“it’s something that certainly never happened under the stewardship of Tony Blair or Gordon Brown.”

The visit by the British Labour Party leader, Ed Miliband, to Stormont today may have come as a surprise to the press [and the NI Labour Party… – Ed], but the Northern Ireland First and deputy First Ministers were ready with their latest whinge.  Apparently the UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, isn’t prepared to meet them just to listen to their special little pleading.

From the breakingnews.ie report

Also accusing the coalition British government of backtracking on financial commitments made during the peace process, Mr McGuinness said Mr Cameron’s approach stood in stark contrast to that of the previous Labour government.

“We took the opportunity at the meeting we just had (with Mr Miliband) to explain the particularly difficult economic circumstances that we are faced with at this time and raised the issue of the reneging on the financial agreement made (in 2006) at St Andrews with the Labour administration by the Cameron-led Government,” he said.

“We also put on record our total dissatisfaction that in the past eight months neither the First Minister or I have met with the Prime Minister.

“This is a totally unacceptable situation and it’s something that certainly never happened under the stewardship of either Tony Blair or Gordon Brown.” [added emphasis]

Mr Robinson appeared to take a swipe at the current British government as he welcomed Mr Miliband’s offer of an open-door policy between Stormont and the Opposition.

“We very much welcome the offer you have made of an open-door approach,” he said. “Would that it was the approach we had in other places as well.”

Well, you should know the routine by now, guys.  Your first port-of-call is the NI Secretary of State.  Them’s the new ground rules.   No more ‘negotiating’ in Downing Street.  Nor dropping in for tea…

You can always invoke “the JMC dispute resolution mechanism”, as you were threatening to do…

That would show them, eh?

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  • Id be surprised if Ed Miliband even knew the “Northern Ireland Labour Party” exists. Im not so sure myself.

  • Alanbrooke

    if you were Cameron would you want to meet these two ?

  • perseus

    always the “begging bowl”,
    will the hard-working tax payers of GB ever have the guts to make NI an election issue.
    Its a cool 10 billion they are sweating to pay, in return for nought.

    That’s
    £ 10, 000, 000, 000 of karmic debt,
    at a time when libraries and citizens advice bureaus are being closed.
    Arise people of GB and cast off this burden once and for all.

  • Following fitzjameshorse1745 @ 8:22 pm, I, too, would be surprised to meet NILP. I though it went out of existence around ’87.

    Did brother Ed arrive in a puff of smoke and a DeLorean?

  • ItwasSammyMcNally

    Cant see the problem in talking to the Viceroy myself and certainly no harm in getting the Unionists on board to give Cameron an earful.

    .. do love the idea of Marty getting Robbo to join in with all the anti-Briitish government stuff.

  • Seemingly so……but would any Labour Party staffer actually have a NILP name in their blueberry or blackberry or whatever?
    Whatever Ed was doing here .he wasnt handing out application forms and getting bank account details.

  • andnowwhat

    I thought Cameron was a comitted unionist.

    Semms, not enough to stick his arse on a plane for a one hour flight. Probably best for the UUP that he doesn’t though. Kennedy and Mc Gimpsey wouldn’t want us all reminded that they were (supposedly) in league with the cutting tories

  • Cynic2

    “We also put on record our total dissatisfaction that in the past eight months neither the First Minister or I have met with the Prime Minister.”

    THE PM doesn’t have the time to meet every Council Leader. And they have the SOS to speak to. Perhaps they could spend the time more profitably actually sorting out Stormont instead of trying to run to Mammy.

    I also suspect that Marty will find a cooler atmosphere in Dublin now. Still, Gerry can buy him a coffee

  • It seems everyones in agreement that the British government have very little regard in what happens in north Ireland as long as there are no bombs going off.

    Partition makes very little economic sense and I doubt it’s all that relevant to Britians international interests either.

    However, if the British government is going to continue to impose partition upoun the people of Ireland then the norths problems become Englands problems and it has the right to be treated with the same respect as Scotland and Wales.

  • Driftwood

    Stormont has even less power or responsibility than its closest real administration (in all senses):

    http://www.gov.im/government/council/council.xml

    They should meet with each other twice a year and leave the real government alone. Half an hour on a RIB to the House of Keys, trebles all round, and dont bother the powers that be at the National Parliament at Westminster.

