Bread, and circuses…

After a third night of attacks on police in nationalist areas across Northern Ireland, the NI First and deputy First Ministers have emerged to warn about some people’s “complacency about the peace process”.  From the BBC report

Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness met at Stormont Castle on Thursday to discuss recent rioting.

Mr Robinson said “as a society we have begun to get a bit careless about how hard won the peace was”.

Mr McGuinness said the riots “should shake some people out of their complacency about the peace process”.

Eh?  Which “people” do you have in mind, Martin?  And how is “vandalism and wanton destruction”, “thuggery with no apparent control or direction”, “a disorganised mob”, or even “a small number [deciding] to engage in rioting” a threat to the Peace Process™?  Or is that a “stupid” question…

As for OFMDFM’s chosen response to violence from loyalist groups, that was their decision.  They can’t blame others for the consequences.

That’s the circus, here’s a little more bread.

There will be no large increases in university tuition fees for students starting courses in 2012, the first and deputy first ministers have confirmed.

They said the fees would only rise in line with inflation.

Martin McGuinness and Peter Robinson said they had yet to work out how to take money from other departments to pay for the £40m shortfall.

Not that they even discussed that issue at the last NI Executive Committee meeting…

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  • streetlegal

    As the situation in Belfast continues to deterioriate troops in Britain are on standby in readiness for an emergency situation deployment.

  • michael-mcivor

    deterioriate streetlegal- nobody was killed-

  • chewnicked

    Indeed, Pete. Police attacked in that bastion of Nationalism,Tennent Street off the Shankill. Tell it like is, eh?

  • andnowwhat

    It’s amazing how little coverage the beating and stabbings of members of the Crumlin Star football team is getting..

    http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-footballers-attacked-by-armed-mob/8a67c6de-cbb9-42fd-b715-b1ce8a83a907

  • lamhdearg

    andnowwhat
    its on both the bbc and utv websites, what do you want a town crier.(if true its a disgrace), can anyone confirm or deny that non irish nats homes where attacked in portadown last night, as both the bbc and utv are not reporting this?.

  • tacapall

    I can confirm that lamhdearg, here ya go.

    “Loyalists target foreign nationals’ homes in Portadown”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14128805

  • lamhdearg

    Thats the night before Tacapall, the strange thing about the attack you high light, is the “loyalists” entered the “(irish)nationalist” street and attacted three houses , and that all three houses happened to belong to non irish nats, ie people living here from abroad, what are the chances of that happening then. AND what about last nights attack did it happen and if so why are the bbc and utv running the story, as you point out they (bbc utv) do visit portadown to highlight some attacks.

  • lamhdearg

    bbc and utv NOT running the story.

  • ayeYerMa

    The brothers grim are best ignored here. The “peace process” is the source of the very rot that sends out the message that thuggery works.

    All you need to do is to start organising the murder of 2000 people, then stop and call it a “peace process”, the electoral sheep then blindly reward you, and hey presto you’re the head honcho! … I also do seem to remember a certain “political party” being the organisers of such riots not so long ago!

  • carl marks

    streetlegal (profile) says:
    14 July 2011 at 6:24 pm

    As the situation in Belfast continues to deterioriate troops in Britain are on standby in readiness for an emergency situation deployment.

    are you feeling ok there SL old mate you seem obsessed with troops on standby

  • carl marks

    ayeYerMa
    “the electoral sheep then blindly reward you,”

    good tactics anybody who votes in a way you dont like and they are sheep, of course the unionists who vote for rightwing partys who dont give a shit about them are not blindly following a anti catholic/irish line bt instead showing geat political savvy not sheepish at all

  • ranger1640

    Reference the Crumlin Star allegations I would like to know more.

    Firstly I would like to make clear there is no direct access from a Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist street, onto Ardoyne Avenue, other from the Ardoyne road or Deerpark Road.

    Both junctions onto Aliance Avenue from the Ardoyne road and the Dearpark Road had PSNI officers stationed there in land rovers at the time given in the BBC report, 2030.

    I know because there was an attempted incursion by republicans via the peace wall into Ardoyne Crescent around that time and I was there.

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/07/12/there-was-no-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-858080

    Post time 2143hrs.

    “Breaking news: I’m just back from the scene.

    Republicans rioters attempted to break through the peace line to attack the peaceful Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist residents in Glenbryn Park and Alliance Crescent.

    I counted 23 PSNI land-rovers full of officers in riot gear attend the scene to repel the incursion. Harrowing scenes of fear and trepidation in the faces of the young and elderly Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist residents of Glenbryn Park and Alliance Crescent”.

