SF win at a canter: Senator Pearse Doherty now Pearse Doherty TD

The Liveblog is still running but Sinn Fein’s Pearse Doherty has now been declared TD for Donegal South West.

In a stunning performance he was elected slightly under quota as the two remaining candidates were unable to catch him.

Perhaps the most encouraging factor for SF is Doherty was collecting transfers at high levels throughout all counts?

Interestingly his final tally of 16,897, on a reduced turnout, isn’t far off the 20K that would have seen two TDs elected in the General Election of 2007.

Could SF have had a better result as the south heads towards the full election within a few months?

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  • sdelaneys

    No doubt about it, a spectacular result for SF.

  • pippakin

    It was the expected result for SF. Mr Doherty is a worthy winner who worked hard for his constituency. Its a pity his master couldn’t resist the opportunity to grab some headlines.

  • Good to see Pearse Doherty winning….Congratulations!

    Think he’ll make a good Deputy and let’s hope he shows the public that Leinster House is just as corrupt as the bankers and property speculators!

    Great that Fianna Fail has lost the seat, hopefully they’ll lose the rest come the main election…..

  • Mark McGregor

    btw: I can’t find a ‘creative commons’ image of Pearse for this post – if you have one or a link I’ll be happy to add it.

  • White Horse

    Interesting result. Fine example of how to promise your way to prominence. Hardly facing the realities though. And hardly a strategy for a general election.

  • pippakin

    AR

    “Great that Fianna Fail has lost the seat, hopefully they’ll lose the rest come the main election…..”

    We can but hope…

  • MichaelMac

    A stunning result with SF gets loads of transfers from Labour and Pringle.
    It has been a good few weeks for SF and it is bound to give them a bit of a lift nationally and they will be going into the GE in fine fettle.

    With the FF meltdown there are now a few constituencies in Dublin and others dotted around the place that SF could make their own. Circa 10/12 seats are now a real possibility.

  • Comrade Stalin

    And hardly a strategy for a general election.

    As opposed to the SDLP strategy – remind me exactly how many seats they have gained in the Commons, Assembly or the Dail in the past 15 years ?

  • Mark McGregor

    WH,

    Surely SF should now be about setting themselves up as the opposition to what will most likely be a FG/Lab coalition implementing the pain caused by FF/Greens?

    FF are off the radar for 10 years at least, it is a real opportunity for shinners to move from a protest vote to an ‘alternative’ over the next decade.

    Of course I personally think that would involve SF further dropping what thay used to be about but I’m not in SF and they seem perfectly positioned to become a main/mainstream opposition party.

  • Oracle

    I took my clothes of and went out to roll Bollock naked in the snow, it was very cold! Now was this a stunning performance by me to make it cold? Or was the snow just cold because it is.
    SF winning in Donegal is not stunning, it’s not even close.

    It is a decent performance at best, SF had a Perfect Storm election wise, a heavy recession, the most unpopular government in Irish History since the time of Cromwell a by-election in a Gaeltacht area with a tradition for having republican sympathies, added to that this same area had a history of supporting the despised FF party in great numbers.

    The only thing I found surprising was that the SF candidate failed to top the quota on the first count with ease.

  • ulsterfan

    A stunning victory.
    What nonsense. The oldest party in Ireland and they never had a majority in the Dail.
    What have they been doing for 106 years.
    If I was a member I would want my money back.
    There is no hope of being the majority party in the next 20 years.
    To be content with 10 or 12 seats shows lack of ambition and lack of leadership.
    A BAD RESULT FOR IRELAND.

  • percy

    Mark,
    great photo hear .. more for a compcap though !
    http://republican-news.org/current/news/

  • percy

    oooh quite a bitch-slap ducky that .I’m all put out

  • George

    Oracle,
    Sinn Féin taking nearly 40% of the first preference votes in any election south of the border is stunning.

    If it isn’t, would you care to tell me the last time this happened?

  • G O’Neill

    Whitehorse

    Is that all the SDLP have left being snipers on the sidelines

    Why doesn’t your party actually take an interest in the other 26 counties of Ireland and actually stand for election if your party have such good ideas?

