False Rage Part II

The False Rage noted in an earlier post was on display again tonight as loyalists gathered to chant their tribal slogans, don their flags and sing God Save The Queen whilst engaging in the sectarian action of attacking cars believed to be carrying Sinn Fein representatives into and from the City Hall. Having rubbed the bottle hard to ensure this genie escaped, it will be interesting to find out if our purportedly more assertive media tackle unionist councillors on whether or not they would condemn the antics of the mob and (note to media) challenge those unionist councillors to support the arrest of those involved in these sectarian hate crimes.

Oh, and wither that apology over the ‘gobbledegook’ remark on Council?

  • Cynic2

    Chris

    Please stop drooling. Its undignified.

    The reality is that the Sectarian Mayor was saved by the Alliance Party. I hope this does settle down but it remains to be seen how he can now command any respect of engage freely with Unionist Communities, which is a huge shame.

  • Yes indeed……but in a sense there’s nothing quite like a sectarian loyalist mob to show up unionisms dirty little secret.
    If there was no sectarian loyalist mobs we would have to invent them.
    Im a traditionalist at heart and theres nothing as traditional as a sectarian loyalist mob…..except of course for the way that respectable unionist politicians distance themselves from them.
    Its pantomime season…….”oh no it isnt….oh yes it is”………and I see no harm in a mob outside the City Hall. Perhaps we could call it Mob Fest to compliment Orange Fest.
    But Im intrigued by how the Belfast Mob seems as gullible as the Springfield Mob in the Simpsons. On Thursday night unionists managed to snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory……after Mayor Quimbys faux pas.

  • Cold weather, scarves and hoods …

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    Is it just me, or would the outrage of this mob seem more genuine if their posters weren’t all scrawled in the same handwriting? Who makes these? Is it the facebook group organiser?

    Reminds me of the those old professional wrestling documentaries that detailed for those that didn’t know already that it was fake. One of the things they showed were that those supposedly hand made posters with messages from the fans were actually given out from staff on the way in for those that wanted them.

  • FJH…..You’ve heard of that play by Johnny Speight, then. The unionists on the BCC are helping the republican cause. They expose Robbo’s er…….’catholic outreach’ as his baby alone, in the DUP. Ford described one of the most pointless speeches by Robbo in a long time. The absence of applause during ‘parts’ of the speech gave the game away. It’s business as usual.

  • USA

    Yep…..can’t wait to vote DUP at the next election.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I passed that crowd again on my way home from work last night. It was smaller than on Friday, and there seem to be a larger spide contingent.

    Cynic, I think it is really ridiculous to say that the Mayor has lost the confidence of half the city. I think most people are happy enough to move on. Those who feel strongly about it were camped outside the back gate of city hall last night, and there were no more than about 100 of them, mostly teenagers or people in their 20s dressed in tracksuits.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Interesting quotes from the DUP’s Christopher Stalford on the BBC,

    “This was an opportunity that was missed by the council. They could have united around our motion that sent a positive message that there is no place for petty bigotry or sectarianism in public life,” he said.”

    He does not mention how the Mayor was being bigotted or sectarian, not that the truth has anything to do with this issue.

    The report does not state whether he was being ironic or whether the DUP had a Damascan conversion over the weekend.

    Also, the new assertiveness does not seem to have reached the BBC as it does not mention the violent nature of the protest or the overt loyalist paramilitary involvement.

  • aquifer

    Professional police operation facilitating democratic protest.

    The term ‘False Rage’ looks like a useful present for the new year. Re-gifting is fine by me.

    Thanks Chris.

  • JR

    That footage gives a clear visualisation of the section of the electorate the Unionist Parites in Belfast CC will draw support from by arranging this meetion.

  • iluvni

    anyone ask the family of the wee girl how they feel about the antics of the Lord Spide and the idiots who have taken it upon themselves to be offended on her behalf?

  • Johnny Boy

    It’s disingenuous to suggest that there isn’t genuine disappointment about the behaviour of the Lord Mayor in this instance, but I would also suggest that a fair proportion those people are also dismayed at the antics of Unionists response. It exposes the political chasm that still divides us.

