Stoicism where are you? (the fear of a unflushed poo)

We’ve experienced one of the longest and deepest cold spells for decades.

Mooch has been tracking the effects for those in the big city and Kilsally has done a parrrellel blog on how awful things are for country people.

On twitter Martin McAuley has been heading up the blame NI Water campaign.

Though going back to basics it was just extreme cold, burst pipes, water drained from the system and websites finding it difficult to cope with exceptional demand.

When push comes to shove, some people are so demanding they’ll suggest they get a day off work for fear of a turd not being flushable.

Catching a grip and actually remembering the weather we had in December seems an option for too few.

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  • joeCanuck

    Indeed, if you have a problem you can just accept it or, preferably, deal with it (can’t you tell I’m an engineer) and find a solution. Just moaning that life is unfair doesn’t help in the least.

  • pippakin

    What the lack of water is actually saying is the infrastructure was rubbish. Pipes were laid too close to the surface, not lagged and not properly maintained.

    It does not take a genius to work out that if the water is not restored reasonably quickly then there is a risk to health. The days when the toilet was at the end of the yard are gone.

  • wild turkey

    JC, yeah you are dead on about moaning, but in this time of crisis and peril, the victimhood industry will be in 5th gear.

    “The days when the toilet was at the end of the yard are gone.”

    and now we experience when the board room seats are, uh, toilets.

    I must have missed it, but can someone point me to the NIWs CEOs statement on the current debacle.

    or maybe the current structure of NIW, including CEO and senior management, board and departmental oversight is a just a busted flush,

    oh yeah, given the spatial distribution of the water service breakdown, i can’t wait to read the next edition of the A’town news.

    Note to Marty Miller: will the paper be expressing the rage and pain of the community…. or the view from the board, sorry balcony?

  • pippakin

    Hello WT

    Everyone knows the victimhood industry is reserved for the exclusive use of Shinners and of course ex Shinners.

    The er problem is across Ireland. Dublin has cut supplies and even Mayo has lowered the water pressure!

    It does have its funny side but not if there are young children or elderly people in the house. And definitely not if it goes on for more than a day or so.

  • joeCanuck

    On BBC World News, Minister Murphy says he has been in constant contact with NIW Executives and they have assured him that they are doing everything possible. What the f**k? He should be at their headquarters directing, chairing or at least sitting in on emergency Board meetings (they are having those meetings??).
    Who can fire an incompetent Minister? If nobody (consider Ruane) then the system is even more useless than I originally thought. Bah.

  • 241934 john brennan

    The millions already wasted on dodgy contracts – and which will be wasted on defending and paying out on compensation claims, by sacked NI Water Board directors – is not now the main concern. That is presenty the lack of any water in the pipes and loos.

  • edgeoftheunion

    Old school Govt information.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHBYz20GEts

    I wonder what the family would do today?

  • Mark

    Mark McG ,

    I see from your thread you really are talking shit this time . ( haha )

  • With approximately 500 folks i queued for 2 hours to get my allowance of water last night. Well only 8 litres coz thats all the containers i had!
    All in all the crowd was pretty passive, at least it wasn’t raining that would have been far too ironic and i dare say would have pushed people a little too far.
    Despite saying that the water would be available at Avoniel at 8pm a tanker didn’t turn up till 8.45. A council worker did keep us informed with a megaphone and to speed the arrival up the tanker got a police escort from 2 landrovers.
    When a fire engine turned up i heard one woman shout “Here love you can put that hose here” to guffaws.
    My water is back on but for how long so i’m off for the three S’s

  • JAH

    Current tally is:

    No holiday due to flights abandoned.
    No car as it slid off the road and shattered front suspension.
    No heat/hot water as boiler blew up on Christmas Day.

    But all under control and being fixed.

  • The Raven

    If I recall correctly, about £150 on average of your domestic rates bill goes towards water. It took them 26 hours to get the water back on where I am. For £400, would they have done it in, say, 19…? If so, I don’t give a ***k.