    I’m sure Margerat Ritche is doing her bit for Ireland in Westminister with her cronies from London – what was it today discussing badger culling in England?

    Ulsterfan

    Doubling your percentage in any election has to be regarded as a stunning victory. Its may be a bad result for you but its certaintly not a bad result for Ireland.

    …………………….

    I think theres a few people on here who will have to eat a little humble pie because all we have listened to for two years was that SF was finished in the south etc etc

    This result gives SF real momentum going into the elections next year. If Labour believe in changing and giving Ireland new politics they would not be looking to replacing one right wing conservative majority party in FF with another in FG. Its time for the left to take up the baton for Ireland and for the ordinary people who are paying for the greedy few.

  • Mark McGregor

    percy,

    It is a great photo but I need a ‘creative commons’ image – that one is copyright.

    Unless anyone in AP or SF wants to give us permission to use it?

  • MichaelMac

    I bet if Doherty had lost it would have been a stunning defeat.

  • White Horse

    CS

    I must have said something to offend Alliance. Fill me in.

    Matk

    Opposition? Surely they need some policies. Quiet Marxism will hardly do. Fianna Fail will be back in time.

  • White Horse

    The SDLP share the same values as the people of the 26.

    We’d hardly try to lie our way into their affections by selling populist solutions to complex problems.

    All in time.

  • Mark McGregor

    Lets be honest here anyone that tries to downplay this result for SF is politically illiterate or lying.

    They came fouth in 2007 when it was a 3 seat run – they now easily win it when it was a one seat race.

    SF hammered everyone here, got transfers at an impressive rate and set themselves up nicely for numerous contests come 2011.

    A lot of the nonsense above is just that – utter nonsense.

    Massive SF victory and try as you might you can’t take that away from them.

    (you might not like it, thats what happened)

  • pippakin

    Mark McGregor

    Is anyone trying to take it away from SF?

    The win was good but it was expected, given the mess FF are in the only surprise was how well they did.

    Traditionally of course SF love to play the victim. Its almost a pity that its not possible for them here.

  • percy

    time for you to change the way you see SF then …update ..
    I prefer pushkin .. the russian novelist

  • pippakin

    percy

    No, I see right through SF to Labour who did improve their vote although not enough…their turn will come.

  • medillen

    What!!!

  • james

    Am I the only one who see’s tough times ahead for slugger to stay (even) within touching distance of politics, I also imagine Mick is currently flicking through his little book of contacts to find someone (anyone) who is remotely SF to blog here.

    I also imagine rusty is sharpening her nails and preparing another groundbreaking blog while Pete is on the point of informing us of another NASA stary.

  • percy

    oh you do .. do you, see right through them ..do you reckon they might see through you and your limitations..?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    oh pippakin….I think Adams presence was as notable as Kenny, Gilmore or Cowan NOT being there to witness their humiliation.
    Lets face it like everything on Slugger……..Gerry Adams is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. But actually being there….seems reasonable.

  • pippakin

    percy

    Im not going down that road, find someone else.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Oh dont worry.
    Im always offending the Alliance Party and theres a line of them who have promised to “fill me in”.
    But I think Labour DOES have a problem……if they are behind FG in seats they will be little more than the Irish version of the discredited Liberal Democrats in that Coalition.
    But a thought occurs that they MIGHT with SF and conceivably FF support get the main prize.
    Id certainly like to hear them use the word “default”.

  • An Phoblact Abu

    1919, the first Dail, pretty big Sinn Fein majority there

  • percy

    well wind yer neck in then …sweeping statements need to be attacked .. slan

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Yep

  • pippakin

    FJH

    I know! So I’m a bad loser and 10% was not enough!

    Pearce Doherty did well, he did not need the SF riff raff to steal his thunder.

  • Barry the Blender

    A very good result for Sinn Fein and Doherty personally.

    But by-elections are weird things and people vote in wierd ways. Sinn Fein missed out on a seat by a few hundred votes last time,they should be sitting pretty at the next GE. Talk of two seats however should be regarded with contempt.

    Labour did realitvely well too (the stakes were low for them) but undoubtably the Shinners carried the day.

