Brittish. No Foreigners.

Brittish. No Foreigners.

A Loyalist Christmastime window greeting. Complete with anti-immigration message on Union flag.

I’m a new Instagram addict. And I’ve joined Flickr group 365 Instragr.am. I’ll spare you the otherwise mundane close-up foodie shots of various eateries, etc. But the ones with a Slugger theme will get some air time here. If that’s alright.

[Editor: What’s with inability to insert photos by Flickr URL?]

  • JR

    Santa won’t be stoping here, he is from the North Pole.

  • JR,

    Only if you’re an American. Round these parts he lives in Lapland. Where do you think he gets the reindeer from? 😉

  • galloglaigh

    AG

    The reindeer come from Mother Nature. I wonder is she a foreigner?

  • lover not a fighter

    If you never had any immigrants/emmigrants in your ancestry you might have some strong views on immigrants/emmigrants !

  • Roy Walsh

    Since the author is ‘Brittish’ sic, rather than Irish, constitutionally they’re foreigners, at least in that no part of Ireland has ever been part of Britain

  • Reader

    Roy Walsh: Since the author is ‘Brittish’ sic, rather than Irish, constitutionally they’re foreigners, at least in that no part of Ireland has ever been part of Britain
    At a guess, it’s a picture taken in Northern Ireland, so the author can be British and/or Irish – according to the GFA and the Government of Ireland Act, which is the only constitution we have.
    I’m not sure there is any local constitution which bothers to define the term ‘foreigner’. Is there a separate Shinner constitution, perhaps?

  • Barry the Blender

    Since the author is ‘Brittish’ sic, rather than Irish, constitutionally they’re foreigners, at least in that no part of Ireland has ever been part of Britain

    I know it’s fun to pretend otherwise, but Northern Ireland’s in the United Kingdom, and thus its citizens may carry a BRITISH passport, and define themselves as such.

    The only reason I’ve bothered with this post is to tell Roy, as far as cheeky, one liner, slugger comments go…he needs to do better.

  • Roy Walsh

    Sorry chaps, Barry and Reader, you’re both wrong, a United Kingdom Passport, or terrority is one thing, Britain is Wales, England and Scotland, not, nor ever any part of Ireland, hence British, while common shorthand is still incorrect.
    As to ‘Shinners’ Reader, I’ve no idea, don’t much regard their constitution

  • Not this silly argument again. People can call themselves British (one “t”) if they want to. When asked, I say I’m Northern Irish.

  • tyrone_taggart

    “People can call themselves British (one “t”) if they want to. ”

    People may also call themselves Martian if they want to. It does not make it true.

  • Reader

    Roy Walsh: Sorry chaps, Barry and Reader, you’re both wrong, a United Kingdom Passport, or terrority is one thing, Britain is Wales, England and Scotland, not, nor ever any part of Ireland, hence British, while common shorthand is still incorrect.
    Actually, ‘Great Britain’ is most of England, most of Scotland and most (or all) of Wales [not sure about Anglesey]. But I don’t think there’s a formal definition of ‘Britain’, which leaves the term open for use by people other than yourself. However, the UK passport defines its bearers as “British Citizen”, which seems to define the term ‘British’, if not ‘Britain’, by implication.
    Roy Walsh: As to ‘Shinners’ Reader, I’ve no idea, don’t much regard their constitution
    The name Roy Walsh has cachet in republican circles, and has been re-cycled before now. Of course, there’s little to identify you as a republican – provisional or dissident – apart from your tendency to read between the lines of the southern constitution.

  • Reader

    tyrone_taggert: People may also call themselves Martian if they want to. It does not make it true.
    People may call themselves Irish if they have Irish citizenship. True or false?
    People may call themselves British if they have British citizenship. True or false?

  • separatesix

    JR santa will never find you this year he can’t read irredentist pipedream maps like the one on your avatar / logo.

  • tyrone_taggart

    People may call themselves Irish if they have Irish citizenship. True or false?

    True, They can also call themselves Irish if they have British citizenship. True or false?

  • Sadly, whoever this bod is, he has a better sense of the language than all previous critics. He speaks (and writes) Brittonic — he’s probably the only one left. Ever wondered why it’s “Brittany”?

    From the Oxford English Dictionary:

    Forms: OE Brettisc, OE Brittisc, OE Brytisc, OE Bryttisc, eME Brutisc, eME Bruttes, eME Bruttis, eME Bruttisc, eME Bruttissc, eME Bruttus, eME Bruttusse (plural), ME Brittissche, ME Brittisshe, ME Bruttische, ME Bruttissche, ME Bruytisshe, ME Brytisshe, ME–15 Brettysshe, ME–15 Brytysshe, 15 Bretyshe, 15 Bretysshe, 15 Brutish, 15–16 Britishe, 15–16 Brittish, 15–16 Brittishe, 15–16 Britysh, 15–16 Brytish, 15–16 Bryttish, 15– British…
    Etymology: from Brett n.1 + -ish suffix1.
    Of or relating to the Brittonic-speaking peoples originally inhabiting all of Britain south of the Firth of Forth before and during the Roman occupation.