  • Old Mortality

    No Daniel, devolution means you’ve got to get on with it yourself. If you’re a bit short of cash, try raising it yourself. How about water charges, for instance?

  • Cynic2

    “if the British government is going to continue to impose partition”

    Oh Daniel. It’s not the Brits you have to worry about, its us Proddies here. And over the next few decades you may be glad of a bit of partition if Ireland collapses economically

  • andnowwhat

    Lord above Mortality, if we do have water charges the events of December re. NIW (I think there might possibly be a blog or 2 on Slugger about NIW) proves that we need that infastructure sorted not used as a general tax.

    Driftwood is right in that our situation is more akin to Manchester council than a real goverment.

    What we do have (although it is getting worse) is a very good education system producing potentially high quality labour.

    We need consumers with money. Been in Belfast city centre lately? It looks like hukster central and will get worse lest we find a large number of jobs.

    Using water charges, plastic bag taxes, text taxes etc. are only part of the illusion that we really have some sort of goverment now.

    We have as tory lead coalition with a tory lead LD party and there is nothing we could have done as we have NO say in the matter. Are youi or anyone else saying that that is a decent situation, that it remotely resembles democracy?

    Hell. the Tory’s sister party could not even get one MP and I think I am right in saying, could only get one MP in Scotland and yet both areas have to suffer something they did not vote for.

    I know someone will play the fall of the celtic tiger card. Personally, I never bought that crap in the first place. Having said that, the buzz has gone from a weeken out in Belfast too and (as I said|) Royal Avenue etc looks a mess.

    Let’s not also forget that at one time the UK was very, very close to losing it’s AAA status there

  • ItwasSammyMcNally

    Cynic2,

    “Oh Daniel. It’s not the Brits you have to worry about, its us Proddies here. And over the next few decades you may be glad of a bit of partition if Ireland collapses economically”

    Not often I agree with you, but you are quite right, the British have repealed the Government of Ireland Act and the constitutional future of Ulster lies only with the people on both sides of the border.

  • joeCanuck

    Why would he meet them. The normal rule of politics is “you scratch my back…”
    SF no longer have a threat and no voting MPs and Cameron doesn’t need the DUP votes and never could count on them. He just needs to keep his pet poodle, Mr.Clegg.

  • andnowwhat
  • Driftwood

    andnowwhat
    Your ‘reminder’ -which few will have ft access to- is from May 2009, and only partly relevant. The Republic is in much deeper shit than the UK *at present* though these things can shift.
    Northern Ireland, despite the petty mudslinging, is bad but nowhere near as bad as it could be because of the MASSIVE subsidy from Westminster. There have been NO “Tory Cuts” at all. Future increases in (huge)expenditure have been reduced, but these are not ‘cuts’.
    The UK regions – including NI- got off lightly, just a reduction in the increased expenditure for the province.
    Enda Kenny does not have such a benevolent benefactor.

  • andnowwhat

    Erm DW, what about the 4 billion in the bloc grant?

    I put up that link to support my previous post regarding how things WERE going at that time. If you do a search there are many, many other such stories from MSM along the same line.

    It muist be remembered that much of the debt in the ROI is not that of the citizens but of the financial and private development sector.

    BTW I would givemy right arm to see the behind the door policies that the tories had BEFORE they came in to goverment ie. before they saw the books. I wonder how different what they were and what they are doing now is truely different and thus how idealogically driven their actions are.

  • Cynic2

    ” What did the Romans ever do for us? …………. Eh………….Oh bugger

  • joeCanuck

    It must be remembered that much of the debt in the ROI is not that of the citizens but of the financial and private development sector.

    Yeah right. Who’s paying off the debt?

  • Cynic2

    Can we start a “101 Uses of Partition” Thread?

    1 Gives Mark McGregor something to do in life

    2 They now have to put up with Gerry

    3 We dont

    4 Keeps people employed in Newry

    5 Allows those on the average industrial wage to maintain Donegal holiday homes the tax man doesn’t know about while their Unionist brethren can hide cash in ‘Ulster Bank’ accounts in the Republic, consoling themselves with the title

    6 Helps persuade Southerners that NI drink is cheap

    7 Avoids the need for costly inquiries in pedophilia and corruption in the North as we can pretend we don’t have any

    8 Keeps more Northern Culchies out of Dublin and havin’ them ruin the look of the place

    9 Allows Dail Eireann to focus on real polices and problems rather than flag waving and religious head counts

    10 Means that anyone critically ill on the Southern side of the border can get a chance of being treated in a real hospital in the hated North

    11 Allows us all to negotiate for money from Europe / America for the benighted border region where all those big houses are very hard to heat and maintain

    …………………………………………

  • Prince William shows Martin McGuinness how to toss a pancake. Unfortunately Comical Marty will only get to see a recording of the greatest event in Belfast since …. It’s something that certainly never happened under the stewardship of Tony Blair or Gordon Brown.

