Obama’s Speech in Belfast…

Obama’s just arriving at the Waterfront Hall… I’ll try and note the main highlights of the speech here (when he gets to the podium)…

And US people, this is Belfast HUMOUR…

Delays now up to fifteen minutes…

“Oh Feck, I’ve been Adamsed…” The Finance Minister succumbs to the wiley moves of President of Sinn Fein…

Well, it’s a fair point…

The best part of the speech was written by someone else…

Brief (very) thoughts from on Fox Five, San Diego earlier this afternoon…

Later…

And Fermanagh (cool publicity shot)…

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  • cynic2

    The Oval? Best thing we could do is knock it down and build an extension for the airport

  • socaire

    Good on him! He wasn’t afraid to deal with Guantanamo, rendition, drones and collateral damage. Bravo!

  • cynic2

    We could lease it to the US as Gitmo2. If they don’t crack after the horror and despair of watching 4 Glen’s matches nothing will break them.

  • iluvni

    Was that the same man who was inspiring millions with his soaring rhetoric 5 or 6 years ago?
    God, he’s dull now.

  • sectarianheadcount

    Good, serious and thoughtful speech, although the obvious question is, if the divisions between the two traditions are so slight they can readily be re-integrated, why do they need a territorial border to divide them? The ultimate monument to segregation may be much less visible these days, but it’s far more important than any local peace wall….

  • cynic2

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/17/boffins_find_evidence_atlantic_ocean_has_started_closing/

    Never mind. here is scientific proof that Britain and Ireland’s shared future is in North America not Europe. We will soon all be part of America anyway …………

    …..with ‘soon’ being as in geological terms and ‘part of’ meaning ‘under’.

    Sort makes the Global Warming myth look peachy dunnit.

  • Greenflag

    Global warming is not a myth . I would’nt bet on humanity being around in another 1,000 years never mind 20 million or 200 million . The average life expectancy for ‘species ‘is 4 to 5 million years and the ‘primates ‘have ‘ had their day with most now facing extinction . Homo Sapiens the ‘last ‘primate has the capacity to expedite nature’s 99% extinction rate to date by doing the job himself/herself .

  • cynic2

    “Global warming is not a myth”

    Sorry to disillusion you but there is zero evidence to support the outlandish claims for it. Temperatures do fluctuate naturally. they will go up and down but all the hysteria is just that – hysteria

    Your point on species extinction rates is valid only in that when that happens is often because a new species evolves that fills the gap left. So far we are that species and there is no sign of a competitor (except some microbes or robots) in the near future

  • SethS

    Most serious climate scientists accept global warming is happening. It’s pretty indisputable. What is at issue is whether humans have anything to do with it.

  • SethS

    Back on topic is there anything more nauseating that our local politicians lining up to kiss the arse of the rich and famous. They really have no shame.

  • Mick, Shameless manplaying but where in Gods name did you get that Gmac accent from?

  • Mick Fealty

    BD,

    Eh? x2

  • carl marks

    cynic2
    Sort makes the Global Warming myth look peachy dunnit

    so all those scientists are wrong and you are right.
    not likely is it!

  • pauluk

    iluvni,
    hey, give the man a break, do you not know what it’s like coming in from a flight from the US? I usually feel sick and just want to go to bed.
    I thought he hit the nail on the head when he said that segregated Catholic education is a big part of the problem here.

  • Greenflag,

    The collapse of the human species will be sooner that that, likely 500 years. My son believes that too which is why he refuses to present me and the missus with a grandson or granddaughter.

  • pauluk

    Greenflag: Global warming is not a myth .

    Not quite yet a myth (in the minds of slow learners), but definitely not a fact, if the past 15 years are anything to go by. (New York Times)

  • Mick Fealty

    Paul,

    He might have done, IF he had said any such thing… As it is he endorsed John O’Dowd’s hastily scrambled plan for keeping separate schools but bunching them together on single sites…

  • iluvni

    Pauluk,
    Right enough, I’m sure the legroom is a nightmare on that wee plane of his.
    I wonder what the reaction of the Roman Catholic Church will be to the President pinpointing the problems with separate schools. Pretend he didnt say it, just as Sinn Fein and SDLP will continue to pretend that this country isn’t called Northern Ireland.

  • BluesJazz

    I thought he rammed home the integrated education message several times, and the visit to the Enniskillen school affirmed it. Separate schools on one campus is apartheid plain and simple. No different to sitting apart (by law) on the school bus.
    It was the main focus of his speech which, apart from , was just the usual let’s be nice to each other drivel. “What’s the craic?” especially cringeworthy.
    He hit the Catholic schools with a big sideswipe and praised BMC for its cross community ethos.
    Obviously the speech was written by a committee, and went through several drafts, but it chimed very well with Cameron’s viewpoint.

