“This was explained to the Tribunal in Public Interest Immunity Certificates signed by Ministers”

The Northern Ireland Secretary of State, Shaun Woodward, has made a Written Ministerial Statement to Parliament setting out the process which will lead to the publication of the report by the “pointless” Saville Inquiry. Which may be before, or after, the General Election… From the Written Ministerial Statement.

I want to publish the report in its entirety. Should any concerns about the safety of any individual arise, my first course of action would be to consider whether these can be addressed through alternative means. Were I to reach the conclusion, on advice, that a redaction to the text might be necessary, I would consult Lord Saville. In the very unlikely event that any redaction were deemed necessary, my intention would be to make this clear on the face of the report.

Once the checking process is complete, a publication date can be set and the report can be printed. The report will be published for this House, in response to an Order for a Return which I will invite the House to make. It is, of course, possible that a General Election might be called in the meantime. Lord Saville has informed me that if it becomes clear that it will not be possible for the report to be published in advance of the dissolution of Parliament, the Tribunal will agree to retain custody of the report until after the General Election.

Adds As Liam Clarke has pointed out, some have few grounds to complain about concerns of “putting the lives or safety of individuals at risk”.

As for imposing codes of silence, we only have to look at McGuinness’s refusal to answer crucial questions put to him at the Bloody Sunday inquiry, citing “a republican code of honour”. “There have been many occasions in the past when people who betrayed republicanism went over to the British and were executed by the IRA,” he explained under cross-examination.

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  • joeCanuck

    In the very unlikely event that any redaction were deemed necessary

    I’m willing to take bets, even odds, to a maximum of 50 pounds, winnings to the tip jar, that there will be at least one redaction.

  • joeCanuck

    I’m wondering if the Civil Servant who came up with the name Public Interest Immunity Certificate as a euphemism for Government cover-up get an employee of the month award.

  • andnowwhat

    I couldn’t get the issue of releasing the report so close to an election. What has that got to do with anything and how does it justify keeping the Bloody Sunday relatives waiting?

  • joeCanuck

    Nothing, doesn’t.

  • Spend 280 million on a report and then proceed to undermine it’s actual worth by firstly censoring bits of it and then delaying it until after an election.

    Absolutely pish-poor. The Republican dissers must be absolutely delighted. Perhaps the families should redact their support and call for a proper international enquiry.

    Woodward might now get to have his name go down in history with Widgery.

  • The SDLP and SF should organise a march in Derry for the report to be left uncensored and released immediately.

  • Preas Ráiteas ó RNU/RNU Press Release

    RNU SLAMS MI5’s UNDERHAND ROLE IN SAVILLE

    REPUBLICAN NETWORK for UNITY (RNU) Cathaoirleach/Chairperson, DANNY MCBREARTY, commenting on MI5’s devious role in the publication of the Saville Report said;

    “RNU are angered but not surprised that Bloody Sunday Victims and their families are still being deprived of justice. The delay in publicising the Saville Report has damaging implications as it affords British lawyers and MI5 the opportunity to scrutinize and change the content of the report.

    Irish citizens require the British Government and her Armed Forces acknowledge that those murdered and injured on Bloody Sunday were indeed innocent. The families need to have some sort of closure to the terrible tragedy that happened on January 31, 1972.

    The sinister insistence by British Minister, Shaun Woodward that MI5 be permitted a significant role in the publication of the Bloody Sunday Report, before victims families, yet again demonstrates that the British Secret Service and not the Stormont Assembly direct the Six Counties”.

    RNU calls on this report to be released to the families immediately.

    STATEMENT ENDS

  • joeCanuck

    If that is an attempt at black humour, Sammy what, it is in extremely poor taste. Indeed, it is shameful.

  • andnowwhat

    Does the goverment thyink that if the report says the Paras did/didn’y murdere people it will affect anyone’s voting?

    I haven’t checked their websites lately but I’m pretty sure that none of the ministers in charge at the time are still in goverment FFS.

  • “Lord Saville has informed me that if it becomes clear that it will not be possible for the report to be published in advance of the dissolution of Parliament, the Tribunal will agree to retain custody of the report until after the General Election.”

    Lord Saville is one useless, tardy, uxbridge, fecker and somebody should apply a metaphorical boot to his considerable posterior that he has been resting on for the last 12 or so years.

  • joeCanuck,

    what exactly are you on about you transatlantic tuzzer?

  • Ardoyne Republican

    spot on.

  • joeCanuck

    Glad you recognized your former name.
    You suggest people organize a march in Derry about a previous march were 14 people were murdered and 29 seriously injured. You’re sick.

  • andnowwhat

    Do they understand or care how important this report is to very many people here MU?

    I was listening to the R4 documentary on the misinformation fed to the press by army intelligence (although there was a wee bit about how republicans and loyalists did it too) and I really cannot get over their attitude to NI at the time.

    Maybe not that much has changed?

  • joeCanuck,

    “You’re sick”

    Not sure what you are on about their Joe, street demonstration is the conventional means to indicate to the powers that be that they have got something badly wrong – that was precisely why the original demonstration was held.

    What greater tribute to the dead and injured than to demonstrate against a further attempt to interfere with and or delay the truth.

    Play the ball.

  • Pete Baker

    Joe

    Sammy’s not sick.

    He’s just an idiot.

    Btw, I’ve updated the original post

    Adds As Liam Clarke has pointed out, some have few grounds to complain about concerns of “putting the lives or safety of individuals at risk”.

