“A very unlikely setting to prepare for unity!”

Alex Kane on Sinn Féin’s ‘historic’ Ard Fheis in Belfast.

It was an altogether different bunch of rebels last night, an army of united-Irelands, many of whom had travelled a very long way (maybe even passing Prince Charles as he visited this part of his future kingdom) to debate, among other things, a motion calling for the ‘practical planning for Irish unity to begin now’.

The conference programme may have referred to the six counties, but the reality was that this was the first time that an ard fheis had been held in the UK: in a conference centre a stone’s throw away from the very courts that had dispatched many IRA members to prison and a mere black taxi ride from the offices Martin McGuinness shares with Peter Robinson in the once hated Stormont. A very unlikely setting to prepare for unity!

So it’s probably no surprise that they should go for a headline grabber on the opening night. The Rev David Latimer, a former TA chaplain who has held hands with Martin McGuinness as they prayed together, seemed like the perfect person to fill the role. The fact that his acceptance of an invitation to address the event had annoyed a wide range of unionists and evangelicals, while securing extensive coverage in the local media, would suggest a job well done by Sinn Fein’s PR team.

In more ways than one…

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  • Munsterview

    Pete : The fact that his acceptance of an invitation to address the event had annoyed a wide range of unionists and evangelicals, while securing extensive coverage in the local media, would suggest a job well done by Sinn Fein’s PR team.

    Yes very well done indeed to all concerned !

    The sight of that hall packed to the rafters send out a visual signal to friend, foe and other political parties on these Islands alike.

    It reminds me of the old Hymn at the Annual Parish Mission

    ” Faith of our fathers living still,
    in-spite of dungeon, fire and sword”

    The Fenian Faith is thriving still
    no prison ship and jailhouse bars

    What satisfaction all those former political prisoners must have felt siting there in camera view and thinking, in as much as they waste time thinking of these things, ” look at us you bastards “!

    There can be no doubt to anyone on this Island watching that rally and Sinn Fein Leaders speech that the Orange State is now consigned to the dustbin of failed and discarded political
    states such as Apartite White South Africa, that other bastion of Orange type ‘democracy’ replete with jails, cages, torture, licenses, uniformed state goons etc.

    As I said elsewhere in another post, the very fact that Gerry and Sinn Fein could pack that fine hall to the rafters while Turgon and the ‘Truly Useless Visage of unionism could not muster enough bodies to fill a jacks there, tells it’s own story loud and clear !

    A week end for Republicans to remember and one which Turgon and those hankering after their vanquished and by in large, unlamented Orange Statelet, will not forget !

  • Into the west

    Indeed, MV the Lundy-Wailers always cheer me up;
    they’re the gift that keeps on giving.

    Knowing their thoughts, he said to them,
    “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste,
    and no city or house divided against itself will stand.”

    That’s from the bible peteb Mt12.25

    but don’t take my word read the whole thing 😉

  • huntsman

    However much I try to appreciate and be open minded to Unionist views, the constant insecure and ungracious remarks of their “spokespersons” bring me sadly back to reality. Kane seems incapable of anything other than carping negativity. Get a life for yourslf Alex. I could not care less if the DUP manage to persuade some Catholic cleric to appear at the annual knees up. Most people from the Nationalist side would have enough confidence to take it without worrying them in the slighest.

  • Wonder just how many motions condemning the Internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough were on the Ard Fheis Clar over the weekend?

    I suspect none at all by the grassroots of a Party who sent the three Internees out to wage Armed Actions in the ’70’s & ’80’s?

    Strange that they’re just ignored as is their suffering in Maghaberry!

  • Into the west

    Here’s a novel way of looking at Irish Unity
    Let’s pretend its like a game of rugby.

    Its what you do with the ball that counts.
    SF don’t get a lot of ball
    because in the North we’re tied into the UK
    and in the South SF are a small party.

    However, for the only party on both sides of the border
    they sure as hell punch above their weight.

