Popularity contest

Eamonn McCann is running for People Before Profit in Derry. He has a campaign song.

  • Michaelhenry

    will eamonn mcann take his seat if elected,will he take the oath to the anti catholic crown if elected,i say he will do both,he should change the party name to forget peoples rights,with profit.

  • Good luck to him.

  • [i]he should change the party name to forget peoples rights,with profit.[/i]

    Aye, that’s a catchy one alright…

  • seamus friel

    whether you like hsis policies or not at least he is connsistent. We wont have to worry about him claiming expenses for flats or houses whether rented from friendly landlords or bought outright.
    As for the oath which is worse taking an oath or providing cover for Peter and the Swishes by keeping your mouth shut and thereby also keeping yourself in power at all costs!!! Principles over Pragmatism, a phrase used to excuse ditching all principlesdoes anyone remember how precious and important Articles 2 and 3 were or so we were told by the people who in nthe same breath told us that really they dont mean anything!!!!

  • Michaelhenry

    articles 2 and 3 are still with us seamus friel,read the written words.

  • Cynic2

    Nul points

  • Comrade Stalin

    Michael,

    Obviously you’ve never been in Stormont, as I have, to hear Sinn Fein members work to put legislation before the Queen for Royal Assent.

  • RobertEmmett

    i like the dylanesque harmonica and organ. very good. good message. good luck Eamonn

  • Michaelhenry

    they do not and never will take the oath to the anti catholic crown,i hope you believe in equality comrade stalin,like sinn fein does.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Michael, there are plenty of Catholic MPs who take the oath throughout the UK. You’re being a dork.

  • Cynic2

    Now now Stalin. Leave him alone. His meds will kick in soon and he will sleep

  • andnowwhat

    A muslim, a jew, a hindu (no, its not the start of a Bernard Manning joke) a fek’n jedi or whatever can become PM but not a catholic!!!!

    What the hell is that about in the 21st century?

    RE Mc Cann…good luck on him. Hope he gets in and spreads throughout NI to all sections.

    Mind you. I was hoping Arsenal were going to beat Barcelona and that’s not going well

  • socaire

    Eamonn is always on the ball, but then so was Jesus and where did it get him? Why do people not say “Piss off, Eamonn, your percentage of support in the electorate is risible”? Also, I know this may come across as snobbish, grammar schoolish and,possibly, elitist but I still tend to judge posters by their spelling. Weather or not your in agreement with there points now seems questionable. For people who miss my point, joecanuck, the ex-pat will enlighten you.

  • granni trixie

    Why say Eamon is always on the ball – surely the opposite is the case?

  • Greenflag

    Back to the future with Eamonn. Gordon Gekko would not approve

    Gordon Gekko (1987 ) plus ca change etc

    The richest one percent of this country owns half our country’s wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation. It’s bullshit. You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal. The news, war, peace, famine, upheaval, the price per paper clip. We pick that rabbit out of the hat while everybody sits out there wondering how the hell we did it. Now you’re not naive enough to think we’re living in a democracy, are you buddy? It’s the free market. And you’re a part of it. You’ve got that killer instinct. Stick around pal, I’ve still got a lot to teach you.

    Gordon Gekko: You’re walking around blind without a cane, pal. A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place.

    Bud Fox: How much is enough?

    Gordon Gekko: It’s not a question of enough, pal. It’s a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn’t lost or made, it’s simply transferred from one perception to another.

    Gordon Gekko: Mixed emotions, buddy. Like Larry Wildman going off a cliff in my new Maserati.

    Gordon Gekko: [at the Teldar Paper stockholder’s meeting] Well, I appreciate the opportunity you’re giving me Mr. Cromwell as the single largest shareholder in Teldar Paper, to speak. Well, ladies and gentlemen we’re not here to indulge in fantasy but in political and economic reality. America, America has become a second-rate power. Its trade deficit and its fiscal deficit are at nightmare proportions. Now, in the days of the free market when our country was a top industrial power, there was accountability to the stockholder. The Carnegies, the Mellons, the men that built this great industrial empire, made sure of it because it was their money at stake. Today, management has no stake in the company! All together, these men sitting up here own less than three percent of the company. And where does Mr. Cromwell put his million-dollar salary? Not in Teldar stock; he owns less than one percent. You own the company. That’s right, you, the stockholder. And you are all being royally screwed over by these, these bureaucrats, with their luncheons, their hunting and fishing trips, their corporate jets and golden parachutes.
    Cromwell: This is an outrage! You’re out of line Gekko!
    Gordon Gekko: Teldar Paper, Mr. Cromwell, Teldar Paper has 33 different vice presidents each earning over 200 thousand dollars a year. Now, I have spent the last two months analyzing what all these guys do, and I still can’t figure it out. One thing I do know is that our paper company lost 110 million dollars last year, and I’ll bet that half of that was spent in all the paperwork going back and forth between all these vice presidents. The new law of evolution in corporate America seems to be survival of the unfittest. Well, in my book you either do it right or you get eliminated. In the last seven deals that I’ve been involved with, there were 2.5 million stockholders who have made a pretax profit of 12 billion dollars. Thank you. I am not a destroyer of companies. I am a liberator of them! The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