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&xhr=t&cp=21&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=925&bih=448&q=deerpark+road+belfast&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x486108114ebfe077:0x99c3987346e99385,Deerpark+Rd,+Belfast+BT14+7&gl=uk&ei=7EMfTrKgCcPChAfpwYCXAw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CEAQ8gEwAA

    Below is the full report and link from the U.tv report on the Crumlin Star football club members. One of their members stated in the report:

    “Anto Braniff, 31, needed three stitches above his left eye following the attack. He told The Irish News that the gang came “running out of a nearby street”.

    If they are locals they did not state the name of the street? Would it be safe to assume that these alleged attackers would have ran out of and ran back to this street?

    As I stated above the area was full of PSNI officers stationed at both ends of Alliance Avenue. Insuring no access to republicans and Loyalists alike to the others areas. So what were was the street???

    Are we to believe this alleged 30+ crowd of Ranger football top, wearing Loyalists came from ether the Ardoyne road or Deerpark road, onto Alliance Avenue??? Even the PSNI would have spotted an alleged mob of Rangers wearing Loyalists carrying carrying knives, golf clubs and sticks going along Alliance Avenue

    The full UTV report and link below.

    “Two members of an Ardoyne-based football team have been seriously injured after they were set upon by an armed loyalist gang on the Twelfth of July.
    The Crumlin Star football team were returning from a trip to Dundalk in Co Louth, to escape the trouble surrounding the annual Orange Order parade close to their north Belfast homes, when they were attacked by the 30-strong gang.

    The players, who were wearing their team shirts, stepped off the coach at Alliance Avenue because the driver said he was nervous about taking his bus into Ardoyne.

    A gang carrying knives, golf clubs and sticks beat several members of the team, leaving them with stab wounds, a broken leg and facial injuries.

    One player was held down and jumped on until his leg broke and his foot was fractured.

    Anto Braniff, 31, needed three stitches above his left eye following the attack. He told The Irish News that the gang came “running out of a nearby street”.

    “They were armed with golf clubs, knives and bottles and just started attacking us,” he said.

    “There were more than 30 of them and, while there are people badly hurt as a result, it’s lucky someone wasn’t killed.”

    Ciaran Smyth, who plays for a cross-community football team, was attacked with a golf club while trying to help a friend.

    “It wasn’t as if we were in Celtic shirts or in some way provoking them,” he said.

    “It was still daylight when we were attacked. Most of them were wearing Rangers football shirts.

    “That gang were out to cause serious injury or even kill the first Catholic they came across and it just happened to be us.”

    A police spokesman said a motive for the attack has yet to be established”.

    http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-footballers-attacked-by-armed-mob/8a67c6de-cbb9-42fd-b715-b1ce8a83a907

  • ranger1640

    Error it should read: Firstly I would like to make clear there is no direct access from a Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist street, onto Alliance Avenue, other than from the Ardoyne road or Deerpark Road.

  • Pete Baker

    OK chewnicked

    Three nights of attacks on police in nationalist areas across Northern Ireland, and this last night – from the UTV report

    In north Belfast, a petrol bomb was thrown at Tennent Street police station in the Shankill area – but it failed to ignite.

  • ranger1640

    Tennent Street PSNI station approx 1k away from a republican area. I grew up 4 streets away from the then RUC station. and it was constantly attacked by the IRA in drive by shootings.

    I didn’t see any reports of the burnt out vehicle on the Springfield road, at the republican end of Larnark Way.Or any report of the republicans throwing stones, bricks and bottles over the gates at the Protestant/Unionists/Loyalists enjoying the festivities at the bonfire on Larnark Way???

  • carl marks

    ranger1640
    can you not even admit to the chance that the cop shop in tennent street was attacked by loyalists instead you have to make up the most unlikely scenario;s to try and blame catholics,
    you know prods have attacked the cops before so it can and does happen.

  • bumper14

    Dunloy Orange hall has been attacked again by sectarian -nay racist thugs. http://www.newsletter.co.uk

  • andnowwhat

    Was it not just a few weeks ago that loyalists shot at police officers?

    Hell, there’s an attempted murder investigation going on relating to the incident.

    Also, in today’s Irish News Newton Emerson refers to a loyalist breeze blocking an officer in the Ballyclare riots (where people seened to be spontaneously in the possession of ski masks and not an army navy store opened) a lá the spaniard in Ardoyne last year.