    BTW, the original post is barely anything more than trolling IMHO.

  • dwatch

    G_E_F Tuesday, December 6, 2011 at 10:49 AM

    “THe Unionist four groups ( DUP,UUP, PUP & IND) have only themselves to blame by their petty division & internal infighting. Had they all come together (all 21 of them) as one party (say DUP) before the election of Council officers early this year, then the Lord Mayor would have been DUP (2011-12 & 2014-15) instead of Sinn Fein, & this nasty incident by Niall O Donnghaile would never have happened”

    “Lord Mayor post filled twice by Sinn Féin (2011-12 & 2014-15), once by the Democratic Unionist Party (2012-13) and once by the SDLP (2013-14). For a full list of former Sovereigns, Mayors and Lord Mayors of Belfast see Lord Mayor of Belfast.” Belfast City Council – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http:en.wikipedia.orgwikiBelfast_City_Council

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/local/unionists_fail_in_bid_to_secure_lord_mayor_vow_1_3311291

  • michael-mcivor

    The loyalist hoards at the gate just saw Sinn Fein democracy drive through them- good video-

  • between the bridges

    micheal-The loyalist hoards at the gate…in pic’s…
    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/local/apprentice_boys_lundy_parade_picture_gallery_1_3309390?ot=johnstonpress.JohnstonPressPageLayout.ot

    these 2000 didn’t get as much TV/paper/blog time as the 60 or so outside city hall, i wonder why? False Rage Part III.5 the return of the hypocrite…

  • Skinner

    Worra lorra nonsense! Anyone still harping on about this AFTER the guy has apologised should be told to wise up by unionist leaders. Ok, so you resent him for what he represents – an insultingly young and inexperienced member of an extremist party – but don’t make yourselves look like complete numpties by causing a massive rumpus over this pretty trivial pimple in the Ulster complexion.

  • michael-mcivor

    between the bridges-

    Its something which i have always thought as a little bit odd-
    Lundy day-why would any sane person name their day out after one of their traitors-is it a unionist thing because i dont get it-

  • between the bridges

    M-M, it’s was to commemorate the 323rd anniversary of the ‘Shutting of the Gates’, ‘Shutting of the Gates celebrations’ is of course the official title. The day consists of a reenactment, church service and parade, burning your man at the end is all some (those with no understanding) think that happens thereby ‘Lundy day’ consider yourself one step further down the road towards understanding your unionist neighbours…

    http://www.apprenticeboys.co.uk/

  • Greenflag

    @ Charlie Sheens PR guru ,

    ‘Is it just me, or would the outrage of this mob seem more genuine if their posters weren’t all scrawled in the same handwriting? Who makes these?’

    Even in a loyalist mob there is bound to be one ‘intellectual’ if not two . One to write the poster and the other to pass them out to the lundyites.

    It could be worse -they might be throwing snowballs or pipebombs 🙁

  • DoppiaVu

    ok so “sectarian hate crimes” appears from the videos to consist of a bunch of grannies waving placards and about a dozen spides shouting at a car.

    Your own “False Rage” gets more desperate by the day Chris.

  • andnowwhat

    DoppiaVu

    Cars were attacked, kicked and punched. Even Ruth Patterson described the protesters behaviour as aggressive.

    There’s also talk that there were UVF men in that group.

  • Cynic2

    “The term ‘False Rage’ looks like a useful present for the new year. Re-gifting is fine by me.”

    Aquifer

    The term False Rage is a Trade Mark of Sinn Fein supporters Inc. It may only be used pn licence and when denigrating any opinions held by the unter-mensch of the Non – republican communities who don’t have the right to feel genuine rage

  • dwatch

    Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness has said Belfast Lord Mayor Niall O Donnghaile’s refusal to present an award to a young Army cadet was “undoubtedly a mistake”.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16042003

  • DoppiaVu

    andnowwhat

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not trying to excuse the behaviour in any way. Placards & grannies no problem, but the spides were certainly going well beyond peaceful protest.

    However, as Chris has made “False Rage” the theme of his post, I’m just noting his False Rage over a pretty minor incident which was entirely contained by the police.

