“Bellwether interface” kicking off with multiple petrol bomb attacks…

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This is the front page of the Irish News this morning. It makes the legitimate point that whilst David Cameron was telling the world Northern Ireland has changed, a four year old girls received minor burn injuries from a petrol bomb thrown into Bryson Street in the Short Strand.

The incident brought substantive comment from Belfast’s former Lord Mayor Niall O Donnghaile:

“I visited the young girl who was injured today and her family and spoke with the PSNI following the incident. As we head into the summer months it is vital that everyone with influence in east Belfast, whether political leaders, church leaders, community and youth workers or the PSNI themselves, play a positive role in defusing tensions.

“It is past time that communities across this part of east Belfast were allowed to live in peace without the fear of attack or the terrible tension than can hang over our neighbourhoods. I want to be very clear and unambiguous – no attacks on our communities should be qualified or justified, regardless where they emanate from. Leaders are meant to lead.

However reading on into the detailed story on Page 10, the Irish News carry a PSNI statement about another incident that did not previously make barely made the news [Adds: See this oddly brief report from Sunday] (nor any comment from SF), presumeably because no one wanted to send the wrong message to the world watching Northern Ireland on its best behaviour whilst the G8 bonanza was in town:

Tensions in the area are high following an incident that took place on Sunday June 16 where a petrol bomb was thrown from Short Strand into Cluan Place. A 15 year old male was subsequently arrested for arson. Police have also received reports of stones being thrown between different areas. [emphasis added]

The grandfather of the injured child told the Irish News:

“It only really happend in the summer months. It’s just ‘eejits’ and animals that’s doing it”. And of his grand daughter, “She’s really shaken up. She’s going to have to nightmares. Both the girls are always good. We tell them to stay on this side of the street because of the cars, but not they’re too scared to be outside at all.”

In the meantime the BBC reports that yet another petrol bomb has been thrown from the Short Strand into the Thistle Street area..

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  • Alias

    “You don’t accept Jim Lynagh was a top IRA commander then?”

    He found himself on the wrong side of the British state’s ‘peace-processing’ agenda, and was set-up to be killed by his own ‘commanders.’ As Adams said during Lynagh’s graveside oration “Anyone who does business with the British, the SDLP or the Freestate establishment are fools as they have all sold out on the Irish people.” Of course, while Adams was secretly busy doing with the “business with the British, the SDLP [and] the Freestate establishment” and the British state was helpfully bumping off any hardliners who could stand in his way, including the hapless Lynagh.

    Whenever it is pointed out that the leaders of the republican and loyalist murder gangs had a pact (the so-called top man’s agreement) whereby the gang leaders agreed that they were all to be untouchable it is usually pointed out by Shinners by way of flawed rebuttal that Adams was shot by loyalists.

    One of the advantages of the FRU controlling both the UDA’s and PIRA’s intelligence department (both heads were FRU agents) is that they could protect useful touts and agents in both gangs from attack by the other gang. They tend not to point out that Adams was saved by the FRU doctoring the bullets used by the UDA, with Adams being one of only two people whose life was spared by information passed on to his handlers by the head of the UDA’s intelligence department (according to the Stevens team).

    It is also usually pointed out that the head of the UDA was murdered by PIRA as revenge for breaking the top man’s agreement. He wasn’t murdered as revenge for murdering any old Catholic or PIRA gang member, who don’t count or rank, merely because his organisation took a pop at a top man. Just as interesting was that the rats in that organisation were using the rats in the other organisation to do their own dirty work for them, since just as PIRA passed on information to the security services that led to the death of Lynagh, members of the UDA passed on information to PIRA that led to the death of their own boss. All rats together. So the top men in PIRA and the top men in the loyalist gangs had nothing to fear from the other side but plenty to fear from their own side.

    The same happy and peaceful playing field for the murder gang leaders also applied to the top men in the security services and in the British army. PIRA focused on murdering ordinary members of each and left the top men alone, just as the top men in the murder gangs were left alone by the security services.