    Being in a position to influence all the debates
    that Ireland is having and is going to have .

    The other side ( unionists ) get plenty of ball
    But what do they do with it? Not much it seems.

    They keep giving away penalties , e.g responses to Latimer.
    SF put another 3 points on the board.
    And so it goes on.
    SF will be looking forward to some try-scoring opportunities.
    They will present themselves over the next 5 yrs.

    meanwhile its likely the SoS will announce same corporation levels of tax in North as South in autumn
    So the pitch is being ever levelled-out aswell.
    which means its no-longer an uphill struggle.

    So advice to SF is:
    get your rugby skills up to speed, the modern era
    of the game is an era of excellence.
    Go for the turn-over ball down South
    Scrum-down up North in Stormont
    And get the score-board ticking over

    Above all remember the gift that keeps on giving.

    Onwards and upwards towards unity.
    Tiocfaidh Ar La or “keep ‘er lit” as we say in Finchley

  • “On the Waterfront was based on a 24-part series of articles in the New York Sun by Malcolm Johnson, “Crime on the Waterfront”. The series won the 1949 Pulitzer Prize for Local Reporting. The stories detailed widespread corruption, extortion and racketeering on the waterfront of Manhattan and Brooklyn.”

    So the Belfast Waterfront Hall was not such an unlikely setting after all for the Mafia-orientated PRM political gathering!

  • Certainly it was a job well done by Sinn Fein’s PR team but with respect to Alex Kane, I think he has not seen the bigger picture. I tried to draw attention to this in a comment that I wrote on another thread last night

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/09/11/sycophant-fool-traitor-egotist-motivated-by-financial-gain-lundy/

    Unfortunately, the comment was drowned out by a subsequent sectarian war of words and not debated.

    From time to time, we draw attention to Northern Ireland’s sectarian problems. Sinn Fein works the sectarian system, yet it regularly manages to win the point-scoring exercises. Witness Tom Elliott’s outburst at the end of the Assembly elections. They manage to make the Unionists look like the bigoted intransigent side whilst painting themselves as non-sectarian.

    The Revd Latimer was paraded by Sinn Fein as a trophy. Anybody who cares about the problems of sectarianism will not be fooled by that. More than anything, this demonstrates that Sinn Fein have taken dishonesty to a new level.

  • Henry94

    For a united Ireland to come about some unionists will have to convert from unionism if not to nationalism then at least to neutrality. So when unionist feels that Sinn Fein have not appealed to unionists they are slightly missing the point. It’s like asking what the Conservative party is doing to appeal to Trotskyites.

    Of course those who will remain unionists in any case need to be assured that their rights are not in any danger in a united Ireland. But that assurance and the winning of converts are not exactly the same job. Nor is it entirely separate of course.

  • “Gerry and Sinn Fein could pack that fine hall to the rafters”

    Munsterview, the Latimer stunt will have drawn attention away from the, er, lack of unity in the Republican segment of Irish nationalism here.

    The Kingdom of Moyle is well off the MSM and Slugger radar but it’s certainly causing a few problems for SF HQ, not least Martin McGuinness. According to the Grapevine, one of the Sunday papers spares his blushes when it pulled a story on one of his party colleagues and someone he canvassed for.

    There was a 56% turn-out in the recent local elections where the electorate was 11,674. Two successful Independent republicans picked up 1001 first preferences as against 1115 first preferences gained by five SF candidates (three of whom were successful). Transfers between these two groupings were not particularly high and one of the two Independents in a letter to the Irish News on 11.09.2009 used a scathing title: “No Shinner fit to lace Che’s boots”. This dissension in republican ranks appears to have cost SF two seats; it also cost them the role of opening chairman.

  • Independent Ulster

    “A very unlikely setting to prepare for unity!”

