-scale tax fraud?

    Until the games themselves are separated from the sectarian, corrupt organisation which controls them, it’s highly unlikely many protestants will ever be lured into participating. The few that do will, more than likely, suffer the same fate as Darren Graham:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/protestant-gaa-star-hounded-out-by-vile-taunts-26308621.html

    http://www.irishabroad.com/news/irish-voice/news/Articles/Protestant-GAA-Player-to-Leave080308.aspx

  • märsta

    Surely the above posting warrants a Yellow Card for Man Playing?

  • Mc Slaggart

    UPC

    Darren Graham still played GAA after coming and complaining what other players had said to him.

    You should take yourself along to the Cuchulainn cup match to see a cross community event.

    http://ulster.gaa.ie/2013/04/cuchulainn-cup-builds-respect/

  • Mc Slaggart

    märsta this is sluggerotoole.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    märsta: Surely the above posting warrants a Yellow Card for Man Playing?

    I believe Joe has been yellow carded a number of times for harassing me but he still doesn’t seem to get the message:

    If you dislike a certain poster just ignore them.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Mc Slaggart: Darren Graham still played GAA after coming and complaining what other players had said to him.

    And what’s your point?

  • Doug
  • Am Ghobsmacht

    UPC

    You appear to be ignoring the ‘chicken-egg’ aspect of the suggestion.

    Many of the things that you highlight as unappealing to Protestants would surely struggle to survive in their current form in Antrim and possibly Down GAAs?

    So, to answer your question “why would any Protestant want to…” it is to in fact smother the aspects of the GAA that you and many Protestants find offensive.

    Surely, if the GAA is indeed instrumental in these attacks as you imply (i.e. arming) then this particular dread would hold no more clout having been subdued by an influx of thousands of people like yourself (heaven forbid, I certainly wouldn’t wish that on any organisation)?

    Your ‘why would they want to’ is a classic question dodge.

    If there was appeal in joining the GAA then there wouldn’t be a (speculative) ‘need’ to join the GAA in the first place.

    Stop squirming please.

    Grab the bulls by the horns.

    a/ There would be no change in the Antrim and Down GAAs due to a massive influx of Unionists

    b/ There would be some change in the Antrim and Down GAAs due to a massive influx of Unionists

    c/ There would be a lot of change in the Antrim and Down GAAs due to a massive influx of Unionists

    d/ Hell’s bells Margaret that would put the fear right up ‘themuns’ and who knows what would happen.

    e/ Parades would be even more awesome to watch as there would be the prospect that Cloughfern and SBYC flute bands would go at each other with hurley bats

    No squirming or I’ll kindly ask SoS to have you reprogrammed…

  • Morpheus

    UPC: “If you dislike a certain poster just ignore them.”

    Therein lies the lesson for today folks: ignore the dark, extremist, non-representative, paranoid, delusional ramblings of UPC.

    Mick wants to know why there are so few Unionist commentators/bloggers – I think it’s because, as in the real world, ordinary decent Protestants/Unionists are drowned out and embarrassed by the ramblings of those who sit on the extremes of society but feel like they can talk on behalf of all of the PUL community, just like UPC and Reverend Gibson from the OO. UPC described children going to primary school as coat-trailing through a Protestant area and Gibson, despite the OO having less than 2% of the population among their members, still feels like he can talk on behalf of the PUL community!

    If you go on any of the popular forums there is always a UPC drowning out and embarrassing the other Unionist commentators. Maybe we should just follow his advice and ignore him, see what happens.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Am Ghobsmacht,

    Why would they want to join a sectarian, divisive organisation just to try and change it’s ways?

    What exactly would they get out of it?

    Wouldn’t their time be better spent doing something they enjoy instead?

  • Morpheus

    Am Ghobsmacht

    You talk about an influx of thousands of Protestants to the GAA as some sort of Machiavellian scheme to infiltrate and force change from within. Have you ever thought that an influx of thousands of players/volunteers would be most welcome?

