Row over opening changing rooms in Bushmills

The official opening of new changing rooms at the Dundarave Playing Fields in Bushmills was postponed last night due to a protest by local people. The Chair of Bushmills council, independent (former SF) councillor Padraig McShane, was due to conduct the official opening of the facility. The specific objections to Cllr. McShane seem to be due to his recent attempts to twin the council with Gaza and also remarks he is said to have made about the Twelfth in Ballycastle which according to the Belfast Telegraph he called an “unsavoury event”.

From the News Letter:

The council chairman told the News Letter that the Twelfth parade in Ballycastle was harmful to community relations there. However the Parades Commission determination for the event this year praised organisers for its “dignified, orderly and peaceful manner” in years gone by and added that the commission was “pleased that their intervention in the parade is not warranted” in 2011.
Meanwhile, a meeting of Moyle council was stopped on Monday when unionist councillors expressed opposition to Mr McShane’s motion to twin the district with Gaza. Mr McShane closed the meeting for 15 minutes after facing a series of questions by unionist councillors on his proposal. Mr Graham said the council was more divided than he had ever seen it after the proposal. Despite no agreement having been reached on the matter, six officials from Gaza are expected to arrive in Moyle in October

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McShane claimed that the protest had been organised by the UDA. (From the Belfast Telegraph):

“I had prior warning that a protest was to take place in Bushmills while I was to open the new changing rooms at Dundarave in the village,” he said.
“Police informed me that they had met with UDA representatives in the area who indicated that they would stop the event.
“I remain committed to representing all the people of Moyle including Bushmills and refuse to bow to the bully boy tactics of the UDA and their sidekicks.”

According to the News Letter, however:

A PSNI spokesman said that around 80 people took part in a protest, which was policed by 10 officers. He said the event passed off without incident and did not support claims from Mr McShane of paramilitary involvement in the protest.

UTV have a brief online TV report here.

  • keano10

    So he is an Independent councillor then..

    Nothing to do with Sinn Fein, in fact…

  • oracle

    Turgon,

    How do we know the people in the video were ratepayers from the area

  • Dec

    Oracle

    I too was wondering how Turgon determined the protestors were ‘local’. Still it’s hard to imagine how people would get so incensed about a twinning proposal (or more accurately, a Nationalist councillor daring to voice an opinion) without some determined stoking of the flames. Past experience tells me that whenever a Unionist rent-a-mob appears, there’s some obscure cllr lurking around. Step forward, Cllr Graham.

    The irony of all this is that Turgon appears to be presenting this incident as a minor triumph of good over evil.

  • With Bushmills often lauded as one of NI’s few tourist hotspots, there’s a certain amount of irony in the Discover Northern Ireland Ad appearing just before the UTV report.

  • Turgon, I’m very disappointed that you haven’t linked to NALIL blog 🙂

  • sonofstrongbow

    The protestors were probably as ‘local’ as those who petrol bomb police and others at Ardoyne.

    The Bushmills incident does raise an interesting matter. Who is being economical with the truth? The police don’t seem to support the UDA involvement yet McShane claims the police told him they had had a meeting with “UDA representatives”.

    Of course having heard Republicans and the PUP making common cause on Radio Ulster’s Talkback programme at lunchtime perhaps McShane knows the UDA when he sees them.

    On the substantive point, the protest against McShane keeping out of Bushmills avoided an “unsavoury event” for the local community.

  • And here’s a blog from just over a year ago where Paudie’s sister Cara, the then SF Chair of Moyle DC, attended a ceremony in Bushmills with fellow councillor William Graham (UUP) without a protester in sight. Cara is wearing her chain of office and Willie is standing directly behind. Cara and Willie were the only two of the fifteen councillors to make an appearance.

  • pauluk

    No question, Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of Gaza. It was pretty straightforward, actually, for them, because their opposition had either fled to the West Bank or were thrown off rooftops. Kind of limits your choice of candidates, wouldn’t you say? Or maybe that happened after they came to power. Well, never mind, we get the picture.

    And are these the people Mr McShane wants to bring to Northern Ireland?

  • tinman

    The Belfast Telegraph is calling it a ‘loyalist protest’.