  • carl marks

    bumper14
    this is a terrable thing to attack a orange hall i join you in comdeming it as u comdemed the attck on harryville chapel, o sorry you never mentioned harryville chapel when it was attacked.
    never mind you prob missed it as you were no doubt busy at the time looking for things that those nasty republicians were doing but i still comdem the attack on dunloy orange hall.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Is there any chance of anyone making a contribution to the discussion other than unsourced claims of “I seen themmuns doing [X], so I did” ? What’s the point ? especially when it’s focussed specifically on the violent acts of one side.

    Rather than moaning about it what are we actually going to do about it ?

  • lamhdearg

    Comrade
    we are going to slag (counter the other sides claims) each other of all summer, and hope that next year, things have moved on a little.

  • 6crealist

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, a thread with “circuses” in the title seems to have attracted many (sectarian) clowns.

    Vive les keyboard warriors.

  • Mark

    lamhdearg , that’s the problem , its nearly taken for granted that all future summers will be ruined with sectarian fighting / rioting etc .

    Belfast in particular is practically lawless in july where anything goes and usually does . The attack on the soccer team ( Irish news this morning ) was savage .

  • Comrade Stalin

    lamhdearg,

    The sectarian analysis is one thing – people passing off rumour as fact is quite another. The accusations of bias flying in both directions suggesting that the media are taking sides are particularly ridiculous.

  • lamhdearg

    Comrade
    the media/p.s.n.i do not use the word sectarian, to describe attacks by irish nats on non irish nats, in the same way they use it to describe the reverse, please at least look at the news reports in future with this view in mind, then come back and call me ridiculous. I will try to highlight the case’s of this, you are welcome to counter it.

  • iluvni

    Does anyone take the FM and dFM seriously?

  • carnmoney.guy

    Slap it up them, the kid gloves approach used with the UVF means that they everyone is at it, they have painted themselves into a corner. Causing havoc gets attention.

    Martin and Peter were the cutting edge of radical politics, they carved their own furrows and have reached the sharp point of their political careers – only to be blunted and staid by the usual suspects

  • For someone like me at a distance, relying on sparse information, can anyone tell me if the rioting/hooliganism this year was similar to last year, or worse or better?

  • Mike the First

    The tuition fees thing is interesting. Have the FM and dFM, taking the Altnagelvin controversy recently, started acting more as a “Prime Minister” heading a Cabinet? Ministers, under our GFA-derived system, currently get to run departments as fiefdoms, but the FM & dFM appear to have realised that their power of veto means they can simply, and publicly, rule out (and in? more difficult maybe) particular courses of action, over the head of a Minister (in reality a Minister outside DUP or SF).

  • chewnicked

    No rioting anywhere last night, Pete-you must be gutted.

  • Master McGrath

    I am always now more than a little surprised at how much out of touch with reality people who expect the Army to be ready to drop back in to the streets at the first drop of trouble.
    Some Loyalists seem to look forward to it and some non-Loyalists seem to fear it.
    Lets get real here.
    The British Army is no longer capable of dropping back into the political equation in NI any longer.
    The Army is small now and getting smaller in the future and is quite busy enough in Afghanistan thank you.
    To get some notion of the actual size of the Army today you could do no better than to compare its size to that of Tesco which employs more people than the Army has soldiers.
    streetlegal and those like him/her should come to terms with the new situation that the Army simply does not have the capability to drop in any longer and is not sitting about on emergency standby and waiting for the call to be back in NI.
    What it does mean for both sides needs to be carefully looked at as it has real implications for the future here.

  • Kaido

    Master McGrath I agree with you fully, some people think the BA capable of doing anything at the drop of a hat. Despite the arguments over here “themmun’s and usun’s” to the people on the other side of the water we have a meaningless and bigoted/ racist “celebration ” known as the twelfth and after this there is guaranteed rioting, ergo, the organisers of the twelfth are to blame and this is what appears to be the case, forget the endless mopery we indulge in it is the headlines that count. Sinn Fein realise this and revel in every press report showing oo members and rioters in the same segment. Our loyal brethern are too ignorant to see that in the long term by their mismanagemant of the PR side they will sign their own death warrant.
    PS love the idea of Tesco being compared to an an army, on second thoughts given some of the cock ups of the professionals of late maybe Tesco should be conscripted, sure as hell would put manners on the Taliban trying to use their self service checkouts.

  • Pete Baker

    chewnicked

    UTV report

    A number of petrol bombs have been thrown and arrests made after sporadic violence in west and north Belfast on Thursday night, police have said.