    He would day that wouldnt he. Alex is implicated in the sell-out that is the GFA which placed unreconstructed republican terrorists at the heart of government with leverage over the criminal justice system and the police, a veto on all pro-Unionist policies a constitutional link with Eire.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Lets ‘run’ with the Rugby Football analogy…………

    Robert McCartney on the ball,
    Tackled a little too robustly……(by his own side)
    Foul.
    Carried off.
    No one seems to have seen who carried out the tackle.
    Supporters on the sidelines look away,embarrassed.
    ( as they continue to do,time,and time,and time again)
    Indeed,a few vociferous cheerleaders even claim no foul was committed.
    Play continues………….
    But like many ‘own goals’ of the past,
    A few,a discerning few,begin to wonder just who the real opposition is.

    ‘Onwards and upwards towards unity’,comes the call from the slow to comprehend.

    Manager El Beardo snigger’s,nods,and gives thanks,for so many useful fools to pick from.

    A Notion Once Again……….is sung with gusto,as The Union Flag continues to fly proudly overall. 😉

  • Reader

    Henry94: For a united Ireland to come about some unionists will have to convert from unionism if not to nationalism then at least to neutrality. So when unionist feels that Sinn Fein have not appealed to unionists they are slightly missing the point.
    I don’t think they are missing the point. After all, if you are visualising unionists making the journey to becoming nationalists, what is their first step?
    And even if people have taken the first step, at some point their view of the possibility of SF having more power will become an issue for many.

  • Henry94

    Reader

    After all, if you are visualising unionists making the journey to becoming nationalists, what is their first step?

    Abandoning or diluting their unionism because they are either convinced by a critique of it or have themselves concluded that it is no longer something they can uphold.

    Of course it’s a two-way street. We need to respect each other as people while being free to offer political criticisms.

  • Skinner

    big brass balls like that not seen since the McCartney pawns were played

  • Munsterview

    Nevin : “……“Gerry and Sinn Fein could pack that fine hall to the rafters”

    Nevin : It has been many a long day since any political party in these Islands or elsewhere in the Western World used their Annual Part Conferences with internal party business as the real objective. In this media savvy age the Annual Party Conference is in the main about packaging and projecting to the public externally, not to the audience internally who are already on message, engaged with the party and motivated.

    In this era of mass marketing image and perception is all. That conference ticked off every objective box that Sinn Fein had in their agenda for the weekend and then some more !

    The party image that went out is light years away from the construct and associations that you and others like you such as Turgon et al, tried to place on the SF leadership. As such your collective frustration with a very successful SF Ard Fheis is both understandable and amusing even to the point of hilarity !

    The fact that a certain ‘General’ who takes his inspiration from a figure in a war that was concluded 66 years ago speaks for itself as indeed do the musings of a certain would be Admiral with his own Anchorage full of sailing metaphors, who reach even further back into the centuries past Zenith of British Empire for inspiration while now in the nadir doldrums of the same Empire with nay a puff of wind to set his ‘painted ship on a painted ocean’ into any forward momentum.

    This will not stop the same…… ‘I am do not bet’…… ‘Windy Admiral’ however from continuing to fill the majority of the blog space here in Slugger although his sole crew in the Good Ship ‘Stormount’ consists of just one aged relic whose only function it seems is to continually squawk out alarm calls like a panicking seagull tangled up in the rigging !

    The fact that relative to the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis crowds, the same ‘Windy Admiral’ could not fill a long boat, or as I somewhat cruedly, but more relevantly said in another post, the jacks in the hall with his own supporters, will not stop him from this nadir of Northern politics of as usual hogging the Zenith of available space on Slugger. Then again as it says in ‘The Good Book’ empty vessels do make the most noise !

    No doubt if it is a slow day in shooting Palestinians by Israeli Armed Forces, we will also have another diatribe against Sinn Fein from the other usual ‘any opponent of Israeli Occupation of the West Bank is an enemy of mine’ source.

    All so predictable and all so futile, collectivly ‘get a life’ and Sinn Fein will continue to get a country !

