TUV conference – the bits you may not read in Monday’s papers

TUV party logoOver in Cookstown the TUV clan were meeting for their annual party conference. For those of us not there, I’ve extracted some of the pithy portions below from Jim Allister’s leader’s speech, but for those unwilling to read on, the statutory Wordle summarises what he said.

Jim Allister TUV 2010 conference speech Wordle

We may not have had the year we would have liked, or that your hard work and that of all our candidates deserved, but TUV is here and here to stay, because the cause and the need that brought us into existence haven’t gone away.

… at our core is principle, not expediency … far from vote splitters we are vote gatherers for unionism.

I believe a large share of stay-at home unionists voters are not soft liberals but unionists disgusted by the somersaulting antics.

He took credit for bringing attention to double jobbing!

… Traditional Unionists are neither antediluvian nor averse to pluralism. The only pluralism we’re opposed to is double jobbing and my with what kicking and screaming we’ve dragged the DUP and others into the 21st century on that one.

5th May will crystallise the issue. Voters in Scotland and Wales will have the right to change their government. Voters in Northern Ireland will not. … In Scotland and Wales voters can punish parties for failure and get a fresh start, but in Northern Ireland you’re saddled with more of the same, because under the Belfast Agreement we’re second class voters denied that most precious and basic of democratic rights, the right to change our government. That is wrong, destructive of democracy and a big contributor to falling voter turn-out.

The crucial party message at the moment seems to be …

Let me nail that lie, TUV is not about wrecking Stormont, but getting a better Stormont:

  • One that works, instead of the constant deadlock.
  • One that allows voters to decide who governs by restoring the right to change your government.
  • One that permits an Opposition, with shared government through voluntary, not unworkable compulsory coalition.
  • One that eradicates waste, like the millions spent on useless north/south bodies and the Irish language.

Our unflinching stand against IRA/Sinn Fein is well known but we are about much more than that.

Ours is a positive vision for Stormont. A progressive way forward. A journey to empower the people and release them from the bondage and failure of mandatory coalition.

Stormont is broken. We want to fix it.

Anyone who is a democrat has nothing to fear from us or democracy. If Sinn Fein can agree with sufficient others on a programme for government and together command the requisite majority in the Assembly, then they can attain office by the fair means of voluntary coalition and we’ll be the Opposition. But if Sinn Fein are only democrats so long as they are guaranteed a place in government, from which they can never be evicted by the voters, then they are not democrats at all!

That is the defining issue for finding a durable Stormont and one that works and in May it will be by voting TUV that real and hopeful change can be sought. Vote for those who have presided over the deadlock, failure and dysfunctionalism of the present Stormont and you’ll get more of the same.

He lambasted Brian Cowan, Mitchell McLaughlin, Edwin Poots, Paul Maskey, Arlene Foster, and went on to accuse Sinn Fein of not wielding influence over the dissidents.

Make no mistake, Adams, McGuinness and co could put a stop to much of this reversion to terrorism, if they wanted, but for all their carefully choreographed, weasel words about ‘conflict junkies’ to which they gave the habit, some arms length muscle suits Sinn Fein just fine. There is no better way to keep the concession pump flowing than to have it constantly primed by the threat of more terror. Hence, all the rhetoric about being part of a peace process, not a settlement, because process requires successive staging posts and sweeteners, of which Hillsborough will not be the last.

I warn strongly against the next staging post on Sinn Fein’s agenda, that of tax-raising powers being transferred from London to Belfast. It is because fiscal unity is central to national sovereignty that breaching it forms part of the republican agenda; it is a potent tie that binds us to the UK and I trust no unionist will be so foolish as to fall for the ploy of increasing Stormont’s powers by cutting the critical guy rope of fiscal parity.

So as we look forward to next year there are many challenges, many lies to be countered, many deceptions to be slain, many wrongs to be righted, but armed with the truth and integrity of our position and unshackled by the legionary failures of Stormont, we are the fresh and real alternative. Those with the vision and courage to demand the equal citizenship rights which are rightfully ours and which the Belfast Agreement system of government has emasculated.

So, unbowed and unflinching we go forward determined to look this generation and the next in the eye with the message that who ever else might buckle and bend the rules of democracy for the sake of office, there is a party of conscience and conviction that offers a better way forward, not back. Let us press on towards the mark of a better tomorrow.

