House of Windsor can claim a role in UK’s future

20110429-121432.jpgInteresting commentary on the political and
constitutional context for the British Royal Wedding in Westminster from Philip Stephens:

“Once she [the Queen] has gone, though, the institution’s long-term survival will depend on whether it manages to adapt to straitened circumstance. Even as they cheer the newlyweds, the monarch’s subjects are contemplating the prospect of many years of economic austerity. George Osborne, the chancellor, says Britain has “maxed out on the national credit card”. It’s a silly, and economically illiterate, phrase. Yet people know what he means. The royals will have to pay heed.”

If the monarchy needs to adapt, so must Britain. Back in the 1960s Dean Acheson, the US secretary of state, alluded to Britain’s painful search for a post-imperial role. He was not the first. As the allied powers advanced into Germany in 1944, Edward Stettinius wrote to Franklin Roosevelt suggesting the US president consider in his postwar planning: “The emotional difficulty which anyone, particularly an Englishman, has in adjusting himself to a secondary role after always having accepted a leading role as a national right.””

“The Brits are still adjusting. To the extent the House of Windsor can claim a role, it is as the thread through an expansive past to a constrained present. Britain’s future lies in staying interested in the world. The monarchy’s best hope is to remain interesting to the world.”

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  • From the ‘boorish’ Philip Stephens to the Slugger OOPs Guardian live blog 🙂

  • Its hard to take the Monarchy seriously on a day like today.
    Avowed Monarchists are cheering William or Harry to the rafters and avowed Republicans are picking holes in the carefully woven mystique.
    By any real standards…..Britain does not have a Monarchy. But rather it has the iimpression of one. The Whig compromise which allows a government to rule thru the image of divine legitimacy.
    Its Britains great misfortune that it has not actually had a Revolution….a real one like the French which swept away (eventually) the French Monarchy.
    Unfortunately only one side lost in WW1. We lost the Austrian, Russian, German monarchy and eventually seem to have replaced it with something better…..an allegedly post-imperial world.
    The convulsions of Napoleans War or Hitlers War of course followed Monarchys Fall.
    Britain was spared all that.
    Yet maybe (historically) it would have been a good thing if it had not.
    It is after all 2011. If you were setting up a British Constitution….you wouldnt start from here. Not the Act of Succession or Act of Settlement. And of course monarchists in this part of the world are actually more concerned with those Acts than the dynasty itself. Or indeed the Institution.
    Arguably Orangeism is a form of Republicanism…an assertion of rights and reigning in Government.
    Monarchy is only really Monarchy when its absolute.
    When it isnt its at worst a fraud and at best a fairy tale.
    Days like today are not about the People “together” Its about People knowing their place and accepting their place.
    In front of their TV screens in Cullybackey.
    Buying the commemoration mug in Debenhams.
    Or sitting in a deckchair on the parade route.
    Or in St Pauls or Westminster…..with Mr & Mrs Beckham and Mr & Mr Elton John…sops to modernity.
    But William or Harry shows his 21st century awareness…..Invite John Major and Margaret Thatcher. Hmmmm no Bliar or Brown. Maybe Kate the Commoners upper middle class parents would not have liked that…..more Thatcherites and Majorites in that part of the World.
    And the tweedy aristocratic cousinage of “royalty” are ok with that. So not quite the Peoples Day after all. Jyst a day for Some People.
    Monarchy re-invents its legitimacy …1714….1936…..Alas for monarchy to be monarchy an 85 year old Queen cant hand over to a 61 year old “Prince”. Besides the country thinks hes mad so she wont. Theres no Queen Camilla in any form of words cos the People wont like that.
    So a 97 year old woman might die and her 73 year old son succeed if only nominally to pass it on (abdication thru ill health) to a young man in his 40s. ‘Cept that isnt really monarchy and the 42 year old will have lost his youthful appeal and….more hair.
    The tumbrils to the guillotine might not have been as cruel as slow death by Mock The Week but neither a TV game show or worthy opinion pieces in the Guardian can bring down the Monarchy.
    Monarchy suffered two crises (besides Wars) in the 20th Century.
    1936 Abdication Crisis
    and the Diana Years
    Both rooted in bad marriages which both did long term damage to the Institution itself.
    And heres the rub.
    These people today ARE people with hearts and feelings.
    They are also institutions.
    The normal decent thing to do is to wish a young couple well.
    But this is NOT your ordinary couple from Crossmaglen or……….Carrickfergus.
    To wish them well is to wish the Institution itself well. Because its only thru the crisis of a bad marriage that the Institution is in danger.