  • Alias

    Given that only 33% of NI’s Catholics favour unity, it isn’t just the Protestants who need to be persuaded…

  • “All so predictable and all so futile”

    Munsterview, that would be a fair description of that little bit of blarney you’ve just posted. But, from a distance, I wouldn’t expect you to have much of a grasp of politicing in these parts 🙂

  • Reader

    Henry94: Abandoning or diluting their unionism because they are either convinced by a critique of it or have themselves concluded that it is no longer something they can uphold.
    Seems unlikely – Unionism, like Irish Nationalism, is primarily an identity rather than a political position, and wouldn’t be vulnerable to being undermined that way.
    However, there is at least one potential case study. Maybe Billy Leonard could be interviewed to see what worked for him? Then SF analysts can work out why it didn’t work for everyone else.

  • Munsterview

    Nevin : “…But, from a distance, I wouldn’t expect you to have much of a grasp of politicing in these parts….”

    ‘Politicing’, Politicking ? From a distance is often a better perspective since locals cannot see the wood while hugging or as more often the case, pissing against a particular political tree.

    In this regard and to continue the metaphor, you Nevin with pro Sinn Fein posts, are like a dog with a lamp post, you cannot just resist cocking a leg !

  • Munsterview

    Nevin : when you are finished ‘leg cocking’ this is something of what is happening regarding moving politics forward in the real world.

    Not likely to occupy too much space on slugger and much slower to perculate throughout the political system, yet this conference next weekend is as important for politics on this Island as the Sinn Fein Conference was last weekend.

    http://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment?view=att&th=1325d316c95dd9a2&attid=0.1&disp=vah&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9u0qkSI15J2BDYLJ8RK9Sg&sadet=1315833339807&sads=FymNDiGZo1hOWuiGt_qteIv9mGM&sadssc=1

  • “hugging or as more often the case, pissing against a particular political tree.”

    A most unfortunate choice of metaphor for you, Munsterview, Gerry Adams is the well known tree-hugger so that leaves you, er, pissing into the wind 🙂

    Perhaps you’d now like to give your perspective on the disunity in Moyle that I’ve briefly outlined …

  • “this conference next weekend”

    The hyperlink isn’t working, Munsterview.

  • Munsterview

    Nevin: “…A most unfortunate choice of metaphor for you, Munsterview,…”

    No not really, Gerry by his own admission is a ‘tree hugger’ , you on the other hand seem to think you have a self appointed commission as pisser on the ‘Sinn Fein political tree’

    I would imagine that given a choice the majority of people would prefer to be hugged, even by Gerry than pissed on by you. However that is just my opinion !

    Nevin: “..Perhaps you’d now like to give your perspective on the disunity in Moyle that I’ve briefly outlined …”

    Again no, not really. we set the agenda for discussions nowadays, if you have not already noticed.

    Anyway if the matter raised was of sufficient importance to be of local concern to Sinn Fein and a problem, I would expect that remedial action has already been taken, that is the way the Sinn Fein political machine efficiently works. Accordingly the matters raised are now moot !

  • Munsterview

    Nevin : just clicked on the slugger link as posted and it is coming up fine and showing the conference seminar headings and speaker profiles.

    Seriously, if you want the full conference details I will download the attachment, open and post the reference ! I had deferred that for myself until this evening as I am also attending to other matters with slugger in the background.

  • Into the west

    Heinz,

    I’ve often commented about “the enemy within”.
    Roberty McCartney’s murder a classic example
    On a criminal level, as appalling as that of Paul Quinn
    And then in our game-theory terms, huge “un-forced” errors.
    .
    Republican aggression has always been outward, violent, merciless
    whereas Unionist is passive-aggression- nasty, bigoted, hateful
    I’m afraid this is the reality ,
    and highlights the need for transformation on both sides.

    I can see Peter Robinson cringing and grimacing
    at the Lundy comments this weekend, as he used
    to have to bite his lip when standing beside Paisley of old.