    That said, oh dear, Murphy…you’ve really completed the triumvirate of idiocy formed by Ruane and Gildernew.

    My mother, who lived in East Belfast during the Belfast Blitz, remains unfazed, despite no water for three days. She keeps a supply of bottled water, tins of food, candles, a camping stove, extra blankets and a big jar of home heating oil at all times, in the utility room of a two-up-two-down. Any chance others, (under the age of 79), could do likewise? Whinging want-it-now feckers.

  • tacapall

    NIHE must take a lot of responsibility for this fiasco, I know of a block of flats in the New Lodge area, one of the tower blocks on Boxing Day, where every single flat in the building was flooding but no-one would answer the beleagured residents calls to the repair line, thousands of other NIHE residents were in the same predicament, the finger cannot be just pointed at Conor Murphy and NIW

  • the.digger.notes

    This is the future. Get used to it or change it. Your choice. Simples

  • al

    Yes the weather has caused many problems the last few weeks but the problems in NI have once again been managed extremely poorly. The Stormont executive needs to ask serious questions about how the events of this winter have been dealt with. I’m pretty sure the rest of the UK and Ireland had just as bad conditions? It’s very well blaming NI Water and previously Roads Service but they have limited resources and poor infrastructure. The minister in charge of DRD and his mates caused these problems years ago by bombings and sabotage of the very infrastructures he is now in charge of.

    I don’t like blaming anyone for what they were involved with in the past but the fact of the matter is Murphy screwed up then and he’s screwed up again. He is just as incompetent as the rest of them in Stormont and the sooner they get given the boot and some born and breed younger politicians move in the better. The fact the government cannot provide running water has to be viewed as a major political cock up, afterall it is the government that runs NI Water.

  • tacapall

    How can NIW be blamed for burst pipes inside the homes of thousands of people, for NIHE residents it is the NIHE’s responsibility and for private residents their own responsibility, indeed it is the Fire service who should be congratulated for their response as it was them who responded when no-one else did, helping people when the NIHE and NIW wouldn’t even answer their phones. In fact the NIHE’s contractors who are supposed to be on stand by for this sort of thing refused to answer their phones to the NIHE also.

  • The Raven

    Oh and to add: Meanwhile, back in the real world, people are still homeless…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12088871

    There are 23 vacant properties within a twenty minute walk of where I live. These are all private houses, bought by developers, now sitting vacant and empty, because the banks will not finance their grandiose schemes.

    23 vacant properties, vandalised and nothing more than the grounds for anti-social behaviour, each of which could be housing a family in the harshest part of the year. When are we REALLY going to get serious about societal problems in this corner of the world?

  • al

    I find it hard to beleive that people allowed their homes to flood to such an extent that the reservoirs are running dry. I would hazzard a guess and say the large proportion of leaks are in private properties however the real problems are caused by burst mains pipes underground.

  • Yes, al, just because 70% of the leaks are on private property, that doesn’t mean they account for 70% of the volume of water lost: there is a limit to the rate water can travel down small pipes.

  • There is a risk in unflushed poo – Gillian McKeith may come and look at it!

  • tacapall

    Al its hard to believe but it happened, this pointing the finger at Conor Murphy is simple political opportunism, many factors contributed to this, the coldest weather we have had since records began, the timing of the cold snap during the christmas holidays, insufficent information for householders and business holders about what to do when this happens and insufficent response from landlords to their tenants calls.

  • Harry Flashman

    No this won’t do.

    I always notice how fans of state control and big government are the first to demand that the government “should do something” if it’s connected with things that are actually no bloody business of the government like diversity, “equality”, gender awareness, personal prejudices, outreach etc.

    They have no problem confiscating huge amounts of citizens’ hard earned money and encroaching on the liberty and freedoms of individuals in order to advance their statist control freakery but suddenly go all blase and demand a stiff upper lip when the self same (and apparently corrupt) government agencies fail in providing the absolute basic necessities that they have been overpaid to provide.