  • Reader

    Turgon : objections to Cllr. McShane seem to be due to his recent attempts to twin the council with Gaza…
    Probably that is his contribution to boosting the American tourist and golfing trade on the north coast and Glens of Antrim. Because Americans love Gaza, don’t they? How could the locals possibly object to such a brilliant scheme?

  • Nunoftheabove

    Think we should all calm down a little here peeps; sure it’s not all that long since the rest of us experienced indoor plumbing for the first time either so a little over-excitement about a public convenience is probably to be expected.

    Wurzel things happen at sea.

  • Cynic2

    Given the financial crisis we face these buffoons waste money twinning with Gaza? There goes another couple of binmen or nurses. We cant afford to bury you granny but here’s free Palestinian flag love?

  • michael-mcivor

    Given the financial and crime crisis its a shame that 10 cops were took off other duty’s to police those loyalists-

  • between the bridges

    micheal-mcivor…could i ask you-if you believe- resident protest groups-to be a good -or-a bad thing?

  • andnowwhat

    Indeed Michael Mc Ivor and let’s not forget the racist attacks in the area.

  • lamhdearg

    storm in a piss pot.

  • bumper14

    Bushmills is the jewel in the crown of that Moyle backwater.
    I wonder what all you whisky wolfers think of the oldest distillery sponsoring the tribal GAA?

  • vanhelsing

    @ michael-mcivor “Given the financial and crime crisis its a shame that 10 cops were took off other duty’s to police those loyalists-”

    Which wouldn’t have happened if McShane hadn’t of suggested the expensive process of ‘Twining’ with the ‘capital’ of Hamas in a publicity stunt aimed at raising tensions in the area and on the council. Pity he wasn’t still in SF but I doubt they mourn the loss:)

  • lamhdearg

    whiskey.

  • lamhdearg

    i drink whisky.

  • babyface finlayson

    Not too sure about all this twinning business. I suppose it is not meant to be a divisive political statement. It’s a pity Mr. McShane couldn’t have thought of somewhere a bit more neutral. Maybe somewhere in Switzerland.

  • bumper14

    Whiskey or whisky, is it not all the same?

  • bumper14

    McShane was looking for a headline- Moyle and Gaza!
    its like Kosovo and Cleethorpes.

  • michael-mcivor

    between the bridges-

    people are allowed to protest in peace- but it helps if any
    protest group would have their own marshals to help keep everything calm- it seems there was no marshals at the bushmills protest- so there was problems-

  • lamhdearg

    not on my buds, to me whiskey is like whisky with a little water added, but i do not like water in my whisky, so i only drink whisky and not whiskey.

  • lamhdearg

    Maybe some dinbat unionist should twin derry with london, and see where that gets them.

  • lamhdearg

    iris cleared?, i still think he’s a cad.

  • babyface finlayson

    Bumper14
    One is Scottish, one is Irish.

  • Mark

    ” Two large Bushmills darlin ” orders Harold’s bagman as he celebrates ripping off the Provos ……. The Long Good Friday .

  • lamhdearg

    what happened to him, Mark.

  • Mark

    Carved up by the worst 007 on record while swimming ..

  • lamhdearg

    while swimming, is that what they call it nowdays, great theme tune.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Gaza 500,000 Ballycastle 5,000 dosn’t sound like twin cities to me, crackpot idea designed to be divisive.

    I’m sure Bushmills can manage 80 angry individuals, (without any paramilitary involvement as the police have stated) with the locals more concerned about the insults and bigotry the Mayor directed towards them on the Twelfth in the Borough town, he made it clear they wern’t welcome there, so can you blame them for not wanting him in their town? The Gaza thing is a side issue, a silly petty un-necessary one at that.

  • Mark

    I was just listening to it …..brilliant .

  • galloglaigh

    Scots whisky is distilled twice, while Irish whiskey is triple distilled. That’s not always the case, but it’s a general rule.

    Again we see ‘loyalists’ attacking the democratic process. It’s a pity people can’t accept that republicans also share (political power in) this land, and we’re not going away ye know!