    So where is this going?
    Mutual respect, even if grudging, tends towards harmony.
    We all want that,
    True equality leads to Unity, because the magnetic polarities of determine such things.
    Who wants to be on the outside, when its all happening on the inside?

    Our job is to ridicule both republican dissidents and loyalist bigots,
    give em no quarter, so it beomes something so shameful
    as to be almost a crime to be like that.

    Finally, people who point only to numbers, like alias,
    have no passion.
    Fuck em and all they stand for , right Heinz ?

  • HeinzGuderian

    itw

    Our job is to ridicule anyone thinking a ui is,in any way imminent.
    We already have unity my friend,you see we live in the United Kingdom.
    I have no problem ridiculing *loyalist*/nat/rep/dissident or any other bigots.
    Being a cheerleader for the shinners,kinda rules you out of condemning ALL bigots,right itw ? 😉

  • HeinzGuderian

    Muns

    Change the record mate,your mono drone,come mopery,is becoming very tedious.

    Akin to the perennial shinner call for a ui……..about as likely to happen as El Beardo’s memory improving !! 😉

    ps………..you do know why the shinners invited a presbyterian minister to attend their ui,notion once again,knees up,don’t you ?
    They wouldn’t dare invite a priest !! 🙂

  • Rory Carr

    A somewhat easy acceptance of Malcolm Johnson’s series in the New York Sun as the basis for Budd Schulberg’s screenplay for On the Waterfront, Nevin.

    While Schulberg did in all likliehood draw on Johnson’s articles the original imspiration was a screenplay by Arthur Miller called The Hook. The FBI insisted on vetting the script and wanted the corrupt gangsters in the plot to be rewritten as Communist Party members. Miller refused and withdrew his script.

    Kazan, the director, who had been a willing nark at the House Committe on Un-American Activities (HUAC) betraying former friends (including playwright Clifford Odets) to save his own skin, was eager to produce a movie that portrayed a ‘rat’ in a positive light, signed up Schulberg, himself the son of a studio head and keen opponent of trade unionism and, not coincidentally also a friendly witness at HUAC, who took what he could get away with from Miller’s script, added in some bits from Johnson’s series and what he himself gathered from a witness to the real life Waterfront Commission, Tony DiVincenzo ( a man uncredited and unrewarded for his input until many years later when he threatened to sue Columbia Pictures).

    Kazan was much reviled for the rest of his life not only for his ratting to HUAC but also for using On the Waterfront to justify his own betrayal and, even when he received his lifetime achievment award at the Oscars in 1999, there were many, including Nick Nolte who refused to applaud.

    But then all this, interesting as it may be, has about as much to do with the Sinn Féin Ard Fheis as your piece above. Still, any old excuse to shoot the breeze about the Golden Oldies, what ?

  • augustiner hell

    Off thread but this is where you’re at today so here’s those directions you asked for.

    Munsterview – 10 September 2011 at 7:46 pm.

    “AyaY… : “….An equally sickening piece of satire that would be funny if it weren’t true is that we have a self-confessed IRA man from south of the border …. ”

    “Could you please direct me to my particular posting where you claim that I have said just that ?”

    Thread:- The IRA campaign: not left wing but sectarian struggle.
    MV 7th sept 12:50pm
    “Well ‘nunof’… as an old IRA marching song has it, ” the Fenians knew no fear and the Fenians yet are here to defy the British Empire to the end
    This Provo is still here too!”

    I thought you were proud of it…ah well, that’s the problem with blarney.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Fascinating stuff Rory !!

