Not leadership material?

Sinn Féin have large generic election posters appearing across the north, they highlight what seems to be their main theme ‘leadership’.

The attached image is essentially the one from the poster, it shows all their currently elected MPs and their two hopefuls – Ruane and Kelly (no O’Dowd?).

Well, when I say all – strangely SF’s ‘leadership poster’ doesn’t include Pat Doherty.

  • Pat Doherty has always been looked past as an MP… If you ask any member of the public to name the SF MPs they would say Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Michelle Gildernew and Conor Murphy… Sad but true

  • As one blog to another

    Obviously a loss leader promotion.

  • Mark McGregor

    Kevin,

    You are probably correct. Before blogging this I asked three pretty astute politicos who was missing. None realised.

  • Lionel Hutz

    God help us all lol!

    Wonder what Doherty feels like when he has to go around canvassing. West Tyrone is a very safe seat, both for Sinn Fein and for Nationalism as a whole.

    There is still a question mark over where Deeny’s vote (over 27% in 2005) will go to this time round. The SDLP vote fell by around two thirds in 2005. They should get some of that back but Doherty would be fighting for alot of it.

    Does it hurt him that he isn’t in the picture -I can confirm that this is plastered all round the major routes in Tyrone,incluiding Omagh to Strabane,Castlederg etc

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    A Conspiracy Theory Too Far Mr McGregor,
    Leadership.
    Gerry Adams Leader of the Party
    Martin McGuinness……Deputy First Minister
    Caitriona Ruane……Eduaction Minister
    Michelle Gildnernew….Agriculture Minister
    Conor Murphy….Development or whatever Minister
    Gerry Kelly….”Junior Minister”.

    So no Doherty…….obviously
    So no O’Dowd …obviously
    So no Anybody else.
    Make sense to you now?

  • Mark McGregor

    I’ve just realised. They all (barring Adams) are Stormont ‘ministers’. Thats leadership and Pat doesn’t meet the criteria because of course this is an election to Stormont…….

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Yes…..perhaps realising it BEFORE you posted it might have been a good idea.

  • Mark McGregor

    Indeed, I should, like SF and your good self have realised this isn’t an actual Westminster election but an election for Stormont.

    Silly me.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    So rather than showing their currently elected MPs and their two hopefuls……it shows their Leader and the SF Executive Ministers.
    Do you think its significant that Gildernew is wearing blue and Ruane is wearing pink?
    Personally I dont.
    But there might be something sublimal there that you have spotted.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    This thread could run and run

  • Mark McGregor

    Well, ‘currently elected’ barring one. You seem to want two bites.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    No Mr McGregor…..YOU said “their currently elected MPs and their two hopefuls”
    I said…”.their Leader and SF members of Executive”
    Can I set up a link to this from my own blog?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    That would be because it was a pic of SF Leader and SF members of Executive……so hard to pinpoint a context where anyone was missing.
    If O’Dowd is “a hopeful” then surely Anderson in Foyle is.
    And arent the Party “hopeful” in East Derry?

  • Lionel Hutz

    The point still stands. This is still a Westminster election. You know that absentionism is being debated. The greatest evidence is that in any debate with the SDLP, Sinn Fein have been attenpting to discredit the SDLP’s voting record. The issue is on the dorrstep. The fact is that SInn Fein did not think Doherty as worthy of the tag leadership

  • Alias

    I suppose if you were electing the weekly team leader at Burger King you might elect one of those suitably qualified muppets but it’s rather embarrassing that folks actually elect them to public office…

    The day that that lot produce a brilliant economic plan is the day that Obama Bin Laden is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

  • Rory Carr

    Clearly the one, true leader that is missing is the one who was passed over, the Leader That Could have Been, but sadly, the Leader That Never Was.

    Step forward, Mark McGregor, Republican Extraordinaire, how we mourn your great lost chance.

    Never mind, Sinn Féin’s loss was blogging’s gain.

  • Granni Trixie

    And what are we to make of the men ALL having red(ish) ties! Colour associated with leadership? Commies?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    It could look a bit silly to not have the appropriate people for the appropriate election in the poster but this just reinforces the view that it is the Assembly that really matter to SF as the dont take their seats in Westminster and this election really only provides a useful indicator to SF as to the Assembly results.