  • michael-mcivor

    the long good friday- the Provos won at the end of the film-
    our long good friday agreement- Provos to win again-

  • Mark

    Lamhdearg ,

    There is a whiskey inn Thailand called Locow . Strongest Whiskey I ever drunk . 100 Baht ( 2 euro ) …. before I drank it , I was warned about it’s affects but took no notice . A month later the father in law brought me to the local Monk who tatooed a message on my arm with a bamboo which read – NO LOCOW !

  • The Raven

    “Bushmills is the jewel in the crown of that Moyle backwater.”

    I really hope that was said in jest. Or should I just take it that you haven’t seen the dereliction in the village. Nevin should be able to cast more light on that, without naming any particularly litigious developers. 😉

  • Is Another Day Another Minister what you had in mind, The Raven? It will be interesting to see how Alex Attwood, the new DOE minister, handles developers and some of the vagaries of the planning process. The local focus currently is on Carrickmore Road, Ballycastle, and the clachan called Torr both of which will be a test of the minister’s mettle.

  • Cynic2

    “the long good friday- the Provos won at the end of the film-
    our long good friday agreement- Provos to win again-”

    Michael

    I have to agree. The Provo volunteers won their disbandment. SF won British seats in a British parliament with a guarantee that there will not be a united Ireland in the next 2 generations. Oh yes …and a 93% vote in the Republic to remove the Constitutional Claim.

    The SF leadership won a British Ministerial Car, a British Expense account an d a nice British Office in a British Parliament where they can gaze down the drive at the statue of Carson

    What a victory!!!

    I suggest you try going to bed earlier, then getting up earlier so you can smell the coffee.

  • sonofstrongbow

    A Republican makes sectarian comments about unionists and when he attempts to come into a unionist village the locals mount a protest. This is “‘loyalists’ attacking the democratic process”?

    Is the ‘host community’ in Bushmills not permitted to comment or is that reserved for the likes of McShane alone? By the way I thought Republicans were big into folks only going where they were wanted?

    Personally seeing an ‘ex’ shinner down the local convenience would be no problem for me. I’d cheer to be at that event.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Lets twin Lurgan with Tel Aviv.
    See how that one goes down,huh ? 😉

  • Cynic2

    “but it helps if any protest group would have their own marshals to help keep everything calm”

    Michael

    Us Unionists don’t actually rely on having a group of thugs to tell us what we do. It’s down to having free will and being able to protest about what we want, not just what the ‘leadership’ tell us we are allowed to

  • Glensman

    bumper14
    25 August 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Bushmills is the jewel in the crown of that Moyle backwater.
    I wonder what all you whisky wolfers think of the oldest distillery sponsoring the tribal GAA?

    I think you’ll find Cushendall, Cushendun and Glenarriff are the jewels in that particular crown. Bushmills has a distillery, apart from it and a model railway it has painted curbstones and flags that only welcome some and discourage the rest.

    and Moyle is Hardly a backwater, you must be one of those people who think the world resides between Lisburn and Glengormely!

  • michael-mcivor

    Cynic 2-

    You said- and a 93% vote in the republic to remove the
    constitutional claim-

    Speaking for myself- i like the new wording of articles
    2and 3 in the agreement- i dont like those who never read said agreement but still give a opinion-

  • JR

    ‘… with a guarantee that there will not be a united Ireland in the next 2 generations.’

    I for one am confident there will be some form of a united Ireland in this generation. Single health service, fire service, electricity network, gas network, poliece service, roads service, tax system, etc.

    The British taxpayer will not continue to fund the ineficiencies brought about by partition forever. If we had to pay for it ourselves we would all opt for the cheapest most efficient system.

  • Neil

    Reader,

    Probably that is his contribution to boosting the American tourist and golfing trade on the north coast and Glens of Antrim. Because Americans love Gaza, don’t they? How could the locals possibly object to such a brilliant scheme?

    Well if it’s emotive enough to keep Americans away (which I doubt) then it’s emotive enough to draw in some visitors from countries which by and large sympathise with Palestinians (as many Americans do)?

    Given non North American visitors number 90% of the total (http://www.nitb.com/FileHandler.ashx?id=1684) and using your own logic this is then a strategic Tourism master stroke.