  • redhugh78

    It was only expected on the back of Paddy Powers opinion poll, be honest, nobody would have predicted 40% for SF.

    Some sour grapes on Slugger tonight.

  • pippakin

    percy

    I said nothing outrageous or unexpected, and since when did you get promoted to judging when a comment is anything at all. As I said find someone else.

  • Mark McGregor

    so true!

  • Mark McGregor

    What? In a PRSTV election with one seat they took it just under quota with 2 candidates still standing – that was something else.

    Given they didn’t get a result when it was a three seat race 2.5 years ago it is nothing other than a spectacular success.

    Anyone saying otherwise is just blinded by anti SF bias.

  • percy

    “Traditionally of course SF love to play the victim. Its almost a pity that its not possible for them here.”

    is what you said …
    why is it almost a pity? and not actually a pity ?

  • Blair

    So what are Uncle Gerry’s plans for sorting out the ROI economy?

  • pippakin

    percy

    Actually it was my last comment I have to admit was wrong. I said: ‘ since when did you get promoted to judging when a comment is anything at all ‘ which was pretty silly since everyone has been ‘promoted’ to do just that!

    As for anything else I said I stand by it. I’m always reading that there are no SF bloggers or supporters on Slugger. Read this thread! there are SF comenters here and there are SF supporters, or nationalist/republicans who blog on Slugger.

  • percy

    not what i asked pippakin
    you wanted to confirm your prejudices about SF,
    which is why you said “almost a pity” wasn’t it?

    I ask you to concede or withdraw ..then all is well

  • pippakin

    Blair

    He is having a word with the Ents.

  • Blair

    Pip,

    The whaa?

  • pippakin

    percy

    I don’t need to confirm my prejudice about SF. I reject any party that has a leader smeared in allegations, pending the result of trial and investigations I don’t feel obliged to explain any more than the leader does.

    All is well? I think not.

  • pippakin

    Blair

    Lord of the Rings. The Ents were/are trees…alive and talking…

  • percy

    lol,
    so that would include Bertie Aherne, and quite a few of irish party leaders in the past and the brown envelope culture.. allegations of taking money ./bribes.

    Or is it just Gerry? and the gossip you hear..
    and the hate campaign on Sluggers by peteb..

  • Comrade Stalin

    I must have said something to offend Alliance. Fill me in.

    Be careful what you wish for, the Alliance Paramilitary wing hasn’t gone away you know.

  • pippakin

    percy

    Oh yes, the whole damn lot of em! especially the brown paper bag brigade, those who besmirch their previous office by appearing in averts in a bloody cupboard and so on. Nothing is cast in stone.

    As for Slugger it seems a pretty good mix to me.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Take it easy. You’ll be starting to sound like UCUNF if you’re not careful. In fairness though SF supporters have reason to be optimistic – if they have learned from their past mistakes on electioneering in the South.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Well yes, it would have been a stunning defeat if, in the face of everything that happened, SF couldn’t pull off a good result.

    But that said it’s stupid to try to pretend that this doesn’t mark a watershed in SF’s approach to the south, provided they don’t overcook it.

  • Comrade Stalin

    We’d hardly try to lie our way into their affections by selling populist solutions to complex problems.

    Yes you would, because you tried to have a tie up with Fianna Fail. Hell, there are people in your party who still want to do it.

  • Blair

    Pip,

    Ah yes. Uncle Gerry the tree hugger. He is just what the ROI needs at present.

  • Rory Carr

    Great victory indeed and one that can not be lightly dismissed in the manner of some here who pooh-pooh with, “Oh he only won because of this or that or the other and in a real election things will be different.”

    Doherty’s victory has also been downplayed for the strange reason that he had the audacity to be an outstanding candidate, unfairly going up against FF and Labour candidates who were not much cop really, as though that were some form of cheating.

    “Of course,” say the begrudgers, “it will be different come the real election.” And indeed it will. Those Labour and Independent voters in SW Donegal who gave their second preference to SF this time are just as likely to wish not to waste their first preferences next time round, to want to be with the winning team from the get-go and plump for SF on their first preference and this same consideration might well prove to be contagious affecting not only all Donegal or all border constituencies, but any constituency where SF do the groundwork and offer a personable candidate.

