Official: Adams ‘more popular than Jesus’

How the Catholic Church must look on with envy: the student has surpassed the master. Aine Tyrell’s first interview since Insight is a huge story – and many, many journalists were attempting to land it, as it would have been quite a coup. Normally a story that big, once broken in the Sundays, would be all over the Monday news, repeated in every outlet. So, what happened? The Bishop of West Belfast holds the most powerful office on the island of Ireland, even more powerful than the Catholic Church itself.

  • Cynic2

    Bishop does seem a very appropriate analogy

    But I see he has summoned the two PMs to Belfast to pay homage

  • Ulick

    “So, what happened?”

    There was nothing new.

  • Paddy

    It is easy to make snide reamrks about West Belfast’s Teflon Don. He grew up in a dysfunctional pedophile infested home, he was interned and jailed, sent on top IRA delegations but was never in the IRA, he is surrounded by ex IRA killers who double as rape counsellors.

    The problem is: his heavies do not have a sense of humour. They have proved nothing is beyond them. Adams is the heart of darkness, the charismatic anti Christ.

    Of course, MI5 put him, McGuinness, Cahill and the other flawed characters in charge.What, of all they have touched, is not totally discredited?

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “There was nothing new. ”

    True. We’ve learned nothing about these people we didn’t already know.

  • Not even the Guardian!

  • OscarTheGrouch

    I learned loads of stuff I didn’t know. I thought GA was basically was your typical 60’s throwback pseudo-Marxist, with tears in his eyes over the ‘Four Green Fields’ who believes its worth other people dying for his politics. So as you can guess – not a fan.

    Sorry, I’m just a member of the pubic and have no insight into the workings of the IRA/MI5 etc etc, that many of our posters seem to have, however, I didn’t realise that the remit of his revolution extended to child abuse and rape.

    So, yes, this story has been deeply disturbing and very significant in how I view this man and his party.

    Robinsons level of hypocracy I was more aware of, and his standing when aligned with a religous nut-casery that would have me burned at the stake, hasn’t been lowered as much by Irisgate et al.

    So if you folks all knew about this – then fine, it was pretty much all news to me.

  • tacapall

    Pretty much news to me as well but nothing in this country happens for nothing, no interest from the British tabloids etc so in Gerry’s case its coup de grâce for Power Sharing, hello Voluntary Coalation, with a little bit of media persuasion if need be, nothing like a good scandal to move your position.

  • scarecrow

    Normally a story that big, once broken in the Sundays, would be all over the Monday news

    Rusty needs to keep apace with the news. Adams gave an excellent account of himself this morning for a good quarter of an hour.

  • “Did you want me to harm him?” was a question that Gerry Adams put to Stephen Nolan today but Nolan bottled out on an exploration of how the Provisional Republican Movement treated alleged sex offenders in the communities it controlled, never mind the harm the PRM inflicted in other ways.

  • John O’Connell

    Adams ‘more popular than Jesus’

    It does seem that the Antichrist is getting more sympathy than he’s due, but that is because he is trying to throw himself into relevance at the talks. When all calms down, Adams is going as Sinn Fein leader. There is no doubt about that.

    The Hunger strikers, the sexual abuse handling, and the revelations of the Dark Hughes will send him out of our politics in complete disgrace.

    He can be the hard man then all he wants as he gives us the benefit of his experiences with his father but it will fool nobody.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “The same sense of wonder could be applied as to how the spectacular inaction of Social Services and RUC/PSNI”

    Given that Adams instructed victims not to approach either agency I don’t see any wonder at all. Nevertheless I understand concerned neighbours did stage a demonstration outside Cllr Meehan’s residence which resulted in Social Services intervening when they became aware (although remarkably Adams never heard about it).

  • scarecrow

    It’s not yet on the iplayer, but available when updated Adams speaks on the row between him and his neice for a good length of time. It is also here

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8478237.stm

    He is also involved in crisis discussions, there are bigger stories out there.

  • scarecrow

    Given that Adams instructed victims not to approach either agency

    I spot a straw man…when the agencies involved did a police check to clear liam adams as an employee those agencies passed him. The Adams and meehan cases are different, in thta the lady involved in the meehan case refutes that she told adams of her situation. She said she did not take it to the leadership. Social services were aware of both cases.

  • scarecrow

    And for the record he is popular. Is there something wrong with that?

  • Scaramoosh

    Too Big To Fail?

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “The Adams and meehan cases are different, in thta the lady involved in the meehan case refutes that she told adams of her situation.”

    I am aware of that. I assume that was the straw man you referred to unless you are suggesting that Adams was genuinely unaware of this situation, as he claims.