  • lamhdearg

    bbc/utv,made it back to portadown last night, just in time to report on loyalist attacks on innocent irish nats. the three monkeys of see no evil ect is prevalent in local reporting when it come’s to irish nats attack on loyalist homes, as happened on the 13th night.

  • chewnicked

    Severe rioting by loyalists in Portadown last night, Pete.
    No sign of the police apology yet though.
    One wonders if the UVF co-ordinating a programme of rioting across the North in advance of the UVF Supergrass trial and in response to the persistent inroads being made by the H.E.T.
    Maybe our Glorious Leader could find out from the boys in the woolie masks, next time he invites them up for tea and buns at Stormont.

  • lamhdearg

    nightly attacks on the fountian estate in derry for 10 out of the last 13 days, no reports (i have seen) on the mainstream media (utv bbc), they must be waiting for the fountians young folk to do the obvious, then the media will roll into town set up base at s.f. office’s and report on the sectarian loyalist mob, all the while some psni officer will nod his head.

  • Comrade Stalin

    So how did you find out then, lamhdearg ? Are you sitting on the end of a red telephone that people call whenever attacks are going on ?

  • chewnicked

    He’s certainly sitting on the end of something……..

    Perhaps his tether?

  • lamhdearg

    Comrade,
    as i said “mainstream media”, hope you do not get all you know from utv or bbcni. chewnicked, tether, end of, not quite. unless you are refering to “tether” as in tethering an iphone to a laptop, in which case, i am no where near that, legal?.

  • bumper14

    Regarding the attacks on the Fountain estate I know people that live there and can confirm Lamhdearg’s assertion about the general indifference of the biased media, to the plight of the Protestant people living therein.
    For the record, Carl Marx and the rest of you whataboutery merchants, I too condemn the attack on Harryville Chapel.

  • bumper14

    Another grotesque attack on a man in Rasharkin-his crime , he was a Protestant. After a sustained pogrom in Rasharkin over the past few years the Protestant population has now been almost erased from the village.
    Daithi Mckay , silent as usual on the subject.

  • carl marks

    bumper14
    For the record, Carl Marx and the rest of you whataboutery merchants, I too condemn the attack on Harryville Chapel.
    thats good to hear

  • carl marks

    bumper14

    I have done a internet search re your post about Rasharkin ( the TUV website reports a car burnt 2 days ago ) and I Can’t find anything now there can be one of two reasons for this ,
    1. A media wide plot working with SF and the SDLP and the police to cover up these terrible things or
    2. Your mistaken
    Know which one I’m going for

  • andnowwhat
  • Rory Carr

    I see that, in relation to the attack on the Ardoyne football team, “A police spokesman said a motive for the attack has yet to be established.”

    I should have thought it was obvious – a representative group of young loyalists were exercising their culture in time-honoured fashion by beating up the nearest available defenceless Catholics.

    Of late there have been fears that this ancient cultural heritage is under threat, in particular that part which allows for Catholics to be beaten with impunity so we can all take heart from the police statement and rest confident that prosecutions will be unlikely and such robust loyalist cultural activities will continue to flourish.

  • carl marks

    andnowwhat

    thank you nice to have some proper data instead of hysterics and i truly condem this terrible attack which i belive was the on referred to in my post however i have to say the way certain posters will only get outraged about the incidents that suit them to get enraged about and look for excuses for the ones that dont fit there agenda is more than a bit disapointing for instance that evil attack took place after the secterian attack on the Ardoyne football team and around the same time as the loyalist riots in portadown however bumper10 does’nt seem to get excited about those. however if im wrong and he has indeed posted on these without anybody asking him to then i will apoligise

  • lamhdearg

    Carl
    3th option, indifference, eg a old pal of mine was beat black and blue, leg broken, on the deerpark road (belfast)15 months back, despite him reporting to the psni that his attackers made at least 4 reference’s to him being an “orange bastard/cunt” and that they Walked of into ardoyne after the attack, when the only press to run the story of the attack the belfast tele reported it two days later in a tiny column 4 pages in to the paper the words “sectarian attack” did not feature what we got was “the police are investigating a motive”. since then i have been watching and reading and looking between the lines at many reports in the local press, and i have noticed a trend, the p.s.n.i the press and the people elected to represent, are slow to use the sectarian word when describing attacks carried out by irish nationalists upon non irish nationalists. i have chosen this as a pet project, and i will be high lighting the case’s i see, on slugger and to people around me, i hope others like bumper14 will do the same. you of course carl marks are welcome to counter.

