“If an allegation of sexual abuse is made against a Sinn Féin member…”

According to a BBC report

A former Sinn Fein councillor and widow of one of the most senior IRA leaders in Belfast is to be charged with cruelty and sexual offences.

The report doesn’t give a source – I’m assuming it was the Public Prosecution Service – nor an indication of when the charges will be put.

The BBC report comes in the wake of a weekend report in the Irish News where the alleged victim, Mary Meehan, waived her right to anonymity to express concern at the length of time it was taking for a decision on a prosecution of her step-mother Breige Meehan on allegations of physical and mental abuse.

When the allegations were made public in January 2010, this was Sinn Fein’s response in the North Belfast News

North Belfast Sinn Féin MLA Carál Ní Chuilín told the North Belfast News the party informed Social Services that Briege Meehan had been suspended last year.

“Early last year a  Sinn Féin councillor was suspended without prejudice from the party as soon as we were made aware of a PSNI investigation. Sinn Féin wrote to the appropriate statutory body to make this known to them in accordance with the parties obligations and  due process,” she said.

“If an allegation of sexual abuse is made against a Sinn Féin member, the party ensures that the matter is reported to the relevant statutory authorities. The member is suspended from the party without prejudice.”

Cllr Meehan eventually resigned from Newtownabbey Council in March 2010 citing “ill health” as the reason, but had continued to attend meetings until at least 21 September 2009 [Word document].

When she was replaced on the Council by an Alliance Party nominee Sinn Féin’s Gerry Kelly said that the party would be “examining our legal options”.

And it’s probably worth bearing in mind this from the Sunday Tribune report from January this year – where the alleged victim’s identity was concealed

In spring 2008, the victim and her two brothers went to the PSNI to make statements about X. She says a police report was sent to the Public Prosecution Service seven months ago, but she is perplexed as to why X still hasn’t been charged: “I want X in court. I want X to admit what was done to me. I can’t move on with my life until I get justice.”

Her brother says that before his sister went to the PSNI, he approached his local Sinn Féin officials. “I spoke to Seán Maguidhir and Pat McLarnon, members of the north Belfast comhairle ceantair, about the situation. I went to these people, whom I knew, because my family lives in north Belfast.

“Both Sinn Féin officials told me X would be suspended from the party pending the legal outcome of the case. They said X would be stood down as a Sinn Féin representative. We were happy with that as a family. When no action was taken, I spoke to the local IRA OC. I’m very disappointed that X continues to hold office for Sinn Féin.”

The victim says: “When I went to the PSNI, another family member informed Gerry Adams face-to-face of what X had done to me. Gerry said he was aware of the stories that X had abused me, but hadn’t known the details. Gerry promised to have X expelled from Sinn Féin immediately. I feel very let down by the republican movement.”

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  • Colm McGinn

    I described you as an idiot, because saying, in the year 2010, that ‘Protestants are your oppressors’ is foolish in the extreme, as is obvious to everybody who does not have the same bigotry as you.

    Would you say ‘Jews were your oppressors, or Muslims were your oppressors, or Catholics were your oppressors?

    Just because you have a bigoted approach & judgement, does not make that ‘the truth’.

  • Colm McGinn

    “Some of the most awful atrocities of the period, the most infamous occurring in February 1922 when loyalists threw a bomb into a group of Catholic children playing in Weaver Street, killing a number of them and grievously injuring many more.”

    1922. Can we also reference 1641, 1659, 1798, 1832, 1919, 19** & in fact every year in the past millenium, where atrocities are carried out against defenceless people?

    Local to here, & with children, did many supporters of Sinn Fein (perhaps yourself?) feel the need to condemn , say, Claudy? Warrington? Bloody Friday? Abercorn restaurant?

  • Colm McGinn

    And what are you referring to, in “family connections with the Nationawide Building Society”?