  • JoeBryce

    FJH: The observation that Orangeism is a form of republicanism, at least in terms of insisting on constitutional restraint of the monarchy, is, if I may say so, rather an impressive apercu, and one that is esstentially correct.

  • pippakin

    fjh

    Fear not, how can anyone see the monarchy surviving Prince Charles

  • Drumlins Rock

    LOL, you are hilarious today FJH, go on, you had a peak, admit it!

    Sure it might be a mass of contradictions and meaningless traditions, but so is all art, culture, music, fashion, sport and dare I say religion ( ie. the trappings associated with faith) like the rest enjoy it, go with the flow, or at worst sit back and, like I do with most sport, wish them well and get on with life.

  • Oh I dont fear at all Pippakin.
    Today is a “score draw” in football terms.
    “Irish Guards Uniform”…..Back of the net!…….1-0
    “Look at Prince Charles”….Goal…….1-1
    “Is that Podge or Rodge as best man?”…….2-1.
    “Carrickfergus”……..2-2
    and so on all day.
    I am a Republican in a global sense and as a philosophy. Therefore I obviously want the Monarchy to collapse …and it will.

  • DRumlins Rock.
    The irony is that I cant actually see it as the Satelite Dish is broken. Repaired between 2pm -5pm. Hopefully 4.55pm.
    But following the wedding on Twitter…….its the reason Twitter was invented I think…….cant say I ever really enjoyed Twitter before today.
    Its like watching a football match on Teletext.

  • Brian

    Today especially, I’m glad I’m a ‘citizen’ and not a ‘subject’. Long Live the Republic

  • vanhelsing

    Today especially, I’m glad I’m a ‘subject’ and not a ‘citizen’. Long Live the Queen 🙂

  • dwatch

    vanhelsing ‘Today especially, I’m glad I’m a ‘subject’ and not a ‘citizen’. Long Live the Queen’

    All people born in the UK are citizens since 1981. British subjects (as defined in the 1981 Act) are those British subjects who were not CUKCs or citizens of any other Commonwealth country. Most of these derived their status as British subjects from British India or the Republic of Ireland as they existed before 1949.

  • Greenflag

    Brian/vanhelsing/dwatch,

    You’ve all got it only partly right . Today in 2011 you are all citizens of your respective countries and citizens of the EU .

    You are also indirectly subjects perhaps in some cases even serfs of the IMF and helots of the ECB and constant revenue streamers for the international banking elite and the masters of financial disaster in Wall St , the City of London and the multinational low tax or no tax paying corporations that feast on the decline and death of the middle classes of the USA and the EU.

    But not to worry -just get up on your bikes and move your families from Sunderland or Belfast to the City and with entrepreuneurial skills taken on board at night school you’ll all soon be qualified to export worthless pieces of valueless fiat money and dodgy derivatives to unsuspecting underdeveloped countries and their money laundering dictators -oil shiekhs and such as have their peoples by the short and curlies.

    Other than that – Long live Queenie – But without wishing herself any ill, I’ll wish the Republic an even longer life .

  • I think the House of Windsor is incapable of looking to the future when they are incapable of learning from the past. The great day has been marked for many Jacobites by the deliberate and calculated snub to the legitimate House of Stuart by the “monstrous” (sic) decision to bestow the title “Duke of Cambridge” on William or Harry….asa WEDDING PRESENT!!!!

    “is a clear reminder that the Hannoverian tradition (?) is still as assertive as it ever was and remains a determining factor in the minds of the usurping dynasty”

    I need hardly explain that. Its crystal clear from the “internet chatter”.

