Video of the boarding of the Marmara…

Via John McGuirk, a video of what happened when the Israelis sent their soldiers in, one by one,  to board the Turkish ship Marmara armed with paint guns and pistols.

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  • RepublicanStones

    Say hello to Francis Fukuyama for me Heinz will ya 😉

  • joeCanuck

    So, you believe everything that Netanyahu says but nothing that anyone else says. Well done man.

  • joeCanuck

    Clicking just takes me to a site called comblogspot and also a semi-porno pop up.

  • vanhelsing

    I’m not saying I believe everything bibi says. I watched the footage. The purpose of the flotilla was clear to everyone – come on!

    Still no answer about my last comment…

  • Sorry for butting in – I think the url is wrong – you need to delete some of the text, Pippakin (I think there is an extra comblogspot in there). Joe – in the interim, you can just delete the comblogspot from the web address and it should work okay.

  • pinni

    This has got to be the quote of the day, from Democratic VP Biden, no less:

    “They’ve said, ‘Here you go. You’re in the Mediterranean. This ship — if you divert slightly north you can unload it and we’ll get the stuff into Gaza,’”, he said. “So what’s the big deal here? What’s the big deal of insisting it go straight to Gaza? Well, it’s legitimate for Israel to say, ‘I don’t know what’s on that ship. These guys are dropping… 3,000 rockets on my people.

    “Look, you can argue whether Israel should have dropped people onto that ship or not — but the truth of the matter is, Israel has a right to know — they’re at war with Hamas — has a right to know whether or not arms are being smuggled in.”

    During the interview, Biden also blamed Hamas for the crisis that has wracked the coastal territory and for the ongoing state of conflict with Israel.

    “As we put pressure, and the world put pressure on Israel to let material go into Gaza to help those people who are suffering, the ordinary Palestinians there, what happened? Hamas would confiscate it, put it in a warehouse [and] sell it.

    Love ya, Joe! Sorry for all those nasty things I said about ya Joe…

  • This is my fault! i was uncomfortable with so many references to Pippakin. I know they were not all me but I felt exposed! So, I tightened up the privacy rules…

    The little blog was always an amateur thing, not intended to attract attention, I never thought anyone would be interested.

    Try, http://pippakin-meiow.blogspot.com

  • joeCanuck

    Sorry, Vanhelsing, can’t answer that last point. I wasn’t there.

  • John O’Neill

    Thanks for that.

  • So presumably if everyone stops every ship bound for Isreal and carefully checks its manifest, after dropping from helicopters in the middle of the night of course, that will be perfectly alright and the Israelis will not object at all…

  • EWI

    No surprise to see McGuirk pushing this stuff. As to getting the side of those on the ships themselves, as expected they’re not going to be getting any of their recording devices back from the Israelis, of course:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10219391.stm

  • pinni

    Is the tide turning in Israel’s favour or what? More balanced reporting? Wow!

    Reuters: Is Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza legal? Short Answer: Yes.

    The AP talking with a terrorism expert about the Turkish group that organized the flotilla:

    The Istanbul-based Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief, known by its Turkish acronym IHH, had “clear, long-standing ties to terrorism and Jihad,” former investigating judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere told The Associated Press in a telephone interview…

    “They were basically helping al-Qaida when (Osama) bin Laden started to want to target U.S. soil,” he said…

    The former judge, renowned for tracking down convicted terrorist Carlos the Jackal, said he didn’t believe the IHH could have been infiltrated by terrorists without its knowledge.

    “It’s hard to prove, but all elements of the investigation showed that part of the NGO served to hide jihad-type activities,” Bruguiere said. “I’m convinced this was a clear strategy, known by IHH.”

    Videos and audio of orchestrated ‘peace activist’ violence, jihadi planning, legal standing to enforce blockade, etc, etc, etc. Looking better all the time.

  • joeCanuck

    a terrorism expert

    Yep; all you have to do today is to call people terrorists and they’re fair game.
    You do know that the N.Korean government think that we are terrorists. That’s why they need nuclear bombs.

  • RepublicanStones

    Surely if its a state of war then the international community should permit Hamas to inspect ships bound for israel? Or does Israel get to play by its own rules? And Biden seems to ignore that Israel would not allow 100% of the aid into Gaza.

  • RepublicanStones

    Reuters: Is Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza legal? Short Answer: Yes.