    As for Liam, Aine states that she made Clonard aware and they refused to act. The police check issue would be another straw man. No wonder you smell them so strongly.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “A cursory glance at any interview reveals this”

    Whereas a more careful reading will reveal that she subsequently decided not to proceed. She did complain to the ombudsman about the slow response to her second complaint, which resulted in two officers being disciplined. No doubt there may have been other failings but I’m struggling to see how any of this exonerates the provos.

  • tacapall

    Aine Tyrell has stated she reported the allegations to the RUC and Social Services in 1987 and then the PSNI in 2006. A cursory glance at any interview reveals this.
    Posted by Dec1 on Jan 25, 2010 @ 04:36 PM

    Very True Dec1, Other people involved in this cover up need to be highlighted and asked to account for themselves but …

    “I’d heard Liam was working in youth projects in west Belfast but not which ones. I repeatedly raised this with Gerry. I said I was concerned that Liam was seeking jobs working with children. Gerry told me that was Liam’s way of trying to make up to the community for what he’d done to me.”

    Does this sound like an intelligent response from someone who believed his niece.

  • John O’Connell

    The relevance of quotes about Clonard and the Catholic Church could not and should not be underestimated on this thread.

    Gerry Adams fulfilled another prophecy during the run-up to the 2007 Assembly election campaign in the North of Ireland. This involved him requesting the use of Clonard Monastery (Roman Catholic) church in West Belfast for a political meeting discussing his party’s policy. He still believed that armed struggle was a legitimate means of resolving differences.

    When Gerry Adams took to the altar of Clonard monastery while his beliefs were in conflict with Christ’s teaching, he was proclaiming himself to be wiser than God and better than Jesus Christ. He was in logic proclaiming himself to be God.

    “[The man of lawlessness or the Antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” (2 Thes 2:3-4)

    I would say that some people in West Belfast actually think he is God and that God does as God does (and gets away with it).

  • scarecrow

    Jimmy you are simultaneously discussing and confusing two distinct cases moving between them and treating all the abuse allegations as an adams issue which they are not.

    Cllr Meehan’s residence which resulted in Social Services intervening when they became aware (although remarkably Adams never heard about it).

    Remarkably jimmy thats north Belfast and I thought we were discussing the ‘bishop of west Belfast’, maybe like God he knew everything, and so the title of the thread could be ‘Bishop of West Belfast knows all that went on in north belfast and all republican areas through his direct line to heaven’.

  • Paddy

    The top Republican families in Belfast are implicated in a number of child sex abuses. What does that tell you about those families and about the cause they served?

  • Jimmy_Sands

    Scarecrow,

    I’m not confusing them at all. These are not isolated incidents.

    But let me be sure I understand you correctly. 100 residents have the brass neck to picket a the home of an IRA commander and Adams in the intervening 30 years does not hear about it because it happened in a different post code? You are indeed a loyal soldier.

  • scarecrow

    The top Republican families in Belfast are implicated in a number of child sex abuses. What does that tell you about those families and about the cause they served?

    It tells you Paddy that child sex abuse was rife then and most possibly rife right up to today. In fact Ireland as a nation has one of the highest rates of child abuse (sexual) in Western Europe.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “I’m sure that RUC attempts to recruit her as an informer”

    You really are clinging to that one aren’t you? Her mother IIRC was asked about movements in and out of the house. Even if the question related to other crimes I see no problem. If she feels there was anything inappropriate she can take it to the Ombudsman as she did with her later complaint.

  • scarecrow

    100 residents have the brass neck to picket a the home of an IRA commander and Adams in the intervening 30 years does not hear about it because it happened in a different post code?

    It certainly is a different post code to me also and I didn’t hear about it until lately when these stories broke. What happens in these unfortunate families is not usually seen as political.

  • John O’Connell

    In fact Ireland as a nation has one of the highest rates of child abuse (sexual) in Western Europe.

    That makes it alright, does it? Only hardened paedophiles abuse children and cold, calculating republicans seem to have a penchant for it.

  • joeCanuck

    In fact Ireland as a nation has one of the highest rates of child abuse (sexual) in Western Europe.

    Do you have a source for that?

  • scarecrow

    You are indeed a loyal soldier.

    aye jimmy I’m not prepared to judge someone as guilty due to a media scrum by those with an axe to grind.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “I didn’t hear about it”

    Were you on the Army Council too?

  • scarecrow

    Joe c I heard it mentioned earlier on a radio programme, I think it was talkback but can’t be sure and don’t have time to listen again, but will try to find it for you.

    Jimmy – your one liners can be funny, but sometimes, only sometimes, stoopid.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “I’m not prepared to judge someone as guilty due to a media scrum by those with an axe to grind.”

    Nor should you. My argument is based entirely on matters which do not appear to be in dispute, notably the policy that child rape should not be reported to the statutory authorities. This is the one the apologists never want to deal with. They’d rather bitch about Suzanne Breen

  • Paddy

    Children were wsupposed to present themselves to the masked thurgs of PIRA, who would discern, by looking at them, whether they were raped or “just violated”.

