“My understanding at the time was that they wanted him out of circulation”

Via Newshound, in the Sunday Times Ed Moloney added more detail to Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams’ less than transparent accounting of his brother Liam’s movements. This time pre-1987. From the transcribed article.

In the tangled and disconcerting story of Liam Adams, one feature provides an uncomfortable parallel between his alleged paedophilia and the scandal of Catholic clerical abuse, as highlighted in last November’s Murphy report. That was the practice of moving alleged abusers around Ireland to avoid the demands for action once their activities became known.

Liam Adams made at least six moves within and outside Ireland from the time that he ceased allegedly abusing his daughter Áine until the scandal broke. It is these moves, with Gerry Adams’s perceived reluctance to take decisive action against his brother, that led some to conclude that there had been a cover-up.

The New York episode, which has not come to light until now, shows powerful figures in the Provisional movement wanted Liam out of Ireland after his marriage collapsed. So in 1984 arrangements were made for him to be smuggled to America, given a false identity, and looked after until it was safe for him to return. He stayed in New York for eight months, presumably until the reason for his exile ceased to be a problem.

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  • IRIA

    Very interesting.

  • Rory Carr

    What’s up? This item has been up for thirty whole minutes now and no hysterical response from the usual band of those who feel the need to distance themselves from any any taint that they might be soft on child abuse lest they themselves fall under suspicion.

    It’s enough to shake one’s faith in the dedication and perserverance of lynch mobs entirely. Clearly they don’t have the stamina of the oldtimers of Jonesboro or Owl Creek.

  • joeCanuck

    Be patient, Rory. They’ll be along soon, likely.

  • old school

    Poor Rory, the eternal victim.
    Those who spoke out against clerical abuse were lynch mobs too, I bet?

  • Well Ive arrived! I read it first on NusHound and found it interesting.

    You know I would not be a bit surprised that GA asked the Catholic church for advice. Shunting paedophiles onto unsuspecting communities was after all a tried and tested method of theirs.

    I wonder if anyone noticed the bishop of Wexford has asked parishioners to cough to pay the compensation for the abused.

    It only needs for PIRA to turn to their supporters for financial support for their paedophiles defence and they will have squared the circle.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    I suspect any political party would have done the same.
    The Overclass find it disconcerting that no SF-IRA votes will be lost as a result.

  • John O’Connell

    Very interesting aticle.

  • John O’Connell

    Ahem, article.

  • IRIA

    Liam sure didn’t like Gerry, nor others that were close to him. Considering what is alleged about him and the fact he was considered a “weak link” (wasn’t he kneecapped at one point?). I’m surprised he was given such the royal treatment by other high ranking republicans at the time and not the Doherty treatment. Guess it pays to be royalty.

    Additionally, with all the animosity Liam had for Gerry (likewise) and the fact he was forced to remain in his marriage, I wonder who was passing Gerry’s whereabouts to the FRU-leading to an assassination attempt-as Ingram has alleged? Hmmm…

  • joeCanuck

    Where would we be without the conspiracy theorists?

  • Conspiracy theories are easier to believe for those who can´t face facts

  • IRIA

    Where’s the conspiracy?

  • Everywhere, IRIA. Can´t you see the hand of MI5 at work on this thread?

  • Paul

    #

    Where would we be without the conspiracy theorists?
    Posted by joeCanuck on Mar 02, 2010 @ 05:41 PM

    Are you one of the Gerry Adams and the sinners spin doctors joe lol.???

  • Why should there be a conspiracy theory, this plot gets worse by the day with no ‘help’ at all.

  • Pippakin: Nothing bad happens to Sinn Fein without MI5 being behind it. Ever. Handy excuse or what?

  • joeCanuck

    Paul,
    You have a poor memory. We have been there before. I believe I even got an apology of sorts from you.

  • B O O

    Sorry, for a minute there I forgot, the victims are not children and young girls. Oh no the victims are those poor helpless activists in PIRA and S/F. Oops!
    Silly of me.

  • joeCanuck

    pippakin, don’t you do sarcasm?

  • joeCanuck

    depends on the subject joe. There are some subjects I consider too important to risk the possibility of misunderstanding.

    Read the last sentence of comment 18# thats as sarcastic as I want to get on this subject.

  • joeCanuck

    pippakin, Have a look at BOO’s site if you’re unsure as to where his sympathies lie. It’s quite funny, at least as good as the old Portadown News. I don’t have a link; maybe BOO will oblige.

  • Alias

    “I wonder who was passing Gerry’s whereabouts to the FRU-leading to an assassination attempt-as Ingram has alleged? Hmmm…”

    Hardly, since Gerry Adams was leaving a Belfast court at the time, having been charged with obstructing justice so it would have been in the news even if the state already knew where Mr Adams was.

    At any rate, it isn’t why the UDA targetted Gerry Adams that you need to be concerned about but why Mr Adams was only one of two people out of “730 reports concerning threats to 217 separate individuals” whose lives were saved by the FRU via its agent Brian Nelson.

    “I could only find maybe two cases where the information given by Nelson may have been helpful to the Security Forces in preventing attacks.” – Detective Sergeant Nicholas Benwell of the Stevens Enquiry

    Since the role of Nelson within the UDA was in identifying that organisation’s victims, he was also able to inform his handlers that the UDA was planning to kill Mr Adams, and the FRU was then able to reduce the powder in the bullets so that they would not be lethal. That way the UDA would be none the wiser that Nelson had compromised their plan, and the state would be able to protect Mr Adams from the planned attack.

    It was nice, I suppose, of the state to protect Mr Adams even if it did nothing about the other “217 separate individuals.” Protected species and all that…

  • joeCanuck

    That European Warrant needs to be served. It was sent to Home Affairs over 2 weeks ago and, AFAIK, it then normally takes only 5 days to be processed. Somebody needs to ask a question at Westminster.