    The provision of clean water and the removal of sewage along with keeping the peace are perhaps two of the absolute basics of government that anti-statists will concede are probably why it is actually better to have central government paid for out of compulsory taxation. It appears however that the overpaid, incompetent morons in government in Northern Ireland are singularly incapable of providing even these simple necessities.

    If they can’t manage something as basic as getting rid of shit what is the fucking point of having them in the first place?

    Now don’t bother telling me that the cold weather is exceptional, I grew up in Northern Ireland and bitterly cold winter spells, whilst not uncommon, happened on average every eight or so years. I can recount the years from my past, they were easily remembered as the years when ice floes floated down the Foyle. If the twats in NI Water were unaware of this fact and didn’t make provision for it then they should have their contracts of employment terminated forthwith.

    And whilst I regard myself as a stoic who has never taken a sick day off work in my life (and I’d be interested to see the sick leave statistics for NI Water employees) has never turned up late, pays for my own family’s healthcare and education out of taxed income I have to say I for one would not be happy working in an environment where untreated human waste was left standing in my workplace. This would be especially so if I had already paid a sizable chunk of my personal income to some useless bureaucrat to flush the damned stuff away.

    If your government is incapable of carrying out its very basic functions then you are perfectly right to ask what the hell they are there for in the first place. Stiff upper lip be damned.

    Flush out the shit! Both the literal stuff and the incompent government workers.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Joe,

    What the f**k? He should be at their headquarters directing, chairing or at least sitting in on emergency Board meetings (they are having those meetings??).

    Technically, that’s not the Minister’s role. He represents the Executive as the sole shareholder of NIW, he doesn’t sit on the board.

    What he can do is initiate an investigation into this fiasco and make the reforms – clearly necessary – to ensure that this problem is better handled in future. As Mark rightly pointed out on twitter, the crazy thing is that there are local councillors and MLAs out there co-ordinating the efforts to get water to people – NIW don’t even seem to have had any kind of disaster plan in place to handle a crisis should it arise. Also, in this day and age it should be possible to keep a website up and running under unusual loads and provide some sort of working emergency phone number. There really is no excuse for continued outages.

    I agree that some of the comments aimed at Conor Murphy and/or the Executive are opportunism. There has been plenty of coverage here on Slugger and elsewhere suggesting that NIW hasn’t been especially well-run since around about the time it became a GoCo – this looks unfortunately like another manifestation of that incompetence.

    I have a hard time agreeing with the NIW guys blaming under-investment in infrastructure. If this was the problem then why haven’t they flagged it before ? Of course, if they have flagged it and it turns out that nothing was done then the focus will switch to the competency of the Executive and the Minister.

  • al

    tacapall if water and roads are going to be politicised then the obvious political response is for heads to roll. Stewart Stevenson resigned due to the state of roads in Scotland. Murphy was ineffective in organising Roads Service to clear roads and now he can’t sort out NI Water.

    Time to sort this out quick or get out.

  • This website is claiming that NIW staff on standby over the holiday period have not been called out……

    http://thewaterworker.com/news.php

  • Suspected mass murderer Martin McGuinness is now making veiled threats to NI Water workers about this. What is his problem? Does he object to dirty protests? Can we expect knee cappings to follow? Just what can Sinn Fein, bank robbers and kidnappers contribute to solving this storm in a waterless tea cup? Will they open the smuggling routes?
    Why doesn’t Martin go on a thirst strike until the workers get the w–kers’ water running again?
    Well Provos, another fine mess ye have got us into

  • The Raven

    “Now don’t bother telling me that the cold weather is exceptional” Except it was. Why weren’t the ordinary public ready, especially when they had warning.

    “but suddenly go all blase and demand a stiff upper lip” (sic) Bollocks. People were lazy, didn’t think ahead, too busy buying turkey and ham to ensure that their pipes were lagged and they had an extra 20 litres of water in the bottom of the larder.

    “This would be especially so if I had already paid a sizable chunk of my personal income to some useless bureaucrat to flush the damned stuff away.” You don’t pay THAT much of a sizeable amount. Also, on a yearly basis, you can turn on a tap and flush a loo, hassle-free for what? 364 days a year? And for next to ****-all. Gift, I say.