    Ah yes! “Brutish”. Spot on.

  • tyrone_taggart

    Reader you say that ” I don’t think there’s a formal definition of ‘Britain’”

    Do you not accept the “Treaty of Union” definition?

    “That the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England, shall upon the 1st May next ensuing the date hereof, and forever after, be United into One Kingdom by the Name of GREAT BRITAIN.” Treaty of Union

  • Mike the First

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/LivingintheUK/DG_10012517

    “The full title of this country is ‘the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’:
    •Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland and Wales
    •the United Kingdom (UK) is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland

    ‘Britain’ is used informally, usually meaning the United Kingdom.”

    The wilful ignorance of the likes of Roy Walsh and tyrone_taggart is a wonder to behold.

  • between the bridges

    lol i always wondered where uncle Andy lived…

  • Catherine Couvert

    What I don’t wonder is how the actual foreigners who live round that street feel.

  • tyrone_taggart

    Mike the First:

    England has long condoned using England to describe Britain. In the same way that ‘Britain’ is used informally, usually meaning the United Kingdom.”

    I do not object to what people want to call something by a “wrong” title it just does not make it a fact.

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    Why is it this anti-foreigner nonsense seems to come from loyalist sources? Do similar things happen in republican areas, because if so I never read about it.

  • between the bridges
  • ayeYerMa

    Get a life Roy Walsh – you’re from the British Isles

  • antoinmaccomhain

    @I may have to emigrate says suspended race row,1) ‘Councillor’……2)’Lord Mayor’……..and……3)Royal Sun Alliance …. employee……3 Jobs……and there’s 600,000 people unemployed on the Island.’Fair play’ to Labours ‘Aodhán Ó Ríordáin’ for playing the ‘race card’……Labours Joan Burton(Professional Accountant/Minister for Social Protection/Taking home 140 an hour) is slashing Fás courses/Community Employment Schemes(People earn an extra 20 quid per week,for doing a Community Employment course…..

    Of course Lord Scully will be forgiven by Fine Gael-Labour.-‘Tis xmas afterall,he has a family,3 jobs and a mortgage.

  • @Charlie Sheens PR Guru: Thank you for caring about the anti-foreigner statement. I was starting to think readers were more concerned by the “Brittish” declaration!

    To try to answer your question, no, I’m not aware of Sinn Fein explicit anti-foreigner expressions (less to England, which I’m sure others here will expand). I expect xenophobia would run counter to their subscription to the Democratic Left European United Left-Nordic Green Left grouping at the European Parliament.

  • jonno99

    Roy Walsh is 100% correct. The UK passport refers to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If NI was part of Britain it would just refer to the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

    The Irish passport on the other hand refers to Citizens of Ireland. All 32 counties.

    The ‘We’re all from the British Isles’ argument can be equally applied to ‘We’re all from Europe’. It’s a geographical term.

    British Isles – Great Britain and Ireland and adjacent islands in the north Atlantic

    Great Britain, GB – an island comprising England and Scotland and Wales

    Emerald Isle, Hibernia, Ireland – an island comprising the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland

  • Reader

    tyrpne_taggart: True, They can also call themselves Irish if they have British citizenship. True or false?
    True; for instance, I do that. On other occasions I call myself British, or Northern Irish. It mostly depends on the context, but sometimes on my mood.

  • Reader

    jonno, you have found a definition of ‘Great Britain’. Now find a definition of ‘Britain’.
    Separately, based on your definition of ‘Great Britain’, does it include the Isle of Wight, Anglesey or the Shetland Islands?

  • I said earlier that this argument is silly. It’s getting sillier as time passes.

  • DoppiaVu

    oh ffs

    Not this British isles thing again

    don’t you people have anything better to do?

  • Reader

    Mr Ulster: Thank you for caring about the anti-foreigner statement.
    We have known for a long time that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. And this is just another symptom, well known to be correlated with un-reflective patriotism. Nothing new to see here.
    To be frank, you are fortunate to get a thread full of geography flames out of it. This could well have been a load of educational/spelling flames instead.

  • JR

    Seprate six,

    Incase you havent noticed my avitar is up-to date reality. I only put the Irish flag in constituiencies where the majority of the electorate democraticlly elected a ntionlist.

    The proportion of the Island which votes majority unionist is clearly shown in Royal purpal.

  • Mike the First

    jonno99

    “Roy Walsh is 100% correct. The UK passport refers to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If NI was part of Britain it would just refer to the United Kingdom of Great Britain.”

    No-one here is claiming Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain.

    “The Irish passport on the other hand refers to Citizens of Ireland. All 32 counties.”

    I think you need to check the name of the 26 county state.

  • Red Lion

    The posts on here defy belief. Petty point scoring is as vibrant as ever.

    Perhaps just see that a rich heritage and history on these islands have produced many quirks and anomalies, and grow up

  • jonno99

    Mike the First

    The 26 county state is the Republic of Ireland. The six county state is Northern Ireland. Ireland is the island of Ireland i.e all 32 counties.