  • HeinzGuderian

    Nice piece of ‘wataboutery’ there,dear Pip………..you never cease to oblige 🙂

    In relation to the 99% support for the murder of little children…………..Joe……maybe you can tell us how many shinners have EVER condemned the pira murder campaign ??? If the answer is none…………….then the figure of 99% is,indeed,generous !!

  • HeinzGuderian

    You got it Rory……..once again it ws those pesky Brits what done it !!!!:-)

  • joeCanuck

    As a Statistician colleague of mine used to remind me : “Three does not equal two, even for very large values of two.

  • HeinzGuderian

    What part of,’released without charge’,are you struggling to comprehend ??

    I suggest that what we have here is a warped reading of posts,by a nat/rep point of view !! 😉

  • Colm McGinn

    Why is it foolish to say that Protestants are my oppressors? Where are your manners? What a person thinks about his own life is a very personal matter. If I believe that the Protestants ruined my life, who are you to say that I should not believe that? Why are you so arrogant?

    Perhaps you want Catholics like me to forget about our grievances so that your middle class interests will not be endangered. If so, there is no harm in wanting.

  • pippakin

    Heinz

    Shouldn’t you be frog marching innocent people, including children, off for a nice bath.

  • Colm McGinn

    For bigots, I have no manners. For ‘ordinary decent people’, of course, I defer to their opinions, give people space. To me, you are a dangerous individual, to be opposed in every way.

    On “foolish to say that Protestants are my oppressors?” If you believe that (and it seems you do) then you are a fool. When I was a youth, I believed in ‘the unity of Protestant, Catholic & Dissenter, under the common name of Irish(man)’, and I still do, to a large extent, but have to defend the rights of my unionist friends/ neighbours to defend that ideal.

    If you were oppressed, that oppression might have come from the Catholic church, from within the Catholic school system, from individual members of the RUC, from the Stormont regime (as was), from the international banking system, from the seriously wealthy elites of this scociety; but it did not come from ‘the Protestants’.

    This is a really boring discussion, because there is no transparency, & no possible engagement or resolution. So, I really don’t care much for you or your opinions John, because you want to nurse your grievances.

    Go off and do that for the rest of your life. Great job.

    There is a world full of problems & opportunity out there, and people on Slugger just want to talk the same old ordure. Boring, boring, boring.

  • JJ Malloy

    whatever you say Nazi romanticizer

  • MichaelMac

    Released without charge cannot be verified unless trumpeted by Stephen Ferguson’s dogs in the street.

  • JJ Malloy

    Colm

    You are my oppressor.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    John,

    Are you insinuating that all protestants were ‘fair game’ to be killed by the IRA?

  • Stephen Ferguson

    If you disagree with my estimate that 99% of Sinn Fein members support/ed the PIRA campaign (and, by default, support the murder of children) then feel free to present the evidence proving otherwise.

    If you can’t do that then please desist from childish name-calling.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    HG,

    He seems to be struggling with that evidence.

    I’ll give him a few more days….

  • JJ Malloy

    That is disgusting. How do people live with themselves?

    I was aware things of that nature went on, but not to that extent. Not in the Western world at least. If it’s all true it’s very saddening.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    Jeez!

    Arrested and released without charge a few hours later. They are entirely innocent!

    As for the Sinn Fein husband-and-wife team who had their children taken off them and put into care due to abuse – I have not named them nor given any clues that would reveal their identity to anyone who doesn’t know them.

    Perhaps when/if the story runs in the Sunday papers we can discuss it in more detail.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    Why not stick with 2010 John?

  • Stephen Ferguson

    Have you contacted Antrim Serious Crime Suite?

    They might confirm the men are no longer being questioned.

  • JJ Malloy

    Sorry Stephen, I don’t have a handy poll ready. But you may have noticed that many, many people who would never vote SF before the PIRA gave up violence came over to the party after they ended their campaign.
    I know people personally who refused to vote for SF until the PIRA was committed to peace.

    As for murdering children…I don’t know of any PIRA operations where the intent was to murder children. Children did of course die from bungled operations, and that doesn’t excuse what happened.

    The british army murdered children here in NI, does that mean those who supported them condone the muder of children? No, of course not.