    Gordon Gekko: Greed is good.

    And the difference between 1987 and 2010 For sluggerites ?

    There are now more Gekkos’s than ever.

    But there is still only one Eamonn Farrell .

  • socaire

    No, no! Eamonn’s logic is always faultless. It’s just that his message is ignored.

  • andnowwhat

    In a place where the working classes of Dee St and the Shankhill are seriously being asked to vote for a PM who had an elite education and drank in the champagne lovers club (I forget what that’s called) maybe all sides need Eammons.

  • socaire

    You hardly expect them to vote for somebody with no 11+ and who drank in the local sibíní, do you?

  • Greenflag

    Update 2010 . Almost all of the USA’s paper manufacturers have now been outsourced to the far east . Productivity per worker has increased by over 100% since 1987 but employees have had less than a 10% real increase in household incomes .

    Of course people can now buy cheap manufactured goods from China and the system works as long as they don’t get sick or don’t lose their jobs or don’t have to borrow money to fund their children’s education and as long as the Chinese and other trillion dollar holders keep on bailing out the US Government and it’s corporate welfare state .

    Gekko still lives and is now ensconced at the top of the biggest banks and hedge fund investment compnaies while his factotums employed Chinese mathematicians to concoct ever more complex investment programs to bamboozle the idiot politicians and the shareholders and the trusting citizens of the western world .

    Good luck to Eamonn McCann . I don’t always agree with some of his stances but sending him to Westminster would not be a bad move for those people in NI who do not approve of abstentionism .

    But would he take his seat ?

  • andnowwhat

    No Socaire but it would be good if they knew what a síbíní was.

    A Toff such as Cameron knows sod all about the world. Look at the fool he made of himself in the gay media interview. He didn’t even know what his MEP’s were voting for.

    Why should working class unionistst allign themselves to him and the rest of his primmy cabinet?

  • socaire

    Sibín = ‘shebeen’. They will vote for him and his likes because they haven’t yet got rid of their big house mentality. Red is wrong and pink is even worse and the Pope is a Communist and the Order will keep you right. Of course, this holds good for the other side as well.

  • Garza

    [quote]In a place where the working classes of Dee St and the Shankhill are seriously being asked to vote for a PM who had an elite education and drank in the champagne lovers club (I forget what that’s called) maybe all sides need Eammons.[/quote]

    Or vote for an MP that rides in helicopters using the local gaelic pitch as a helipad?

  • andnowwhat

    The pope is a comminist? Is he one of the ones standing outside Tescos at Castle Junction every Saturday?

    You are right off course Socaire. There has to be a time when someone can say, I am a unioist but I believe in ….whatever and visa versa.

    I think its a while away but such thinking must be encouraged either/ both way(s).

    BTW, SF, get yor arses in to the British parliament. It’s not like the Scottish nationalists are happy about the oath etc.

  • Mack

    Greenflag

    According the Bureau of Labour Statistics the current average weekly wage (Feb 2010) for non-farm private employees in 1982 dollars is $384.98.

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf

    In 1987 it was $272.88 in 1982 dollars.

    http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)

    This is an increase of just less than 30% significantly higher than 10%.

    Bear in mind you’ve also got to accurately calculate inflation and productivity growth. Ronan Lyons reckons inflation is calculated in such a manner that it is often overstated. Primarily due to subsitition and quality biases –

    http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/11/03/who-cares-about-measuring-inflation-correctly-taxpayers-should/

    A 2010 car is likely far superior to 1987 model, and yer average $50 cellular phone packs an order of magnitude more processing power, storage, and network communications capability than any 1987 multi-billion dollar super-computer.