So despite the non-party bashing rhetoric in the conference programme, there was plenty of predictable stereotyping and mocking in the leader’s speech. Though to be fair, Jim Allister won’t be the only party leader resorting to that in his/her conference speech.

Party president Willie Ross unexpected made Alex Kane (ex-UUP communications chief) the poster boy of his speech to conference. Extracts below.

“The biggest mistake I have made in what passes for my political career was my support for the Belfast Agreement. I should have gone with my gut instinct in 1998 and turned a deaf ear to the ‘wouldn’t-it-be-great-if-it-was-like-this-all-the-time’ propaganda. Twelve years on and it is quite clear that unionism has been thoroughly weakened by the out-workings of this process. Both the DUP and UUP are trapped in a system which can only inflict further damage upon their core beliefs. What we have at Stormont is a travesty of democracy, an undermining of majority opinion and, worst of all, a laughing stock. And, most dangerous of all, the longer it remains as it is then the worse it will be for unionism and the Union”.

This clear analysis of the present position of Ulster could have between written by anyone who shares the TUV opinion on the consequences of the Belfast, St. Andrews and Hillsborough stitchups. It wasn’t – it is a straight quote of what Alex Kane published in his Newsletter column on the 22nd February this year.

I take great encouragement from the increasing anger I hear on the ground for more and more people now see that the DUP are playing a political game, and losing every time because when the crunch comes, like the UUP before them, they always fold, and then claim, despite the clear facts, that they have won. More and more people have seen through the false claims. The result is that they don’t trust politicians anymore and that is why they don’t vote. Further I believe that many will never vote for those who have let them down so badly.

That is why, despite the disappointments of the last two years, I am convinced that we can win next year in both the Council and Stormont elections.

We will not cave in to either threat or blandishment – nor will we be bought by gold or the trappings of a powerless position or office. We know that tens of thousands, like Mr. Kane, accept that our analysis is correct.

Start talking to your friends and neighbours now and we will take the first steps to the redemption of our land next May.

In other speeches, David Vance tackled the economy.

“TUV condemns the utter failure of the Stormont Executive to agree a coherent strategy for dealing with Public Sector Cuts and rebalancing the Northern Ireland economy in a fiscally sensible manner”

Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow – that’s been the motto of the dysfunctional Executive and the wreckage of our economy is proof of it.

By the autumn of 2007, the writing was on the wall for our economy. At Stormont they all watched the debt fuelled property bubble inflate and then …burst. What did they do? Nothing. When the PRIVATE sector subsequently haemorrhaged jobs what did they do? Nothing.

Memo to Arlene Foster – getting your picture in the local press business section every day is a poor substitute for actually doing something useful for business.

TUV has distinct positive ideas on how we deal with their mess.

Cut the North-South bodies NOW and save half a billion! This would get us 25% upfront saving instantly without losing ANY vital frontline jobs. Cut the quangos and remove the fatcats from their gilded thrones. Millions more saved. Cut the size of the government bureaucracy, move jobs from areas of inefficiency and into the private sector, so boosting it whilst supporting employment. Let’s cap the salaries of those earning VAST sums in the Public sector before they sacrifice those lower down the ladder.

Party vice chairman Keith Harbinson spoke in favour of the devolution motion.

Conference, devolution in this country in its current form has shown itself to be as effective as the proverbial chocolate fireguard. Granted on an initial cursory look, the master chocolatier will have crafted something that looks the part, that may even be fit for purpose, but apply the heat of political debate and we can watch it melt away and submit.

Those who should be our natural allies continually protest that we occupy an outdated and perpetually negative state of mind. Conference this is wrong and disingenuous in the extreme. We do not criticise the current arrangements out of party political spite. To do so would be a betrayal of the very principles of Traditional Unionism that we espouse. Rather we do so out of an unwillingness to accept anything short of the best possible chance for the people of Ulster.

When we criticise the current political arrangements however, we are accused of being bigots, of being unrealistic and at times adherents to a political utopia that is an anachronism in the modern world. Anyone involved in politics understands the strength required to compromise in order to achieve, but there is a fine line between well intentioned compromise and capitulation.