  • vanhelsing

    Fitz “The great day has been marked for many Jacobites by the deliberate and calculated snub to the legitimate House of Stuart by the “monstrous” (sic) decision to bestow the title “Duke of Cambridge” on William or Harry….asa WEDDING PRESENT!!!!”

    Are you sore 🙂 Irish Guards, Shamrocks and the ‘Rock of Fergus’ in honour of Fergus Mac Eirc, a sixth century king of Dalriada which straddled Ulster and Scotland.

    Will you Jacobites never be happy?

  • vanhelsing……I think I should point out I am NOT a Jacobite. On balance I prefer the 21st century.
    Alas for various reasons I am obliged to consort with Jacobites who on many threads here I have described as “nutters”.
    The virtual company of Jacobite nutters is as amusing as being in the company of Windsor nutters.
    I am NOT a Jacobite nutter.
    I am a very different kind of nutter.

  • Munsterview

    Given the day that is in it and the subject matter of this thread, this popped up on Henry Makow and it may make interesting reading for some.

    http://www.henrymakow.com/by_alcuin_bramertonfor_henryma.html

  • RepublicanStones

    I dislike the undeserved respect which the monarchy assumes it is owed, but for today, who really gives a f**k about grinding that axe. Theres another 364 days of the year to do it.
    Lets not begrudge the young couple their smiles. They don’t annoy me, Im happy for them. Its those crazy bastards who stay up all night just to catch a glimpse of somebody they don’t know and who doesn’t know them.
    There was loads of them running round the Phoenix park back in 1979, I’m led to believe 🙂

  • dwatch

    You have a poor understanding of the word citizens, those who live in the UK are subjects in all but name, they cannot vote for there head of state, nor for their second parliamentary chamber. When it comes to public bodies swearing allegiance, ‘most’ give it to Betty not the people they should be there to serve.

    Even worse and more dangerous the military swear allegiance to an archaic monarch almost daily, especially the officer corp.

    A free people do not labour under such obligations and shackles. As to the article, what’s with this the cuts are inevitable crap, the one good thing about the Monarchy is they are a living example of we are definitely no all in this together.

    The sooner they are put down the better, as far as the UK is concerned the old slogan no gods no masters is more relevant today than ever. When government starts going into circuses it means they are up to no good. The state went to great lengths to ensure there would be no public displays of opposition to this silly wedding charade.

    Republican Stones,

    I do begrudge ‘the young couple’ there smiles, as the English monarchy is not some apolitical institution, note the old bags visit to Ireland, they are at the pinnacle of a class system which ruins peoples lives both in the UK and overseas.

    With this wedding the monarchy has attempted to rebuild its close links with the english upper middle classes. Still they deserve each other as they all have a reactionary and offensive world view that looks back to the past. When Britain had real military power and the overwhelming majority of its people lived in poverty and ignorance and had very little say in their daily lives.

    May day greetings comrade

  • RepublicanStones

    Mick I think if you gave some of the Royals the chance to forfeit all that their silver spoon has saddled them with, I’d say some of the might jump at the chance to do so. By all means have a go at the institution, it warrants it. But I’m willing to abstain for one day for what should be a day of happiness for two young folks whose political leanings shouldn’t void their right to a special day. I just wish it wasn’t saturating every form of media for the several days it does.

    Btw did you read Johann Hari’s excellent takedown of the monarchy

    http://johannhari.com/2011/04/15/this-royal-wedding-frenzy-should-embarrass-us-all

  • RepublicanStones

    Mick royal wedding crap aside, you’ll be glad to know Superman has pissed off the rightwing in the States.

    http://t.co/LeWmBzA

    The red cape was always a dead giveaway 😉

  • RepublicanStones

    May day greeting and salutations to you as well 🙂

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    I agree with Pippakin, Charles is dumb and arrogant enough to undo all his mother’s good work. I’m for the monarchy ending when the Queen goes, so the British republican in me says I hope Charles becomes king and reveals the faults of the system. If he has any real sense of duty to his own institution, he’ll let the crown pass straight to William.