  • IRIA

    The Devil You Know…

  • Hi Pippakin, I got your point – and scarily accurate it was too. Loyalist thugs also use a similar approach.
    Thanks Joe, you are much too kind. Since you mentioned it, there now follows a shameless plug:
    http://bavarian-orange.blogspot.com/
    All the best
    Wilhelm Luther.

  • joeCanuck

    I am already a fan of B O O and eagerly awaiting an invitation to the ‘day of charity events’ his stormtroopers are organising!

    I strongly recommend you read the comments section. On slugger he is someone I feel in ‘tune’ with. Do you know he even left a comment on my blog? So few do. I am forever in his debt!

    B O O

    If you are reading this, thanks for reading my blog and let me know how you got on with the book!

  • That damn warrant is taking far too long. It should be noted by those I seriously suspect keep a watch on these things that it will not be allowed to simply: go away.

  • Pippakin – for the charity day, we will have to wait until there is a really big disaster – the type that will bring Bono into the TV studios because these are the ones where you can really make some money.. er… I mean raise some money.. I´ll keep you posted.

  • B O O

    Naturally I would not wish a disaster on anyone even to get Bono!

    Blessings Wolfgang

  • I wonder if we will see any movement on this before the Westminster elections? Somehow I doubt it.

  • B O O

    So do I but after the election, whoever gets in has four years (minimum) and so whoever thought they were of vital and continuing importance will soon learn their mistake.

  • My initial reaction on your last post pippakin was “here´s hoping”. But in reality the current lot will eventually just be replaced by a new batch of Green/Orange self-seekers. A horrible thought.

  • Marlaghman

    Where is Liam Adams?
    Have the PSNI got him or PIRA?
    Its taken a long time to get him across the boarder

  • scarecrow

    At last we now know where he was when he ‘left Ireland’. It fills in the blanks and thats something new at least.

  • iluvni

    Has he left Ireland again?

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Seems like someone in the republican irish community was following the story line of “the Godfather” when Michael after killing the man who shot his father was sent to Sicily to hide out amoung mafia friends until it was safe for him to come home. The only difference…at least michael defended his father……but liam reportedly sexually abused his daughter. This time…reality is more perverse than fiction.

  • Kathy C

    Every time dear, every time. A sane mind only goes so far. This comes under the heading: You Could Not Make It Up!!!

  • Rory Carr

    Well done Kathy C. At last you have found a fan on here. Unfortuntaely it’s Pippakin who sooner or later agrees with everybody whatever view they hold. Never mind, it’s a start.

  • Paddy

    If Liam Adams was smuggled into America and thereby vanished from the Irish scene, surely MI5, the FRU and all that lot knew about it.

    Numbskulls here like to attack the Catholic Church. But this is the same church that played ball with the Brits since Maynooth was opened. The Pervies on the other hand were supposed to be the untamed Irish.
    But the Brits obviously had some of them in the pockets and on their Saxon shilling payroll. Maybe the same ones who draw average industrail wages from Westminster. Arise, Sir Gerry.

  • Framer

    Maybe Dolours Price accompanied him away from Belfast as was her wont.

  • Framer

    Naa, her ‘dates’ never came back….

    Paddy

    Worry not if the Brits were involved and LA pleads not guilty it will come out at the trial. If he pleads guilty, which may well suit GA better, there will have to be an investigation into the Brit authorities responsible for child protection.

    I thought I heard on the news tonight that the elusive European Arrest Warrant, had finally turned up, or with any luck served. Anyone else hear that? or did I dream it.

  • Framer

    Naa, her ‘dates’ never came back….

    Paddy

    Worry not if the Brits were involved and LA pleads not guilty it will come out at the trial. If he pleads guilty, which may well suit GA better, there will have to be an investigation into the Brit authorities responsible for child protection.

    I thought I heard on the news tonight that the elusive European Arrest Warrant, had finally turned up, or with any luck served. Anyone else hear that? or did I dream it.

  • Paul

    just copied and pasted this from the utv website.see below

    Liams Adams, brother of Gerry Adams
    Warrant issued for Adams’ arrest

    A European Arrest Warrant has been issued for Liam Adams, the brother of Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams.
    Wednesday, 03 March 2010

    Adams is wanted in connection with an allegation of the sexual abuse of his daughter, Aine.

    The PSNI is seeking his extradition and it is understood the warrant was endorsed by the High Court in Dublin on Wednesday.

    The Gardai are now looking for Liam Adams and will arrest him when they locate him. He will then be brought before the High Court.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    now with the arrest warrant issued and the Irish authorities having the power to arrest Liam Adams…let’s see now if he walks into the Irish police station to give himself up or balks now that they have the legal authority to actually arrest him.

  • Paddy

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8549939.stm

    The BBC is reporting that the brother of Gerry Adams and a former leading member of Sinn Fein (if not the nutting squad) has handed himself in to gardai. Looks like the Pervies want to wash their hands of one of the Adams family.

  • Paddy

    “The warrant, issued by the Serious Organised Crime Agency, was endorsed by the High Court in Dublin on Wednesday.”

    Is this referring to Sinn Fein or the Irish Adams gang. We would not want to libel the English Adams gang as they are only “ordinary decent criminals”.

  • Just saw your snide comment on 13# Rory. I agree with everyone? are you sure? I recall disagreeing with you. If you name me you might as well get it right.

    Liam Adams has indeed surrendered himself to the Gardai in Dublin. It is the start of the process, now we wait to see what happens…

  • Paddy

    Must you drag nationality into everything? This is about child abuse. It is far more serious than a disputed border.