    Voters will be looking closely at who to blame for adopting the draconian measures proposed by the government and while FF are already lost to a great majority and yet, as this by-election demonstrated, still capable of retaining a sizeable section of old loyalists (No! not those kind of Loyalists), it is, though considerably less so, Fine Gael and, considerably more so, the Greens and Labour who are likely to suffer at the polls for craven obeisance to the “realistic economic policies” beloved of David Farrell, head of politics and international relations at University College Dublin and other such establishment cheerleaders..

  • Blair

    ArdEoin,

    This is confusing. I was under the impression that you viewed the Sinners as lickspittle Brit loving scum. What changed?

  • medillen

    Absolutely and SF have been saying it already default on the bank debt, not the peoples creation or problem, and deal with the soveriegn debt, but not in the way that FF have put forward which focuses on the people who did not create this mess.

  • Blair

    Rory,

    A great victory indeed. How does Pearse propose to sort out the ROI economy?

  • percy

    pippakin

    ah well.. we get what we vote for..

    maybe one day I’ll tell you the story of how the caterpillar became a butterfly re IRA-SF and the future.

    don’t be sucked into the negtivity of peteb/alias
    they won’t offer you much beyond cynicism

    every sinner has a future
    every saint has a past .

    now I’ve an appointment with a cricket game .. ciao

  • Ulick

    If Pringle comes back on board with his 10% it might not be all that contemptible.

  • pippakin

    percy

    I know the story of the caterpillar and the butterfly I even saw the film a long, long, time ago. Not SF/IRA.

  • percy

    I’ll prove you wrong pippakin..gimme 1 year

  • percy

    crickey, that’s quite a demand blair dya not think?

  • Mick Fealty

    If he’d have been beaten it would have happened through transfers. Not stunning, just a tedious repeat of history.

    As it happens it didn’t happen that way and nobody said ‘stunning defeat’.

    Now can we drop the tedious exercise in political string theory and try to deal directly with the dimension as presented by the reality in front of us?

  • Barry the Blender

    This is the sort of nonsense I expect on slugger.

  • Barry the Blender

    Yes. SF aren’t their to offer solutions to the economy, just to spout a few soundbites and benefit from its demise.

  • Harry Flashman

    Slightly off topic perhaps but you know what would have impressed me most about Doherty’s impressive victory? If he had dispensed with that boorish Irish electoral tradition of being carried shoulder high from the count by the usual bunch of fist pumping hangers on and yahoos.

    It would have been a nice display of maturity in these straitened times if the victorious candidate could have simply shaken hands with his colleagues and the defeated candidates and made a speech.

    It is a grim augury for the future that the “ya boya!”, parish pump, gobshitery so prevalent in Irish political life and which has led the country into its present difficulties is still alive and well.

  • percy

    don’t be silly

  • Barry the Blender

    I was extremely silly in the above comment. I wrote their instead of there. Apologies

  • Nunoftheabove

    Yeah, and that Dail was set up by…. ? Right – Sinn Fein.

    International recognition for the First Dail came from ? Soviet Russia. Who else ?

    What proportion of the dail representatives were from constituencies which wholly or largely comprised what later became the northern state ? 4%.

    What proportion of representatives from constituencies in which wholly or very largely later became the northern state recognized the first dail ? 10%.

    What proportion of the voting rish electorate were represented by those who recognized the 1919 Dail ? Less than 47%.

    Still impressed ?

  • billy

    Harry, still bitter at 2.24am?

    Dear, oh dear.

    And if the Shinner had suffered a shocking loss and the Labour candidate had fist-pumped, I’m sure you would have posted the same, eh?

    Don’t like them uppity fenians much, eh?

  • billy

    James wrote,

    “james says:
    26 November 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Am I the only one who see’s tough times ahead for slugger to stay (even) within touching distance of politics, I also imagine Mick is currently flicking through his little book of contacts to find someone (anyone) who is remotely SF to blog here.”

    James, this site’s dying an embarrassing death.

    Look at the ever decreasing mix of contributors.

    The anti-SF venom just looks bitter and pathetic.

    The funniest part is that they keep getting it wrong.