Yet do our opponents really believe their own pathway? Or is our presence simply enough to smart on their political conscience? Many are honourable people, but good intentions are not enough to justify the abandonment of principles and ideals. The constant attack by others on this party may provide a short term ease to their conscience, but will only serve to deliver long term pain for Ulster.

To our members and supporters I once again turn to Sir Winston Churchill, “Nations that go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished.” Conference others may have surrendered the future of Unionism and Democracy, but we have not, and whilst the need is there, we will continue to fight for what is right for everyone in Ulster, and may the odds that we face in the battles that await make each heart bolder.

On the education front, Ards councillor Terry Williams started by pointing to excellence at the top end of the scale (though made no reference to educational underachievement in the rest of his speech).

Few things better illustrate the failure of devolved government than education. Northern Ireland has one of the best education systems in the UK. Our pupils consistently outperform their counterparts in England and Wales when it comes to GCSE and A’ level results.

This year, A* – C grades were achieved by 76.3% of GCSE candidates in our Province. The UK average was 69.1%.

Again, when it came to A’ level achievements our pupils finished top of the class with 9.3% achieving A*. In England and Wales the figure was 8.1%.

And yet in recent times Northern Ireland’s education system has undergone – and is still undergoing – radical change.

The change which has grabbed all the headlines has been the Sinn Fein/IRA assault on academic selection and the minister’s failure to spend funds allocated to her by executive.

He referred to Peter Robinson’s recent well publicized speech about education, highlighting the portion which said “it has been said that considerable savings could be made with the creation of a Single Education Authority. I still hope that agreement can be reached in moving away from the five Education and library boards to a single authority.”

TUV has consistently opposed the creation of ESA. Why? Surely on the face of it a single body replacing 5 ELBs makes sense. You will cut out a lot of the administrative costs for one thing. And that is how the DUP will doubtless seek to portray their policy shift – it’s all about saving money.

Is it?

The Chief Executive designate of ESA has no background in education. Prior to his appointment as Chief Executive of the Northern Ireland Council for the Curriculum, Examination and Assessment (CCEA) in 2000, he was managing director of the Coal Division of Cawoods Fuels.

His time at CCEA was marked by radical changes in the school curriculum. Under his leadership schools moved away from grounding children in the basic subjects of English, Maths and Science to a “progressivist” curriculum where the critical early years are characterized by play rather than learning.

Such an education is incapable of being tested. Support for ESA, therefore, is incompatible with support for academic selection.

Terry passed the education baton to TUV member Kaye Kilpatrick who got stuck into Irish Medium education – historically and financially.

It is undeniable that there is a direct link between the Irish language and Republicanism. Consider Patrick Pearse, the commander in chief of the Republican forces during the Easter Rising. Did you know that Pearse was not just a rebel leader but an educationalist? Yes! He started his own school where pupils were taught through the medium of Irish. Here is what he once had to say about the language:

“When the position of Ireland’s language as her greatest heritage is once fixed, all other matters will insensibly adjust themselves. As it develops, and because it develops, it will carry all kindred movements with it. When Ireland’s language is established, her own distinct culture is assured. “

And don’t let anyone tell you that Republicans have changed today. They are well aware of Pearse’s views and continue to portray him as a hero to be emulated. Keith Harbinson recently highlighted some of the goodies on sale on the Sinn Fein website. Well alongside T-Shirts celebrating the murderous actions of the IRA you will find posters and books idolizing Patrick Pearse and the other leaders of the Easter Rising.

The Review of Irish Medium Education published by DE last year revealed that over a five-year period (2002/3 – 2006/7) total government expenditure on Irish-medium Education was £49.7 million. Even a report commissioned by a Department headed by Ruanne could not hide the fact that additional expenditure was incurred because of the language in which the education was provided. The report conservatively put this cost at £8.7 million.

Additionally, in response to an Assembly question on 4th June 2010 the Minister of Education revealed that she would be spending a total of £13.1 million on an extension and refurbishment of one Irish-medium school and an additional £1.65 million on the construction of another.

Friends, the history of the abuse of Irish and specifically it’s use since the 19th century as a political tool to stress distinctiveness from the United Kingdom illustrates that it is much more than simply a language. It is high time that those who want to have their children educated in Irish Medium schools to pay for the privilege! Our party unashamedly opposes the public funding of these schools!