    That kind of rhetoric is absurd and inflammatory.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    I don’t know about ‘oppressing’ but John is certainly ‘depressing’ me….

  • Colm McGinn

    Thanks, JJ Malloy,

    You probably deserve it. Another damn yankee interfering (oppressing the hell out of) in the rest of the world.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    “Sorry Stephen, I don’t have a handy poll ready. But you may have noticed that many, many people who would never vote SF before the PIRA gave up violence came over to the party after they ended their campaign.
    I know people personally who refused to vote for SF until the PIRA was committed to peace.”

    We’re talking Sinn Fein members – not voters.

    Try harder.

  • Mark McGregor

    Can you lot put the handbags away.

    Read the site rules. If you don’t like them try another website.

  • First of all ‘Stephen’, I can’t recall any evidence whatsoever regarding my Dad ‘killing innocent Protestants’…..He was also certainly not a Nationalist, rather he was a devoted Socialist-Republican all his adult life.

    As for your disbelief about him not knowing the truth about his daughter’s abuse? Well, between 1979 and 1985, he was inside Long Kesh far away from home. Between July 1979 and May 1980, he had been on the blanket protest and as such recieved very little information from home etc.

    After that particular release from gaol, he only spent nine short months outside before being arrested and sentenced again to another 15 yrs behind bars for IRA Activities. So maybe u could explain to me when, where or how he would’ve had much bearing on my sisters life……

    Maybe if he hadn’t have been framed by the Brits, RUC and so-called Justice system in the North in 1979….My sister and the rest of us would’ve had a totally different life, don’t U think?

    The other main issue is, the RUC, Social Services and other agencies were quite aware of the facts and had mountains of evidence to arrest, charge and prosecute her attacker from 1980. So why did they fail a ten year-old child victim and allowed her to suffer horrendous abuse after being notified by her Primary School Teachers, a Priest and neighbours? How come nothing was done until my sister went to the PSNI in 2008?

    Whether U like it or not, this State is corrupted beyond belief when an innocent man gets 12 yrs imprisonment in a Diplock Court and a Child Abuser is allowed to remain unaccountable for 30 yrs!

  • he could also mention he is comparing one century with another one.

    But you like living in the past don’t you?

  • bemused

    Perhaps we can cool down this little festival of hate by getting back to the topic.

    AR, there appears to be a wide gap between what your blog post says and what the Sunday Tribune says you said in 2008. Did the ST get the story right?

    No one can fault you for getting some justice for your sister in whatever way would work. That said, SF has been presenting itself as a peaceful, democratic political party for many years. This is a case in which a SF elected official was allegedly severely personally unfit. On your account, as late as 2008, the local PIRA commander had more influence in such matters than SF civilian leadership did. That’s disturbing.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    “First of all ‘Stephen’, I can’t recall any evidence whatsoever regarding my Dad ‘killing innocent Protestants’…..”

    Whilst he was never personally convicted of any sectarian murders he was in control of the Ardoyne PIRA at various times throughout The Troubles. The same gang responsible for anti-protestant attacks like the one on Bayardo Bar. No doubt he gave plenty of similar orders to kill innocent protestants in the streets and districts surrounding Ardoyne.

    “He was also certainly not a Nationalist, rather he was a devoted Socialist-Republican all his adult life.”

    What a load of tripe. There wasn’t a real Republican in the PIRA throughout it’s history. They were nothing but parochial, sectarian, Irish Nationalists. Most of them don’t even know the meaning of the word.

    “As for your disbelief about him not knowing the truth about his daughter’s abuse? Well, between 1979 and 1985, he was inside Long Kesh far away from home. Between July 1979 and May 1980, he had been on the blanket protest and as such recieved very little information from home etc.”

    Maybe he should have put the welfare of his children first instead of trying to be ‘the big lad’ and continually getting himself locked in jail?

    Or maybe he should have put his children first instead of going on a failed/cowardly hunger strike? If he had been in contact with his children he might have known what his daughter was allegedly going through.