    As for imposing codes of silence, we only have to look at McGuinness’s refusal to answer crucial questions put to him at the Bloody Sunday inquiry, citing “a republican code of honour”. “There have been many occasions in the past when people who betrayed republicanism went over to the British and were executed by the IRA,” he explained under cross-examination.

  • joeCanuck

    executed

    I know it’s not your word, Pete, but it really sticks in my throat when used by mealy mouthed individuals. Even the MSM sometimes say killed rather than murdered. I’ve complained to all of them with no apparent effect.

  • Pete Baker

    “I know it’s not your word, Pete”

    Indeed, Joe.

    It’s a quote from the Northern Ireland deputy First Minister…

  • Surely it is well within the powers of the NI Assembly and Executive to “request/demand” immediate release and publication of the report. Anything less renders them as cuckolds and a sham leading authority for a new and revitalised Northern Ireland with a political agenda which does not support cover ups and dodgy dealings.

    If the people want the report now, then are they not fully entitled to it, no matter what some puppet in a Westminster office might say to the contrary?

    Do you have mice or men in Stormont?

  • Pete,

    “He’s just an idiot.”

    Disappointing but not suprising, if you have an arguement you should put it rather than resort to personal abuse.

    JoeC,

    are you going to hide behind Pete’s man playing or explain your personal attack?

  • joeCanuck

    Sammy,

    Question asked – #11
    Question answered – #13

    Your honour, if you insist I will rephrase my comment. The remark made by this very fine gentleman was sick.

  • The report, when released, will grab headlines for days, possibly weeks.

    Now you guys know what a bunch of prima donnas politicians are, they are not going to don their hair coats until after the GE. At which time there will be humble apologies all round.

    And to tell you the truth I wouldnt believe the apologies now, and I wont believe them anytime in the next decade.

  • JoeC,

    If the report is delayed until after the general election I will be very suprised if there is no public protest by the families – will that also be ‘sick’?

    Or only if the march from point A to point B as part of the protest?

    Pete,
    are you going to retract/redact your shocking man-playing remark? Although our mutual friend Mr What Done it may not have been surprised at you ignoring the house rules given your response to him for drawing public attention to your frequent attempts at deflection from crucial issues – I’m sure like me he would, nevertheless, be very disappointed that you haven’t moved on.

  • joeCanuck

    Mock sense of offence by an impostor troll impresses no-one.
    My support for the families in their quest for justice is well documented on SOT.

  • I am not convinced the publication of this, long overdue report will bring the families the justice they seek and richly deserve.

    Bliar did not authorise the inquiry to help anyone. He did because it was expedient and silenced the families for a while.

    I doubt the release of the report will happen this side of the UK GE for the same reason.

  • Mayoman

    Joe, if you are aiming the word ‘sick’ at anyone, maybe it should be persons trying to undermine the murder of 14 innocent civilians by highlighting the statements of a single tribunal witness.

  • JoeCanuck,
    Lets hope the government publishes the report before the general election and the silliness of your ‘sick’ remarks does not become apparent.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your old mindset:
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not entirely accurate though it should be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • Dixie Elliott

    …You suggest people organize a march in Derry about a previous march were 14 people were murdered and 29 seriously injured. You’re sick.

    Posted by joeCanuck

    Er, joe where have you been all these years? Sure thousands have marched every year since January 1972,the most recent being this January past.

    These people are sick alright sick had how long it’s taken and what will likely happen to the report when MI5 gets to it.

  • joeCanuck

    Dixie,
    I have no problem whatsoever with what you say. I detected a “smirk” in the troll’s remark but maybe I’m wrong.
    I agree with you and Mayoman that those that have covered up, lied, and will likely lie again, delayed etc are somehow “sick”.

  • I think the meaning of a march varies according to the reason for a march.

    The report however it is published will undoubtedly contain many halve truths and dare I say, downright lies.

    I cannot see it bringing comfort or closure, but I really hope it does.

  • andnowwhat

    Just thinking, has thr term “publish and be damned” ever been more apt?

  • joeCanuck

    No problem wasting bandwidth, Sammy? Why don’t you just cease the stuff and nonsense and go back to your previous pseudonym before you get a stiff warning from the payers for the bandwidth.

  • lamhdearg

    MU
    under Fifa’s grandparent rule you dont pretend to play for your grandparents team, personaly i dont care if you call yourself “billywasWright”, you are what your post’s say not what what your Pesudonym is,And your posts cause me little offence and i am no irish nationlist.

  • lamhdearg,

    “your posts cause me little offence and i am no irish nationlist. ”

    You are a decent human being.

    …and I take your fair point about the FIFA regs – but as it is just an arguement of convienence I’m going to stick with it.

    JoeC,

    ” I detected a “smirk” in the troll’s remark but maybe I’m wrong.”

    I would of course graciously accept your apology but in the absence of same I will make do with your withdrawal above. Remember, if you play the ball not the man you will make life easier for yourself.

    …and of course Pete B. does set such a poor example.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • joeCanuck

    Sammy,
    If you say I am wrong, I’ll take anyone at their word until my trust is broken, so I have no problem in offering an apology.

  • JoeyC,

    full diplomatic relations are restored and I look forward to a frank exchange of views on all matters political and agricultural.

    PeteB,

    after such a fine example has been set can we look forward to you following suit?

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)