    By the way, for example – how likely is it in terms of actual physical output that hair dresser have become more productive? You could make a strong argument that engineers at – say – Google perfecting algorithms that help generate billions of dollars worth of sales for Google’s advertising customers are severely underpaid. But did lawyers become more productive in the interim? Somehow, I doubt it..

  • Mack

    This is another way to visualise why the 30% increase in spending power since 1987 underestimates the increase in the living standards which can be purchased –

    http://iowaartsandcrafts.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=1982496:Photo:2582

  • andnowwhat

    It’s what’s called the free market Mack. Our goverments can work their nads off to give us a better life but commerce will always be there to screw us and sponge up any benifits gained.

  • Comrade Stalin

    yer average $50 cellular phone packs an order of magnitude more processing power, storage, and network communications capability than any 1987 multi-billion dollar super-computer.

    Actually, that isn’t quite true for portable devices, although it may be given another five years or so. It’s more true if you want to compare with current high-end desktops and workstations.

    Usually these fancy computers cost millions rather than billions, without adjusting for inflation.

    Best to look at these things in terms of the cost per unit of memory, backing storage and processing power, which have fallen dramatically every year. To the point now where you can pretty much build your own supercomputer. Indeed the fastest supercomputers in the world are mostly assembled from regular PC processors, rather than the custom vector processors they used to use. Number 59 on that list is actually a room full of standard Dell blade servers.

  • Mack

    Andnowwhat –

    That doesn’t appear to be what has happened. A 30% increase in real wages (that is wages after inflation) coupled with a significant increase in the quality of goods & services purchasable with those wages does not equate to being screwed. The lot of the US worker has improved over the last 23 years.

    Productivity growth is uneven, but workers in sectors where there has been little or no productivity growth in terms of physical output also seem to have benefited.

  • Mack

    Comrade Stalin –

    In 1987 Thinkin Machines released the CM-2 Super Computer – it could handle 2500 MIPS apparently.

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-4784777.html

    Modern mobile CPUS such as the Snapdragon has a througput of around 2100 MIPS & the Intel Atom beats the CM-2 with around 3800.

    http://www.modaco.com/content/toshiba-tg01-tg01-modaco-com/290091/how-powerfull-is-snapdragon-very/#entry1037998

    I’m sure high end server CPUs would leave this well in the shade.

    Modern mobiles trounce high end desktops from 1987 –
    The Motorola 68030 (used in earlish Apple Macs and the ill-fated Atari Falcon) could manage about 11 Mips

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second

    (about 1/3000th of the processing power of today’s mobile CPUs).

  • OscarTheGrouch

    Oh our Eamon. What a guy… (sigh)

    I fear he may never see the People’s Marxist collective of Derry marching on the Guildhall to hear him give a rousing speech before all going to listen to world music in Sandino’s, and then home to mammy’s for chicken (free range) & chips.

  • Marcionite

    Eamonn McCann, the only intelligent and worthy politician/commentator/community activist in NI.

    Its socialists like him who are facing down the real oppressors i.e. employers who treat NI people like cheap worthless chattel, who are turning us a large factory farm of battery henhouses, sorry, call centres and the like.

    While there is capitalism, there will be oppression. Proclamations of republics and anthems to Queens will not make a better society.

    Socialism will. Trotskyism was the humane form of Communism that Lenin wanted to bequeath on us but was usurped by the murderer Stalin.

    Lenin wanted Trotsky to be his successor. Has he succeeded, we would be living in a better pan socialist world where individuality would be cherished within a fairer framwork.

    But laugh at Eamonn, call him a nutter etc and carry on voting for the LibLabCon if you are in England or DUPSFUUPSDLPAlliance Party in NI and see how much really changes.

    Carry on voting for the same old. Most of you are scared of change and a better society. you only vote for the same old faces because its comfortable, isn’t it? Scared your shit job and shit mortgage will be replaced by something better, yeah just like the prisoner who’se learnt to love his handcuffs.

  • Drumlins Rock

    is there a full moon tonight?

  • The moon is 45% of full. It may well be some are anticipating the event. Well, we are almost all liquid, as many loyalists and republicans can, if messily, confirm.

  • OscarTheGrouch

    But laugh at Eamonn, call him a nutter etc and carry on voting for the LibLabCon if you are in England or DUPSFUUPSDLPAlliance Party in NI and see how much really changes.