    “After that particular release from gaol, he only spent nine short months outside before being arrested and sentenced again to another 15 yrs behind bars for IRA Activities.”

    Stupid fool should have been a bit more careful then…

    “So maybe u could explain to me when, where or how he would’ve had much bearing on my sisters life……”

    If he’d went and got himself a 9-to-5 job and not involved himself in sectarian slaughter then he’d have seen his children every day.

    “Maybe if he hadn’t have been framed by the Brits, RUC and so-called Justice system in the North in 1979….My sister and the rest of us would’ve had a totally different life, don’t U think?”

    Framed?? What a crock of shit!

    Your father said IN HIS OWN WORDS:

    “As a result, the whole broad spectrum of the nationalist people actually supported what the IRA was doing. Everybody, man, woman and child came out and supported ***us*** in any way possible. I never saw support like it in my life. It was unbelievable.”

    or about an attack in the South:

    “***We*** pasted them. You could have heard them squealing for miles”

    ARE THESE THE WORDS OF AN INNOCENT MAN???

    “The other main issue is, the RUC, Social Services and other agencies were quite aware of the facts and had mountains of evidence to arrest, charge and prosecute her attacker from 1980. So why did they fail a ten year-old child victim and allowed her to suffer horrendous abuse after being notified by her Primary School Teachers, a Priest and neighbours? How come nothing was done until my sister went to the PSNI in 2008?”

    I guess these questions will be answered during any future trial. I don’t know how much the RUC knew about it and – based on your lies in this very thread – I loathe to believe your word.

    “Whether U like it or not, this State is corrupted beyond belief when an innocent man gets 12 yrs imprisonment in a Diplock Court and a Child Abuser is allowed to remain unaccountable for 30 yrs!”

    Innocent???

    Your father was a cowardly, sectarian criminal who thought more of getting a few free pints in the Star club because he was an Ardoyne ‘hero’ than the welfare of his own children.

    Unfortunately he died about 40 years too late for a lot of innocent protestants who died as a result of his attacks or orders.

  • John Ó Néill

    Guys – under the circumstances, could you not be prepared to give AR a bye-ball on this one for the moment – whether you agree with his politics or not, on a human level I’d imagine he has had a difficult enough time the past week. Showing a bit of empathy isn’t exactly a weakness.

  • anne warren

    Since you are going down this road on this thread can you tell us how many Unionists have condemned the Loyalist sectarian murder campaign?

  • Colm McGinn

    Agreed on that.

    Stephen’s hair trigger is perhaps for another time.

    Argument on that area of life is fraught with errors of understanding. And much of AR’s post could be read as having factual basis.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    Since when has opposing terrorism and violence been classed as ‘sectarian bile’.

    Got a soft spot for old Marty Snr do you??

  • Stephen Ferguson

    Which Unionists?

    Politicians, churchmen, ordinary people, voters, etc???

    If memory serves me correctly a huge majority of them condemned Loyalist violence.

  • pippakin

    Stephen Ferguson

    I have been following this thread since the start and it has been hijacked by sectarianism.

    If a child is abused it makes no difference what religion or colour or anything else that child is.

    I found your last comment particularly lacking in sensitivity.

    I oppose terrorism and I oppose child abuse and I hope I never confuse the two.

  • joeCanuck

    Sorry if I disappoint a couple of creepy people, but I have decided to stop feeding trolls for the holiday season and a later I’ll do my best to avoid being baited.
    Others are free to do the same.

  • pippakin

    Is one of my comments being held awaiting moderation?

    If it is could someone, having read this thread, tell me why.

  • bemused

    well taken, if directed at my comment

  • Colm McGinn

    It came from the Stormont regime. And the evidence is in the Cabinet papers of that regime. The members of that regime were the elected representatives of the Protestants.

    If you find this Slugger website boring, I suggest that you disengage from it.

  • joeCanuck

    Pippakin, I don’t think you create links but if you do, and include more than two, your comment is automatically embargoed by WordPress, unless you are the blogger.