    As I said – if you want to pay £400 a year instead of £150 a year, just so you get the extra day/three days/whatever, be my guest. If you want to run for public office on that basis, be my guest too.

    A lot of Daily-Mail-reading-harrumphers types on here, from that “must have someone to blame” angle. People weren’t ready at ground level. Maybe now they’ll learn for next year.

  • Comrade Stalin

    There’s a lot of pure shite being talked here.

    Murphy was ineffective in organising Roads Service to clear roads and now he can’t sort out NI Water.

    I am not a supporter of SF but it has to be said that the Roads Service gritting and clearance following falls of snow and ice has improved significantly over the past five years. Not long ago, gritting was patchy and sporadic. These days, they are straight out of the starting blocks whenever there is a snowfall or frost. I think the management of road gritting was highly effective and run more or less like clockwork, it is a credit to the people who run it – and not least to the people out on Christmas Day making sure the main roads were safe and passable.

    There is a problem to do with the gritting of footpaths. It’s a political problem, and one that we need to solve, and it’s a shame that it hasn’t been sorted out after all this time. In that scenario the DRD and DOE need to agree on who should be responsible for doing this and how it should be resourced.

    NI Water does seem to have proven more difficult to sort out. I think it’s too early to call for Murphy’s head just yet.

  • tacapall

    FFS Alan take that plank out of your shoulder. Do you even know what you are talking about, have you seen at first hand the carnage to peoples homes with burst pipes, blocked drains etc left like that for days by uncaring and unresponsive actions by those in the NIHE and fatcat landlords who’s mindsets were more on themselves having a quiet and uninterrupted holiday than actually doing the jobs that they are paid for.

  • And i’d hazard a guess that those who are commenting about the so called whingers have water and are unaffected by all this

  • Comrade Stalin

    Raven:

    A lot of Daily-Mail-reading-harrumphers types on here, from that “must have someone to blame” angle. People weren’t ready at ground level. Maybe now they’ll learn for next year.

    Agreed that we can’t blame anyone for the freeze, or possibly the leaks. But NIW’s response has been woeful, far below the standard that would reasonably be expected IMO.

  • Harry Flashman

    “People were lazy, didn’t think ahead, too busy buying turkey and ham to ensure that their pipes were lagged and they had an extra 20 litres of water in the bottom of the larder.”

    Of course! It’s the fault of the people not the government workers, the ungrateful oafs.

    The useless peasants should have been stocking up for a siege instead of enjoying their hard earned leisure. I mean come on, why should ordinary tax payers expect overpaid and apparently corrupt government workers to actually be able to carry out their basic functions properly?

    It’s not as if bourgeois luxuries like the provision of clean drinking water and the removal of human excrement, something that most other developed societies seem to be able to manage year round, is that important compared to the building of a new Jerusalem is it?

  • Cynic2

    “Maybe now they’ll learn for next year”

    What, like they did last year? Today I saw queues of people in Belfast drawing water from standpipes into plastic buckets. Is this really what we want?

    Natural disasters come and go and its how Government responds that counts. So far all we have seen is a lot of hot air with the Minister going to NIW HQs to take control of something he has no legal control over . Great. Will he also take the blame? If its a shambles how will heads roll when he was the one in charge? Does he actually know what his role is?

    Then there is Marty calling all those senior managers from NIW to a Stormont for a chat today. Presumably in all the spare time they currently must have from trying to do something.

    Awwwww well. At least the outcome may be better for them that it would have been if they had been called in for a chat 20 years ago. That’s progress. I think.

  • The Raven

    “And i’d hazard a guess that those who are commenting about the so called whingers have water and are unaffected by all this”

    Moochin, my home had burst pipes last Christmas when I *stupidly* left it unheated and unattended for 36 hours at -13 temps, and no water for two days this year. I learned my lesson LAST year.

    I’ll say it again – people aren’t preparing themselves.

  • William Markfelt

    ‘That said, oh dear, Murphy…you’ve really completed the triumvirate of idiocy formed by Ruane and Gildernew.’