    Posted by Marcionite on Apr 06, 2010 @ 11:29 PM

    ..yeah Eamonn is the next Hugo Chavez. Certainly enjoys getting his mug on the Telly/Tele/Derry Journal etc or is that all part of the class struggle. He’s a great man for free speech as long as its not in opposition to his own.

    Forgive me if I don’t hold my breath.

    I think I’ll move on to something more important like cutting my toenails.

  • Trotskyism was the humane form of Communism that Lenin wanted to bequeath on us but was usurped by the murderer Stalin.

    Not sure that Trotsky’s record in office actually bears that out:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion

  • aquifer

    I take it he did not bother forming a labour party before standing this time.

  • Michaelhenry

    eamonn,the marxist socialist,who will sell out catholic rights,just like the stoops he will bow his head and swear loyality to the anti catholic crown.

  • Framer

    Has Eamonn never realised that without profits he would never have had an income, especially from his publishing?

    Incomes come out of profits as do benefits.

  • LabourNIman

    something that has always interested me.. why must socialists be for a united ireland?

  • Seamus

    Best of luck to Eamonn.
    A genuine man which is a rarety in politics.

  • Greenflag

    mack ,

    ‘ But did lawyers become more productive in the interim? Somehow, I doubt it..’

    Bankers and hedge fund managers not only have become become less productive but have excelled at becoming more destructive . It appears that the more ‘destructive’ they become the more they are paid -sorry -pay themselves . The differential between the average industrial wage and the pay of CEO’s and the financial sector elite has gone from a multiple of 40 times to thousands of times the average . No way can this be justified . I can understand such a differential when somebody actually creates a business and develops it but the vast majority of the ‘financial ‘ elite were /are ‘managers’ and not owners . many of them who held ‘stock options’ made bloody sure to dispose of their shares before the wall writing appeared .

    Your use of the US labor department statistics is misleading when the same department regularly undercounts US unemployment by 7% or more . Even USA ‘inflation’ statistics are suspect to a degree not seen elsewhere . This was all part of the neo con strategy going back to the 1980’s of ‘complexing’ the inflation and unemployment numbers so as to assist in the pursuit of the neo con agenda .

    ‘The lot of the US worker has improved over the last 23 years.’

    Hrmmmph . And Alan Greenspan said that the economy was fine and that apart from a little too much exuberance there was nothing to worry about ?

    Sorry Mack in this case your use of the word ‘lot’ says a multitude . The number of vacant lots and razed properties in the USA is at an all time high. .

    Only in the sense of access to cheaper and better technology for many in the population can the ‘lot’ of people be said to have improved somewhat . People can now have 9,786 ‘friends’ on Facebook and they can Twitter each other around as they shop in emptying malls for the latest hi tech upgrade to whatever ?There are over 2 million in prisons , 8 million foreclosures , many states are facing huge shortfalls in tax revenues to maintain their services . Two wars are being fought costing trillions to future generations of americans . Access to decent health care and education has become more of a challenge for middle americans and for the 50 million ‘helots’ at the bottom of American society including many immigrants the short and medium and even longer term economic outlook has never looked worse .

    I write the above NOT to denigrate America but to to make the point that those in Ireland (North or South ) or the UK or elsewhere in the world who are relying or depending on the USA lifting the world out of recession are betting on very long odds. The neo con promise of the benefit of ‘small government ‘ and leave everything to the ‘market’ has been proved to have been based on false premises and assumptions of a) the nature of man
    b) the nature of economics and c) the inherent greed of bankers and corporations .

    The action which remains to be taken in the international financial sphere still remains ‘untaken’ Each major economy still believes it can extricate itself at the cost of other major economies despite the overall appearance of ‘cooperation’ . Can’t be done.

    If ‘lightweight’ Cameron becomes British PM we can expect that any push to reform the international monetary order which would do much to reduce instability and create sustainable economic development -will be much reduced . For that reason alone Gordon Brown hopefully will make it back .

    Cameron appears to be promising a re run of Ronald Reagan’s small government .

    Well we should all know now where that led . Perhaps the UK Conservative’s somehow think that British ‘human nature’ is different ? I don’t .

    We need more effective and intelligent State intervention in the economy NOT smaller or larger government and this is needed not for the aggrandisement of the State sector but to save market capitalism from itself . New order or new paradigm call it what you want but the current noises being made in Wall St and the City is that they don’t want to hear of it . Ripping off will continue after this break as per Goldman Sachs etc 🙁

  • Mack

    Greenflag –

    You appear to be conflating small government with financial deregulation. What preceeded Regan was worse than what followed.