  • Mc Slaggart

    UPC

    ” The few that do will, more than likely, suffer the same fate as Darren Graham:”

    Their was unacceptable sledging of Darren because he was a good player not because he was a Protestant.

    Here is some other things that is said during a GAA match to players:

    “The chanting of “God Save the Queen” and malign taunting of “British Bastard”

    http://www.thescore.ie/sectarian-storm-armagh-complain-of-racist-abuse-towards-players-391260-Mar2012/

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Morpheus: If you go on any of the popular forums there is always a UPC drowning out and embarrassing the other Unionist commentators. Maybe we should just follow his advice and ignore him, see what happens.

    You’ve fallen into the trap of thinking that the ‘polite’ Unionists disagree with my analysis of the IRA, Sinn Fein, GAA, SDLP, Irish News, etc – the vast majority of them don’t.

    The problem is that most Unionists are too afraid of offending people by honestly articulating their views – that’s why you get the old ‘I’m not interested in any of that auld politics nonsense’ when something controversial comes up in conversation in a mixed crowd.

    The GAA’s thuggish sectarianism, Irish News’ anti-protestant hate agenda, IRA catholic fundamentalist terrorism and the SDLP’s defence of murderers and bigotry are distasteful to ALL Unionists. It’s only the honest ones like myself who are willing to stick their head above the parapet and take the flack that comes with it.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Mc Slaggart: Their was unacceptable sledging of Darren because he was a good player not because he was a Protestant.

    This is exactly the problem within the far-right Nationalist community in NI at present. They are simply unable to accept their is a poisonous tumour of anti-protestant sectarianism within their midst.

    Repeated taunts of ‘orange bastard’, mocking of his murdered father and attempted murder through arson attacks on his home are put down to ‘it’s only because he’s a good player’.

    Waken up ffs.

  • Mick Fealty

    UPC,

    I was on the edge of giving you a RED, since you have form. But in this case, I think others are guilty of not engaging with you directly (or choosing instead, just to ignore you).

    All,

    It’s a shame this thread has drifted so far from the original. It’s bad sign when stuff drifts from the specific to the general. (See Carl Marks important comment above).

    Lenadoon/Suffolk is a good case study in terms of official good practice. It was one of a number solid projects that have had measurably good outcomes highlighted in last year’s study on asset transfer we hosted a discussion on here on Slugger for Queens and JRF.

    One of the key indicators was the rise in the Protestant population in Suffolk and the rise in people registering to vote. It demonstrates that when investment is made in bridging the gap, stuff works. It should be noted that this is where real leadership being shown, not the much shallower politics of condemnation much lauded elsewhere.

    However, politics is where people are at. Co-operation strategies around community investment is one thing (and this case shows that Prods will stop running once people stop chasing them out), politics is quite another.

    I have no doubt that politics is the more powerful art form. But the politics we have at the moment is a continuance of the civil war model.

    As yet, I see nothing emerging from OFMdFM policy wise that provides political cover for the good work that’s being done on the ground. It seems to be happening in spite of the politics of the simmering factions of Stormont Castle.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    @ Morph

    “Am Ghobsmacht

    You talk about an influx of thousands of Protestants to the GAA as some sort of Machiavellian scheme to infiltrate and force change from within. Have you ever thought that an influx of thousands of players/volunteers would be most welcome?”

    The Machiavellian aspect is just to grab attention.

    I personally imagine that loads of volunteers would be welcome, but, to sell it to a ‘certain type’ of unionist is has to be tailored differently.

    Surely you remember the old joke: “how do you get a hundred Orangemen in telephone box?”

    “Tell them they’re not allowed in there”

    Similar sort of logic.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Sorry Mick, just saw your post.

    I’ll behave…

  • Morpheus

    Am Ghobsmacht

    I understand what you are saying but maybe an influx of those who actually want to be there would be more beneficial than trying to tease the ‘certain type’ of unionist into the GAA straight away. Over time when they see that the GAA are not monsters, do not have horns, do not hold bomb-making classes after every training sessions and do not distribute hurls as weapons (*shakes head in disbelief at that one*) and see that the kids have a great time then others will join.