    Oh yes and about those alleged UVF men in the group. I have it on a good source that there may have been some IRA men in the cars.

  • Alan N/Ards

    I’m not sure that the term false rage is right here. Many non spides where outraged by Niall O Donnghaile’s treatment of a young girl from the unionist tradition. Niall brought this on himself but the more experienced SF councillor’s should have known what the outctry was going to be like, but it is time to move on. His treatment of a young girl was dispicable but there is no need to try and twist the knife any further than it has been. The outcome of Niall striking a blow for Irish freedom means he will probably not be welcome in loyalist areas for the rest of his time as Lord Mayor.

    The unionist councillors need to climb off the high horse and move on. Republican’s need to realise that Belfast like NI is a divided place where a wrong word or a snub to a child could cause and indeed has caused genuine offence.

  • babyface finlayson

    Certainly an ugly mob
    I was going to expess doubt about using the term ‘sectarian hate crime’, since the cause was a specific event, but I see the PSNI define a sectarian hate crime as
    “any incident perceived, by the victim or any other person, as sectarian”
    That covers a lot of sins, including this.

  • Alias

    I would guess that most unionists are pragmatic and looking at the positives. i.e. that The Right Honourable (an exclusive title awarded by Her Majesty) Lord Mayor should present the Duke of Edinburgh trinkets (who just happens to be Her Majesty’s husband) in the British state while finding that the only thing that ‘offends his republican principles’ about of of that is a teenage girl. Unionists, I’d guess, know progress when they see it – plus, of course, the Shinners put toward a new boy to the role and not an old bearded provo…

  • sonofstrongbow

    That Irish Republicans label complaints about insulting sectarian behavior towards a child as “false rage” tells you all you really need to know about them.

    Expect ‘Cadet Watch’ to come along very soon.

  • ranger1640

    ‘False Rage’ © Sinn Fein/IRA

  • Alias

    I just looked it up in the offical Shinner medical textbook. Apparently false rage is a symptom of false consciousness.

  • MonkDeWallyDeHonk

    Comrade Stalin

    “Spides” in tracksuits – surely not.

    Seriously though, I did not agree with the Mayor’s actions – I welcome his apology and the comments from MMG.

    However, as we have noted before, the hypocrisy from the usual “loyalist” posters on here is staggering.

    We could fill an entire web site with examples of BCC discriminating against Catholics and electing people with direct links to “loyalist” paramailitaries.

    Does that bother our “loyalist” fellow sluggerites – of course not! It’s just jolly old fun – keeping those taigs in their place.

    However, when a SF taig mayor does something wrong (and pretty small in comparison with some of the “loyalist” antics), he has to go.

    I notice that the DUP motion called for the mayor to agree not to repeat such behaviour in future.

    I wonder if they would like to apply that to any future DUP mayor. I doubt it would last very long – the current DUP deputy mayor can’t even be civil – not too many protests about that eh?

    As I said, I didn’t agree with this action and I welcome the response.

    Frankly I hope the apology was aimed at people with a decent non sectarian attitude.

    I wouldn’t bother apologising to anyone in that mob or any of the “loyalist” posters on here. They don’t have a problem with insulting sectarian gestures against Catholics – it’s only when it comes from a Catholic that they have an issue with it.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Monk,

    Yeah I agree, I think the Mayor miscalculated, he knows it, and SF know it too which is why they wheeled out Martin McGuinness to say so. I think most people are happy enough with that but as usual the unionists want sackcloth and ashes.

    Unionists who elect paramilitaries into positions don’t tend to draw attention to it or call it all a bit of fun. They just get very evasive. In fairness, though, the loyalist mayors we’ve had in Belfast have usually been okay.

  • Comrade Stalin

    sonofstrongbow:

    That Irish Republicans label complaints about insulting sectarian behavior towards a child as “false rage” tells you all you really need to know about them.

    I think it’s accurate to call it false rage. Unionist politicians have no problems targeting children when it comes to expressing tribal perspectives.

  • dwatch

    If BCC’s 21 Unionist councillors think Niall O Donnghaile is going to be hard to stick from now until a DUP Lord Mayor is elected in 2012. Then watch out which SF councillor will be elected Lord Mayor to serve from 2014 – 15. If its Jim McVeigh or Mairtin O’Muilleoir their troubles are only beginning.