    Yeah if your short answer ignores the legal obligations of the state which is enforcing the blockade. You linked article doesn’t seem to mention them for some reason…so perhaps you would take us through the legalities of that blockade, furthermore would you also take us through the obligations of the state enforcing a blockade with regard to the welfare of the populace under the blockade and you can throw in the legalities surrounding international law and collective punishment while your at it. Oh and sure treat us to the obligations of an occupying power (which any nation enforcing a blockade is) as stipulated in the Fourth Geneva Convention. And sure to round off hit us with how you think Israel is honouring the Quartet sponsored Agreement on Movement And Access, which Israel signed up to in 2005.

  • oneill

    RS

    You will be pleased to hear my last comment on the subject

    “Huamn rights abuses in other regimes are not ‘ignored’, there is less debate certainly, but only because there are more apologists for israel.”

    As you are well aware, my question right from the beginning of this thread (check it if you don’t believe me) is why those who shout loudest about Israel’s human rights on here and elsewhere have virtually nothing to say about similar and worse abuses happening elsewhere…”less debate” is putting it mildly. Your argument seems to be “Human rights in Israel matter more because its government enjoys the support of the”west” and its *intellectuals*(hmmm…really?)”? Its an argument certainly, but again, not a very strong one. And constantly,it was both you and Michael who ought up the “anti-semitic argument” not me”.

    Michael,

    The fact that they don’t though kind of destroys the main plank of your argument?

    You’ve both got the last word on this one… I’m off for some hummus and pita for breakfast 😉

    Shalom.

  • padraig

    Thats one of the reasons why I hate the Protestant State for a Protestant people. Each side seeks to bolster their own side. So, the Orangemen supported the white South Africans ( a loosing side by the way), the Rhodesians (more loosers), the National Front (more loosers) and every nut case right wing , world hated facist organisation and group that crawls upon the Earth. They do this because of a continual paranoid fear they are going to loose their sectarian head count statelet.

    Of course they back Israel, they do things Unionists would love to do..and would do again if they could get away with it.

  • johno

    I see this crap site has now attracted the dregs from the BBC Talkback forum. Mick, the decline is quickening.

  • RepublicanStones

    O’Neill again you seem incapable of grasping this very simple point. Critics of Israel are not one single entity. Your claim that they ignore other human rights abuses is ridiculous. If this thread was about Burma I and others would be complaining about the treatment of the Karen. What we wouldn’t be doing is wading through reams of apologetics for the Burmese regime. Enjoy your hummus, I recommend lebanese above all.

  • Wilde Rover

    Since it would appear that diehard unionism and Zionism are inextricably linked in the minds of many of the esteemed contributors to this thread, perhaps they could shed some light on their attitude towards the possibility of one of their military allies – namely Turkey – becoming embroiled in a military conflict with Israel.

    Would it be a case of Britain standing resolutely behind their longtime NATO friend, or another cut and run from Perfidious Albion?

  • Mack

    RS –

    That would be a reasonable quid pro quo, although Hamas wouldn’t have the capability to enforce that.

    If Israel inist on inspecting imports into (and exports out?) of Gaza for arms – then the international community should insist that is what they are limited to banning. International (EU, US, Turkish) monitors to make sure goods get through in a timely manner in one piece would be useful as well..

  • vanhelsing

    love the typical republican generalisations here. I’m sure a very small minority of orangemen supported the old SA republic, even smaller number NF. On the subejct of Rhodesia in the 1960s black Rhodesians enjoyed the highest social welfare of any coloured people in all of africa – mainly because SA had apartheid, we [the British] made a mess of leaving other colonies and Ian Smith actually cared about all of the people of Rhodesia [backed by a strong natural economy.

    So unionists identify with Israel for a range of mainly political reasons – although obviously terrorism being the key.

    Whilst this subject is still getting air time explain to me padraig why all the other ships suffered no casualities and only one ended up with chaos?

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Since the ships attacked by Israel pirates were under the flag of Turkey, doesn’t this constitute an attack on a NATO member by a non-member of NATO member? Doesn’t Article 5 of the NATO charter make clear that all other NATO members are obliged to regard this as they would an attack on themselves? Surely this is as much an attack on the US as was Pearl Harbour? (And moreso than 9/11, which unlike this incident was carried out by unidentified non-state actors.)

    O’Neill

    Human rights must be universal, if they are to be human rights. The human rights of Kurds, Tamils, Chechens, New Yorkers and Londoners are identical to those of Palestinians.