    All that said it’s clearly a divisive issue, but then that’s never been a barrier in the past. Parades are a divisive issue though I don’t see too many of the commentors above suggesting we don’t bother doing it as it’s divisive. If you guys drop parading about in Nationalist areas, directly leading to civil disorder, huge policing bill (14 million a year for Drumcree – thanks Orangemen!) we’ll drop any twinning plans for the future.

    As to the cost, I can find no reference online as to how much it costs, though an application form can be dowloaded easily, and it seems on success an award of up to 150k is possible.

    So happy days all round then, we can turn a profit, and all those tourists who pick their destinations only in countries where every district, town and village openly displays their agreeable political views on the Middle East will flock here (well over 70% of our tourists are from within Europe), we can clean up on this.

    It’s a shame the concerns over money didn’t display themselves about ten years ago when it cost 14 million quid a year to police Drumcree alone (never mind the fact that most shops had to close and the costs of policing the rest of the 12th, cleaning up bonfires etc.). We could have saved a fortune. And laughably back in those days we had the lie saying this was good for our economy, the same one we hear now.

    Still it’s a shame your concerns about cash didn’t materialise a bit earlier and we could have saved 100 million quid from Drumcree alone – that would have emptied your bin for a while eh Cynic?

  • between the bridges

    M-M…cheers for-the reply-marshals are the-key-to residents protests- you say-and there’s-silly old me-thinking a lack of-imported rent-a-mob-armed with petrol bombs-was the key-i look forward-to your condemnation-of future non marshaled residents protests-as for victory-somewhat- pyrrhic -do you not think?

  • vanhelsing

    @Neil,

    Classic whataboutery:)
    “All that said it’s clearly a divisive issue, but then that’s never been a barrier in the past. Parades are a divisive issue though I don’t see too many of the commentors above suggesting we don’t bother doing it as it’s divisive. If you guys drop parading about in Nationalist areas, directly leading to civil disorder, huge policing bill (14 million a year for Drumcree – thanks Orangemen!) we’ll drop any twinning plans for the future.”

    So since you’ve opened up that line – I wonder how much the IRA terrorist campaign cost Northern Ireland, firstly in human life and then fiscal cost?

    See where whataboutery gets you…:)

  • Neil

    It’s not whataboutery. People are rightly saying it’s a divisive issue and I’m using an example of a divisive issue that people like yourself are happy to ignore as it as it suits them. It’s directly related to this discussion. Or did someone send round a memo that we weren’t allowed to reference previous or current directly relevant issues to a current discussion.

    The IRA campaign cost the NI state a fortune, exactly as it was designed to do. If Republicans and the IRA could have made it cost more they would have done so.

  • Barnshee

    It is a sad reflection on our society that the desperate condition of the Palestinians, which should be a concern for all of us, falls into the usual prod / mick quarrel.
    Alignment with SF destroys any sympathy in the unionist community and the despicable conduct of Israel escapes without criticism
    The underpinning idea -support for the Palestinians (who have been abused by Israel since 1947) is valid . It Is a pity that the message is rejected because of the messenger `s past associations.. There might be a lesson there for the messenger.

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/uproar-at-moyle-district-council-over-gaza-plan-16040356.html#ixzz1W8EFD4kb

  • Neil

    It Is a pity that the message is rejected because of the messenger `s past associations.. There might be a lesson there for the messenger.

    And maybe one for the recipient of the message. Don’t abandon human decency because you want to disagree with the other guy.

    The only message I can see for Republicans is that we should stay silent on issues we have an opinion on so Unionists don’t feel obliged to oppose that opinion. That’s childish behaviour, and not one I’d have thought Unionists likely of, i.e. not being stubborn enough to say ‘we believe what we believe regardless of your view’.

  • galloglaigh

    I love the seats in a British Parliament argument. It’s an Irish parliament in Ireland. Britain is the (big) island to our east. It’s a pity we’re still occupied by the British government, but that’s a provisional arrangement.

    You must realise that nationalists gains are unionist losses:

    The War of Independence

    The end of the gerrymandered unionist government

    The Civil Rights movement

    The decline of the UUP

    The DUP forced to share power with Sinn Fein

    Many unionist losses, versus many nationalist gains

    Should I go on?