  • RepublicanStones

    Christ in Allah’s sandals, this thread makes me feel homesick for Pomeroy theres that much yellow and black in it !

  • Munsterview

    JJ,

    If you recall previous posts, I have a family member who has a Masters in profiling paedophile sexual abuse offenders and her work has been used by UK police and the FBI. I actually came on this site to begin with specifically to support the late Joe Cahill’s niece.

    Over twenty years ago I had a meeting with a diocesan administrator on the extent of the problem in the city I was then in and I was fairly shell shocked at the end of that interview. As I was about to leave, this senior cleric called me back and had another round of coffee send up to the sitting room.

    After a few minutes silence he quietly said ….. ” Look, you are never going to appreciate the extent of this problem until you realize that it is as normal for fathers to take their sons to that sort of thing on a Saturday morning as it is for you and other healthy fathers to take yours hurling or fishing”.

    The Cork Examiner Newspaper carried a three day exposure, a full six pages around the same time about activity in that city. Limerick, Waterford, Galway etc could have provided the same quantity of material on the same kind of paedophile activity.

    What I found particularly shocking and hardest to come to terms with is the ‘family men’ who are pillars of society and who would not molest their own children, use other supplied vulnerable children without the slightest concern for what their vile paedophile activity is doing to those kids.

    The paedophile activities of some of these people are commented on inside their own professional and social circles, yet in the main it is tolerated.

    You have already seen one poster on this thread that has been shouting from the rooftops for support for the Gardai and ‘Law and Order’ issues, also called for this subject matter to be closed on this thread.

    W H Y ?

    The greatest concern in this area for professionals and experts in the field of countering abuse is that paedophile activity have become a acceptable material for jokes and comedy routines in the States and Canada. This current year such material have been part of a number of ‘family’ tv shows.

    There are arguments on the web by special interest groups for the ‘normalization’ of paedophile activity, that is how far this whole sick and sorry scene is to public toleration, there is toleration for making a case for toleration and that is the beginning of the end of opposition.

    Meanwhile in Southern Ireland a couple of hundred of children are officially missing from various Health Board homes, halfway houses and institutions. Many are foreign nationals trafficked into Ireland for the sex industry but most are Native Irish who came from broken homes and were put ‘into care’ only to be sprinted out of care by child predators.

    Do you think that there is a special unit to track down these children ? Just like the institutional children of the forties, they are no ones concern !

  • redhugh78

    Or is it just an excuse to have a go at the fine men and women who fill the ranks of the British military??’

    Would these be ‘fine’ as you call them?

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/army-child-sex-scandal-1.826476

    Army child sex scandal
    heraldscotland staff

    Share 0 comments 4 Apr 2009

    MoD admits 32 child sex offenders in armed forces
    By Helen McArdle

    THE ministry of defence has revealed there are 32 registered sex offenders currently serving in the British armed forces … after the Army failed in a bid to keep a paedophile private out of jail.

    Senior commanders in Scotland’s Black Watch regiment tried – and failed – to persuade a sheriff not to send the self-confessed paedophile to jail. Senior officers offered to take him on a tour of duty to Afghanistan, and to monitor his behaviour.

    The sheriff rejected the intervention, and jailed the soldier, 22-year-old Private Callum Sandeman, for abusing two children. The attempted intervention, and revelations that convicted sex offenders have a safe haven in the armed forces, has now prompted accusations the Army is attempting to act “above the law”. There are also fears that sex offenders could use their employment in British regiments to abuse children in conflict zones.

    Sandeman admitted walking drunk into the home of a fellow soldier at Army quarters in Inverness and indecently assaulting his nine-year-old son and seven-year-old daughter in their bedrooms in November last year.

    Five high-ranking officers, including the commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland Lt Col Stephen Cartwright, as well as a captain, two majors and a lieutenant, wrote letters of support for Sandeman, together with an NCO, describing him as an excellent soldier and offering to monitor his conduct if he was allowed to continue to serve in the regiment.