  • Alan N/Ards

    dwatch

    Do you really think Jim mcveigh or Mairtin O’Muilleoir are going to behave in an immature way like the present Lord Mayor. While I disagree with their politics they seem to have a bit of sense.

  • sonofstrongbow

    Comrade General Secretary,

    I must have missed the reports of Jim Wells inviting a child to pack his shopping bag only to snatch the bag away when he learned the nipper was a member of the GAA.

    Now of course if that didn’t actually happen perhaps you’ve just come up with a random piece of Whataboutery from your copy of’ Rebutting Themuns Almanac’ you seem to keep readily to hand.

    Then again perhaps you just False Posted?

  • dwatch

    “Do you really think Jim mcveigh or Mairtin O’Muilleoir are going to behave in an immature way like the present Lord Mayor.”

    Alan N/Ards, Mcveigh & O’Muilleoir are the present Lord Mayor’s mentors who advised the present Lord Mayor to carry out the this recent act to annoy the Unionists.

  • Comrade Stalin

    sonofstrongbow:

    I must have missed the reports of Jim Wells inviting a child to pack his shopping bag only to snatch the bag away when he learned the nipper was a member of the GAA.

    I suppose it was asking a bit much to expect people not to be disingenuous.

    The parallels are quite clear – certain unionist politicians made a huge issue out of this, and described children packing bags to raise money for their local sports club as offensive and tried to get it stopped. To me that is on the same level as refusing to shake the hand of an army cadet teenager. I don’t see how you can justify one and not the other. Unless you are a hypocrite.

    Now of course if that didn’t actually happen perhaps you’ve just come up with a random piece of Whataboutery from your copy of’ Rebutting Themuns Almanac’ you seem to keep readily to hand.

    Is it legitimate to point out hypocrisy ?

    It’s not “whataboutery” because I am not justifying one person’s actions by referring to those of another.

  • sonofstrongbow

    “I suppose it was asking a bit much to expect people not to be disingenuous.” Yes that’s what I was thinking: but I’ll not hold it against you.

    The Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn are “parallels” yet very, very far apart. As I indicated no children were anywhere near the row over the GAA baggers. The same cannot be said for what happened in Belfast City Hall. That you choose to ignore this significant difference in the two situations may not make you a hypocrite; however only good manners prevents me from suggesting what it does say about you.

    You introduced another, and very different, situation to ask ‘what about this’: ergo whataboutery.

  • dwatch

    Just when one SF windup has died down another one begins.

    “Hunger striker art to hang in Belfast City Hall”

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/hunger-striker-art-to-hang-in-belfast-city-hall-16088205.html#ixzz1fvjt91QU

  • Comrade Stalin

    strongbow :

    As I indicated no children were anywhere near the row over the GAA baggers.

    OK, so what age where the people who were packing the bags. Take your time.

  • Comrade Stalin

    (sorry, I hit send too quick)

    The same cannot be said for what happened in Belfast City Hall. That you choose to ignore this significant difference in the two situations may not make you a hypocrite; however only good manners prevents me from suggesting what it does say about you.

    Perhaps I need to explain myself more clearly.

    We have two different situations :

    – GAA teenagers (“children” ie under 18) packing bags in a supermarket in order to raise money for their local club. A politician chose to politicize this harmless activity.

    – An army cadet (a teenager) being presented with a Duke of Edinburgh award. A politician chose to politicize this harmless event.

    In both cases, I am seeing the same thing – children engaging in a wholesome, non-violent activity being discouraged from doing so by the selfish grandstanding of a politician.

    Please explain to me what the difference is ?

    You introduced another, and very different, situation to ask ‘what about this’: ergo whataboutery.

    So exactly when is it valid to point out hypocrisy ?

  • babyface finlayson

    Comrade Stalin
    Apologies for butting in to a private conversation, but surely an obvious difference in the two scenarios is that Jim Wells did not (as far as I know) stand in front of the children collecting for the GAA, with the media in attendance and voice his objections to what they were doing.