    Marty (who acts like someone sensible and comes over all statesmanlike) says he feels let down by NIW.

    The minister responsible (that’s spelt R E S P O N S I B L E) meanwhile seems to have said nothing other than he’s spoken to his lapdog/poodle/NIW CEO.

    If the contracts and NED sackings at NIW, and their subsequent mishandling, didn’t bring their downfall, this debacle must see them both removed from their positions.

  • William Markfelt

    ‘Today I saw queues of people in Belfast drawing water from standpipes into plastic buckets. Is this really what we want?’

    A week before Christmas we see TV adverts about the people in Africa who walk three miles each way to collect a gallon of fresh water, and are asked to think about donating a few quid to provide fresh water closer to their villages.

    A week after Christmas the communist ‘generals’ leading banana republics across sub-Saharan Africa are ringing Westland House asking if there’s anything they can do for the poor people of NI.

    Ho hum.

    It really is a total joke, and the biggest jokers involved MUST lose their jobs as a result of their persistent fuck ups.

    Like Al Capone (done for tax evasion) we’ll take McKenzie’s head on a plate any way we can.

  • tacapall

    ‘That said, oh dear, Murphy…you’ve really completed the triumvirate of idiocy formed by Ruane and Gildernew.’

    Marty (who acts like someone sensible and comes over all statesmanlike) says he feels let down by NIW.

    The minister responsible (that’s spelt R E S P O N S I B L E) meanwhile seems to have said nothing other than he’s spoken to his lapdog/poodle/NIW CEO.

    Says it all about what the real motives are behind some of the comments, seems to be more about attacking Sinn Fein.

  • Cynic2

    Tacapall

    Let me be clear. I think that Murphy is one of the more competent Ministers. But this is a mess and being in SF doesnt mean he cant be criticised or must be defended even when he makes a mess of something.

    I would say exactly the same no matter what party

    As for the ” triumvirate of idiocy ” well Education is a mess and we will be forced to pay hundreds of millions in fines for mismanagement in Agriculture. Then of course we have the shambles that is RPA and Finance and Procurement on Capital Projects (all of which belong to the DUPs) not to mention Mrs Robinson herself.

  • tacapall

    Cynic2 I am not saying Conor Murphy cannot be criticised but to point the finger at him and Sinn Fein alone is nothing more than sectarian opportunism. I was on standby over the holidays I was at peoples houses and flats trying to do what I could, 90% of the cases were burst or frozen pipes inside peoples properties nothing to do with Sinn Fein or NIW but the responsibility of the NIHE and private landlords who just didn’t care enough to even answer the emergency phonelines that are supposed to cater for this sort of situation. By the way we have a collective government, you know where we share power and responsibility and Sinn Fein are not the only party in that collective government.

  • The Raven

    “The useless peasants should have been stocking up for a siege instead of enjoying their hard earned leisure.”

    Hyperbole your forte, is it? Are you telling me that a tenner’s worth of cheap water from ASDA, (which should get you about 50 litre bottles to be fair), is beyond the capability of people who know there’s a cold snap coming? Like, you couldn’t get a few bottles in the summer, well in advance? I’m one of the peasants – I managed.

    Eight days is indefensible from the part of NIW. Two days is indefensible from the part of the public. Listen, you’re the harrumpher who began his post bewailing and bemoaning state intrusion into people’s lives. So let’s see people – not all of them, some of them, even just to ease the strain – take a little initiative. Is it so hard? I refer you back to the post of “the.digger.notes” above. Nolan’s on tomorrow – that should keep you happy. I also hope this improves people’s mindset when it comes to treating water as an important resource.

  • the.digger.notes

    Unite issued statement today but NI press has not picked it up.
    It read:
    A UNITE the union spokesperson has expressed sympathy with those experiencing difficulties with their water supply and placed the blame firmly at the feet of Northern Ireland Water.
    “The company has been caught out after forcing nearly 300 redundancies since 2009 and this has severely tested the company’s frontline capacity to deal with inclement weather conditions such as flooding and heavy snowfalls.”