    It’s like watching Arlene Foster’s FST fist pump moment over and over again. Delicious!

    I doubt many of these sad wrecks have ever met a real voter!

  • Harry Flashman

    Bitter at 2am? No I posted at 9am my time, perfectly refreshed after a long Saturday morning breakfast, why?

    My reference to the fist pumping gobshitery refers to all Irish parties, North and South, they all do it and it reveals the pathetic immaturity that infects all Irish parties, North and South.

    You can take the chips off your shoulders now.

  • An Phoblacht Abu

    the first Dail was set up by the Irish people, they were elected and supported by those same people.
    If the irish people had been given a free referendum which parliament do you suppose they would have recognised?

  • Nunoftheabove

    billy

    Not sure why you think that criticism – some of it constructive – represents bitterness and/or pathos. The fact that SF may – to you, at any rate – not be keen to debate on these fora are that (i) they don’t like rational debate outside the party any more than they do inside it; and/or (ii) they actually aren’t that good at it; and/or (iii) they don’t see any value in it. Organizations dominated by military elites for as long as they have been tend to see the world that way.

    Also, they’re sending different messages on the same issues with increasing frequency. Eoin O’Broin was talking earlier this week on the need to secularize Irish society, schools included, only days after John O’Dowd weighs firmly in behind a separatist education system in the north with the catholic church right at the heart of things. Would I really need to be either bitter or pathetic to mention that ?

  • White Horse

    CS

    According to Eileen Bell in the Belfast Telegraph Alliance Party are the true inheritors of the British imperialist tradition, so I wouldn’t doubt your intentions in making these overt threats with added hollow humour.

    Our tradition takes no pleasure in the folly of imperialist strategies but we stand back in amazement at the sheer unreality of them.

  • Blair

    Percy,

    So the Sinners have no plans for the economy then? A vote for them is merely a protest vote.

  • Comrade Stalin

    According to Eileen Bell in the Belfast Telegraph Alliance Party are the true inheritors of the British imperialist tradition

    Stop lying.

    so I wouldn’t doubt your intentions in making these overt threats with added hollow humour.

    I’ll do your knees wee lad ..

  • percy

    have to wait and see.. won’t we.
    What dya want a soundbite from Pearse?
    gimme a break

  • Blair

    Percy,

    I suppose a coherent policy would be too much to expect?

  • redhugh78
  • Blair

    Red,

    So they propose to increase taxes and raise 4.6 billion. I think it might just take a little bit more than that.

    Any other stunning new policies?

  • medillen

    That was their plans for dealing with initlal budget deficit the total scale of the bank deficit and the entry of the EU/IMF came laterwho are proposing to lend the south 90 billion to ensure they can pay back the bondholders who have been funding the banks for the last few years. The Sinn Fein solution tell them to stuff their loan default on the bank debt, it is not the peoples debt, the bondholders took a risk and they lost, tough. Honour our soveriegn debt through our economic strategy not the draconian, wrongly directed and non workable 4 year plan.

    This approach is getting growing support.

  • Blair

    medillen,

    And how might the rest of the world react to that?

  • Nunoftheabove

    It was only set up and recognized by SOME of the Irish people and did not at any stage enjoy the support of all of the Irish people. I can’t stop you wishing that that’ was the case, just please stop saying that it is. Your second point is redundant. It was not accepted and ultimately civil war ensued between some of the Irish people and other Irish people (clue’s in the name). Other Irish people stayed out of it and eventually stopped identifying themselves as Irish. Do please stop referring to the 1919 Dail as some form of sadly mourned institution which enjoyed the support of the Irish people at any point – it wasn’t so and it is not some form of holy grail to which we must, or even can, return now.

  • White Horse

    CS

    I never lie. Perhaps you just don’t realise the difference between Alliance and the SDLP. Alliance suggest that British warlords bring peace whereas the SDLP has the wisdom to know that that claim is absurd and that all peace comes from those who practice peace.

    I certainly think that your threats should be noted by the Moderators and Mick. You might be termed an Alliance fascist.

  • White Horse

    Like I said, CS, Alliance is a sociopathic enterprise. Bell wrote it and you prove it with your “outbursts”.