  • antamadan

    Hi BluesJazz’
    I thought Obama was very clear on wanting real integrated schooling and would not agree with your that ‘he hit the Catholic schools with a big sidessipe’ etc.
    He spoke equally against predominantly cathlolic and protestant schools. This was very different than an extreme unionist talking about state schools (pictures of QofE and prime minister Cameron) as the norm, and the aberrant catholic schools causing all the problems.
    Long-story-short, he was talking to you too man,

  • Canny See It Sur

    I reckon that the speech was a bit wishy-washy for want of a better term. He didn’t really say anything at all of any importance.

    The only thing I can take away from it is that he’s all for integrated education which is fair enough if that’s your bag.

    I enjoyed some of the posts above which attempt to castigate the Catholic schools in the north as if they are the reason for all the trouble this past century.

    “Who’s to blame for the troubles?”

    “Are you stupid? It is clearly the fault of the best education system in the UK and Ireland”

  • Greenflag

    @ Cynic sorry to disillusion you but there is zero evidence to support the outlandish claims for it. .

    Polar Ice caps melting , Greenlanders growing potatoes , CO2 levels have been on the rise for a century not to mention ozone depletion.

    I guess the scientists are all wrong then ?

    ‘Your point on species extinction rates is valid only in that when that happens is often because a new species evolves that fills the gap left. ‘

    The gap between the last period when one species ‘dominated the planet i.e the dinosaurs and the present period with man as the dominant species is give or take a 100,000 years about 65 million years .

    ‘So far we are that species and there is no sign of a competitor (except some microbes or robots) in the near future’

    There was no sign of any competitor when the game ended for the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago .And where it not for fortuitous tectonic plate movements and ensuing climate change humanity would not have evolved . Recent discoveries by biologists and paleontologists tell us that in fact humanity came very close to extinction about 75 ,000 years ago resulting from volcanic eruptions .

    Don’t worry the Earth can do very nicely without humanity .We were not destined to be . Unlike the dinosaurs man is quite capable of self extinction and may not even have to wait for climate change to do the job.

    Anyway seriously off topic here .

  • Greenflag

    @mister joe ,

    Sorry to hear that Joe . Your son could have a point were he living in Mumbai or Calcutta or Shanghai or London but Canada ?
    The country’s virtually empty . Tell him to get a move on or you’ll disinherit him ;)? and /or leave everything to the RSPCA or it’s Canadian equivalent .

  • Canny See It Sur

    Climate change is happening but global warming pretty much stopped in 1998/99. The whole climate change who-haa is simply a money spinner for governments to raise revenues through taxing something everyone uses ie – energy/fuel.

    CO2 levels HAVE indeed been on the rise for the last century but thats not to say CO2 is the cause of climate change. CO2 levels account for 0.004% of the earth’s atmosphere. Hardly enough to affect major changes in earth’s climate.

    The Climate is a massive cycle which humans can affect but we’re not the ones causing any massive changes to it.

    Tell me about CO2 levels 100,000 years ago, 1,000,000 years ago, 10,000,000 years ago and even further back… were they higher or lower than they are now?

  • Canny See It Sur

    That should read 0.04%……… still pretty insignificant.

  • Delphin

    Climate change due to an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuel is as close to scientific fact as the theories used to design the device you are using to read slugger.
    Historical co2 on this link
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere
    There is no logic is saying just because it is small -400 ppm- it is not significant

  • Canny See It Sur

    Theres no logic to simply say that it is or must be significant either. CO2 levels in the atmosphere have increased in the last 10 years with absolutely zero impact on average global temperatures.

    There are plenty of scientists changing their minds about man-made climate change now. Even their models have been shown to be massively flawed – even when the data hasn’t been faked.

    Again….
    Tell me about CO2 levels 100,000 years ago, 1,000,000 years ago, 10,000,000 years ago and even further back… were they higher or lower than they are now?

  • pauluk

    Pauluk: I thought he hit the nail on the head when he said that segregated Catholic education is a big part of the problem here.

    Mick: Paul, He might have done, IF he had said any such thing…

    Scottish Catholic Observer: President Barack Obama repeated the oft disproved claim that Catholic education increases division …

  • Greenflag

    Tell me about CO2 levels 100,000 years ago, 1,000,000 years ago, 10,000,000 years ago and even further back… were they higher or lower than they are now?

    Here’s NASA on the subject

    http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence.

    The chart only goes back 400,000 years which was pre homo sapiens . We know that oxygen levels were at one time almost 30% but that was much earlier when fauna and biota grew to enormous sizes . Note the comment that

    They(ice cores ) also show that in the past, large changes in climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of years, not in millions or even thousands..

    I think I’ll trust NASA over Fox News or the Sun newspaper.

  • Delphin

    Data on CO2 levels going back 500million years are on the links above.
    The Royal Society, the Royal Society of Chemistry, the Royal Geographical Society, the oil companies, NASA etc etc all think that the made made increase in CO2 will cause climate change.
    The basis of this is that the increased CO2 levels cause an significantly increased amount of energy from the sun to be absorbed by the earth. What is in doubt is how this increased energy will manifest its self, as for example by increased temperatures or more extreme weather.
    I’m sure the scepticism expressed by the likes of Sammy Wilson, Jeremy Clarkson, the Murdock media and others has shaken the world of atmospheric physics to its core