    I know there are aspects of the GAA which need to change and change quickly – and for the record, I have written to GAA HQ in a vain attempt to get them to update the rule book – but the influx of Protestants is just what the doctor ordered.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Mick giving me a yellow card for writing:

    “märsta this is sluggerotoole.”

    Thanks!

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Mick,

    Take a look back through Joe’s past few hundred posts and count how many of them are simply fingerpointing and shouting ‘troll! troll!’ in my direction. The dude is obsessed.

    If I had a way of blocking his posts I would. As I don’t, surely the onus is on you to explain to him that sometimes others disagree with him and he should be prepared to accept that. If that don’t work, enforce the site’s man-playing rules a bit more vigorously with him in future. He seems to think he is untouchable on Slugger as he’s been here a good while…

  • Reader

    UPC: You’ve fallen into the trap of thinking that the ‘polite’ Unionists disagree with my analysis of the IRA, Sinn Fein, GAA, SDLP, Irish News, etc – the vast majority of them don’t.
    You don’t speak for me. Your few worthwhile digs are so utterly overwhelmed by all the rest of the stuff that I would disagree with you much more than I would agree.
    The loyalist paramilitary fanboy stuff is dragging you down too – they are dead weight.
    What are you trying to achieve? This was a topic where local contacts backed up by actual news reports should have given you the chance to highlight that sectarianism goes both ways – and where are you? You’re in a ridiculous argument about hurley sticks, based on a sloppy throwaway remark by Ruth Patterson.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    I think we’re singing from the same hymn sheet Morpheus, but please remember that my language in my post was NOT tailored for the reasonable mind.

    I’m glad to hear that there are people out there urging changes.

    Some one has to change the current “we won’t join till youse change!” vs “We won’t change unless youse join!” dead lock.

    It just baffles me how many Unionists see the GAA as the engine room of nationalism and a platform to assault Unionism yet do not nothing alter it but will gladly call on legions of pissed up hot-heads to descend on an area should something not go their way marching wise knowing fine and well the end result will be a PR blunder and no more marching.

    I’m pretty sure in most theatres of war armies strive to take down that which causes them the most damage.

    Not in planet Protestant-Ulster apparently, ironic given its history of producing top class generals…

  • Barnshee

    “Mick giving me a yellow card for writing:

    “märsta this is sluggerotoole.”

    Thanks!”

    Well –I`m still smarting from the yellow card I got for admiring TV presenter Donna Trainor and saying she was pretty.

    (Some people have no taste)

  • Davy McFaul

    The GAA is arming violent thugs with deadly weapons…’ – which is true. The GAA provide thousands of their bats to young people in Northern Ireland. These bats are deadly weapons in the wrong hands

    Breaking news:

    Butcher shops in Shankill area of Belfast to blame for UVF gang’s orgy of murder by mutilation.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Reader: You don’t speak for me.

    I didn’t say I did. I said the vast majority of Unionists will agree with my criticism of SF, the SDLP, GAA, Irish News, etc. If you want to argue that they don’t perhaps you should flesh out your argument a bit?

    The loyalist paramilitary fanboy stuff is dragging you down too – they are dead weight.

    Released government documents have shown the British government would have shipped out in the early days of The Troubles if it hadn’t been for the fear of civil war in NI. Had it not been for the existence of the UDA and UVF we would have been left defenceless at the mercy of Dublin rule – no doubt the likes of you, Basil McCrea and Alex Kane would have been on the front line as the Irish Army crossed the border :rolleyes:

    What are you trying to achieve? This was a topic where local contacts backed up by actual news reports should have given you the chance to highlight that sectarianism goes both ways – and where are you? You’re in a ridiculous argument about hurley sticks, based on a sloppy throwaway remark by Ruth Patterson.