  • It’s all a bit of a media pantomime, isn’t it, this political farce lark.

    Wannabe staged stars playing the arse of a clothed [trojan] horse

  • 241934 john brennan

    Why should Dave invite Peter and Martin for tea and biscuits at 10 Downing St – with all travelling/hotel expenses etc paid for by the taxpayer?

    What is there in it for Dave?

    After all Dave well knows that no matter how much he cuts the Block Grant, or personally snubs them, either jointly or separately, neither is going to trouble him by actually turning up at Westminster to verbally abuse him, or to actually vote against his government. So what leverage do Peter and Martin now have – more empty threats – public protests? More boycotts of Stormont? Return to violence?

  • Neil

    David Cameron, isn’t prepared to meet them just to listen to their special little pleading.

    True that. Seems Posh Boy Call Me Dave isn’t prepared to do any more leg work than was necessary pre election (ya know, dipping in, telling lies, killing the UCUNF with percieved kindness). Certainly he was prepared to go that little bit further to attempt to restore the fortunes of the Unionist party – must have been harking back to the good old days when they ran the show.

    I think this article hits the nail on the head:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7005503.ece

    Brown, Blair etc., were prepared to go the extra mile, to meet with people who weren’t their natural bedfellows, in an attempt to help things along here. As far as Posh Boy’s concerned as long as there are no bombs here there’s no reason to clear half an hour off his calendar – shouldn’t be a problem now since he’s no longer employing a photographer he’s bound to have an extra few minutes a day.

    From his behaviour, through his hilarious and spectacular failure with the UCUNF debacle, the attempt at an arrangement to prevent a SF first minister to his changing of one Westminster ‘rule’ to preserve another to allow him to bate Adams – he is a typical Tory, anti-Republican, anti working class and a pathological liar.

    Tack onto that the disaster a day since taking office right up to his mooted no-fly zone (which made him a global laughing stock) and the disastrous mission to Libya staffed with Mi6 and SAS (diplomats, lol). He’s a dickhead. At this rate no one could hope for a better Tory, he should sicken the entire nation of the party for another few parliaments at least, once he’s effectively privatised and decimated the NHS and taken the economy further and further down the toilet.

    Milliband with efforts like this, across the UK and NI, should ensure that they are prepared to give him a chance. With Posh Boy Call Me Dave’s attitude, arrogance, and the eye for a good political maneuvre (let’s face it between Hatfield and UCUNF he’s proven he’s a little bit incompetent with NI matters) most outside England will be looking forward to seeing the back of him.

  • Cynic2

    “people who weren’t their natural bedfellows”

    I thought that the point was that they were natural bedfellows. Lying devious manipulative and war mongering

    “to bate Adams”

    Oh aye. Cameron sits there every day in No 10 thinking “How can I do Gerry down”. More like “Gerry who?” If he really wanted to bate Gerry he might have a little trawl down of past information and leak that selectively t the media

    “most outside England will be looking forward to seeing the back of him.”

    Yeah but the English do have a bit of a say in the election. I know that is shocking

  • Neil

    “people who weren’t their natural bedfellows”

    I thought that the point was that they were natural bedfellows. Lying devious manipulative and war mongering

    Lying – Tory. See NHS reforms, for example. Hatfield if that’s not enough.

    Devious/Manipulative – I’ll give you that one, for one simple reason. Posh Boy Call Me Dave has proven a complete lightweight in trying to work out the repercussions of his actions. That’s why he’s had to deal with a major fuck up weekly. He ain’t devious and he couldn’t manipulate a moron, to his detriment.

    War mongering – yeah that’s a definite Tory trait. Pretty much every Tory government in history has initiated a war, for example Maggie’s efforts in the Falklands. Wage war, hold onto power.