    But it’s perfectly obvious that westerners get especially exercised by Israel’s atrocities because we (the west) could actually DO something immediate and decisive to drastically reduce the scale and frequency of these atrocities. That is, we could stop supporting, funding, facilitating and participating in them.

    Now, we can hate and lament the crimes committed in Sudan, Uzbekistan, North Korea, China (the list goes on) and we can denounce them, but frankly, such denunciations and lamentations are of no moral value whatsoever, since there’s nothing whatsoever that we can do about them. We might as well get excited about the barbarity of Genghis Khan. Such a debate might have some historical value, but no moral value whatsoever.

    You cite Saudi Arabia as an example of a hideously oppressive government that we in the west “don’t give a fuck about”. Clearly Saudi Arabia has one of the worst human rights records in the world. I know this because there is mountain of information available on human rights abuses there, scarcely a month goes by without a major report in the Irish or British media, and there are dozens of organisations that campaign on the very issue of human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia. Clearly, many westerners “give a fuck”.

    But even if your contention were true (and it surely is not) there remains the salient distinction that Israel is a force of occupation. Its brutality is external, and is meted out against another nation. So we are talking here about, certainly human rights abuses, certainly war crimes, and maybe even genocide.

    (Right-wingers and Zionists frequently cite Hamas’ talk about wiping Israel from existence as justification for the latest Israeli atrocity, never acknowledging that while Hamas talk about it, the Israeli government is actually DOING it to the Palestinian people.)

    Perhaps a legitimate parallel might be drawn with Russia’s virtual obliteration of Chechnya. (Though this was an “internal” Russian horror show.) Certainly western criticism of that mediaeval-style conflict has been pathetically muted, but this is perhaps understandable:

    a) Putin’s scarcely-concealed policy of simply assassinating scores of foreign journalists, has ensured the region has been journalist-free since the late ‘90s. (Israel has adopted this policy in Gaza);

    b) There’s nothing we in the west can do about it. Again, there’s virtually no moral value in westerners protesting about Chechnya, particularly since our governments are actively supporting and participating in similar atrocities in the Middle East.

    You suggest that “The “Palestine” question” is “trendy, this generation’s Vietnam”, and suggest that those protesting about regular Israeli atrocities are “morally shallow”.

    Isn’t the simpler explanation that: presented with a 43-year occupation punctuated by incessant barbarity, most people believe the moral imperative is to stop massacring people; and that it’s logical to direct most attention to the aggressors, those who are doing by far the most killing?

    Isn’t it easy to understand that since “we” provision, assist and collaborate with the aggressors in these atrocities, most people take the moral view that “we” should stop doing so?

    Much as with Vietnam, hasn’t it ever occurred to you that most people just don’t want to participate in evil?

    If we, citizens of the west, who have access to democratic institutions, can change our governments’ policies of participating in Israel’s war crimes and acts of aggression, then we can directly affect the situation, and help prevent further crimes and aggressions. The US, in particular, could secure peace the Middle East overnight by desisting from preventing it. And we must also stand alongside the many heroic voices among Jewish Israelis themselves, like the thousands who protested at the Ministry of Defence in Tel Aviv on Monday, who are wise enough to understand that Israel must, eventually choose peace and security over aggression. Good, peaceful, civilised Israel has, and should have, a future. The evil, lunatic Israel presently loosed upon the world would not long survive a change in priorities in Washington.

    Unlike human rights abuses in Uzbekistan and North Korea, westerners taking a stand against Israel IS an action with real moral value. There IS something “we” can do about this, and many people in western societies feel strongly that we ought to do so. (As was the case with Vietnam.)

    But of course, some people will prefer to adopt the profoundly aggressive position of insisting that only anti-Semitism can possibly explain why so many westerners seem to care that they are complicit in some of the most transparent evil in the world today.

  • Jean Meslier

    “..(Right-wingers and Zionists frequently cite Hamas’ talk about wiping Israel from existence as justification for the latest Israeli atrocity, never acknowledging that while Hamas talk about it, the Israeli government is actually DOING it to the Palestinian people.)..”