    What’s your point here? Are you trying to say that these mob of catholic extremists were NOT armed with GAA bats as they attacked protestant families and their property? Eyewitnesses and local politicians have confirmed it is true.

  • Kevsterino

    The only instance I’ve ever seen or heard the term GAA bat is UPC’s, as he desperately attempts to link the GAA with a group of drunken yabbos bashing cars in Suffolk.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Davy McFaul: Also the video you provide from CNN; do the first twenty seconds of the video not exist and does these non existent images of loyalists rioting protesting coupled with the ‘protestor’ draped in the Union Flag AT 1.11 guldering at the PSNI ‘we’re going to the Markets ****, **** you’ give the impression of a ‘peaceful protest’?

    Are you suggesting the Short Strand youths were able to hear ‘We’re going to the Markets!’ from a mile away and, only then, decided to arm themselves with bottles in order to launch an attack?

    Are you also suggesting protestants deserve to be attacked simply for walking past the Markets or Short Strand? That’s what it sounds like.

  • Reader

    UPC: What’s your point here? Are you trying to say that these mob of catholic extremists were NOT armed with GAA bats as they attacked protestant families and their property? Eyewitnesses and local politicians have confirmed it is true.
    Some of them were armed with hurley sticks. That doesn’t mean that they were all issued with a GAA pogrom kit – but it does suggest that some of them left home with the intention of causing trouble rather than just improvised with bricks and bottles while milling about in the street. Work with references you can stand over; don’t put your faith in the semi-random words of a ‘politician’ who can’t manage precision and will prefer to do a bit of stirring instead.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Reader: Some of them were armed with hurley sticks. That doesn’t mean that they were all issued with a GAA pogrom kit – but it does suggest that some of them left home with the intention of causing trouble rather than just improvised with bricks and bottles while milling about in the street. Work with references you can stand over; don’t put your faith in the semi-random words of a ‘politician’ who can’t manage precision and will prefer to do a bit of stirring instead.

    We seem to be in agreement then.

    I did not say the GAA organised the attempted pogrom on protestant homes in Suffolk, I merely said they armed the thugs responsible by providing them with deadly weapons to take home after training/a match.

    That is factually correct.

  • Davy McFaul

    * and admit that you have no proof to substantiate such an accusation.

  • Davy McFaul

    I’m certainly satisfied

    Well, based on your ‘2+2’ theory above I’m not so could you please supply the proof which you so keenly ask of others or just admit that you have no proof to substantiate the accusation?

  • The last summer that I holidayed in N.I. , 3 years ago, there were street disturbances in east Belfast. Some of the youths were filmed wielding baseball bats. I remarked to a friend that I didn’t know that baseball was now being played there and he said “It isn’t”.
    So I’m wondering if it was The American League or The National League who “armed” them.

  • Kevsterino

    Joe, I think it must be a particular American League team, the Orioles of Baltimore. They wear orange shoes, so they are obviously crypto-loyalists. And everybody knows American meddling in Ulster’s affairs caused the whole bloody mess to begin with. ;o)

  • Billy Pilgrim

    It’s not called hurley. It’s called hurling.

    It’s not called a hurley bat. It’s called a hurling stick, or alternatively, a hurl.

    Or a camán, for the purists.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    The stick may also be referred to as a hurley, but the game itself is hurling.

    Carry on.

  • DC

    It looks as if the Loyalist Against Democracy page has been taken down again, well done Irish News for alerting your readers to a complete pile of shite.

    Kind of balances out the loss of Ulster Press Centre. What a guy!

  • Morpheus
  • DC

    Loyalists Against Damacracy shared a link.
    4 hours ago near Belfast
    No doubt Facebook’s robots will close this page shortly.

    L.A.D. will never die.

    Bookmark or subscribe to our blog page.

  • mac tire

    DC – here you go, in case you miss out:

    http://loyalistsagainstdemocracy.blogspot.co.uk/

    You can’t beat a bit of satire to expose bigotry and intolerance, no matter where it emanates from…unless off course…

  • DC

    best of luck on blogspot mac tire.