Wither Robinson’s catholic outreach as DUP Leader stands with UVF Famine Song band

In what has clearly been a well choreographed move, unionist politicians, Loyal Orders’ representatives and loyalist flute bands have united to condemn the Parades Commission on the day loyalist bands decided to openly breach the Parades Commission determination regarding a controversial loyalist parade past St Patrick’s Church on Donegall Street in Belfast.

The decision of Peter Robinson to sign the letter- published in the Irish News (p6) today- is noteworthy given that the DUP Leader is on record as claiming to want to spread unionism’s message beyond the confines of the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist community.

Quite how Peter expects to so do whilst taking such a public stand in favour of the sectarian bigots in the Young Conway Volunteers Flute Band who were captured playing The Famine Song outside of St Patrick’s Church (before loyalists attacked the cameraman) is perhaps something that someone in the media might get around to asking the First Minister.

Given that the YCV band was banned from taking this route, can we now expect a series of arrests and charges?

 

  • carl marks

    Fergie Pie
    What’s your problem with ‘The Sash’?

    quite simple when played by a group of bigots it is a secterian song,

    When I was a young boy (you know the time when unionists claim that Catholics enjoyed the 12th) I would hear
    OO bands Knocked it out as loud as possible followed the shouts of FTP and Fuck the virgin Mary (always wondered how a group that claimed to be Christian could so causally and with so much hatred insult the mother of their god) but you go ahead and try to make believe that it’s just a tune, your fooling nobody but yourself.

  • carl marks

    The Lodger
    You really couldn’t make this shit up.

    You seem to be making it up as you go along very nicely, So do you oppose offensive parades or not, it what you claim about the CR movement was true then surely a civilised person would say “HEY IT WAS WRONG WHEN IT WAS DONE TO ME AND I WONT DO IT TO ANYONE ELSE” but then again to expect civilised behaviour from the OO or its apologists is a step to far.

  • The Lodger

    carl marks,

    But republicans argued that it was right for them to march through unionist areas. What changed their minds about the right to march after the IRA ceasefire?

    I will explore that with you a bit more tomorrow if I’m still around.

  • carl marks

    carl marks,

    But republicans argued that it was right for them to march through unionist areas. What changed their minds about the right to march after the IRA ceasefire?

    I will explore that with you a bit more tomorrow if I’m still around.

    in the meantime produce some facts, then i might take you seriously in the meantime dont forget to check the wardrobe and under the bed for taigs.

  • Fergie Pie

    carl marks (profile)
    27 August 2012 at 11:37 pm

    What’s your problem with ‘The Sash’?

    quite simple when played by a group of bigots it is a secterian song,

    – – – – – – – – – –

    So…. ‘Always look on the bright side of life’ is also sectarian?

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/2683

    Glad we cleared that up……..

  • In the end, Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales will continue to be secure in their own right, but thanks to the Good Friday Agreement, ‘your wee country’ will only exist until further notice. Churchill hit the nail on the head. It’s a sectarian colony which will eventually be, to paraphrase, John Cleese put it, ‘a former entity that has gone to meet it’s maker. Norn Iron, You are the weakest link, goodbye.

  • Fergie Pie

    One hundred years old and more secure than ever a chara.

  • check your maths, ninety years old, and as for ‘more secure than ever/ you tell yourself that if it gives you any comfort.

  • andnowwhat

    Paul Givan is onnthebradio now. Apparently, they are callings for the OO to be given the freedom of Lisburn “city”

  • The Lodger

    Comrade Stalin,

    I suggest that you read “Belfast and Derry in Revolt: A New History of the Start of the Troubles” by Simon Prince and Geoffery Warner.

    It sets out in some detail how the so called civil rights leaders deliberately chose routes which led them through unionist areas in order to provoke trouble.

    They thought that they were going to provoke a class war you see as they were emulating the thugs and morons in Paris. Instead they provoked a sectarian war that lasted for forty years.

  • carl marks

    Fergie Pie
    Glad we cleared that up…

    As usual no actual connection to reality, Next thing we know you will be pushing the “its only old men going to church line”
    tell me whats your line on the tooth fairy see her often.

  • carl marks

    The Lodger
    I suggest that you read “Belfast and Derry in Revolt: A New History of the Start of the Troubles” by Simon Prince and Geoffery Warner.

    “It sets out in some detail how the so called civil rights leaders deliberately chose routes which led them through unionist areas in order to provoke trouble.

    They thought that they were going to provoke a class war you see as they were emulating the thugs and morons in Paris. Instead they provoked a sectarian war that lasted for forty years.”