    Israeli governments-all of them- have since the 6 day War been steadily chipping away at Palestine’s very existence. It is Genocide by a thousand cuts.
    Oh how the Zionists must snigger when successive US spokespersons cite Hamas’s “wiping Israel” sh*te and the 1,000’s of glorified squibs which occasionally kill a foreign worker as he slaves in the midday sun in an Israeli field, as justification for allowing the brutal oppression of the Palestinian people.
    The Israeli’s attack Gaza constantly. They thrive on windows of opportunity- like natural disasters- to sneak bombing raids on defenceless civilians. Hardly the tactics of a country just defending itself.
    The term IDF is the greatest misnomer ever.
    The Israeli invasion in 2008/09 even broke the convention of allowing civilians to flee from a fighting. What sort of sick mind does not recognise the right of refugees to flee from a war zone?
    Justice for Palesine

  • padraig

    [b]padraig why all the other ships suffered no casualities and only one ended up with chaos?[/b]

    Van,

    Explain to me why out of all the protests held here it was the Civil Rights March the Brits went in and committed mass murder in?

    because it was picked as an example for the rest.

    Same with the boat.

  • padraig

    Must be crap for you Johnno. Perhaps some kind of Sash only policy might be instituted on posters?

  • pinni

    CNN has an article today on the slaughter of Jews in Lithuania which clearly highlights why Israel will never again yield to those who hate Jews and why they will never pay any attention to people like some of the idiots posting here on Slugger. Over 90 percent of Lithuania’s 220,000 Jews were murdered in cold blood during World War 2!

    Through the centuries the Jews have suffered unjust persecution, and the current hate campaign against Israel is just the latest in an endless stream of anti-semetic behaviour.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/06/03/lithuania.nazi.prosecutions/?hpt=C2

  • padraig

    Being anti- Zionist is not being anti Semitic.

    Just as being anti- Imperialist is not being anti- American.

    This should not have to be explained to anyone whose brain is slightly bigger than the size of a shriveled walnut, but, there you go, needs must.

  • Alias

    Being anti-Zionist, however, is good cover for those who are actually anti-Semitic. It isn’t coincidence that just as the West converged on potent anti-Semitic that de-legitimize Jews as a people it now converges on potent anti-Israeli sentiment that de-legitimizes Jews as a nation. The only interesting development in the meantime is that ulterior agenda to de-legitimize Israel as a state is also the agenda of the East, having converged with the historic sentiment in the West. So just as Hamas seeks to de-legitimize Israel as a state, that agenda from the East now finds support in the West due to its own historic prejudices.

  • Alias

    Not so! or perhaps not so for everyone, surely the best way to a safe and prosperous ‘Jewish’ state is to ensure all their neighbours are respected as equals.

    This latest problem really began when Israel and its allies refused to recognise Hamas as the legitimate government of Palestine. Like them or not, and I dont, they are the rightful government.

  • joeCanuck

    Pippakin,
    It’s intellectually lazy for some, like a few on this thread, to simply dismiss people whom you disagree with by giving them a label of anti-this or anti-that or, more common these days, as a terrorist or supporter of terrorists. Sticks and stones….

  • Joe

    Ah but its so easy! and I have, to my dismay, not to mention my extremely bad temper found out that labels are so easy to apply.

    I sometimes wonder what part of ‘pacifist’ or as I would say ‘harm none’, is so hard to understand.

    I am a novice in the world of blogging or commenting but I have decided no matter what, no matter who: the truth is still the truth…

  • johno

    I send money every month to a family in Gaza. It’s a small effort but it’s all I can do. I’m glad I’m doing something to help the resistance to the apartheid state of Israel. I’m also pretty careful not to buy fruit etc that may have been made by those disgusting settler bigots who steal Palestinian land. Again, a small effort – but a daily one.

    Israel – a Jewish state for the Jewish people. Yeah,that’s a real basis for a fair and decent society, isn’t it? Look what Ulster’s Protestant state for the Protestant people produced.

    Israel is currently gorging itself on violence. This is what happens when you allow bigots, racists and religious fundamentalists a free hand the way America has.

    The Palestinians will ultimately be free.

  • padraig

    [b]Pippakin,
    It’s intellectually lazy for some, like a few on this thread, to simply dismiss people whom you disagree with by giving them a label…[//b]

    Yeah Joe,[i]’intellectually lazy'[/i] like a label like calling everyone anti-semitic and accepting IDF video and press hand outs like Moses coming down from Mt Zion.

    Lazy , mnidless and totally reactionary, too.

  • joeCanuck

    padraig,

    Wrong brackets; use .

  • RepublicanStones

    Pinni any chance of a link to where you have been demanding a state for the Romany people who suffered the greatest loss of any group which the Nazi’s targeted in the Holocaust, or as the Romany refer to ti, the Devouring.