    Oh aye. Cameron sits there every day in No 10 thinking “How can I do Gerry down”. More like “Gerry who?” If he really wanted to bate Gerry he might have a little trawl down of past information and leak that selectively t the media

    More that it’s his default position, that an opportunity to wind up the fenians is not to be missed for him, regardless of repercussions. See Hatfield for a specific example. He went ahead with that and as a direct result two (Catholic) candidates walked out of his UCUNF and in effect helped sink the party. That was a good idea wasn’t it cynic? Well, a good idea for Republicans, though that wasn’t his intention. A useful idiot one might say.

    Nice work Dave, you fucked your mates over because you couldn’t resist the opportunity to get one over (or try and fail to) Republicans in NI. But then as you know cynic, it’s just one in a long, long line of fuck ups by Posh Boy Call Me Dave.

    most outside England will be looking forward to seeing the back of him.”

    Yeah but the English do have a bit of a say in the election. I know that is shocking

    Shocking to a moron perhaps. It would come as no surprise to a reasonable person that the 81% of voters from England would have (more than) a bit of a say in ‘the election’. Then again it was your side of the fence that enforced their minority rule on the vast majority of Catholics in Ireland. You have form there ya see, even post Act of Union you boys gerrymandered your way across the province so that you had power not commensurate to your numbers.

    So when you talk about democracy, and the majority having the final say, try and apply that to the island in which you live, and the behaviour of your sect over the past century – as most anyone will tell you you guys love democracy when it suits you – but you’ll gladly load the deck and cheat your way into power, it’s what you have done in the past. You cannot say the same about my community.

  • I say, referee, come on now, play the white man.

    Whenever someone presents …It is all you can expect from a bankrupt intellectual pygmy, CS. He’s just following stupid orders and he’s found his place and is quite comfortable there. they get admonished and their post removed with the explanation …Calling Peter Robinson a “pygmy” is name calling, and would count as “playing the man” in my books. ….. but whenever the Prime Minister is call a dickhead, is everything hunky dory.

    I demand an investigation and stewards’ inquiry. 🙂

  • Neil

    Incidentally, as a quick aside given your love of fairness re the > 80% of the poulation/taxpayers/voters residing in England, do you ever apply your touching concern to the fact that those > 80% pick up the bill for your communities annual coat trailing event, and associated bonfires (or burning tips as they are), security etc over the 12th?

    After all, it’s in every British person in the UK’s interest to pay through the nose so a tiny group of people can enjoy the sectarian orangefest don’t you think?

    As I said before there are 5 countries in these isles. Unionists make up a very small majority in one of them. Everyone else wants rid of you, apart from the Republic. How does it feel to be the only group in these isles who truly want this union? How does it feel to look at Republicans knowing they are in agreement with the majority of Irish, Scots Welsh and English, while NI Loyalists spend their time dreaming about how ‘we’re as British as Finchley’? Another Tory lie, amusingly swallowed hook line and sinker by our tattooed, beer swilling Loyal friends.

  • Aontachtach

    Neil
    Do you really believe the ROI wants NI? I would have my doubts about that. I certainly would agree that 10 or 15 years ago the majority of the people in GB would have loved to be shot of us. Not so sure about now. There will be a lot of mainlanders out welcoming home Northern Irish soldiers returning from Afghanistan in a couple of months.

    How many Unionists do you know? None of my unionist friends have tattoos and nor do they swill beer. Most of them are partial to a decent bottle of wine and never go near a Orange parade. You seem to like to tar Unionists with the same brush. Are you saying that republicans don’t partake of the working class brew in large amounts and would never have a tattoo on their body?

  • Cynic2

    Neil

    You really are a little bag of bile today.

    For example ‘your communitiies (sic) annual coat trailing …. etc etc” you seem to want to label everyone in black and white terms that you define. So I am a Protestant or Unionists and therefore must be pro Orange. Well, I for one am not. I think they are mad. But they have the right to be mad and believe what they want to …just as a ll those who prance about at Commemorations for Dead ‘volunteers’ (ie murderers) have th right to commemorate their sick anniversaries.

    “Everyone else wants rid of you, apart from the Republic” …. I think you may find that most people in the Republic dont want to touch either of our communities in the North. You also seem to have a big problem with the Conservative Party. Well that;s your right too as a British Citizen