  • tacapall

    “The same happy and peaceful playing field for the murder gang leaders also applied to the top men in the security services and in the British army”

    Did Perfidious Albion not sacrifice 25 of their “Top Men” near the Mull of Kintyre, thosesame top officers who directed the murder gangs and controlled the conflict that your talking about above Alias. At the end of the day who were the puppet masters, who is ultimately responsible for the majority of deaths during the past conflict, just like Iraq, just like Libya and now just like Syria, Perfidious Albion is always the prime mover when it comes to sacrificing innocent lives in order to forward their own agenda.

  • Innuendo

    At roughly what time can we expect a fresh blog on the barrage of petrol bombs thrown into Short Strand late last night?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Innuendo:
    At roughly what time can we expect a fresh blog on the barrage of petrol bombs thrown into Short Strand late last night?

    Perhaps now Strand Walk has got a ‘touch’ Sinn Fein will call off their hoods and gluesniffers and stop them attacking young protestant families and elderly pensioners in Cluan Place, Thistle Court and Pitt Park.

    It took pipe bombs to end the Sinn Fein attacks in 2002 – hopefully last night’s ‘incident’ will act as enough of a deterrent this time around.

  • Innuendo

    Rest assured, your comments will be reported to someone with a lot more legal clout than Mick Fealty.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Factual analysis is not illegal.

  • JR

    UPC,

    Anyone who thinks the answer to one petrol bomb is two back and the answer to two is five is a moron. The hoods who throw petrol bombs over peace walls don’t care if someone on their side is targeted the following night. It is oxygen to them and their ilk. It is rarely those who throw the petrol bombs who get their house hit.

    Your positivity about someones home being petrol bombed is bordering on incitement

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Factual analysis based on past events is neither ‘positivity’ or ‘incitement’.

    A hail of pipe bombs into the Short Strand stopped Sinn Fein’s ethnic cleansing attempts in Cluan Place and Madrid Street in 2002 – that is fact.

    I would prefer no-one is on the receiving end of such missiles – but that can only happen when Sinn Fein rein in the gluesniffers and Celtic supporters who are currently attacking protestant homes in the area.

  • JR

    UPC,

    You clearly dont know what a fact is.

  • Davy McFaul

    ‘It took pipe bombs to end the Sinn Fein attacks in 2002 – hopefully last night’s ‘incident’ will act as enough of a deterrent this time around’

    Yep, I’ve heard similar comments in the wake of the Reavey & O’Dowd murders. Just ‘factual analysis’?

    The mongrel offal that make synonymous ‘factual analysis’ in the wake of violence in a veiled attempt to justify sectarianism are less than human.

  • Innuendo

    Don’t engage: let him do his explaining down at the station.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Davy McFaul: Yep, I’ve heard similar comments in the wake of the Reavey & O’Dowd murders. Just ‘factual analysis’?

    But that analysis aint true a charra.

    Co-ordinated Sinn Fein attacks on Cluan Place stopped in 2002 after a series of successful, retaliatory pipe-bombing raids on Bryson Street, Strand Walk and Clandeboye.

    Kingsmills did not stop The Troubles.

  • UserAinm

    ‘after a series of successful, retaliatory pipe-bombing raids…’, wow.

  • Davy McFaul

    ‘Kingsmills did not stop The Troubles’

    But who’s suggesting that it did ‘a chara’?

    The ‘factual analysis’ suggested that it largely put a stop to sectarian killings of Catholics in South Armagh, that it was, to paraphrase yourself, a ‘successful retaliatory’ strike.

    Spot the difference?

    Base people normally speak a similar base language.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Davy McFaul: The ‘factual analysis’ suggested that it largely put a stop to sectarian killings of Catholics in South Armagh, that it was, to paraphrase yourself, a ‘successful retaliatory’ strike.