  • Mike the First

    “Still it’s hard to imagine how people would get so incensed about a twinning proposal (or more accurately, a Nationalist councillor daring to voice an opinion)”

    MOPE alert.

  • vanhelsing

    Neil,

    I’m happy to let other commentators decide:)

    Not to get sidetracked – this whole idea was a pure publicity stunt. Well he’s got his publicity and I refer again to the wisdom [perceived] of suggesting ‘twining’ with the capital of a Hamas run government and the inherent costs therein. Promote him! Oh no wait he doesn’t have a party…

  • Neil

    I’m happy to let other commentators decide:)

    Well my point was that the ludicrous suggestion that American tourists would stay away because of this is a bit of a moot point as they make up 10% of our tourists, versus more than 70% of tourists coming from elsewhere.

    My secondary point is that it seems very cheap and if succesful would lead to a grant of up to 150k, so the (ignored when it suits ya) issue of money is also moot.

    So I’m happy to let other commentors decide (i’ve provded a link for the tourist figures, google will provide the EU page on applying for twinning with another city.

    this whole idea was a pure publicity stunt. Well he’s got his publicity

    Agreed.

    and I refer again to the wisdom [perceived] of suggesting ‘twining’ with the capital of a Hamas run government and the inherent costs therein.

    The Capital of a government? Is London the Capital city of the Tories?

    Costs? What costs? I can’t find any reference to costs on the EU page, only grants, cash awards man! Money coming in, presumably from the tone of your posts you’re no right behind the idea as it won’t cost much and could bring in a nice windfall.

    Finally, it’s very much up to Gazans to decide who to elect. I know this is a recent idea for Unionism, accepting the will of the people here was a big first step. Now all you have to do is respect democracy in other countries and you’ve completed your conversion from the pre 1972 regime where Unionists gerrymandered their way into power and ran the country for their benefit and the detriment of the indigenous Nationalist population to a fully rounded politically mature democratist.

  • sonofstrongbow

    As someone who uses a name of a group who did a bit of travelling around them I’m surprised that the gallowglass’ geography is so poor. This island group is the British Isles so we are all British. We can also lay claim to the smaller constituent parts of the British Isles and call ourselves Scottish, Irish, Manx or even an Aran or Rathlin Islander.

    As for Gaza. If Hamas ever get as far as Ballycastle perhaps they’ll be able to give some pointers to their hosts on lobbing missiles into Bushmills. That appears to be very much their forte as regards their own local neighbours.

  • galloglaigh

    It’s funny, that before partition, IRISH unionists such as Carson and Craig were Irish and willing to fight for Ireland, yet their present day unionist brethren can’t and won’t accept their Irishness. Are you suggesting that people from Kerry are British? We do of course belong to the British Isles, and they were once a French colony. Are we also French? The British people live in Britain, and the Irish live in Ireland. It still doesn’t take away from the fact, that unionism has lost its iron fist grip on Ireland (north and south), and what they have lost, nationalists have gained. This phenomenon started with Daniel O’Connell, and will continue. Unionism is in retreat, and nationalism will provail!

  • galloglaigh

    P.S SonofStrongbow

    Your mother was the daughter of the Gaelic king of Leinster!

    The Sons of Strongbow were half Gaelic!

  • sonofstrongbow

    Gallowglass,

    I’ve no problem whatsoever claiming my ‘Irishness’. I draw the line well short of fascistic sectarian Irish nationalism, but everyone to their own I’m sure you more than feel at home.

    I do think that my tribe’s arrival all those years ago did improve the gene pool.

    As to nationalism gaining, surpassing what happens when you stop murdering your neighbours, I bet you this green field will still be in the UK when you, and I, are dust.

    Btw is “provail” some Provo thing?

  • galloglaigh

    And of course your argument of sectarian Irish applies to both Irish unionists, as well as Irish nationalists.

    Don’t forget our centuries long conflict was not a one sided affair. The Brits also played a sectarian role, didn’t they!