  • joeCanuck

    oops; lack of preview:

    triangle like ones if the above didn’t work.

  • padraig

    I believe we are in agreement, at least in part. It is wrong, as I have often said, for anyone to say ‘anti Israel is anti Jewish’.

  • joeCanuck

    And I try to be even more specific, Pippakin, by saying anti-Israeli government actions or policies. Still, it doesn’t stop some people from occasionally accusing me of being anti-semitic.

  • RepublicanStones

    Being anti-Zionist, however, is good cover for those who are actually anti-Semitic.

    Your not having a good couple of threads Alias. For you to think anti-Semites are against Israel shows a distinct lack of understanding. First up well take the granddaddy of Zionism, Theodor Herzl –

    “The antisemites will become our most loyal friends, the antisemites nations will become our allies.”

    Now consider the support for israel in America. most virulent in the form of those on the evangelical right. Christian Zionists and dispensationalists. Now if you know anything about there doctrine and their beliefs, it doesn’t envisage a happy end for world Jewry.

    I would further direct you to the consensus between Finkelstein and Goldhagen (who are not exactly bosom buddies) with regard to the issue of philo-semitism, specifically exaggerated philo-semitism. it’ll certainly open your eyes. Or you could just keep trying to silence critics of israel with the accusation of antisemitism, which only serves to lessen the impact and cheapen the charge.

  • RepublicanStones

    For you to think anti-Semites are always against Israel…*

  • Joe

    You are right. I must try to remember to add the government to ‘Israeli’. It seems some people need the ‘Is’ dotted and the ‘Ts’ crossed more than others. My mistake, again…

  • pinni

    Guess you didn`t get a chance to read this article in the Financial Times, Johno. You should send your money to somewhere like Africa or North Korea where it is really needed.

    Israel is primarily a state for Jews, just like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, etc, etc is for Muslims, India is for Hindus, Thailand is for Buddhists, East Timor and Croatia etc, etc is for Catholics and the South of Ireland is for paedophile priests.

    Israel is entitled to its own homeland. Surely they have suffered enough over the centuries. Are maybe you still want to punish them for killing Jesus.

  • oneill

    “Human rights must be universal, if they are to be human rights. The human rights of Kurds, Tamils, Chechens, New Yorkers and Londoners are identical to those of Palestinians.”

    Spot on.

    “But it’s perfectly obvious that westerners get especially exercised by Israel’s atrocities because we (the west) could actually DO something immediate and decisive to drastically reduce the scale and frequency of these atrocities. That is, we could stop supporting, funding, facilitating and participating in them.”

    “We” being the governments as opposed to the population? “Participating”? The UK or the US has participated in atrocities carried out by Israel? Leaving aside that query, “our” governments support, fund, facilitate a whole host of unsavoury regimes throughout the world; I gave the example of Saudi Arabia, which continues to enjoy US logistical and military support despite the horrors carried out by that regime; there are obviously more as you yourself identify (e.g. the Central Asian Republics). If you believe the pressure of public opinion can affect UK/US attitudes towards Israel, why would that same public opinion not have the same effect elsewhere?

    “Now, we can hate and lament the crimes committed in Sudan, Uzbekistan, North Korea, China (the list goes on) and we can denounce them, but frankly, such denunciations and lamentations are of no moral value whatsoever, since there’s nothing whatsoever that we can do about them.”

    I had to read that twice to make sure I’d understood it correctly. The fact that Amnesty lists faithfully the human rights abuses of all countries, whether it or not it can “do” anything about them, has no moral value? The fact that the indefatigable Peter Tachell risks life and limb by throwing himself, literally, at homophobic thugs in places like Moscow and Warsaw, with little chance of him being able to “do” anything concrete to improve the situation has no “moral vale”? I sincerely hope that was a throwaway comment on your part.

    “You cite Saudi Arabia as an example of a hideously oppressive government that we in the west “don’t give a fuck about”. Clearly Saudi Arabia has one of the worst human rights records in the world. I know this because there is mountain of information available on human rights abuses there, scarcely a month goes by without a major report in the Irish or British media, and there are dozens of organisations that campaign on the very issue of human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia. Clearly, many westerners “give a fuck”.”

    Some do, the vast majority couldn’t- next time we hear of human rights abuses there, will we see hundreds/thousands protesting outside the Saudi embassy, do we see it as “trending” topic on Twitter, will we see 400 plus comment threads on Slugger?