    Highlands and Islands MSP Mary Scanlon welcomed the custodial sentence on Sandeman and described the Army’s attitude to the case as “unbelieveable”. She said: “The Army seems to think it’s above the law. They clearly tried to keep this soldier, who had committed in the sheriff’s own words reprehensible’ acts against innocent children, out of prison. I am pleased the sheriff gave an appropriate sentence and sent this man to prison.”

    During the case at Inverness Sheriff Court, procurator-fiscal depute Ron Phillips told Sheriff Alexander Pollock that the character references put forward by Sandeman’s officers contradicted the views expressed by social workers, who claimed the accused showed little remorse and even “gives the impression he projects responsibility on to his victims.”

    Phillips said he had “rarely seen such a weight of references before a court from men who hold fairly senior positions”. He added: “They are better intended than they are well informed”.

    Scanlon said the Army’s offer to monitor and support a convicted child molester was “the most worrying aspect” of the case. She said: “The Black Watch are now in Afghanistan. Although it may be possible to provide that support here in Inverness, how could they expect officers to provide support 24-7 when serving abroad?”

    But a spokesman for the MoD defended the possibility of sex offenders being deployed abroad. “I don’t think it’s necessarily harder to keep track when they’re in Afghanistan. There is a structure and a daily routine, it’s not as if they’re wandering around unguarded so don’t see what being out there makes any difference.

    “Yes, they will come into contact with children on patrol, but they wouldn’t be alone. You have to look at the wider context. There are 180,000 serving in the British military, and only 32 are registered sex offenders.”

    The MoD said soldiers convicted of sex offences but not given custodial sentences would only be retained in the Army “in exceptional circumstances”. The spokesman explained: “They are monitored and subject to notification requirements under the Sexual Offences Act.

    “A panel assesses the soldier’s employability and risk to others before any decision is taken as to whether they should be retained.”

    But questions are being raised over the judgement of Army commanders for attempting to retain a soldier facing a custodial sentence for serious sexual abuse on children, when governments both north and south of the border have repeatedly stressed that child protection must be at the centre of all policy.

    One high-profile Scottish psychologist suggested it made a mockery of attempts to deal with child abuse when the body charged with defending and representing British interests abroad would willingly take a convicted paedophile under its wing.

    Mairead Tagg, Scotland’s only expert court witness on the abuse of women and children, said: “For me this is exactly the kind of collusion that per petuates sexual abuse. I think the MoD really need to be held to account for this. If they attempted to retain this soldier, and there are already 32 convicted sex offenders in the Army, you have to wonder what in God’s name we’ve sent out to these countries. I’m sickened and appalled.”

    She added that it was virtually impossible to know the severity of crimes committed by those on the Sex Offenders’ Register, since only rape was likely to guarantee a custodial sentence. “It’s so difficult to achieve convictions that the charges are often watered down in an attempt to obtain a guilty plea.”

  • Munsterview

    JJ Malloy

    Abstract from recent post……

    “………..Sandeman admitted walking drunk into the home of a fellow soldier at Army quarters in Inverness and indecently assaulting his nine-year-old son and seven-year-old daughter in their bedrooms in November last year.

    Five high-ranking officers, including the commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland Lt Col Stephen Cartwright, as well as a captain, two majors and a lieutenant, wrote letters of support for Sandeman, together with an NCO, describing him as an excellent soldier and offering to monitor his conduct if he was allowed to continue to serve in the regiment……..”

    The attitude of these Regimental Officers is unfortunately all too reflective of Upper Class and professional class tolerance of this paedophile activity that I referred to earlier to-night. This can be found in the same social circles in Southern Ireland and the Kincora scandal gave a glimpse of what lurks in the undergrowth up there in the Six-Counties.

    As for the authorities acting in the North, was not Maggie Tatcher’s personal choice for head of Intel Secret Services withdrawn from the Six Counties for indulging in his regular practice of masturbating in public toilets while attempting to get a ‘pick up’ ?