  • Into the west

    Heinz
    Bigotry and republicanism are mutually exclusive aul chap.
    But you knew that already
    Just trying to get one in, weren’t you ? .. lol 😉

  • Rory Carr

    If you want “further and better particulars” (as m’learned friends would have it), Heinz, then you might like this piece which I dug up only after posting my piece above. It confirms a lot that I recall of what I learnt of the affair over the years and adds rather a good deal more, including the revelation that Kazan’s own son had refused an invitation to celebrate the anniversary tribute to the film and those involved in its production in Hoboken, New Jersey where the movie was shot. Apparently he was still angry with his father for his role in all the HUAC stuff and the way On the Waterfront was used as a tool of exoneration.

    There’s also a lot I didn’t know including Dalton Trumbo’s ( a great blacklisted screenwriter who went on to write the screenplay for Spartacus) later ability to forgive. Great stuff!

    http://bit.ly/qK6EeL

  • “a self appointed commission as pisser on the ‘Sinn Fein political tree’”

    Munsterview, you could have chosen a better day to be pissing into the wind 🙂

    There’s no need to obsess about my targeting of SF; it’s merely one of many targets.

    Judging by your assessment of SF problems in Moyle you appear to have limited knowledge of the actual workings of the SF machine. Perhaps when the PRM moves closer to democracy its victims will be able to get justice, the media will be free to report its misdemeanours and the police will no longer have to give immunity to its members, including the political ones.

  • Rory, I posted the ‘On the Waterfront’ link to demonstrate the links between the PRM and ‘corruption, extortion and racketeering’ and so to show the aptness of the setting. Later on I posted the disunity information about Moyle in contrast with the ‘unity’ in the thread title.

    Since I posted both I’ve heard that one of the successful candidates in Moyle gained almost 60% of his/her first preferences from postal votes. I wonder if that might be a record. Perhaps Pete Baker will have access to such statistics.

  • Munsterview

    augustiner hell : Off thread but this is where you’re at today so here’s those directions you asked for
    Munsterview – 10 September 2011 at 7:46 p.m..

    “AyaY… : “….An equally sickening piece of satire that would be funny if it weren’t true is that we have a self-confessed IRA man from south of the border …. ”

    “Could you please direct me to my particular posting where you claim that I have said just that ?”

    Thread:- The IRA campaign: not left wing but sectarian struggle.
    MV 7th sept 12:50pm
    “Well ‘nunof’… as an old IRA marching song has it, ” the Fenians knew no fear and the Fenians yet are here to defy the British Empire to the end
    This Provo is still here too!”

    I thought you were proud of it…ah well, that’s the problem with blarney.

    augustiner : The then Republican Movement ‘split’ in the late sixties/ early seventies on matters of political orientation,strategy and policy. The ‘dissenters’ to use a more modern term, in the IRA withdrew their allegiance from the Official command structure and set up a Provisional organization pending reorganization of the Republican Movement.

    The media, to distinguish between both factions of the Republican Movement, named the former Mainstream ‘Officials’ and the dissidents ‘ Provisionals’, which in turn soon became ‘Sticks’ and ‘Provos’ in common parlance.

    Sinn Fein split with the dissidents forming Provisional Sinn Fein.

    Fianna Eireann split with the dissidents forming a Provisional Fianna ( they would argue as they took the bulk of the organization with them they were pro-Provisionals rather than provisionals per se )

    Same with Cumann-na-mBan ( Republican’s women’s organization)

    Same with An Cuman Cabrach ( Prisoners Dependents support)

    Same with National Graves ( who looked after Republican plots and graves)

    All who took the dissidents side were known as Provos.

    With me so far?

    Since the term Provo was and remained a generic term, it can refer all of the above, to any grouping of the above or to an individual organization that is associated with the above grouping.

    augustiner : “MV 7th sept 12:50pm
    “Well ‘nunof’… as an old IRA marching song has it, ” the Fenians knew no fear and the Fenians yet are here to defy the British Empire to the end.

    So….o, I see, I quoted I quoted three lines from an IRA marching song and you assumed that I was an IRA man !