  • Nordie Northsider

    Hate the way the Shinners mangle the Irish language. The word ‘ceannasaíocht’, which they use as the Irish equivalent to ‘leadership’ means more properly ‘military command’. Hold on, maybe that’s what they were getting at.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Indeed.
    But this entry is a blooper which belongs on the “out-take” reel.
    Wonder if the thread will be deleted.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Red is an Alpha Male thing granni trixie.

  • An Phoblacht Abu

    Not much of a conspiracy, Pat Doc has been reducing his workload for a few years, id imagine this will be his last election too. He made it clear a few years back when he wanted to step down as Sinn Fein VP

  • Oracle

    Fitz,

    I think it you that has made the blooper and you haven’t even realized it, even when Mark did you the service of pointing the problem out to you not once but twice!
    Yet you still failed to grasp the problem with you dismissal of his post and your own mistaken assertions.

    Mark pointed out twice to you that it was an election for Westminster not Stormont… drawing your attention to the absence of Docherty from the poster yet he is a sitting MP a gaffe by any standards

    You retorted alluring to the fact it’s about leadership
    “A Conspiracy Theory Too Far Mr McGregor,
    Leadership.
    Gerry Adams Leader of the Party
    Martin McGuinness……Deputy First Minister
    Caitriona Ruane……Eduaction Minister
    Michelle Gildnernew….Agriculture Minister
    Conor Murphy….Development or whatever Minister
    Gerry Kelly….”Junior Minister”.
    So no Doherty…….obviously
    So no O’Dowd …obviously
    So no Anybody else.
    Make sense to you now?
    Except you missed the fact that no one in the poster is not standing for a Westminster seat and John O’Dowd is the de facto education minister as Ruane been gagged by Sinn Fein for being by and large crap.
    I’ve taken the list below from the SF website it’s the party leadership according to Sinn Fein themselves, so if it’s about leadership some of the following people will be on the poster, if you can’t find them then it reinforces Marks point that SF made a blooper by putting up a poster more suitable for a Stormont election not a Westminster one as did you by not realizing it especially as it was pointed out not once but twice… oh dear!

    Ard Chomhairle Members 2009 – 2010
    President: Gerry Adams
    Vice President: Mary Lou McDonald
    Chairperson: Declan Kearney
    General Secretary: Dawn Doyle
    Director of Publicity: Rosaleen Doherty
    Treasurers: Rita O’Hare and Maurice Quinlivan
    Bairbre de Brún
    Pearse Doherty
    Jimmy Fox
    Mícheál Mac Donncha
    Noeleen Mac Póilín
    Mary McArdle
    Barry McElduff
    Shannonbrooke Murphy
    Seán Murray
    Áine Ní Gabhann
    Ella O’Dwyer
    Tomás Sharkey

  • Ciaran Mc Clean (Independent) West Tyrone

    For a party committed to equality the ommition of Pat Doherty would seem a contradiction at first glance. But then you would have to question that committment. I am standing against Pat Doherty in the West Tyrone election for a number of reasons, one of which is the lack of equality citizens in this part of the world are afforded when dealing with our MP. As part of an effort to prevent a quarry opening in one of the most beautiful areas of Tyrone we consulted with the community and got them to send almost 300 letters of objection to planning to try and prevent this monsterous proposal going through. In the file at the planning office there was one rather strong letter of support for the proposal urging planning to “fast-track” the application. That letter was written on House of Commons headed paper in the name of one Pat Doherty MP. No wonder SF are ashamed to have his face on their poster. If 300 to 1 is the type of equality SF are offering to the voters then I urge them in West Tyrone to vote for the independent candidate this time. Doherty may purport to love Ireland, his actions speak louder than any words he ever spoke.

  • Eoin

    Those are all the Sinn Féin ministers including the party president. That is why that specific bunch were chosen.