    P.S. Sorry about the typo, I’m on the Blackberry.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Was just looking up the “democratic credentials” of Hamas, it would appear that their electoral mandate has expired over a year ago, likewise the Fatah President’s mandate by over two years, of course despite a reported massive drop in their popularity Hamas would probably still win in Gaza having liquidated almost all opposition, I can’t see any “cross party” delegation arriving to cement the twinning process.

    More relevant however is the question, why are Irish Nationalist obcessed with the Palistinian question? there are massive amounts of injustice all over the world, many of those areas have much more in common with Ireland, historically, geographically, culturally or even religiously, does it purely stem from the “brothers in arms” mentality of international terrorism or does it originate with the thinly disguised anti-semitism of the loony left?

  • HeinzGuderian

    Guys,get a room FFS !!!

  • Barnshee

    “Many unionist losses, versus many nationalist gains”

    Other than havein a few act as british ministers and their MLA`s doing quite well out of the british tax payer what exactly have nationalists gained ?

    Reply from Daniel Oconnell to road labourer who asked “will ireland be free” ?

    “What do you care you’ll still be a labourer”

  • HeinzGuderian

    Drumlin,I have asked that question many a time,and am still waiting on an answer.
    The hatred of the catholic church for all things Jewish,(except Jebus,of course),has been going on for Century’s,and manifests itself today in this nat/rep hatred of Israel.

    Strange,to say the least.

  • PaulT

    Just to point out that Hamas won a majority in an election that covered the whole territory not jut Gaza and their majority was not confined to Gaza.

    Outside influences (democratic states) before during and after the election tried to nullify the democratic result to the extent of arming the losers.

    didn’t bother to post on another petty squabble on Slugger until the reference to Daniel O Connell and got a bit annoyed that a glaring example of brute force over the will of the people should be treated in a casual fashion. Might be worthwhile reading about the man and how his movement was treated before accusing others.

    Incidently the Palestinians allocate seats to christians to ensure representation, this includes Hamas, sadly Israel is determined to be a Jewish country only. Democratic countries eh, as Mick sez you couldn’t make it up

  • PaulT

    And the final addition, really surprised that Gaza would consider been twinned with the place I’m guessing there is a financial incentive for Hamas getting involved in the whole idea, if their voters find out I sure they’ll start a campaign against it

  • Reader

    PaulT: Incidently the Palestinians allocate seats to christians to ensure representation, this includes Hamas, sadly Israel is determined to be a Jewish country only. Democratic countries eh, as Mick sez you couldn’t make it up
    You forgot to mention how many token Christians and Jews have been given seats by Hamas.
    You also seem to believe that the Knesset only contains Jews, and is elected by a Jewish electorate – wrong on both counts.

  • Neil

    More relevant however is the question, why are Irish Nationalist obcessed with the Palistinian question?

    And why are Loyalists/Unionists so obsessed with defending Israel, even when the rest of the world sees their actions as murderous?

    I suppose, in answer to both questions that Nationalists and Unionists can see some parallels between their community and that of the Palestinians/Israelis.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Neil, they aren’t, apart from a very fringe element, and a few Fundie’s, the former mainly as a counter reaction to the PLO/hamas/IRA infatuation, the latter on a particular version of escatology interpretion. As for your accusation that Unionist are murderous oppressors, pot..kettle…black.

    Back to the original question, WHY Palastinians??? there are hundreds of other groups to choose from.

  • HeinzGuderian

    ‘Is it me or is there something strange about someone who styles himself after a Nazi general and probable war criminal in Poland talking about anti-semitism?’

    It’s you !! 😉

    The quest for an honest answer continues…………

  • Neil

    As for your accusation that Unionist are murderous oppressors, pot..kettle…black.

    Sorry but that was not my intended inference. It seems that some will defend the Israelis no matter what they do, by no means are todays Unionists a patch on the Israelis and I wouldn’t suggest it.

    Back to the original question, WHY Palastinians??? there are hundreds of other groups to choose from.

    And many of them have been ‘chosen’. Basques for example. I’d say the main reason for the Palestinian interest is that the current batch of troubles over there are recent, and broadcast into our homes. We can see the Palestinians being forced from their land with violence which, like it or not, is what happened here some years back. And we can strongly sympathise with civilians being murdered by the state security forces of the state that forced them from their land in the first place.