    But, at the risk of contradicting myself, the following also holds true.

    The term ‘Ireland’ is frequently used by the Irish govt for official purposes, legal documents etc where the language used is in English.

    Apparently, according to Wikpedia, Since 1949 the Republic of Ireland Act has provided that the Republic of Ireland (or Poblacht na hÉireann in Irish) is the legal description for the state. However, Ireland remains the constitutional name of the state.

  • unicorn

    So I guess all you people looking down your noses have actively campaigned to abolish the UK Borders Agency, give visas to all who want one and would vote for the laissez faire immigration policies of Somalia.

    Didn’t think so.

    I’d prefer crude honesty to hypocrisy, though I’m more a “not too many foreigners, and make it easier for French, Australian or American immigrants to come than those from developing or non western countries for cultural compatibility reasons” man myself. Would be hard to fit that on the flag though without rather tiny writing.

    Crude anti-foreigner sentiment may have a poor record but right now the record of those who treat the subject of immigration as something rather like the Victorians supposedly treated piano legs or eating fish with the wrong fork is looking even more troublesome in it’s consequences.

  • carl marks

    Unicorn
    What we need in this backward little hole (see the above posts about the definition of British/Irish) is more diversity, more Africans to share their culture with us, more Asians with that great food and music, more eastern Europeans with the pretty girls.
    Might have enough MacDonald’s and star bucks so easy on the yanks, but a bit more French cooking and wine might be nice.
    By the way you as I are both descended from immigrants (we all are its a island FFS ).
    So i say open your eyes put away your fear and mistrust of those who are different and enjoy the diversity instead.

  • RepublicanStones

    I believe the latin term for a person of this variety is ‘fuckingarseholeous’ – and both of our respective communities have them in abundance.

    Anyone else think the little Santa looks like a hostage?

  • carl marks

    unicorn (profile) says:
    21 December 2011 at 1:46 am
    “So I guess all you people looking down your noses have actively campaigned to abolish the UK Borders Agency, give visas to all who want one and would vote for the laissez faire immigration policies of Somalia.
    Didn’t think so.”
    Two points, yes i do look down my nose at racists, anyone who dislikes or discriminates against another person for reasons of race, culture, sexual orientation , colour, creed, nationality or disability is more than worthy of contempt.
    Secondly, you must learn to distinguish between the people from other countries who have the right to work here and illegal immigrants, you take your argument to a ridiculous place when you suggest that those who enjoy the variety that others bring into our lives do not know the difference.

  • Is telling the mainly Protestant people of N.I. that they are really Irish, not British, part of SF’s outreach program?

  • unicorn

    carl marks

    What we need in this backward little hole (see the above posts about the definition of British/Irish) is more diversity, more Africans to share their culture with us, more Asians with that great food and music, more eastern Europeans with the pretty girls.

    The problem with Northern Ireland is that we have too much diversity as it is. About 4,000 people died in the last century essentially because people failed a “Tebbit test”, whether you consider that failure to be unionists not considering themselves Irish or nationalists not considering themselves British. So in this backdrop you claim that something which may introduce lots more Tebbit test failers in new ways is not merely beneficial but something we NEED?

    The best that could be said is that it would do no harm, and might provide some entertaining food and music. To say that we NEED it is the irrational fixed view of an ideologue.

    That’s before we consider the more simple arguments about infrastructure and public services and a population increase.

    Two points, yes i do look down my nose at racists, anyone who dislikes or discriminates against another person for reasons of race, culture, sexual orientation , colour, creed, nationality or disability is more than worthy of contempt.

    So if I prefer the Amish to the Aztec religion of human sacrifice I am worthy of contempt? If I think that Nazism was wrong then I am worthy of contempt? Also what has opposing immigration got to do with discrimination? I would oppose large scale immigration of non-Jewish UK citizens (such as myself) to Israel, but if a non-Jewish Israeli citizen were to be discriminated against in Israel I would oppose that too. These are two different things.

    Secondly, you must learn to distinguish between the people from other countries who have the right to work here and illegal immigrants, you take your argument to a ridiculous place when you suggest that those who enjoy the variety that others bring into our lives do not know the difference.

    Stop treating me like a six year old. Maybe then I may take your arguments seriously.

  • carl marks

    unicorn

    So our problem is too much diversity, and here was me thinking it was too much intolerance, by your argument England Scotland and Wales would be war zones s they all have greater diversity than us.
    The Aztec religion is no longer with us thankfully, the Nazis were racist and most worthy of contempt (unless you are a supporter of the BNP or NF in which case you are also worthy of contempt) . The Tebbit test itself is racist nonsense.
    As regards to infrastructure and population size , a good bit of our infrastructure only works because of immigrants working in it (the health service for example) and you may have noticed that our population is shrinking, note the amount of empty seats in our schools, our economy needs the skills and work ethic that immigrants bring to the table’
    Didn’t think I was treating you like a six year old although i have to admit i have heard better arguments from six year olds.