    Btw, I don’t think you can construct an argument on the basis of not trusting the figures, at least without presenting trustworthy figures to the contrary.

  • Greenflag

    Mack ,

    Most economic historians and commentators would tend to hold the view that the USA 1945 to 1975 approx was a ‘land of opportunity ‘ and rising expectations .Admittedly for many in particular the African american minority there was less lustre on such expectations .

    As for not presenting ‘trustworthy figures’ as a counter argument I can but apologise due to time considerations .

    Reagan remember gave America it’s Saving’s & Loans economic crisis which again had the USA taxpayer bailing out the financial criminals . Deja vu has come and gone several times since .

    BTW I’m not conflating ‘small government ‘ with financial deregulation . Deregulation was executed by the USA and UK Governments with little effect on the actual ‘size’ of government .

  • Mack

    Greenflag –

    The USA was rebounding in 1945 from the Great Depression and World War II – a very low base. The economy also benefited from some new technologies that massively improved quality of life. I.e. Mass produced cars, washing machines, television etc.

    Real wages tell only part of the story by the way. By 1980 the top marginal rate of tax was over 70% –

    http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-tax-rates-see-if-you-can-guess-where-theyre-headed-next-2010-4

    In fact it ranged between 70-92% throughout the golden years you mention.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States

    While real gross wages did fall slightly after 1982 and then stagnate until recently – take home, after-tax real wages increased significantly.

    Most serious economists would agree living standards have never been higher.

  • Mack

    Greenflag –

    BTW I’m not conflating ‘small government ’ with financial deregulation . Deregulation was executed by the USA and UK Governments with little effect on the actual ‘size’ of government

    Well, financial deregulation (specifically) contributed to the Savings and loans crises and the present debacle. They are otherwise unrelated to the size of government – it is possible to have strict regulation and private business run businesses (rather than the state).

  • Mack

    Greenflag –

    Apoligies, I misread you. We are saying the same thing.

    We need more effective and intelligent State intervention in the economy NOT smaller or larger government and this is needed not for the aggrandisement of the State sector but to save market capitalism from itself

    This was confusing though…

    Cameron appears to be promising a re run of Ronald Reagan’s small government .

    Well we should all know now where that led

  • Greenflag

    Mack,

    ‘While real gross wages did fall slightly after 1982 and then stagnate until recently – take home, after-tax real wages increased significantly.’

    That may well be but as a result of tax decreases on income which resulted in poorer public schools -a run down infrastructure -highways and bridges falling apart etc . The wealth from the increased productivity of labour since the mid 1980’s has gone overwhelmingly to the top 10% of the USA’s population and in particular to the corporate financial and insurance sectors.’

    Most serious economists would agree living standards have never been higher.’

    Most serious economists ALSO thought the USA economy was in great shape up to Aug 2008 . They seem to have changed their minds since then . Some were of course beginning to have doubts earlier.

    This ‘crisis ‘ was made in America with not a little support from like minded ideologues in the UK and in particular the City of London. The legacy of the Grantham Grocer is still extant among some Conservatives even if that of her mentor Milton Friedman has taken a nose dive in the USA .

    Every election in the UK comes up against the old boogeyman – how much state involvement in the economy -should there be and is state involvement a help or a hindrance . They all prate about wasteful public expenditure and they all have a point . But no sooner are they elected to power than they bow to the inevitable i.e that state intervention is inevitable and the ‘market’ cannot be allowed to do what it wants or desires regardless of the social and economic consequences .

    Margaret Thatcher was the first British PM to break the mould at least in her first term when she did try and manage to reduce public sector expenditure but at the cost of 3 million plus unemployed .

    Cameron is on record as favouring ‘small ‘ government . What he means explicitly by this nobody yet quite knows nor will they until after the election if Cameron is elected PM. Ronald Reagan’s ‘small ‘ government led to massive deregulation which in turn laid the groundwork for the present USA originated world economic crisis .

    ‘it is possible to have strict regulation and private business run businesses (rather than the state).’

    That’s true but in the corporate financial world of sophisticated financial tools of destruction regulations were ignored not just by the banks and finance houses but even by those who were supposed to regulate . In some cases I believe the ‘banks’ appointed their own regulators ;( How’s that for transparency ?

    And that’s what they(the banks ) still want .?