    So no catholic/Nationalist targets were killed by the Mid-Ulster UVF after 1976??

  • Davy McFaul

    ‘So no catholic/Nationalist targets were killed by the Mid-Ulster UVF after 1976??’

    Except that not what the ‘factual analysis’ claimed UPC

    Largely put a stop to sectarian killings of Catholics in South Armagh. y’know, just like there were no attacks from the Short Strand on Cluan Place after a ‘a series of successful, retaliatory pipe-bombing raids on Bryson Street, Strand Walk and Clandeboye’ in 2002.

    It’s like looking in a mirror FFS.

    Good to see that you’re up on the history of your favourite murder gang though.

  • Submariner

    I see our resident UVF supporting troll has crawled out from under his rock to vent his sectarian spleen,it seems some can get away with saying what they like on this board without censure.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Submariner:
    I see our resident UVF supporting troll has crawled out from under his rock to vent his sectarian spleen,it seems some can get away with saying what they like on this board without censure.

    And man-playing is allowed as long as the recipient is a Loyalist…

  • Another 4 petrol bombs on a residential street, this time in the Short Strand area, I believe. Police have appealed to anyone with any information to contact them. I wonder if anyone in favour of these types of attack, occasionally posting on Slugger, might be able to assist them.

  • Neil

    Submariner:
    I see our resident UVF supporting troll has crawled out from under his rock to vent his sectarian spleen,it seems some can get away with saying what they like on this board without censure.

    And man-playing is allowed as long as the recipient is a Loyalist…

    That’s not man playing, that’s ‘factual analysis’.

  • Mick Fealty

    UPC… Has been carded several times… And has been warned the next one may go straight Black… Don’t let the facts get in your way lads…

  • Mick,

    A number of comments have been made in recent days which could possibly be construed as inciting lawbreaking. If it came to a criminal charge, I think it could go either way. I’d hate to see you dragged into it. I trust you have access to (free) legal advice. Delete this post if you think it is inappropriate.

  • Mick Fealty

    Email please! That’s precisely why I have threatened him with a black!!!

  • Ulster Press Centre

    I look forward to linking to this thread in future when Slugger’s green brigade are condoning Warrenpoint, Mountbatten, the murder of Billy Wright, etc.

    It seems Slugger is still enforcing it’s rules more strictly on it’s few Loyalist visitors than it does on the IRA-supporting mob.

    Also, factual analysis of events 10+ years ago CANNOT be incitement – unless there are guys out there roaming the streets with time machines….

  • Davy McFaul

    Ah yes, ‘factual analysis’ again.

    Maybe not so much incitement and more retrograde justification for sectarian violence?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Davy McFaul: Maybe not so much incitement and more retrograde justification for sectarian violence?

    Even if that were true – it’s not a crime, is it?

    In parts of this country it can even earn you a political career….

  • Davy McFaul

    ‘Even if that were true – it’s not a crime, is it?’

    Well actually UPC if you’re justifying sectarian violence it can be

    http://www.psni.police.uk/hate_crime_leaflets_-_sectarian1.pdf

    But thanks for that comment – it was extremely revealing.

  • Innuendo

    “Don’t let the facts get in your way lads…”

    The brass neck on ye Mick. Picking and choosing which sectarian attacks to report. Jog on.

  • Innuendo

    Two men were sentenced today for a sectarian attempted-murder attack in Antrim.

    Will we have a new blog on that, given Mick’s newfound interest in sectarian attacks in Northern Ireland?

  • Innuendo

    Ulster [sic] Press [sic] Centre [sic]

    “I look forward to linking to this thread in future when Slugger’s green brigade are condoning Warrenpoint, Mountbatten, the murder of Billy Wright, etc.

    It seems Slugger is still enforcing it’s [sic] rules more strictly on it’s [sic] few Loyalist visitors than it does on the IRA-supporting mob.”

    You’ve just admitted that you’re in the wrong here: otherwise why would you link to comments expressed here in order to expose perceived hypocrisy re. the murders of Mountbatten, King Rat et al?