    If I had quoted three lines from ‘Master McGrath’ given that logic, would you have assumed that I was a greyhound?

    augustiner : ” This Provo is still here too!” Yes indeed he is. I have made no secret of my former Sinn Fein membership, my seat on the Ard Comhairle during some of this period or of my current support for Sinn Fein and its Leadership.

    As already explained the term Provo is generic and referred to each or all of the the individual sections that make up The Republican Movement. I have put on record my membership of Provo. Sinn Fein

    augustenier: ” I thought you were proud of it…ah well, that’s the problem with blarney.”

    I am indeed very proud of my time in Sinn Fein and the service I gave at all levels of Sinn Fein during this period.

    However back to your claim that “we have a self-confessed IRA man from south of the border …. ”, since this is slugger and not a Diplock Court or The Special Criminal Court where guilt is assumed until innocence is proven, if you advance a statement of fact and quote me as the author of same, then I return to my original question “…Could you please direct me to my particular posting where you claim that I have said just that ? ”

    ‘augustenier’ as membership of the IRA is illegal South of the Border and could have grave consequences including arrest and a trip before the Special Criminal Court, I must ask you to prove your claim. If you cannot then loth as I am to curtail free speech, I must refer the matter to Mick and request him to take disciplinary action against you on it !

  • Limerick

    Munster,

    So we have self confessed draft dodger from south of the border then.

  • Reader

    Limerick: So we have self confessed draft dodger from south of the border then
    As a security risk even in an empty room, I suspect he had a long standing exemption.

  • Munsterview

    Nevin : ” Judging by your assessment of SF problems in Moyle …”

    I have consistently taken the position on slugger that I will not comment on what I regard as the internal affairs of Sinn Fein or indeed any other section of the Republican Movement and this is especially so where the party concerned is hostile to Sinn Fein.

    So nothing new on my pass on what you claim are ‘SF problems in Moyle…”

    I know that you and the rest of the anti-Republican usual suspects are desperately attempting to take some of the gloss of Sinn Fein’s magnificent weekend performance but you can attempt to do so without any assistance on my part.

    Did not your mommas tell you that there would be days like this? I respectfully suggest that you learn to live with them, there will be a lot more like them coming down the line when Martin McGuiness is leader of the biggest political party in the Assembly and all that entails !

    Unlike a certain yellow card, I say what I have to say and stand over it. Neither do I have to resort to a different alias depending on the post or other subterfuge to get my point across.

  • Rory Carr

    Nevin,

    I understood the way you intended for the reference to the film On the Waterfront to apply, it was just that I cpu;d not let such an easy assumption about its inspiration go unchallenged – too much history around that particular movie.

    But I suppose I do owe an apology for straying off-topic (well, off the main topic at least but maybe just sliding within bounds by touching upon a point raised to support a contention? No? Maybe?).

    So just to make it up here is a little related piece for all who have commented upon the Árd Fheis, all those who have covered the Waterfront…

    http://bit.ly/nc88Ov

  • Limerick

    Munster,

    Where was this ‘magnificant weekend performance’? What happened?

    Has martin McGuinness joined the DUP?

  • Dec

    Alex Kane’s single transferable column aside (Darwin, if you’re listening I can knock out a weekly column stating the UK will exist beyond eternity for around half his fee – say £20) – his line and the title of this thread makes no sense whatsoever. Surely the main city in the part of Ireland that is still part of the UK is the most approriate setting to ‘prepare for Irish unity’?

  • augustiner hell

    Ah Munster, you’re such an entertaining fellow, I have this picture in my head of you sitting in your study with a woolly cardi hammering away at your keyboard putting many a foe to the sword.
    However..just to clear you up on the odd point or two,
    I grew up in Co.Armagh in the 60s and 70s, I am perfectly aware of what the term ‘provo’ meant so spare me your blarney.
    I included the lines from your ira marching song to provide a little context so you could find the relevant text.
    It was not my ‘claim’ that “we have a self-confessed IRA man from south of the border …. ” but AyeYerMa’s,
    altough his claim certainly seems to be justified by your
    “This Provo is still here too!” line.
    Maybe you should pay more attention to what you both write and read.
    And by all means, refer the matter to whoever you wish.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Good stuff Rory. One of my favourite films of all time,I said all time.:-)

  • Munsterview

    Augustiner : “….Maybe you should pay more attention to what you both write and read….”