    Don’t think it takes much empathy to understand why Unionists/Loyalists express a preference for the Israelis due to the shared experience of terrorism. I would have thought the reverse was equally simple, to understand the obvious parallels between Republicans and Palestinians.

  • Kevsterino

    Drumlins Rock, in answer to your question, I wonder if it has anything to do with the issue of dispossession of the land of Palestine combined with the British Israel thing portrayed by that Star of David on so many loyalist banners I’ve seen. Just a thought.

  • PaulT

    “Drumlin,I have asked that question many a time,and am still waiting on an answer.
    The hatred of the catholic church for all things Jewish,(except Jebus,of course),has been going on for Century’s,and manifests itself today in this nat/rep hatred of Israel.

    Strange,to say the least.”

    Very strange, but when you consider it was an English king who signed off the first holocaust, and Protestant Germany who chucked catholic priests into the concentration camps alongside the Jews, I also seem to recall that Godless communist Russia was fairly anti-Jewish, as was the USA, its not so strange afterall.

    In short, yes, a catholic Shakespeare wrote the Merchant of Venice, but it was lapped up by a Protestant audience.

    Summary, sadly, Jews have been victimised throughout history, however, you only want to use their victimisation as a means to attack others, therefore, your post is bigotry in all its glory, kinda what you’re accusing the catholic church off

  • galloglaigh

    Just a point on international terrorism: the British government are the World’s largest international terrorist organisation, and have been for centuries. History tells us that.

  • HeinzGuderian

    @ paulty

    Indeed not sir. I ask in all humility.
    As you well know,the Jewish people have been persecuted by the catholic church,down through the centuries. I am merely trying to understand,WHY ?

    This English King,who signed off on the first Holocaust ……….what religion was he ?
    What religion was Adolf ?
    Who was the man who permitted Jews back into England for the first time in 300 years ?
    Who were the main victims of The Inquisition ?

    I could go on,but I’ll let you answer a few of those first.

    Again I ask,not through bigotry of cheap point scoring………..why have catholics got this pathological hatred of Israel and all things Jewish ?

  • HeinzGuderian

    ‘Just a point on international terrorism: the British government are the World’s largest international terrorist organisation, and have been for centuries. History tells us that.’

    Ayeee……….I guess that would explain the Commonwealth of Nations,huh ?? 😉

  • HeinzGuderian

    Like I said before, unionism is in retreat, and nationalism is filling in the gaps. I also like the anti-semitism argument from the contributor whose name comes from a Nazi. Only a unionist eah!

    Unionism is so much in retreat that a ui looks likely by 2016 🙂
    Indeed the nat/reps are filling in the gaps…………and P45’s 😉

    I also like the clearing of throat arguments from the contributor whose name sounds like a lethal dose of Man Flu. Only a nat/rep MOPE,huh ?? 😉

  • galloglaigh

    “why have catholics got this pathological hatred of Israel and all things Jewish ?”

    Why have Irish Protestants got this pathological hatred of Ireland and all things Irish?

    The Jewish people have been wrongly persecuted, but now they have turned aggressor. Their aggression is now being felt by innocent Gazans. Why? Because they voted for Hamas. It’s a bit pathetic considering what the Jewish people have come through in the last century.

    Next month will see an escalation of Israeli terrorism, if not a new war in the Middle East. Why? Because the case will be made by many many UN states, for a Palestinian statehood. Something they will achieve over the next few years!

  • babyface finlayson

    Neil
    Surely the point is that twinning should be something that people can unite behind, rather than an opportunity to rile the other side? Mr McShane is Chair of the council is he not? Maybe he should try acting for all the people he is representing.
    This is not about who are the good guys or bad guys in the Middle East, but doing the best for your people.

  • Brian

    Why the hell does he want to be twinnedup with Gaza?

    Where religious police go around beating those who dare to dance to music? Where the political opposition was killed and chased out of town? Where kids are taught at a young that suicide bombing is the most honorable thing to do?

    I hate when SF does crap like this. No one elected you on your views about Israel/Palestine, or Basque country, or whatever. Focus on NI, we have enough problems.