  • Oracle

    He didn’t want to…. it was more the case that he was told to step down An Phob.
    McIlduff will be he next candidate for West Tyrone but SF wanted to kill all SDLP threats first before replacing Docherty, even if that meant keeping in place a person whom thay decided has to be dispensed with quietly for a period longer than they would feel comfortable with

  • An Phoblacht Abu

    McElduff isnt liked among the strabane lot of Sinn Fein, thats why he hasnt made the jump to MP already, alot of them just simply wont vote for him, Pat Doc is a likeable kind of guy so a safe bet

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    While 300 letters is obviously impressive….the single letter written by Doherty is impressive as nearly 17.000 voted for him to write such letters, and 43,000 voted in the Election he won.
    Anyway Good luck with your campaign.
    Can you give me any inside info on the number of people likely to vote for you……so that I can make a trip to my Financial advisor, Mr Paddy Power. I was thinking in terms of about 850…accurate?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Nice try to rescue Mr McGregor from his late night posting.

    .But the context of the poster is NOT about Sinn Féins internal Party structure . Its a pic of the SF President (Leader) and the five Ministers providing Leadership at Executive level.
    Posting a composite pic of Dawn Doyle and Declan Kearney (household names in SF and their own households) would have a lot of resonance at the Ard Fhéis but hardly have much resonance in the broader Westminster Election…..now would it.
    Mr McGregors feeble ….risible…attempt to see something sinister in Dohertys exclusion is something that Mr McGregor clearly resents doing.
    Attempts to re-write his Blog are extremely amusing.

    Mr McGregor describes Ruane and Kelly as hopefuls clearly under the impression that the poster that the “Leadership” was its main “Westminster candidates” (excluding O’Dowd, Doherty). Yet he does not note that Anderson is at least as technically hopeful as O’Dowd.

    His own laughable attempt to “cover” himself at 2.14am with the fig leaf that he had just realised they were all the Executive team….is a poor show.

  • Lionel Hutz

    What a lame argument. I suppose Iris got several thousand votes to ensure her young lover his little contract.

    The arogance of it all. Astounding.

  • DonOMur

    Maybe as a true abstentionist Mr Doherty absented himself from the photograph. Great to hear he uses House of Commons headed paper. Doubtless an economic blow ‘ar son na cúise.

  • An Phoblacht Abu

    Ciaran i would estimate will score around 300-400 votes.

  • slug

    The rise of the Lib Dems could spell the end of SF in West Tyrone. AV electoral system would not suit SF in that seat.

  • DC

    Not leadership material?

    You could well be right because I can spot a former cheerleader of terror who was also an IRA non-member and its apologist; I can spot an ex-terrorist and oh another ex-terrorist who blew the head off a prisonguard – also, another somone who went to Colombia to get men back from bird watching who went without authentic passports to spot birds.

  • Rory Carr

    What is a “passport to spot birds”?

    Who would check it? The Wise Old Owl, I suppose.

  • Doherty doesn’t really fit it with the image Sinn Fein are selling this time round. He makes a brief cameo in the PEB and we just about manage to hear him speak in the West Tyrone OSF broadcast.

    Although saying that, SF have been campaigning very actively in West Tyrone. It’s obvious that the Westminster money has been invested in the party machine. They need to keep that income flowing to help maintain their infrastructure in WT.

    Is that a paradox?

  • DC

    @What is a “passport to spot birds”?

    You’ll need to ask Ruane.

  • Argosjohn

    Doherty’s brother was part of a team that committed the most reprehensible acts before they were cornered in Balcombe St. Doherty was raised in Sctoland and lived in the safety of Donegal. He should never have been a candidate for any party in Tyrone. Ditto Ms Ruane. They are there, like Mary Lou, because they are loyal to their Fuhrer.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Arent they there because…the people in West Tyrone elected Doherty to Stormont AND Westminster.
    And the people of South Down elected Ruane to Stormont.

    Presumably that s how they got elected.
    The Electoral Office clearly shows their addresses in Donegal and Louth. Perfectly legal that they are standing for election. So your interpretation of you should and shouldnt stand is pretty worthless.

  • cathal donnelly

    well none of them hold ministerial posts in westminster do they….call this silly but because of their ministerial functions they have more responsibility , recogniton as democratically elected ministers and therefore because of elections and votes and things like that this is why they are in the leadership…democracy..were you going to blame someone in the party for getting it wrong.

    now if you have something useful to offer without trying to play off pat doherty’s instincts and not your own the next comment is yours.