    As an experienced Paralegal I already do just that ! Could you my good Doctor now take a deep quaff of your own recommended medicine ?

    aug… “..It was not my ‘claim’ that…..”

    In academic terms when you take a claim and use that claim to support your own proposition or contention without caveat or qualification, then implicitly you are adopting and endorsing it !

    Thems the rules old son, no cop out there for you I am afraid.

  • “taken the position on slugger that I will not comment on what I regard as the internal affairs of Sinn Fein”

    Munsterview, the internal and external affairs of the PRM and its various wings are inextricably linked. I thought it ironical that Kane was talking about SF’s preparation for Irish unity when the party is falling apart at the seams in Moyle.

  • augustiner hell

    Well, you’ve really put me on the spot now MV, what to do?
    One more time I guess…you asked a question of AyeYerMa
    “Could you please direct me to my particular posting where you claim that I have said just that ?” and I answered it. Now you could maybe get me for sticking my nose in and answering a question not directed at me personally but, apart from the fact that that does tend to happen on an open forum, I too had noticed your “This Provo is still here” comment and had momentarily raised an eyebrow at it until I chided myself.. “ah, it’s that notorious old fox Munsterview”.
    But yes, that comment following on from your ira song and in the context of Northern Ireland is loud and clear I would say.
    So, on with it you legal eagle, have me up before the Good Court Fealty.

  • Munsterview

    aug : as laid out in the reply any one of six organizations could have used the prefix ‘Provisional’ before their organizational names and accordingly the ‘Provo’ lable had a broad range of applications.

    That Mick threat was tounge in cheek. If I survived more than a few three am cell interviews in my day without admitting anything, I was hardly going to use slugger for a full confession…….that is of course if there was something to confess to, which has yet to be established.

  • Alias

    “…that is of course if there was something to confess to, which has yet to be established.”

    Ah yes, the infamous unsolved case of the clothes line lingerie bandit…

  • Munsterview

    Alias : “…Ah yes, the infamous unsolved case of the clothes line lingerie bandit…”

    You may be able to assist with that Alias, if the Isralie Defence Force officers were capable of stealing stealing and selling laptops, two way radios and credit cards ( which they illegialy used ) from the Palastine Relief Workers in the Turkish Ship, they could not be trusted around lingerie.

    Any of your buddies over recently for the usual R & R and can you account for their movements while here ? The lowdown types that did this were without moral fiber and capable of anything !

    http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=20094

  • Limerick

    “If I survived more than a few three am cell interviews in my day without admitting anything, I was hardly going to use slugger for a full confession…….that is of course if there was something to confess to, which has yet to be established.”

    Munster,

    So shamed by the draft dodger label you have bnow reverted back to your international man of mystery persona.

  • Munsterview

    Limerick : MV, 10 September 2011 at 12:54 am “You may continue with your waster activities for as long as you please but you will not waste any more time of mine. So over to you and the ‘useful idiots’ and your ‘game’!”

  • Limerick

    Munster,

    Please do continue with your Pooterish articles. 🙂

  • augustiner hell

    You’re up and about early today munster.
    Very well, that’s fine by me if you want to let the case rest. I’ve had fun…so it’s goodbye from me and “This Provo’s still here!” from you. Up and at em munster.

  • Munsterview

    augustiner : “…. Up and at em munster……”

    Ironic in the circumstances, this was a battle cry of the old Munster Fusileers !

  • babyface finlayson

    Nevin and Rory Carr
    I wonder is Gerry Adams thinking of Marlon Brando’s famous line from ‘On the Waterfront’.
    “I could have been a bartender”, I think it was.