    I think the figure from Ipsos MORI was 46 per cent that don’t want Charles to become king – pretty unbelievably high figure for an heir to the throne and he should think long and hard about it. Is it true he vetoed Blair’s invitation to the wedding because he disapproved of Blair’s handling of the aftermath of Diana’s death? What a hypocritical fool he is and how dare he not invite someone elected leader of the nation for 10 years, even if it is Blair. Can you tell I don’t like Charles …

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    anything that attracts a TV audience of a couple of billion is pretty impressive. The Royal Family is probably the one thing that makes the UK a bit different from other western countries. Sure, they cost the taxpayer a few bob, but the royal family is a uniquie selling point for the UK and worth a fair few quid in tourism alone. On this weeks form, it looks as though the Royal family are here to stay for a while longer. Loved the shamrocks on William’s tunic ;).

  • tfbtfo

    Come on, TV viewing figures do not mean much, the super bowl I am told gets billions as do other events, F1 for example, or is that just another of Bernies come on’s designed to get the wad from stupid governments.

    The tourist angle is an old chestnut not based on fact and long ago put to bed, but as Bernie understands only to well, the old ones are always the best to catch the dopes. A bit like the Olympic games attracting tourists to the host nation. It is not so with the Olympics and not so with the monarchy, visitors to host nations dropped in two out of three of the last olympics, believe it or not, not everyone likes sport.

    A recent poll of tourists said visitors to the UK main wish to see was Tower Bridge, when asked about Buck House they said only if they could go inside. About as good a reason to chop off their heads as any, especially for those who worship the bottom line.

    PS does anyone know the true storey about the LP leaders invitations, someone told me, unofficially they notified the palace they could not attend and to save embarrassment it might be best if they did not receive an invite.

    It seems daft I know, but so to does not inviting them especially Miliband as leader of opposition, after all Cameron did no win the last election outright.

    By the way can someone let me know when all this silly crap dies down so I know it is safe to come home, having a tory government is bad enough but people waving that butchers apron is just to much for a chap to bear.

    RS

    Loved the links

  • AGlassOfHine

    Sorry,but what’s the interesting piece in the guardian ?
    Over 80% of UK Citizens wish to retain the Monarchy,yet our republican friends tell us it will soon fall.
    Well excuse me if I take that with a pinch of 2016.
    Us British have always played a leading role in world affairs,and we always will.
    Take the recent conference on Libya,held in London,for example.
    The language of the Internet. The language of Global Economics and business. The language,if you will,of the very planet itself.
    I do realise the open mouthed awe,in which republicans view events such as this.
    But when they get over their begrudging,and life in republican land kicks in again,the pira murder rag will look very dismal,compared to the Glorious Flag of The Union !!
    The Monarchy has survived for over a Thousand Years.
    The wishful thinking of begrudging,dour bake republicans,(as we know well,here in Ulster),counts for little.
    Fortunately republican predictions,have a track record of ending in dismal failure.
    Raise a glass to the happy couple.
    Wonder at the way the good people of the globe embrace English as their preferred language.
    Snigger,at the self determination of ireland,and its right to be in eternal debt to Europe.
    Oh,and remember to treat Her Majesty with civility when she visits the dead zone.
    She just might find it in her heart to readmit you to the Glorious Commonwealth ?

  • Munsterview

    Happy Mayday one and all……. the only celebration that counts and since it is also my birthday it is always a double celebration for me!

    Nice traditional Bealtaine celebration last night where I was one of the guests at an event that started with a two mile hillside walk to a famine commemoration site and then to a hilltop site that was sacred and honored for twice as long as Christianity has been in Ireland. Welcome teas and cake all round at a ‘rambling house’ preserved as it was in the late 19th,cen. on the return. Afterwards a night of music, song, poetry and story telling to 1-am around an open fire in that packed house…… and no mention of the Royal wedding!