    Likewise Unite issued statement on snow early last week which read:

    PAY THE JOBLESS TO CLEAR THE PATHWAYS

    UNITE the union has called for emergency funding to organise a national appeal for jobless volunteers to help clear the pathways of snow and ice with the reward of agreed union rates of pay and no impact to their benefits.
    Irish Regional Secretary Jimmy Kelly said: “The inclement weather, particularly in many rural towns and villages is having a catastrophic effect on the local economy.
    “What’s needed is a national and a rational plan to clear they byways and highways. Therefore, give the unemployed a chance of earning an early festive and New Year present with a call to organise volunteers in each council area.
    “We, as a society, might learn that there is a lot of valuable work that could benefit our people as against forced unemployment that benefits no one”.
    “We know the types that will turn this idea into a negative, the neo-liberal economists who supported the failed baking system and their supporters, the social commentators, who will call upon those who are unemployed and facing a hopeless future ‘to work for their benefits.’ This idea is totally unacceptable to Unite – the union supports a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.”

    Again cynicism in local media meant they refused to release it! A Daily Mirror journalist contacted the union saying ‘a great idea’ but no-one in government would instigate it therefore it was not a story worth following up.

  • joeCanuck

    Comrade,
    I assume that Murphy is responsible for hiring and firing at least the Board. If he is not down there watching the Board’s actions or lack thereof, how can he tell who is doing a good job and who is useless.?

  • Cynic2

    Great idea from Unite. Isn’t it now Coalition policy to make the long term unemployed work for benefits?

    I am delighted to see Unite get behind this. How progressive

  • Cynic2

    Tacapall

    Your desire to protect a SF Minister strains all credulity. My pipe of tolerence is at bursting point

  • 241934 john brennan

    Is it true that Conor Murphy has spoken to certain people in South Armagh, and has been assured that republicans are not to blame for water supply disruption? It was some criminal elements wot doen it

  • the.digger.notes

    cynic2
    Just to correct Cynic2 Unite is not calling for the unemployed to work for their benefits, the union is opposed to this, but it calls for a national emergency programme to pay volunteers the union rate for the jobs in helping clearing up this mess. Whether its heavy snowfall, flooding or burst water mains. There’s plenty of experienced people, 15,000 joined the dole queue this year alone in Northern Ireland, who are willing to volunteer as long as they get a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work. If we want a decent civic society then we have to act decently to those who are less well off.

  • DC

    No one is to blame, terrible weather, Housing Executive blames contractors for pipes not being buried deep enough on street etc etc.

    Carry on here. Nothing to see. Tomorrow’s another day.

  • tacapall

    “Tacapall, Your desire to protect a SF Minister strains all credulity. My pipe of tolerence is at bursting point”.

    Cynic2 I have no desire to protect anyone I dont vote Sinn Fein in fact I dont vote for anyone but I do wish to see those who share the blame get the same flak as the witch hunt thats going on against Conor Murphy and Sinn Fein I saw in dozens of cases of burst pipes the NIHE simply turned off the water supply to the properties and informed contractors and residents it was now a DRD problem. Inadequate lagging, poor workmanship and simply uncaring managers at the NIHE are just as much to blame if not more than NIW. How can NIW be responsible for burst pipes, frozen sewer pipes, blocked drains, frozen U-bends in peoples homes all around the country. NIW is responsible for a lot of the problems with the water supply but certainly not for everything that has happened over the cold snap.

  • joeCanuck

    No Tacappal,

    NIW cannot be blamed for the horrendous weather and the resultant mess. But they are responsible for delivering water to the citizenry and they are clearly falling flat on that. They should have had a well designed and tested emergency plan. Did they have one?

  • joeCanuck

    That last was for tacapall. OOps.

  • tacapall

    Joe did Scottish, Welsh or the Republics authorities have an emergency plan that could have coped with the unprecedented number of calls all around their respective areas of burst pipes or expect the coldest tempertures since records began. No-one forseen the sheer scale of the problems that are happening, all we can do is learn from the experience and ensure money is available to upgrade the infrastructure that we now know is totally inadequate for the type of tempertures recorded in the last few weeks here.