  • michael-mcivor

    Its good to see so many unionists supporting Israel whose
    armed groups kicked the brit army out-

    The same unionists could end up supporting Republicans for doing the same-

  • HeinzGuderian

    gaggaggagag

    Your whataboutery is not answering the question,old chap !! 😉

  • HeinzGuderian

    MnM

    You may not have heard,but pira surrendered !! 😉

    gaggaggagla

    So you hate all things British AND Israeli ?
    Anyone else you would like to add to your hate fest ? 😉

  • Munsterview

    A bit of relevant reading for anyone interested !

    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/content/reflections-peace-process

  • Limerick

    “Well if it’s emotive enough to keep Americans away (which I doubt) then it’s emotive enough to draw in some visitors from countries which by and large sympathise with Palestinians (as many Americans do)?”

    Neil,

    But would this sudden influx of Jihadis be beneficial to the Moyle area? What if they were to pick up on the fact that Shannon was being used by the Crusader war machine, or that the Irish army was languishing in Camp Bastion awaiting a task? Might that not have negative consequences for the island as a whole?

  • PaulT

    “You also seem to believe that the Knesset only contains Jews, and is elected by a Jewish electorate – wrong on both counts.”

    True, but they’re working on it. over 20% of the population is Arab, but only 12 of 120 seats and roughly 6% of the civil service.

    And my statement will soon be 100% correct

    “Attempts to ban Arab political parties

    Amendment 9 to the ‘Basic Law: The Knesset and the Law of Political Parties’, states that a political party “may not participate in the elections if there is in its goals or actions a denial of the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people, a denial of the democratic nature of the state, or incitement to racism. A number of attempts were done to disqualify Arab parties based on this rule, however as of 2010, all such attempts were either rejected by the Israeli Central Elections Committee or overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court.”

  • Reader

    PaulT: …all such attempts were either rejected by the Israeli Central Elections Committee or overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court.
    It was a mistake for you to leave that bit in your quote, since it undermined your claim!
    So far as I can see, several of the Arab MPs(?) support the 2 state solution, so they aren’t going to be kicked out without kicking out several other parties too.
    In addition, the Knesset is elected on the party list system, with a 2% threshold. There is probably not a more proportional system in operation anywhere else. The Israeli Palestinians, if they are voting at all, aren’t all voting as you would probably wish. Maybe the rest of them are too comfortable inside the borders of the state?

  • HeinzGuderian

    “You also seem to believe that the Knesset only contains Jews, and is elected by a Jewish electorate – wrong on both counts.”

    True, but they’re working on it. over 20% of the population is Arab, but only 12 of 120 seats and roughly 6% of the civil service.

    And my statement will soon be 100% correct’

    Ye gads. As Mick says,you couldn’t make it up !!! 🙂

  • lamhdearg

    A senior American diplomat reportedly warned on Friday that the United States would cut aid to the Palestinian Authority if it asks the United Nations to recognise a Palestinian state next month.

    Daniel Rubinstein, the US consul general in Jerusalem, said the United States would veto any resolution in the Security Council. He threatened “punitive measures” .

  • vanhelsing

    @ gallolaigh “Just a point on international terrorism: the British government are the World’s largest international terrorist organisation, and have been for centuries. History tells us that.”

    Really 🙂 this gives us an insight into the warped republican mind!

  • “The Chair of Bushmills council, independent (former SF) councillor Padraig McShane”

    Turgon, I think you meant Moyle District Council. Paudie is playing silly buggers. There are several local issues at the moment that Councillors need to act collectively on, including the behaviour of the agents of North Down developer Alan Fraser at Carrickmore Road, Ballycastle and the little clachan at Torr. What is most probably an ancient funereal monument has just been demolished at Torr and Fraser’s agents have been attempting to get Roads Service to abandon part of a public road and to bully the Council into acquiescing to it. Alan is the son of the late Fred Fraser who has featured in Irisgate so the behaviour of Moyle DUP councillors is being watched with interest!

  • The chairman’s lack of diplomatic skills also led to the cancellation of a Townscape Heritage Initiative event in Bushmills on Friday past.