    Or we could read the dozens of books written by respected
    academics who disagree with them, but enough of this perhaps you could explain why people who claim to be law abiding loyal citizens of Britain conspire to break the law, without any mopery please. I get the feeling that you are avoiding this, and what are you going to do next year when your action gets it reaction, BY the why it’s a bit childish to try to bring the civil rights into it, you really will have to face up to the fact that things have changed and like adults take responsibility for your own actions,

  • The Lodger

    carl marks,

    I can’t speak for the people who broke the law, but I strongly suspect that having witnessed republicans consistently ignoring PC rulings without any censure they decided to do so themselves. It was a fairly minor breach of the law which has been blwon out of all proportion by republicans. They have now invented another flashpoint, but one which will be extremely difficult to maintain for any length of time given its location. The PC will have another chance to decide if they want to escalate things further within a month or so I believe.

  • The Lodger

    carl marks,

    The book I referenced would be by fairly well respected academics btw. Try reading it.

  • carl marks

    The Lodger
    They have now invented another flashpoint, but one which will be extremely difficult to maintain for any length of time given its location.
    Cunning Swine those republicans imagine forming a loyalist band and acting like sectarian bigots outside a catholic church then making the RBP organise mass lawbreaking, hell they even got the first minister and the leader of the shankill UVF involved,
    “I can’t speak for the people who broke the law.”
    Strange how you can tell us exactly what republicans are up to but don’t even understand what members of your own community are thinking weird that!
    It would seem that you are unable to get beyond schoolboy mopery, its still “the big boys made me do it, the old cry of unionists, Do you honestly think that the sort of bullyboy tactics employed last weekend done you any good, but of course I forget nothing happened it was all made up by the media/Jesuit/ republican/left wing (did I leave anyone out aliens maybe) united front so not the bandsmen fault at all. ;-0

  • carl marks

    The Lodger (profile)
    28 August 2012 at 9:46 pm

    carl marks,

    The book I referenced would be by fairly well respected academics btw. Try reading it.
    I will unlike you im willing to look at other points of view,

  • The Lodger

    carl marks,

    I have no idea what point you were making in your rant above, but please do get back to me when you have read that book. It debunks quite a few myths not least the so called ‘defence of St Matthews’.

  • carl marks

    The Lodger (profile)
    28 August 2012 at 10:22 pm

    carl marks,

    I have no idea what point you were making in your rant above, but please do get back to me when you have read that book. It debunks quite a few myths not least the so called ‘defence of St Matthews’.

    Yes let’s not talk about last weekend it obviously makes you uncomfortable, my “rant” as you call it was in response to this beautiful piece of nonsense,
    “They have now invented another flashpoint, but one which will be extremely difficult to maintain for any length of time given its location.”
    Perhaps you could explain how exactly “they” managed to invent the whole thing, maybe I’m wrong did the band not do their little dance, did the RPB not organise mass lawbreaking, was the first minister and the leader of the shankill UVF not involved, how exactly did those nasty fenians invent the whole thing?
    Please don’t try to change the issue it’s not working you just look like your trying to avoid facing up to the fact that the behaviour of your community was disgraceful We can talk books some other time let’s get back to the point of this thread.

  • carl marks

    Doesn’t look like I’m going to get a answer, I look forward to next year when mopery and gurning go into overdrive when no bands at all are allowed to pass St Pats, I willing to bet we get more of the same, denial, attempting to blame others, and wild accusations blaming themmuns for everything, maybe a attempt to divert attention from the issue by making up history, I suppose the moral is intelligent people learn from history, fools repeat it.

  • lamhdearg2

    next year?
    The Orange Order has confirmed that Parliament Buildings will provide the symbolic backdrop for a major parade by members of the loyal institutions in Belfast on September 29.In what is expected to be one of the largest parades held in the Province in recent times, the route of the march is likely to pass through the city centre en route to Stormont.

    loyal orders to parades com, Go on make my day.

  • carl marks

    lamhdearg2
    loyal orders to parades com, Go on make my day.

    So nothing learnt from Dumcree, Ardoyne, or Rasharkin then. Should we be booking Hols to coincide with this event, what can we expect if the kiddies don’t get their way, tantrums and blaming themmuns? After all if history is anything to go by the” loyal orders” have proved that the only laws they obey are the laws they like and their loyalty is dependent on the government doing what they want.

  • lamhdearg2

    Carl,
    whats been learnt, is in the case of the use of parades (to stir the pot) by dissys and their chums, is two fold, you dont need to comply with parades com rulings if you wave a big enough stick.
    and
    the orders can never give enough to placate the dissys and their chums, so to give an inch is to lose a mile.

  • So that’s the game. Raising the ante around St Pat’s to get extra leverage when negotiating the routes for the big one next month. Playing politics doesn’t cover it,not when one realises that people have died in the past when politicians don’t disown their hardliners and implicitly encourage them.