    Re Israel occupation and war crimes… the comparison with the reaction of western “activists” to Russia’s “war” in Chechnya is apposite

    “Perhaps a legitimate parallel might be drawn with Russia’s virtual obliteration of Chechnya. (Though this was an “internal” Russian horror show.) Certainly western criticism of that mediaeval-style conflict has been pathetically muted, but this is perhaps understandable:
    a) Putin’s scarcely-concealed policy of simply assassinating scores of foreign journalists, has ensured the region has been journalist-free since the late ‘90s. (Israel has adopted this policy in Gaza);
    b) There’s nothing we in the west can do about it. Again, there’s virtually no moral value in westerners protesting about Chechnya, particularly since our governments are actively supporting and participating in similar atrocities in the Middle East.”

    Point b) re moral value I have already answered but I’ll also add that in the modern internet world everytime you make a comment on a site like this, send an email to the regime in question (or your own government) etc you are doing something and something which although it takes very little of your time, if done with enough others then will have an effect somewhere down the line. Also, on a human level, could you really justify to a displaced Tamil in NE Sri Lanka for example, “Sorry, I’ve made a guess that whatever I do won’t make any difference to your situation, so I’ve taken the moral decision to not even bother trying”?

    “Much as with Vietnam, hasn’t it ever occurred to you that most people just don’t want to participate in evil?”

    The moral vacuity occurs when we decide that there is evil we will not “let” our governments participate in and an evil which we will decide to ignore. I’ll give you another example of what I’m getting at. Within the European Union (i.e. not in “places which we know little of and care even less for”) there is a group of people who face not only 19th century style discrimination in the area of education and employment but also forced sterilisation and in the last 18 months a deliberate assassination campaign, carried out solely on the basis of ethnicity, which has left close to a dozen dead. In the European Union remember, where if we (for a start all who have railed against Israel on this thread) decided to involve ourselves more in getting our governments to take to task their fellow EU administrations in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia, then we would have a real chance to achieve something worthwhile. It won’t happen of course, because the cause of the Roma isn’t quite as sexy as taking on the “Zionist State” and if you don’t believe me then check any of the previous threads on here about their plight either in their homelands or over here in the “civilised” part of the EU. Put it this way, the number of people raging about their plight is almost outnumbered by those engaging in the vilest kind of racism I’ve ever had the misfortune to read anywhere, never mind on Slugger.

    One last point,

    “And we must also stand alongside the many heroic voices among Jewish Israelis themselves, like the thousands who protested at the Ministry of Defence in Tel Aviv on Monday, who are wise enough to understand that Israel must, eventually choose peace and security over aggression.”

    Quite. A fact which needs to be drummed into the bigoted skulls of more than one “pro- Palestinian Activist” here raging about the collective “Israeli Scum” is that a bit more cooperation with such groups from those who genuinely want to help the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza would probably have more effect than all the Embassy protests and “Smash Israel” demos put together.

    But again, perhaps it wouldn’t be so “sexy”?

  • oneill

    RS

    When you say the “greatest loss” you mean numerically?

    But the dire situation of the Roma (which still exists today and is getting worse) is well worth the mentioning and I’ve used the example in my comment to Billy Pilgrim above.

    Re the Lebanon hummus. Unfortunately, since my partner and I have a visa from the “Zionist State” sitting v proudly in our passport, I’ll be unlikely to test your claim for at least another 6 years or so. I’ll give you two recommendations though, one ironically enough is for a Lebanese restaurant in E Jerusalem, Pashas. Second is the Haret J’doudna in Madaba, Jordan (which takes a much more enlightened view of israeli visas).

  • Argosjohn

    The scum pirates have now siezed an Irish ship and are contrasting the non violence of the Irish and Malaysians with the Turks who violently twiched when they were murdered at point blank range.

    The Daily Telegraph is back on form, blaming the Turks and linking it in to Bloody Sunday when “the wrong story went out”. The right story is that terrorist, genocidal states like Israel and Britain do not commit the murders and genocides they are renowned for.

    Time to expel the Chief Rabbi. I remember watching the Late Late Show years ago when the resident Mossad Chief Rabbi, recently arrived from South Africa (where Jews and Israelis were central to the apartheid regime) was so condescending to the Irish. Fucker should have been sent back to his one or otehr of his apartheid havens on the spot.