    Mickhall : “……..With this wedding the monarchy has attempted to rebuild its close links with the english upper middle classes. Still they deserve each other as they all have a reactionary and offensive world view that looks back to the past. When Britain had real military power and the overwhelming majority of its people lived in poverty and ignorance and had very little say in their daily lives…..”

    The Monarchy is the public focus for the Establishment and ruling class while the real ‘Crown’ and all that entails gets on with the real running of the country for the benefit of the few, while the antics of the Royals on stage provides the smokescreen for this activity.

    There is little need to ‘re-build’ links with the English Upper Class and it’s constituent parts, they know what they are about, as a weekly read of Country Life will show. When General Frank Kitson with direct personal responsibility for thousands of deaths and indirect responsibility responsibility for tens of thousands more through his Counter Insurgency writings and advocated tactics, was made Aide-de-Camp to the Queen, it was not despite his blood stained hands, it was precisely because his hands were blood stained in the service of ‘The Crown & City’.

    These same double standards are equally applicable here in the Queens visit to Southern Ireland and the ‘normalization of relations’. What normalization is there for the victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombing done in that same ‘ Queen’s name ‘ and by service personnel who had sworn their Oaths of allegiance to, that they held their commissions from and in whose name they operated when they massacred and maimed, innocent Twenty-Six County men, women and children.

    The Omagh bombings are condemned and public media are constant in reminding the Irish people North and South that ‘Republicans were responsible’ yet the involvement of the serving British Personnel in carrying out a British Government sanctioned massacre of Irish citizens in the Dublin and Monaghan are virtually ignored.

    There has been no media campaign for accountability and save for the odd mention at anniversary time, the dead and the injured victims of this atrocity are very deliberately kept off the headlines and media.

    And we are surprised then that in the face of public these double standards and hypocrisy that like this that Republicans involved in Armed Struggle threat condemnations of their activities with contempt ?

    This applies across the board, at Ballyseedy Cross, Republican Prisoners were brought out from Tralee jail by Free State soldiers, tied around a landmine which was detonated and the survivors machine-gunned. One man was blown clear, escaped and lived to tell the tale.

    There is a Free State lying and self-serving account of that massacre read into the Dail Record, when Fianna Fail got into power they did not change that record regarding their former comrades. Martin Ferris TD have chaired, spoken at and otherwise participated in Ballyseedy Cross commemorations all his adult life : will he attempt to set the Dail record straight ?

    How can there be morality in Irish public life when even out very Dail Records lie, and are known to lie by historians and from long established, undisputed fact. However Enda and FG would fight tooth and clay to keep that ‘official record’ intact as these lies are also part of Fine Gael foundation mythology ! And so it continues.

  • “The Monarchy has survived for over a Thousand Years.”

    Save me from such twaddle, there is no direct continuity, when the cap does not fit one family the establishment look amongst the riff-raff for another and then anoint him, poor deluded fellow he is.

    Get up off your knees, no one is British and certainly not Betsy’s brood. Only English actors in Hollywood who fear typecasting as the villain or poor deluded Irish people who are ashamed of their nationality claim they are. Britishness is a fantasy created to deceive.

    Whilst the English state ruled the waves working class ulster protestants lived in slum housing with no mod cons, just like their English, Scottish and Welsh counterparts, whilst overseas many subjects of that Empire were in chains and kept subjugated by force of arms.

    In the countryside whilst the aristocracy built palaces with their plundered wealth the rural folk lived in hovels. Now we have a few pence these same aristos charge us to walk around their homes and grounds which were built with the sweat and blood of our ancestors. Proving such people have no shame.

    How any rational human being could think such things are something to be proud of is beyond me.

  • vanhelsing

    MV – first happy birthday.

    MV – “These same double standards are equally applicable here in the Queens visit to Southern Ireland and the ‘normalization of relations’. What normalization is there for the victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombing done in that same ‘ Queen’s name ‘ and by service personnel who had sworn their Oaths of allegiance to, that they held their commissions from and in whose name they operated when they massacred and maimed, innocent Twenty-Six County men, women and children.”

    Come now. Are you really asking for a list of IRA, INLA atrocities? And “done in the Queens name” – not sure you can attribute the Dublin and Monaghan bombings to HRH – as much as you would clearly like to.