  • Pigeon Toes

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11976328

    “Scottish Transport Minister Stewart Stevenson resigns

    Stewart Stevenson apologised for his handling of the chaos brought on by the freezing weather

    Scotland’s beleaguered Transport Minister Stewart Stevenson has resigned over his handling of the travel chaos caused by the extreme winter weather.

    Snow and ice brought much of central Scotland’s road network to a standstill earlier this week.

    Mr Stevenson had faced days of pressure over the way he handled the problems.

    The SNP MSP said he “could have done much more to ensure that members of the public were better informed of the situation”.

  • Cynic2

    the.digger.notes

    the clue is in the pseudonym ……..

  • danidiot

    Did I really hear Alex Attwood calling this morning for a fund to help out those who havent got house insurance?

    Aye right…

  • 241934 john brennan

    Suggest SF change its game plan. leave Caitriona Ruane to play on her own up front, where she is unlikely to do more damage than presently. But to shore up the defence and stop leaking own goals, switch John O’Dowd to play sweeper behind Conor Murphy

  • joeCanuck

    tacapall,

    I think you’re missing the point. In one of my incarnations I was an Emergency Planning Manager. The purpose of the plan is exactly to deal with the unforseeable such as a once in a 100 years deep freeze. One of the key elements of such a plan is communications. The Plan has to be tested evry few years so that key players know their roles and reposnibilities.

  • Mark

    If this water shambles had happened in the private sector and Robinson hadn’t come home , P45 time . Look at BP and what happened to Tony Hayward , one off the cuff comment and he gets his cards , a few pelicans ffs . Cut to Belfast and you have the world’s press lining up to film the people of Belfast lining up to fill their water bottles . Some people have had no water for 4/5 days and Robinson is still on holidays .

    What’s his definition of an emergency ? UFO’s landing in the grounds of Stormont .

  • tacapall

    Very funny Joe but im not surprised at your comment it seems something like a backseat driver would say. It seems all so trivial to you, do they have four foot bananna’s an all where you live, do you have to wear tennis bats to walk to work, this is Ireland one of the most deprived countries in western Europe do you actually think they would pay people in local government to plan 100 years in advance, do you actually think the government would go into debt to make our lives that little bit easier in 20,30,40 years time.

  • Cynic2

    “this is Ireland one of the most deprived countries in western Europe”

    MOPERY gone mad!!!!!

  • Cynic2

    “switch John O’Dowd to play sweeper behind Conor Murphy”

    …… poor John, Sinn Fein’s dustman and always the bridesmaid

  • Spent much of yesterday afternoon at work, salvaging equipment from a store which water was pouring into.

    Is it NI Water’s fault that it was so cold? No. Did their poor maintenance lead to dodgy pipes? No, it’s probably old age. It was unbelievably cold lately, and unbelievable cold makes made things happen. It doesn’t have to be anyone’s fault.

    Does nobody like NI Water? Well, they’re probably not anyone’s favourite quango in a hurry. But I get the feeling that Mssr. McAuley sounds more and more like a whiny child with his protestations (or Stephen Nolan, take your pick.)

  • William Markfelt

    ‘It was unbelievably cold lately, and unbelievable cold makes made things happen. It doesn’t have to be anyone’s fault.’

    In terms of burst domestic pipes, you’re right. In terms of not managing the situation properly, it’s the responsibility (not the fault) of NIW and the NIA. And they have failed in their responsibilities to provide a basic amenity to large swathes of the country. The buck stops somewhere, and it stops with McKenzie and Murphy, both of whom should do the decent thing, admit their failures, and quit.

    They get paid handsomely for taking responsibility (Murphy seemed happy enough to take responsibility to sack the board of NIW for their audacity to outline the needs of NIW). Either they go, or we have reached a point where no one need ever resign or be sacked ever again for not doing their jobs properly. I expect both to be collecting their P45s before the old year is out. If they haven’t there is something seriously wrong with the NIA and the bodies it allegedly oversees.