  • tacapall

    Another violent attack at another interface area, even though there are cameras everywhere around the Broadway roundabout, loyalists can still come across to attack and seriously injure a young nationalist youth. The young man received 30 stitches to a wound on his face where they beat him with cudgels and found the time to jump on his head, whats the point of these cameras if no-one is keeping an eye on them. The UVF in the Sandy Row area are itching for confrontation at the Broadway interface and the PSNI seem willi8ng to allow it to happen.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Innuendo: why would you link to comments expressed here in order to expose perceived hypocrisy re. the murders of Mountbatten, King Rat et al?

    Duh, because those who rejoice in the murder of Mountbatten, Billy Wright, etc on this site are the same ones gurning here about my factual analysis of Loyalist counter-terrorist operations along the Short Strand interface in 2002….

    That’s hypocrisy a charra.

  • Innuendo

    Thanks Ulster [sic] Press [sic] Centre [sic], that’s cleared everything right up.

  • Davy McFaul

    ‘My factual analysis of Loyalist counter-terrorist operations along the Short Strand interface in 2002….’

    Wow! and there we go again.

    Even if that were true – it’s not a crime, is it?

    Loyalist counter-terrorist operations

    The hole just gets deeper and deeper.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Davy McFaul: The hole just gets deeper and deeper.

    Which hole?

    You don’t agree my community has the right to defend itself from religiously-motivated, murderous terrorism carried out by IRA drug dealers and Celtic jersey-clad gluesniffers living in Short Strand?

    I do.

  • Submariner

    UPC the UVF who you support are no different than the IRA they are all terrorist scum .The UVF spent forty years specialising in murdering innocent unarmed civilians and they are also up to their necks in drug dealing and criminality . They are lowlife scum who poison the Protestant youth with drugs and help instill hatred

  • Davy McFaul

    Which hole?

    The one where your ‘factual analysis’ retrospectively justifies a sectarian murder bid by branding it ‘ a series of successful, retaliatory pipe-bombing raids’

    Then where you suggest that justification for sectarian violence is okay by claiming “It’s not a crime, is it?”

    And finally where you brand sectarian murder bids as ‘Loyalist counter-terrorist operations’

    That hole UPC, that hole.

  • Morpheus

    UPC

    When defending your community how many of these petrol bombs that you advocate will land on the houses of the actual “Celtic jersey-clad gluesniffers” and how many will terrorize innocent families? Or is it a case of any Catholic house will do?

    Conversely, when the “Celtic jersey-clad gluesniffers ” are defending their community from the “Rangers jersey-clad gluesniffers” by lobbing petrol bombs how many homes of “Rangers jersey-clad gluesniffers” do you think will be hit? How many innocent families will be terrorized?

    How you aren’t reported to the police never mind carded on here is beyond me.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Morpheus: How you aren’t reported to the police never mind carded on here is beyond me.

    Giving factual analysis of events OVER TEN YEARS AGO is not a crime.

    Geddit???

  • Davy McFaul

    And there’s that ‘factual analysis’ again.

    ‘A series of successful, retaliatory pipe-bombing raids’

    ‘Loyalist counter-terrorist operations’

    Factual, mind you.

  • Submariner

    How you aren’t reported to the police never mind carded on here is beyond me

    Indeed morphed it seems Mocks card policy is as selective as his choice of which sectarian attacks he comments on.

  • Submariner

    Sorry for the bloody auto correct above

  • Delphin

    Can I ask the UPC what is wrong with killing Billy Wright? Surely the Republican community had the right to defend themselves from the LVF?
    I should point out I am not condoning this killing, just trying to follow the logic here.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Delphin: Can I ask the UPC what is wrong with killing Billy Wright? Surely the Republican community had the right to defend themselves from the LVF?
    I should point out I am not condoning this killing, just trying to follow the logic here.