PS: Jim Allister’s website is still down.

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  • WOW – Stormont and Government as the big issues – as we approach a Stormont election. Whatever next?

  • alan56

    No attacks on Tom Elliott then?

  • Rory Carr

    The TUV announcing policies at a party conference is akin to me making a list of all the beneficiaries to be showered with my largesse just as soon as I win the lottery Euromillions.

    Still, it’s the thought that counts.

  • joeCanuck

    Seems they are similarly obsessed with SF, just like Margaret Ritchie.

  • Joe

    Provos in power should offend anyone with a brain. Evidently that excludes you?

  • alan56

    bit hard David?

  • Rocketeer

    Here’s hoping that the TUV get a good kicking at the polls in May.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    I thought I was the only one that did that.
    But theres more fun in listing all those people Im not gonna help.

  • Another cracking Slugger contribution. On topic and insightful

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    again

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Yes indeed but theres a certain logic in Margaret Ritchie attacking SF as the SDLP can win votes from or lose votes to SF. She was also harder on the AP than she was on the UUP for the same reason.
    She didnt mention the TUV and theres no good reason why she would.

    No real point in Jim Allister attacking SF at his Party Conference. Its not as if Willie Ross or David Vance were listening and thought “sheesh Jim is right. I wont vote SF after all”.
    The only people likely to be convinced in Cookstown would be some of the hotel staff.

  • Rocketeer

    Why thank you David: that is a very kind compliment. I must admit my contribution was rather a good insight into how many forward looking people in Northern Ireland view the TUV, namely as a divisive, backward and angry little party which employs the sad rhetoric of ‘dinosaur’ politics and extols a terrible ignorance. So yes, it was quite an insightful comment, and much like the Westminster election I do very much hope that the TUV are exposed in May as a regressive party of whom very few in out society support. But still, good luck…I suspect that you will require it.

  • foyle observer

    Should your oh so original contribution about ‘provos in government’, above, been some sort of inspiration to us David?

  • Foyle

    Your heroes, I understand.

    Rocketeer

    Again, insightful. For Slugger.

  • Rocketeer

    Poor David you – and your party – really do lack the necessary diplomatic skills through which to succeed in politics and to attract potential voters but perhaps that is a good thing for Northern Ireland: I wonder what is the TUV policy or view of a shared society in Northern Ireland? I simply cannot imagine that there is much potential for such a strategy under the TUV but, of course you can happily prove me wrong if you wish?

  • Stephen Blacker

    Alan in Belfast,

    Ha ha ha ha ha – I think Jim Allister should read the papers more because I think he will find that Dawn Purvis MLA dragged the DUP and others into the 21st century with her Private Members Bill on dual mandates, that must hurt so bad and I’m loving it! What do you think Mr. Vance 😉

    Unfortunately Northern Ireland is too small and too sectarian to Govern in the way Jim wants so his only option is to destroy Stormont because Sinn Fein are going nowhere no matter how much he dreams for it.

    On the issue of eradication waste as a confidence building effort the North/South body is a very important part of “Conflict Resolution” and should stay for now.

    Underachievement in education does not seem to be on any of the main Unionist Party lips so the TUV can stand strong on this one. To educate yourself on the facts and figures on this issue, a look at Dawn Purvis’s web site will give all the insight necessary.

  • Greenflag

    ‘I wonder what is the TUV policy or view of a shared society in Northern Ireland? ‘

    Stop wondering . They never believed in sharing . Never will and thats why they’ll never be more than a pinprick of a party.

  • Stephen Blacker

    Is that the Dawn Purvis who for so many years provided “insight” to the UVF? Mmmm — such a principled politician.

    I see you prefer £500m waste rather than economic saving. You’d think there was a recession…hang on….

  • Stephen Blacker

    David Vance,

    Yes you are correct, the very one! An unwillingness to learn shows you up as a very narrow minded person, you would think you were in the TUV…hang on…

  • joeCanuck

    What a novel way to attract voters. Tell them they haven’t got a brain. Back at ye!

  • Stephen Blacker
  • UVF = IRA =UDA.
    All utterly corrupt yet worshipped by some.

