19 Independents meet to form a technical group.

Fascinating little scenario developing here. You can only have one technical group (which affords speaking rights) amongst otherwise unaffliated groups and individual TDs in Dail Eireann. So all 19 Independents are meeting this evening to see if they can agree to form one.

It’s thought that as many as 16 or as few as 11 could form a single group. If it was the upper figure it would almost certainly incorporate individuals with some pretty sharply divergent beliefs, that would have to find some clever means to divvying up those speaking rights in a way that satisfied all interests.

It would also mean this group would be the third [fourth actually Mick – Ed] biggest in the 31st Dail, just ahead of Sinn Fein.

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  • Big Boss

    So despite all the gains by SF this week they would be reduced to the 5th largest group in the Dail!! lol….

  • Mack

    Yes I think Mick got that wrong

    It would also mean this group would be the third biggest in the 31st Dail, just ahead of Sinn Fein.

    FG, Labour, FF, Inds, SF

  • dwatch

    SF are now pushed back to be fifth group in Dail Eireann. Surely all three groups FF with 20 TD’s Ind & others with 19 TD’s and SF with 14 TD’s not in government cannot be in opposition unless they all agree to form one group of 53 TD’s.
    I cannot see FF agree to share the opposition with SF.
    However is it possible for Ind & Others forming a group of 33 TD ‘s with SF, and block FF’s 20 TD’s out?

  • Mark McGregor

    SF are 4th and stay 4th no matter what happens with Inds. Standing orders place the technical group beneath a party based one regardless of its numerical strength.

  • John Ó Néill

    @ MMcG

    “…Standing orders place the technical group beneath a party based one regardless of its numerical strength.”

    Thats my understanding of it too – there are no additional resources attached to a technical group (as opposed to political party) just speaking rights etc – unless you formally change parties (to another registered party). Ironically, if Labour follow through on doing the coalition deal they will have passed out FF only to be junior coalition partners to Fine Gael, who will lead the government, against an opposition led by FF. Plus ça change… as pretentious people say.

  • maca

    “I cannot see FF agree to share the opposition with SF.”

    I wouldn’t put anything past them at this stage.

  • dwatch

    “I cannot see FF agree to share the opposition with SF.”

    Maca: ‘I wouldn’t put anything past them at this stage.’

    If Ireland can stuff England at cricket when the Aussies can’t beat them in the ashes recently, suppositions that the SDLP and UUP form an opposition pact in the assembly, and Fianna Fail lose 57 TD’s since formation of the ROI anything can happen.

  • Marcus McSpartacus

    “So despite all the gains by SF this week they would be reduced to the 5th largest group in the Dail!! lol….”

    Not only LOL! But LMFAO! And ROFL!

    Seriously, please: STFU with the TXTSPK

  • J Kelly

    Hi folks i knew it wouldn’t take you long to attempt to minimise Sinn Feins results last week, the reality is this 392603 people in this country north and south vote for Sinn Fein the third largest party. Read them and weep….

  • tuatha

    If Labour becomes the minor party of a coalition they will cop the criticism when, not IF, the situation worsens and destroy any hope they might have had of winning more seats in the dire future.
    They should establish themselves as the Opposition (without threatening No Confidence malarkey every five minutes) and steadily develop sufficient policy credibility (and, perhaps… gasp! integrity?) to offer a credible alternative government with other left Indis when the faeces interfaces with the air movement device.
    As it inevitably will, the only question is how soon.