    Given the known attitudes of this powerful individual to deviant sexual practices, it would have taken a brave police man indeed with absolutely no regard for his continuing career to take on anybody from that circle, who like the top spy, had the full backing and support of the PM herself right up to his last public toilet performance !

  • pippakin

    joe

    I didn’t put any links in it. I told Mr Ferguson I found his comments offensive and would report it as such. I also mentioned sectarian bile, I better not repeat the sentence here in case that was the offence, and I did mark his comment as offensive.

    I’m genuinely confused about this one since the entire thread had lost the run of itself and Mr Ferguson is now in fact black carded!

  • JJ Malloy

    Touche

  • Mick Fealty

    Slappy, address yourself to the issues. It seems that there is a certain brand of opinion here that thinks the play the ball not the man rule is suspended when it comes to Pete.

    I’m going to start handing out the Yellows (warning), and they will go to reds (a week of the site) in pretty short order if you choose to keep it up.

  • Mick Fealty

    Behave Joe.

  • slappymcgroundout

    “AR, there appears to be a wide gap between what your blog post says and what the Sunday Tribune says you said in 2008. Did the ST get the story right?”

    Our man in Ardoyne can speak for himself, but a certain Mr. Stephen Breen wrote a piece in the Bel Tel’s Sunday Life that appeared on 8 June 2008. I quote in relevant part:

    “Republican sources told Sunday Life that Mary Meehan has alleged that she was subjected to physical abuse by the leading republican 25 years ago.

    Sources claimed Ms Meehan (39) made the complaint to police and social services shortly after her father died last year [father died in November 2007].

    Sunday Life knows the identity of her alleged attacker, but cannot publish it for legal reasons.

    Sources also claim the veteran republican has been suspended from the party.

    Ms Meehan refused to comment on the details of the allegations when approached by Sunday Life last week.”

    Hard to claim that Sinn Fein was engaged in some “cover up” after the Sunday Life piece appeared, since from then on, the matter was one of public record. A link to the relevant piece:

    http://tinyurl.com/2a36feb

    Lastly, Mick, politics.ie., or more correctly, some soul on politics.ie reported back in January that you removed the link to the Sunday Life piece from a thread that Slugger had running back in January. Too late to save Mary from being outed, as the Sunday Life accomplished that back in June 2008, and perhaps the link’s appearance here on Slugger would have kept those with Sinn Fein on the brain from wasting their time, your time, my time, and from otherwise making themselves look like proverbial hacks. For the slow-learners, you can’t cover-up info in the public realm, and so can’t be cover-up from 8 June 2008 forward. And, Pete, is there something stopping you from doing a basic research that ought to be elemental for a professed journalist?

  • Colm McGinn

    “I haven’t said anything actionable, but you have, in your proud display of hatred for ‘Protestants’.”

    Please provide an example of what I wrote which could be actionable.

    Your allegation that the current Pope was complicit in covering up sexual abuse of children is actionable.

  • Colm McGinn

    @John McMahon:

    Wikipedia:
    Hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation.

    “Hate crime” generally refers to criminal acts that are seen to have been motivated by bias against one or more of the types above, or of their derivatives. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters (hate mail).

    &:
    “Under the Law of the United Kingdom, “incitement to racial hatred” was established as an offence by the provisions of §§ 17-29 of the Public Order Act 1986. It was first established as a criminal offence in the Race Relations Act 1976. The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 made publication of material that incited racial hatred an arrestable offence.

    This offence refers to:

    * deliberately provoking hatred of a racial group
    * distributing racist material to the public
    * making inflammatory public speeches
    * creating racist websites on the Internet
    * inciting inflammatory rumours about an individual or an ethnic group, for the purpose of spreading racial discontent.”

    &
    “The Public Order Act 1986 creates offences commonly used by United Kingdom police to deal with public disorder and violence, replacing similar common law offences and the Public Order Act 1936.”

    &
    “laws against incitement to hatred against religions were later established under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006.”