  • David, you persuaded about 5% of the electorate of East Belfast to vote for you/TUV.

    What do you think are the chances of TUV persuading London and Dublin (in association with Washington and Brussels) to move away from the present arrangements?

    When is the TUV going to tell the electorate what these chances are?

    Jim’s views about SF in government in Belfast are similar to FF, FG and Labour views about SF in government in Dublin. Dublin hasn’t got the guts to acknowledge its hypocrisy. It raised no objections when paramilitaries operated community restorative justice programmes here yet stepped in to prevent them operating similar programmes across the border.

    The TUV raised the issue of police statistics with the Chief Constable about a year ago, in particular the significant deficit of constables. Why was it unable to persuade the mainstream media to cover this story? Would additional TUV elected representatives make any difference? Would they be able to overcome the Chief Constable’s denials?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    and used by others

  • Truth & Justice

    So Jim wants to work Stormont now and not wreck it, thats a real change in direction. The TUV in government with Sinn Fein I never thought I would hear the day.

  • And voted for by degenerates,

  • I suggest you must be deaf then as we explicitly say we will NOT sit in government with the IRA. I had no idea people were so slow minded here. You must listen to your own republican rhetoric too often.

  • Rocketeer

    My comment is not directed towards your last remark but rather to my previous question: What about that shared future David?!

  • Mark McGregor

    Alan,

    Sinn Fein seems larger in the word cloud than TUV – thats just plain backward politiics.

    The only party in the north that doesn’t have their name as the keyword in a leadership speech?

  • Stephen Blacker

    David Vance,

    Is that it??? You have talked to me off and on for a long time now, so when you imply that I or anyone I quote “worships” any of the above groups it is obvious that your blinkered way of thinking ensured that you never listened to anything I told you.

  • G O’Neill

    I wonder how many other parties would have one of their leading members/representatives on a political blog slagging off other conributors as ‘Brainless’ and ‘Slow-minded’ – on a thread designed to discuss their party conference!!! Only in Ireland……

  • pia_lugum

    The trouble with this anti-tuv rhetoric is that the writers seem to treat the GFA and all that followed as a solid base for anchoring ensueing unionist policy..
    This is a dangerous folly to which ‘unionist’ unionists (as opposed to career unionists) will not ever be likely to acquiesce. The TUV are simply expressing the views of these people.
    When the UUP signed up to the GFA, they did so to literally get away home for their supper, because the NIO stopped the catering facilities at the ‘talks’. It was pure greed for short-term power, gingered with promises of peerages all washed down with a day’s starvation that did the trick.
    It is immature to think that this charade can last for ever. It will last for a while with tier upon tier of lies (a lla UUP and now a la DUP). When the crash comes it will be the TUV or similar who will be expected to clear up the mess for the unionists.

  • Cahir O’Doherty

    Perhaps, but the idea of democratically elected representatives in power should offend noone.

    As much as Jim Allister offends me personally, his democratic election wouldn’t.

  • Cahir O’Doherty

    They may be degenerates but they’re still voters, unless you want to disenfranchise people based on who they might vote for? Maybe if all but 26,300 people in Northern Ireland weren’t allowed to vote then the TUV might actually gain a seat and therefore be able to speak with at least some authority

  • Donald Fraser

    The TUV’s primary problem is that they’re just so darn unpleasant. Jim Allister is one of the most obnoxious people in politics. David Vance is a balloon. Unless the party is suddenly swelled by an influx of normal people (and it’s very hard to see that happening) then they’ll just continue to act as a poultice for the antedeluvian nutter brigade thereby sucking them out of the body politic – “Hate Catholics? Want the Croppies to lie down? Are you a generally unpleasant bigotted horror? Vote for us!…..Oh dear we’ve been electorally annihilated. Ah well – vote for us again!…..Of dear we’ve been electorally humiliated.” Eventually the message gets through to the unpleasant pondlife who’ve voted TUV that they’re in a miniscule minority in Northern Ireland – that, perhaps, may eventually precipitate some sort of gentle self-examination and redemption among these clowns – but I wouldn’t hold your breath. In the meantime – it’s great entertainment for the rest of us to watch these imbeciles repeatedly get their electoral commupance.