  • William Markfelt

    ‘This current difficulty arising from problems in our water system is relative. No one is going to lose life as a result. End hysteria!’

    And can I just pick up on one of Eamonn Muppet’s tweets. How do you know no one will lose their life as an indirect result? Haven’t you been watching doctors on telly outlining the hygiene issue, and alluding to the capacity for decreased hygiene to result in the spread of disease?

    Hope your words don’t haunt you when BBC reports cases of cholera in BT5, 6 or 7.

  • William Markfelt

    BBC now reporting two hospitals without water for periods of time.

    Of course, no one is going to die as a result. Ain’t that right, Eamonn?

    At what point will cancelled operations result in someone’s needless death? At what point does reduced hygiene result in rampant MRSA?

  • @tacapall made a basic statistical error. If the annual probability of something happens is 1 in 100, it doesn’t mean it is going to happen 100 years from now, or even 50 years. It could happen tomorrow, or at any time. It is the sort of mistake made by a former geography teacher when he was Environment Minister.

  • Cynic2

    “This current difficulty arising from problems in our water system is relative. No one is going to lose life as a result. End hysteria!”

    Eamon’s Tweets should come with health warning. Journalist makes molehill out of mountain!!!! I almost had a heart attack

  • Cynic2

    So lets all look on the positive side of all this from SF’s standpoint.

    At least the drinking water not coming out of our pipes is good free socialist Sinn Fein water untainted by that clear drinkable direct rule water.

    And the sewage unflushed form our loos is good clean Irish sewage made by Irish people by the sweat of their brows and that can only serve to remind us of the sacrifices of the Hunger Strikers that we might see this day!!!! Another step towards unity. Roll on 2016!

    Altogether now ….. . “With Armoured Cars and tanks and Guns ….etc etc etc”

    {Wraps flag around toilet}

  • William Markfelt

    “With Armoured Cars and tanks and Guns’

    Unflushed loos and unwashed bums, surely?

  • tacapall

    Cynic2, great to see you show everyone how ignorant and sectarian you are, maybe god love you you’re just a fool who bereft of any culture lives by the old unionist tradition of bigotry – altogether now, we are, we are, we are the billy boys.

  • Cynic2

    Oh!!! The S word.

    Now where is the sectarianism in my post? I am simply seeking to highlight the vacuous reality of some NI political performance that every election is covered with a flag and served to the electorate – by both sides.

    If you read some of my other posts here you will see I have said that Murphy is one of the better ministers but that doesn’t absolve him from criticism in this shambles. And satire is sometimes both accurate and hurtful. Sorry!!!

    But pray, why are you so transparently desperate to avoid any possible criticism of the Minister or his party?

    Tell us the Truth now. Are you Conor Murphy? Are you related to him ? Or just a paid Advisor?

  • joeCanuck

    Davenewman

    Thanks for correcting Tacapall’s misunderstanding of a 100 year event.

  • tacapall

    Joe theres a difference between once every 100 years and once in a hundred years – whatever. So what about those who controlled NIW before Conor Murphy took charge, are they absolved from all blame because hey it never happened on their watch or because they never believed something like this could happen. Everyone in the Stormont executive, including the British Government while under direct rule, knew money needed to be invested in NIW did anyone before him do anything about it.

  • joeCanuck

    Tacapall,

    I wasn’t referring to the lack of investment in the infrastruture which may or may not have mitigated the extent of this rare event. I was only referring to the possible lack of emergency planning, and if that was the case, then obviously the blame goes back a long way.

  • pippakin

    I think tacapall is right. The condition and fragility of the water system has been known for a long time. I understand Peter Robinson was in DRD before Conor Murphy so he must take some responsibility as must successive British governments.

    Btw its not much better in the south.

  • Cynic2

    You are all assuming that its the infrastructure that failed> looks more like human organisational and planning failures to me

  • crafty

    test ..
    what is the technical name for fear of poo?
    is it Coprophobia