    How much more evidence of incitement to hatred, of an entire religious group, (Christian Protestant) can there be, than your words above on ‘I am oppressed by the Protestants’ (targetting the whole population of such believers) and ‘Who is an innocent Protestant?’ (implying such a thing is not possible)

    On your belief that Pope Benedict was not complicit, you are either a fool, or a knave. Since we’ve covered that before, I suppose you’ll have to get the relevant pardon.

    The evidence is extremely extensive, stretches over 20 years of his involvement, and at least 150 years of general culture of secrecy & sexual abuse of minors, or vulnerable adults, within the remit of the Vatican’s responsibility.

    That is not a statemnt of condemnation of Catholic belief, or religion; it is a condemnation of power relationships within the Church. Power will always be abused, if unchecked, and the sex urges of the human animal cannot be ‘overcome’ without a great danger of abuse.

  • Munsterview

    Mick,

    while things needed to be tightened up on this site to improve the quality of the postings and the debate, neither should the ‘ play the ball not the man’ rule be so rigidly applied that it excludes all the posters personal background.

    To get a bit of space on this site, I have both taken and given instances where there was a bit of ‘ playing the man’ involved as with Turgon et al.

    ( Incidently some still unresolved issues there that arose with Turgon while you were away : do you think you could persuade your good wife to keep a few bullocks or sheep in your backyard for a couple of days should Turgon take me up on my bet offer and Farmer Tom backs him up on his bet, while you are checking out the facts ?)

    Pete is a good polemic writer with issues against Sinn Fein; Slappy as a legal eagle also knows where the boundaries are. While we do need boundaries, neither should we have the flow of the game restricted by over reffing. I am not questioning your judgement but it looks like one of my sparing partners Stephen F is about to get more slugger cards than Christmas cards !

    A certain amount of ‘man play’ is essential for the flow of the game, the object of the exercise should be not to let it become the object of the game per se, and risk smothering play robust completely with political correctness.

    Then there is the matter of deliberate coat trailing : one poster in particular noted for their anti-republican obsessions and coat thrilling have, after consistent challenges from me dropped their former persona and adopted another with what appears to be a a Long Kesh photo of the late Bobby Sands MP as a posting icon.

    In the absence of a reasonable explanation for this choice of a revered republican icon as an image for consistent anti Sinn Fein and Republican rants, the only conclusion is that the icon was selected in this instance to be deliberately provocative to offend the sensibilities of certain readers and posters.

    This surely is against the spirit of slugger and far more offensive than the odd bit of collateral ‘playing the man instead of the ball’ offense.

    Two suggestions in this regard, first could we have a ‘sin bin’ where carded offenders and their offending posts can be separately accessed to check out as to what the offence was about. Secondly could we have an offecial trool warning symbol ?

    I am totally against cencorship, such a designation of a poster would not prevent them from posting but it would certainly avoid anyone bar other cranks from wasting time with them. Since most of the offenders in this regard can write a lucid, coherent post, it is not a matter of stupidity, it is a matter of bloodymindness and deliberate intent.

    This trool designation would either bring about a rapid behaviour modification or a resumption of posting under another alias where they would be more carefull of content and offense.

  • JJ Malloy

    Stephen

    First of all, there were genuine ‘republicans’ in the history of the IRA. Maybe not the PIRA, but the original IRA. Remember when half of the IRA refused to accept the Treaty as it did not bring back a republican form of government?

    I don’t disagree about the recent troubles, however. Many of the ‘Republicans’ were just armed nationalists who claimed the mantle of the old IRA.

    Take it easy. This is his family and childhood. You don’t know what he went through.

  • Munsterview

    JJ Molloy,

    read the entry of today, Nov 21 for…… henrymarkow.com……. and see what is in there regarding ‘child protection’ agencies in just one State.

    Stateside friends have been keeping me informed in this since what they believe was the murder of this outspoken ex Senator and her husband earlier this year.

    http://fightcps.com/pdf/TheCorruptBusinessOfChildProtectiveServices.pdf