  • Cahir O’Doherty

    Part of me would really love to see what happened if the TUV were returned as the largest Unionist party after the next Stormont elections. I wonder just how long their rhetoric about the failures of mandatory coalition and the disgust with which they view Sinn Fein would last.

    I know David Vance will probably say that they’re principled and that they would stand by their values, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that before from various politicians.

    While part of me may enjoy that, most of me shudders at the thought of what the TUV would do if elected to power.

  • Alias

    “When the position of Ireland’s language as her greatest heritage is once fixed, all other matters will insensibly adjust themselves. As it develops, and because it develops, it will carry all kindred movements with it. When Ireland’s language is established, her own distinct culture is assured.”

    That’s true, but the TUV seem to have failed to notice that Ireland gave up its sovereignty over its national language, transfering it to a supranational agency that was established in a treaty between the United Kingdom and Ireland.

    Her Majesty now has a veto over the progress of Ireland’s “greatest heritage” and has duly downgraded it to ‘parity of esteem’ with a dialect that now masquerades as a language (Ulster Scots). There has been no progress made with the national language since Ireland surrendered its sovereignty over it, and that was the actual purpose of the surrender.

    Likewise, the British state using its puppet party in NI (PSF) to ‘advance’ the language has also helped to ensure that its progress in that jurisdiction is retarded, and not progressed.

  • Danny

    5% in the most ‘unionist’ constituency in Northern Ireland. You are simply a failed politician, Mr. Vance.

    I heard an estimate of 160 in attendance at the TUV conference. Similar to the numbers who attend the [CIRA supporting] Republican Sinn Féin Ard Fheis each year. They even have 1 councillor in the Republic. Ouch.

    David Vance can afford to carry on like this because he knows he’ll never have to answer to the voters. He simply won’t get elected.

  • Nunoftheabove

    David

    After the toe-curlingly entertaining pre-election humiliation you got on the Nolan show (almost literally not a single figure in support of your economic ‘proposals’) you have some nerve even broaching economic matters. Best that you stick to doing what you do best (…what is that exactly ?).

    The TUV: the party of – and appears to aspire to being a party for – bitter, bald, self-loathing middle class demagogic opportunists.

  • Dr Concitor

    Very true Danny, but I hope you didn’t get up specially at half six on a Sunday morning to post this. He is not worth it.

  • Rocketeer

    David, I am still eagerly awaiting your views in regards to a shared future…

  • Jj

    …wait on, m8. Vance has, as predicted by Comrade Stalin on the other TUV thread, thrown the toys out after making a lot of bluster. I blame the drink, meself. Some don’t have the stamina as the years take their toll 🙂

  • Jj

    Politics as poultice? I like that image 🙂

  • JAH

    Ah, the TUV conference. A meeting of hasbeens, neverbeens and people looking a free nosh.

    Any attempt at credibility is forever lost when anyone peeks underneath the usual anti-SF/DUP rhetoric. David Vance in particular runs a blog which reveals the utter wretchedness of the political ideals underpinning TUV and his economics spokesman role suggests that Allister hasn’t got anyone else with O level maths on his ‘team’.

    There is a role for a far right party as UKIP and BNP fulfil in the mainland. There should be questioning of the administration at Stormont and holding them to account in case some cozy consensus emerges that the public find difficult to vote out.

    But it’s not TUV. I suspect it’s really where the UUP should be and allow its centre/left members to jump ship and look at an alternative.

  • Reader

    fitzjameshorse1745: No real point in Jim Allister attacking SF at his Party Conference.
    Your ‘enemies and rivals’ theory is interesting and partially valid. But you have taken it too far. TUV isn’t worried about losing votes to SF, he’s using SF as the bogeyman., That’s why the SDLP doesn’t figure in the illustration for this article, even though he may actually lose tactical votes to the SDLP in some constituencies
    Nationalist and Republican parties have used their bogeymen too: B Specials, RUC, Brits, Orange Order, Securocrats

  • JAH

    A long overdue bit of research. Working class lads in particular are lagging well behind the rest. There may not be any easy answers, but perpetuating the current socially divisive education system (as TUV want) isn’t one of them.