  • carl marks

    lamhdearg
    I am very sorry to hear about your friend and as someone who was brought up i Ardoyne through the seventies and early eighties and still has friends and relatives living there i know i speak for the majority of people who live there in saying that such action can not be justified in any way and indeed in shaminto us i hope your friend makes a full recovery and does not let this darken his life.

  • lamhdearg

    carl marks,
    Thank you for that. we probably grew up a stones throw from each other.

  • carl marks

    lamhdearg

    carl marks,
    Thank you for that. we probably grew up a stones throw from each other.

    you would be safe enough from me i could’nt hit the side of a barn if i was inside it

  • lamhdearg

    Carl
    you grew up in the 70s 80s, surely at your (and my)age you mean you couldn’t HAVE hit a barn, the wars over, ps now to attach a smiley face?.

  • carl marks

    no i meant what i said was at a clay pigeon shoot yesterday age has not improved me in that way

  • lamhdearg

    Ahh, more proof of ruc/psni bias agianst non irish nats, they would give me a shotgun license.

  • carl marks

    I NEED A LICENSE!!!! SHIT

  • carl marks

    any body care to tell me what i got the yellow card for my email says its for the above post can someone explain it

  • Rory Carr

    Probably for choosing to spell licence in an unfashionable manner, Carl.

  • carl marks

    cheers rory i will be more careful in future

  • andnowwhat

    Hmm, the yellow cards make a really nice pattern.

    I’m easily pleased though.

  • carl marks

    andnowwhat (profile) says:
    18 July 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Hmm, the yellow cards make a really nice pattern.

    I’m easily pleased though.

    noticed that (the pattern not that your easily pleased)

  • bumper14

    Rory, reference on the attack on the Ardoyne football team.
    Isn,t Alliance avenue a mixed area?
    None the less wether it was Loyalists that done it or Republicans the end result was a disgraceful attack on a group of young footballers who have suffered pain and fear for no good reason.

  • carl marks

    bumper14
    are you trying to imply that the Ardoyne football may have been attacked by Catholics the sectarian statements reported during the attack in your opinion could have been made by Catholics,
    Alliance avenue is a road notorious for sectarian attacks carried out by both sides (see lamhdearg’s post of 17.28 yesterday) why do you find it so difficult to admit that protestants carry out acts of sectarian and political violence, like ranger 1640 with his attempt to put the blame for he petrol bomb attack on tennent st psni station on Catholics you seem unable to admit that loyalists are as capable as Catholics of these attacks ignoring this does your community no good as it allows these thugs to have a free hand

  • andnowwhat

    Just to explain Carl;

    Bumper is a guy who posts on Politics.ie as “antiHet” and is also a member of the PUP.

    When the UVF attacked the Short Time he spent an exhaustive time trying to derail threads and pushing out PUP propaganda.

    BTW, what the hell do the Portadown lodge think they are playing at deliberatey ramping up tensions..

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/orange-order-raising-tensions-with-protests-16024456.html

  • carl marks

    andnowwhat
    thank you for the intel i will waste no more time on him.

  • andnowwhat

    Carl

    Mae pen rai Khap

  • carl marks

    andnowwhat (profile) says:
    18 July 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Carl

    Mae pen rai Khap

    terima kasi

  • bumper14

    Carl Marx, I was just pointing out that the end result is a group of men who are suffering due to an unjust beating meted out to them by thugs and if they were Green or Orange thugs, what does it matter? Could it be that you are just trying to make propaganda out of this cowardly attack?
    And know what I have never heard of “Politics ie” and have never posted anything under the pseudonym “anti het”.
    I also have never voted for the PUP in my life as I believe they are the mouthpiece for Loyalist terrorists , the way Sinnfein are the frontmen for the IRA/Dissidents.
    I always vote for the DUP with some transfers going to the TUV.

  • grandimarkey

    “Sinnfein are the frontmen for the IRA/Dissidents.
    I always vote for the DUP with some transfers going to the TUV.”

    How do you reconcile yourself with voting for a party that shares power with the frontmen for dissident Republicans?

  • carl marks

    wow i have just recieved a yellow card for replying to a your wellcome in thai with a thank you in bahasa malay

  • carl marks

    oop sorry the yellow card not mine guess its to early in the morn for me

  • bumper14

    grandimarkey, The UUP had already (as the largest Unionist party of the time) agreed to letting SinnFein into government. The weak British Government stated that it would gift Sinnfein concession after concession if the DUPdid not share power with it. I would far rather have the DUP leading Unionism than the UUP.

  • It’s true, then. He who pays the piper does get to call the tune.