    MV “How can there be morality in Irish public life” you’re again on dangerous ground if you preach morality and yet supported a terrorist campaign which caused the death [across of the board] of more than 3,000. It’s maybe also a little off thread.

    Back on thread – ‘Brand Britain’ has been massively boosted by the wedding of the Baron and Baroness of Carrickfergus and I hope that there will be spin off tourist benefits for ‘Brand Ireland’ – ROI of course 🙂

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    ‘Get up off your knees, no one is British and certainly not Betsy’s brood. Only English actors in Hollywood who fear typecasting as the villain or poor deluded Irish people who are ashamed of their nationality claim they are. Britishness is a fantasy created to deceive’

    lol, typical sectarian dribble at it’s finest on Slugger. I guess this is the ‘Ireland of equals’ that SF talk about lol.

    As for whoever said billions watch the superbowl… sheesh…

    Friday was probably one of the World’s biggest events in terms of global televised audiences. Personally, I ain’t a massive fan of the Royal family but even I was pretty awed by the occassion. As for Pita, 😉

  • Munsterview

    Vanh…Thanks.

    It would be seriously off thread to again rehash the evidence, actual and circumstantial for the claim that spooks and personnel from British services were involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

    I am also a bit weary of providing these type proofs as in the British Army Counter Insurgency activities in the Six Counties : even when I provided audio links to come of these security conference addresses where senior British Army ranks could be heard speak on these issues for themselves, I do not think it changed too many attitudes on the ‘other side’, judging by slugger responses.

    With regard to morality in Public Life or political activity, there is no moral equivalence or relativity between the Southern State reaction, that of Britain and ‘the terrorists’ (whoever they may be) activities.

    The State has a clear duty and obligation to uphold certain values irrespective of what the opponents of the State may have done or are suspected of doing. That is why the Irish Government successfully sued the British Government for its torture and ill-treatment of Internees. I happen to know the serving British Army doctor, now a leading surgeon, who objected to that abuse and had it stopped.

    There was no doubt in this Medical man’s mind that the practices of ‘interrogation in dept.’ back then were as flagrant abuse of Human Rights as ‘water-boarding’ and other such practices are now in dealing with current ‘terrorism’.

    A State is required to observe and uphold certain universal norms and this is quite apart from and in no way dependent on, how ‘the enemy’ behaves, there is no moral equivalence applicable here.

  • Brian

    GF

    I’m a US citizen (and Irish as well).

    I am a slave to no one, except my personal demons.

    MV

    I like your post, except for your use of quotes on ‘terrorism’. An organization that plants bombs with the intention of killing as many innocent people as possible needs no quotes around their description.

    My cousin recently got back Iraq. He told this story of what happened in Kirkuk.

    There is a big field where all the Kurdish kids play soccer and other games.
    One day a car came out of nowhere and drove onto the field. It exploded, killing and crippling many. All the surviving kids started running to the two alleys which were the only exits. At that time two more cars drove into both alleys. They exploded amidst the fleeing children.

    My cousin, crying, described helping shovel body parts up when they were called to help clean and secure the area.

    Pure, absolute evil. Pure terrorism. These scum deserve the title of ‘terrorists’ if anyone does. These death cult fanatics deserve no rights.

    (BTW Al Queda was/is trying desperately to (re)start a sectarian civil war-that is the explanation for those types of bombings)

    But I’m sure someone will be able to blame the occupying forces for these deaths.

  • Munsterview

    Brian,

    I have no doubt that events like you so graphically describe are now common place in the Middle East and will be common place there for the foreseeable future. And yes, I do blame Western Powers, Blair, Bush and all such warmongers in particular. They, all informed, impartial opinion will now agree, trumped up the cause for the war.

    Sadam was a tyrant but he could have been contained and dealt with politically, slowly and systematically, if the International Community of Nations had been allowed to act through the UN.