  • I appreciate that Slugger’s Irish Nationalist base finds it hard to understand that some of us view the First Minister of Terror, McGuinness, with utter abhorrence. On this Remembrance Sunday, we remember that terrific IRA victory at the cenotaph at Enniskillen.

    To deal with some of the profound points above;

    Shared future? Yes, a shared British future, free from the blackmail of Repubican psuedo-democrats.

    Mark McGregor – we focused on TUV policies – read the speeches on the site.

    Donald Fraser – don’t project your sectarian bile onto me. And as for “pondlife”, I assume you aspire to that status?

    Danny – Remind me of the Sinn Fein/IRA % support in the beloved Irish Republic?

    Nunoftheabove – Just wondering which of the economic policies enunciated in depth by all other political parties on Nolan have been put into action? To the nearest one…? Nolan, like so much on the BBC, has little comprehension of economics. That’s what a £3 BILLION subsidy a year does for you. I stand ready to discuss economic policies with any sensible person – even the “smart on economics” SDLP though not the “Let’s tax plastic bags even if we don’t
    have tax raising powers”!

    Now then, you’ve had enough of my time.

  • Reader

    Stephen Blacker: “Underachievement in Protestant working Class Areas”
    A very disappointing paper. It needs proof reading, and it doesn’t define its terms.
    For instance, I was very surprised to find that education seriously hampered your chances of getting a job: “24% of working age adults in NI possessed no qualifications.” but “The overall headline statistics remain that 41.6% of the workforce have no qualifications at all”. Do the careers teachers know this?

  • RepublicanStones

    Still with the ‘terrorist language’ mentality. Makes you wonder how Iraqis feel when they hear someone speaking english !

  • Rocketeer

    Firstly David, I am not an ‘Irish nationalist’ and furthermore you simply cannot attempt to disregard criticism of TUV policies, or avoid engaging in a constructive debate with critics, by lambasting such questions as originating from ‘Irish nationalists’: this is, quite frankly a ludicrous and immature position to adopt. Moreover it is a stance not befitting an individual hoping to become a public representative. I would very much like to hear what the TUV will endeavour to do in regards to a shared future if ever placed in a position of power in which to influence such a strategy. I am asking this question because you have quite obviously not answered my previous question and rather than laying out a clear strategy you have instead provided a response lacking in any substance. So please do answer my question in a sensible and mature manner or perhaps your lack of a response, as I and many other people suspect is due to the fact that the TUV have absolutely no policy in regards to this matter. Thanks!

  • RepublicanStones

    Shared future? Yes, a shared British future…

    So that’s a no to a shared future then.

  • Nunoftheabove

    Nah, it’s the baldness, narcissism and perpetual personal under-achievement that drive the angry, uppity behaviour of these creeps.

  • catherine

    I suspect that David Vance’s real motives are to become the ‘right wing shock jock’ of Northern Ireland.

    His positioning is nothing at all to do with morality or even political participation- the electorate will never elect him, and he knows it. He is unlikable in the extreme- a reminder to us all of the years we do not want to repeat. He exudes vileness.

    He has seen, in the TUV, a platform from which to spew his right wing rhetoric- it has gained him access to the airwaves- where he has tried to shock his way into a profitable future as Northern Ireland’s Glenn Beck.

    Mr. Vance is about Mr. Vance and finding some way to make money and get the attention he so obviously craves.

  • Halfer

    I don’t see how the speeches and positions adopted by the TUV will ever attract atone other than I’ll informed supremacists. I’m absolutely bewildered by the position on the Irish language.

    Can David or someone else from the TUV (or even unionist community at large) tell me when Stormont wasn’t broken?

  • Dr Concitor

    I am not a unionist but I think I can answer the question. Stormont fulfilled its designed purpose perfectly up to the mid sixties when the state was run by and for the local aristocracy and their squires.

  • Donald Fraser

    “And as for ‘pondlife’, I assume you aspire to that status?”

    I suppose that’s what passes for cutting repartee in the moribund nether-world of TUV-land. Keep on keeping on David – you’ll probably never know just how much perverse pleasure your dogged (but ultimately doomed) antics provide. Give my regards to Jimbo and the other undead.