    I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of those who justify the murder of Billy Wright – yet think I should be arrested for accurately pointing out that a sustained pipe-bombing campaign across the Short Strand interface brought a halt to Sinn Fein’s attempted pogrom in Cluan Place in 2002.

    As for Billy, he was a soldier – I don’t think he would have any complaints about being targeted by catholic fundamentalist terrorists (even if it was in tandem with the British security services). He took out enough of them in North Armagh and East Tyrone during his career in Loyalist counter-terrorism to put himself at the top of their list.

  • tacapall

    Billy was a soldier ffs, Billy Wright was a British agent who outlived his usefulness,I suppose he did expect to be targeted by republicans but I would guess he never expected his handlers would set him up, he was seen as a threat to the peace process just like those 25 security force personnel who were sacrificed at the mull of kintyre, just like Brian Robinson was sacrificed by the leadership of the UVF on the Crumlin road.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Tinfoil hat time….

  • Submariner

    Billy Wright was not a soldier he was a terrorist scumbag. There is no such thing as counter terrorists they are all terrorists. Soldier my arse. Loyalists specialised in killing innocent unarmed civilians for no other reason than they were catholic, They were cowards who would have shit themselves if they encountered anyone with a gun able to fight back.Billy Wright was a low life criminal scumbag who liked to kill defenceless teenage shop workers, that is the type of people you support and it speaks volumes about you.

  • I thought that we all agreed a few months back that the best way to deal with a troll is to ignore him. Trolls can’t survive unless they are successful in getting a response.

  • tacapall

    Come on UPC your being evasive, did Billy Wrights father not believe his son was set up, did you not yourself in the post above claim he was executed by republicans in tandem with the British, was it a coincidence the SAS just happened to be on the Crumlin road when Brian Robinson was executed, were the pilots of the chinook helicopter not blamed then exonerated after 17 years. Is the UVF leadership not all British intelligence agents who would sacrifice your life in a second if their masters decided you were a threat to their agenda.

  • Morpheus

    UPC

    When defending your community how many of these petrol/pipe bombs that you advocate will land on the houses of the actual “Celtic jersey-clad gluesniffers” and how many will simply terrorize innocent families? Or is it a case of any Catholic house will do?

    Conversely, when the “Celtic jersey-clad gluesniffers ” are defending their community from the “Rangers jersey-clad gluesniffers” by lobbing petrol/pipe bombs how many homes of “Rangers jersey-clad gluesniffers” do you think will be hit? How many innocent families will be terrorized?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Stay off the IRA-supplied cannabis a chara. It’s making you paranoid.

  • SK

    Stop feeding the troll.

  • tacapall

    By the way UPC did Billy not soil himself in the back of that prison van while he was struggling with his executioner, did his two comrades who were with him not stick their heads between their legs and do nothing while Billy Wright and Crip McWilliams fought each other, soldiers, ffs give us a break.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    It’s rather strange that your version of events has never been mentioned before….

    http://youtu.be/iJfBJ6GOIuw

  • Kevsterino

    It seems the season for misunderstanding history and traditional displays of hatred are upon us again.

    Culture….right on.

    I’m happy to be an uncultured man.

  • DC

    Don’t be biting ulster press centre, that’s what they want!

  • Submariner

    DC are you a supporter of Loyalist terrorists too? i was wondering who was commending UPCs posts.

  • DC

    think again submariner, think again.

  • Delphin

    At least with the UPC you get the actuality of militant street politics in N. Ireland, in all its hatred and violence. As pointed out by by An Sionnach Fionn, Unionist marketing is piss poor whilst the Irish Republican brand is marching from strength to strength. The An Sionnach Fionn site is a wonder to behold, with paid advertising for expensive sports cars featuring young guys throwing Frisbee while doing doughnuts – how radical is that!
    But are Ballyduff and Ballymurphy that much different?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23093980
    PS I do agree with An Sionnach Fionn’s take on Bono.