#GiantsCauseway: Fenians lose out to Bible.


According to UTV, the Giant’s Causeway Visitor Centre now includes exhibits that acknowlegde the young-earth Creationist view of how the world-famous stones are formed. Pete has detailed the backstory to this before and others have picked up the creationist lobbying trail around the Ulster Museum.

UTV report that

The National Trust said it wanted to “reflect and respect” the fact that some people contest the views of mainstream science.

With that, the National Trust have now neatly denigrated and rejected centuries of scientific research outputs as ‘views’ that need to be balanced by religious views. Culturally and intellectually we have now regressed to the eighteenth century* (or progressed from the seventeenth century*), hopefully we aren’t getting the full package. I can only assume, and fear, that the Ulster Museum will be next.

Obviously Finn McCool is the one who is really losing out here as his part in the construction of the Giant’s Causeway is being reduced to myth, rather than respected as a ‘view’ held by decent people. For those unfamiliar with the real Finn, he is best captured in Flann O’Brien’s At-Swim-Two-Birds:

Finn MacCool was a legendary hero of old Ireland. Though not mentally robust, he was a man of superb physique and development. Each of his thighs was as thick as a horse’s belly, narrowing to a calf as thick as the belly of a foal. Three fifties of fosterlings could engage with handball against the wideness of his backside, which was large enough to halt the march of men through a mountain-pass.

How could anyone credibly believe such a man didn’t build the Giant’s Causeway?


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  • ayeYerMa

    I can’t really see what the fuss is over this. We already have the factual geological story being told, along with two nonsense stories for the tourists. So what?

  • aym,

    Because only one of the nonsense stories is being portrayed as a nonsense story.

  • andnowwhat

    We only id anything to do with the OT in the very early days of primary school and they mostly in story form. Things like, how Charlton Heston brought the 10 commandments down and how Victor Mature was able to ruin temples using the power of God and his long hair.

  • Jack2

    U.TV have had to remove a poll due to heavy spamming.
    The only link that I can see would link to it as a Christian fundamentalist facebook group.
    They are also now heavily spamming U.TV comments section with large numbers of pro comments popping up since the link was spread.

    Not only will they tell us what to believe in, they will also attempt to remove our choice to even have a reasonable say on the matters.
    These idiots are the rabid dogs that DR has mentioned in previous posts.

  • andnowwhat


    That’s the thing about them, they are very, very aggressive and well organised. Probably explains, in part, why they think a third of the population are young earthers.

    They seek to hold “the truth” for themselves and a major tactic or their’s is to hi-hack the term “christian” which is odd as it is very rarely the teachings of Christ that interests them but the comic book crap in the OT and the latter books.

  • headtheball

    Mister_Joe, Reader, ANW

    Obliged for, and amused by, your comments.

    Neil – Thank you for a very helpful link in response to my (serious) question.

  • lamhdearg2

    “Not only will they tell us what to believe in, they will also attempt to remove our choice to even have a reasonable say on the matters.”

    thats just what I was thinking, about all those calling for the creationist view to be removed.

  • ld2,

    Except young earth creationism is not reasonable. It has been proven wrong time and time again. But like Monty Python’s black knight, they refuse to admit defeat in the face of overwhelming evidence. Jut because they crave attention doesn’t mean we should give it to them.

  • SK

    Jim Wells in the Newsletter today:

    “There is a perfectly legitimate point of view, which I hold, that life is so complicated that it simply could not have come together by pure chance … I believe that is a legitimate point of view, it is held by millions, and it has a right to be heard, along with the view that we all originated through microscopic cells which evolved into monkeys and so on.”


    Ironically, the existence of Jim Wells is perhaps the most compelling argument against evolution.

  • SK

    Northern Ireland. Intent upon maintaining its status as the most backwards shithole in Western Europe.

  • HeinzGuderian

    “The only debate is between people who think everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and people who think everyone is entitled to his own facts.”
    Andrew Gallagher

    Classic stuff Andrew.

    That anyone with half a remaining braincell could even try and defend this nonsense,is the really sad part.
    Of course Plato,Socrates,Homer et al,never pondered the meaning of life,of existence,of ‘being alive’….no,unfortunately we had to wait until ‘christian’ ‘scientists’ and ‘christian’ schools came along……so how very dare we question the young earth nut jobs…

    These absurd beliefs,from (whatever particular brand of Invisible Sky Daddy cheerleaders),must be challenged,ridiculed,and shown up for the nonsense they are.
    Organised religion thrives on backwardness and unquestioning faith……….(all here know how that pans out)……..the enemy of reason itself.

    Be it Jim Wells and young earthers,or popes,priests,nuns and bead rattling,statue worshipping *themmuns*…….the adsurdity of the beliefs is equal.

    Here endeth todays lesson. 😉

  • Mac
  • lamhdearg2

    One wonders what Darwin would have made of the modern day fascist evolutionists.
    as i have not evolved into someone who can do links, type this into your search box thingey to get an argument.

    Five Questions Evolutionists Would Rather Dodge

  • Mac

    “Five Questions Evolutionists Would Rather Dodge”

    Dembski believes the designer may not be god, it could as easily be aliens.
    To the best of my knowledge he hasn’t expressed a preference for greys or xenomorphs.

  • Jack2

    Ld2 love your use of the word fascist in this debate.
    Fom wikipedia:
    “To achieve its goals, the fascist state purges forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration”
    What a match with the anti abortion homophobic fundamentalist leaders of the Caleb foundation.
    “Fascism opposes multiple ideologies…” – faith or science in this case.

    The fascist definition fits the Caleb foundation better than the evidence based followers.

  • andnowwhat

    Can I just say as someone who practices one of the many franchises of christianity, but not one that gives any weight to creationism or anything in the Old Testament, could fundamentalists please desist from hijacking the term “christian”?

  • lamhdearg2

    Hey I can do links, how did that happen, act of God?, or by chance.

    chancers, a new name for big bang believers.

  • andnowwhat

    “Big bang believers” base what they believe on more than 2 millenia of questioning and investigation by a myriad of cultures. hey do so without a sense of certainty, unlike fundamentalists, based on how understanding has to constantly adapt to new found facts. It’s a journey that may never end but it is a journey founded on the greatest blessing that human kind has, intelligence.