  • joe it seems david hasnt learned anything from his thrashing in east belfast.and as you quite rightly point out what a novel way to attract voters.vance is and alaways will be a dinasaur

  • Nunoftheabove

    David

    The rotund radio man knocked you into a cocked hat even though he’s no economic genius – that doesn’t speak badly of him in the least – he’s only doing his job; the fact that with little or no knowledge and just a smattering of commonsense he made you look like a complete berk on a subject you’d chosen to be interviewed about however says a very great deal about the serially electorally failed you.

    (all together now) “Are you (Alan) Maskey in disguise ? Are you Maskey in disguise ?”

  • just telling you david vance to prepare yourself for humilation.at the polls next year people are sick tired and sore of the tuv motley crew of no hopers.

  • I have not supported the TUV in the past due to the extreme protest message they churned out at the DUP/Sinn Fein alliance. However their recent actions seem to me as a small step towards the centre and with a little added polish to their message.

    Before the start of November I thought that they would struggle to return 1 MLA (Allister himself) but I now think there is the potential for 3-5 MLAs next year.

    They know who their target market is and they know how to get them.

  • yes its staggering david vance appeals to voters in that way.must be the weather david vance for east belfast not looking good for you mr vance.

  • david vance i am from the unionist cummunity and a lot of the comments are from pro union voters so spouting out lashing out blaming nationalists just shows out of step with the views of the unionist commuinity your are.

  • Ghost Bear

    lol they’ve been discussing slugger over on atw, this is Mr. Vance’s last reply

    “Yes, left them a final comment. Then went and had a wash. Dipping into Slugger is akin to cleaning out a drain.”

    lol oddly enough, this was a comment on a thread to do with Vance’s usual muslim bashing agenda. Reading further up the comments I see this little gem…

    “I stand with Chruchill.

    If it means internment camps, mass lethal injections and Nuclear bombs the Militant Muslims must be exterminated to a man or woman.

    I’ll engage the old cancer theory:

    You get it you’d want every last cancer cell exterminated if you want to keep on breathing. You MUST eliminate them all. And, what’s a hoot, I don’t even hear the most militant, bleeding-heart, Liberal cancer suffers arguing that the “poor” cancer cells must be spared. Funny how when it comes down to the struggle for YOUR life you see your enemy in a different perspective.

    Muslims are the cancer cells of the planet.”

  • Jj

    I am reminded that a UK politician said something on Twitter about someone needing to be stoned to death.

    They were visited by the police.

    Should the PSNI visit Mr Vance?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Did the TUV leader finish the Conference by telling the party faithful (all four of them) to return to their constituencies and prepare for Government.?

  • JAH

    TBH I think the piece you quoted was actually written more in the style of “A Modest Proposal” than how it reads here. There are a lot of mickey takers on ATW.

  • Jj

    Fair enough. I’ve asked Jim A and the PSNI to comment.

  • Nuance

    I couldn’t agree more – I’m reading these posts by David Vance open-mouthed. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a party seek to win support by insulting those who disagree with its principles.

  • Ghost Bear

    tbh I think the man should be locked up in an asylum for his own good ! lol

  • michael

    David, the way you have spoken to people here on Slugger is just plain rude. Calling the electorate ‘degenerates’ and ‘deaf’ and ‘slow-minded’ simply because they disagree with your position is a tad arrogant.
    As much as I don’t like the though of former terrorists in government, my stomach turns at the thought of you and your ilk in government more so. I.
    I look forward to the TUV second annihilation next year. After the westminister election it appears the only deaf and slow-minded are yourselves in the TUV, and absolute bunch of degenerate rejects.

  • Stephen Blacker

    Reader,

    I must agree with you, this is a very disappointing paper, the facts and figures are a disgrace and it is a shame on our education and social systems that this has been allowed to fester and develop.

    It is amazing what some people pick out to highlight but I guess that is why a consultation period is necessary. The figures you quote indicates to me the lack of good quality jobs we have in Northern Ireland.

  • Rocketeer

    Poor David was unable to respond to my question, what a shame – but then again I did not quite believe in the first place that he could actually offer me a sensible answer.

  • Clo

    If you and your ilk in the TUV ever got into power sir you wouldn’t even need bombs and bullets, or a history of them, to wreak havoc on our society.

  • Donald Fraser

  • Are there no TUV members in the building?