    The lessons of Yugoslavia were there for all to see but in pursuit of a ‘behind closed doors’ agenda that had little to do with the International rule of law, they unleashed forces that cannot be defeated, just contained and reduced to ‘an acceptable level of violence’ God help Iran as an ‘acceptable level of violence’ now and for the future will be a small car bomb killing ten or a dozen rather than the carnage you so graphically described.

    Brian, I am afraid that you are confusing cause and effect here!

    If the US and Britain wanted to come to grips with International Terrorism ( without the pips) they could have forced Israel to behave as democratically civilized countries are supposed to behave in relation to Palestine. They have done no such thing and the double standards and hypocrisy has become the cross that the Islamic Peoples world wide have nailed the ‘Christian West’ on.

    Incidently Christians had existed in Iran since the time of the Carpenters son walked the earth. What Sadam started with Marsh Arabs they are responsible for finishing and there are probably now more nominal christians in the occupation armies than there are of the native Iraqi variety.

    Then there is Pakistan and all that the West is turning a blind eye to there but as I said to Van, this is not the thread for it!

  • vanhelsing

    As much as some clearly dislike ‘Elizabeth Windsor’ [isn’t that what the Shinners call her [she/the Monarchy are clearly here to stay and in fact doing some visiting I hear.

    HRH and in fact the Royal Family are in the best position they have ever been in since the mid 1980’s.

    Republicans [no not those ones] are I’m sure crawling into their caves – woe befall us they cry as they see how popular the recent wedding was! I’m sure they sound like those Romans Senators ‘the republic, the republic’

    In Northern Ireland there is massive support for the Monarchy from one side of the community and whilst I respect the beliefs on the ‘other side’ – the fact of the matter is that they are a massive tourist attraction to the UK in general and some clever marketing folk should really more neatly tie them in with ‘Brand Britain’ or should that be ‘Brand United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’ 🙂

    Nuff said

  • Brian

    Bin Laden is dead

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    aye, dead but his ‘spirit’ lives on. Scary times methinks.

  • Greenflag

    Brian ,

    ‘I am a slave to no one’

    Wonderful . I’m happy for you. Don’t take it personal -I did use the words ‘some ‘ and perhaps’ in that comment which was somewhat tongue in cheek at the ludicrous subject v citizen topic again 😉

    Even when and if the USA becomes a democracy again your personal demons will remain your own business . But good luck with them. Not being a believer in demons etc I cannot comment further.

    But congrats to the USA for finally tracking down and removing Osama Bin Laden and sending him to that place where 72 virgins eagerly await his arrival .As he’s been ‘buried’ at sea they may have to be mermaids ? It seems he was found in a fortified complex within a stones throw of the equivalent of Pakistan’s ‘pentagon’ . Questions will be asked no doubt in coming days of how the Pakistani Government were unaware of Osama’s ?

    Good news for many around the world and not before time . As for the consequences in terms of further attacks from Al Quaeda ? Religious fanaticism is a hydra headed monster and always has been regardless of the specific religion .

  • pippakin

    I hope there will be a thread about Bin Laden on Slugger, the north knows more than most the suffering caused by terrorists.

    .

  • Im not sure we need a thread Pippakin but obviously it would have to comply with Slugger obituary rules.

  • pippakin

    fjh

    Obituary rules? Oh well in that case probably best not to bother, besides I’ve done a little ‘obituary’ for him on my own blog.

  • Maybe the first thread could just be news. I look forward to the obit, perhaps Fitz you might take that one yourself:)

  • Alas vanhelsing, I have only ever started two threads on Slugger and I type much too slowly to be a regular.

  • RepublicanStones

    An organization that plants bombs with the intention of killing as many innocent people as possible needs no quotes around their description.

    indeed

    http://tinyurl.com/5umbqgc

    But it all depends who plants the bombs and who the victims are I guess.

    BTW Al Queda was/is trying desperately to (re)start a sectarian civil war-that is the explanation for those types of bombings

    Imagine stirring up sectarian strife for political ends

    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/zunes.php?articleid=8668

    Do we even need go near the US’ own backyard to examine the ‘fostering of sectarianism’? We could be here all night.