    The West Belfast IRA, though highly versed in killing enemies of the Crown, had a soft side. They were good at sizing up women to see if they had been raped by their comrades or not.

    You couldn’t make this SFIRA s–t up.

  • John O’Connell

    Is Adams really more popular than Jesus Christ? It would be an interesting phenomenon. He certainly has the coincidences. The first coincidence is that his name comes out at 666.

    Due to another pertinent coincidence his name contains “Adam”, the name of the first man, and from a theological point of view, this adds much to the basis of him being the Antichrist. Adam coincidentally means ‘man’ in Hebrew, and the number of the beast is specifically described as “man’s number” (Rev 13:18).

    These are extraordinary coincidences and not to dismissed by any means by any intelligent observer of matters theological.

    The descriptions of the beasts in the Book of Revelation are interesting.

    ‘The inhabitants worshipped the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed,’ (Rev 13:12). Coincidentally, Gerry Adams was shot and wounded in 1984, but recovered. Afterwards, he became Sinn Fein president and one of the foremost politicians in Northern Ireland. The use of violence for him is a matter of tactics. That is a matter of fact and record. Gerry Adams has not stepped away from violence. He believes in his own words that “there is a time for peace and a time for war”, mocking the Prince of Peace and equating Christ with the Antichrist, good with evil.

    The first beast, who is said to be the Antichrist, is prophesied to have “seven heads” (Rev 13:1), which is coincidentally the number of heads on the IRA army council, including Gerry Adams’ allegedly.

    “Who can make war against him?” (Rev 13:7). The IRA has been described as ‘the most sophisticated terrorist organisation in the history of mankind’. Their structure makes it impossible for a conventional army to defeat them

  • scarecrow

    SB is a terrific lady. I did not refer to SB, you assumed it.

    notably the policy that child rape should not be reported to the statutory authorities.

    Back in the day many chose not to report to the statutory authorities a lot of things that ought to have been reported. It was part of the times. The problem with your view is that you have zoomed in on the statutory authorities when clearly Aine did go, she was taken or there’d be no dispute to the effect that all the police were interested in was getting information and using their case to get the information.

    Secondly you have not stated clearly, would you have prefered street justice? Is that your beef that street justice wasn’t carried out?

    Apologists? For Sinn Fein? For Adams? I like Adams, he’s always been civil to me. I’m simply not prepared to judge people via trail by media.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “You couldn’t make this SFIRA s—t up. ”

    Actually that seems to be the main qualification for membership.

  • scarecrow

    Actually that seems to be the main qualification for membership.

    Of?

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “Back in the day many chose not to report to the statutory authorities”

    The key word there is “chose” of course. Of course Aine did go to the police and lived to tell the tale. Whether she would have done so had the complaint not been withdrawn is something we will never know. Another alleged victim of a provo was told in terms by the PPS that they were reluctant to pursue her case unless she agreed to leave NI. You will at least concede that those who reported members of the organisation to the police frequently paid for it with their lives.

    And no, I do not favour street justice and I have no idea what I could possibly have said to give you that impression.

  • Scaramoosh

    “Who can make war against him?” (Rev 13:7). The IRA has been described as ‘the most sophisticated terrorist organisation in the history of mankind’. Their structure makes it impossible for a conventional army to defeat them.”

    You have got to laugh 🙂

  • joeCanuck

    Scarecrow,
    Thanks for that. Don’t bother to find out the details. Just wondered if you had read a definitive report. The person on the radio may also have just repeated something they heard.

  • tacapall

    Sex abuse against children in Ireland is like, cabbage and ribs, they just seem to go together. Maybe some of us are still cavemen heven’t evolved yet, Maybe its in the genes, whatever, but a “group of people” need to answer questions and that includes The Police, Social Services, Gerry Adams and of course his minions who blindly followed orders even though they must have known it was wrong and indefensible. Gerry Adams didn’t break any laws, The Police and Social Services did, they must be scrutinised also, but then people on here, dont want the truth.

  • tacapall

    “Who can make war against him?” (Rev 13:7). The IRA has been described as ‘the most sophisticated terrorist organisation in the history of mankind’. Their structure makes it impossible for a conventional army to defeat them.”

    You have got to laugh 🙂
    Posted by Scaramoosh on Jan 25, 2010 @ 05:36 PM

    FK me have you only woke up yesterday, they were infiltrated from top to bottom by British Intelligence, the good guys lost the war. Why are we having problems today if we won.

  • Alias

    The more interesting question is why the Shinners/PIRA had a policy of not acting to remove known or suspected sex offenders but rather operated a policy of protecting sex offenders who were members of the movement when such practices left those members highly vulnerable to being compromised by the security services and thereby endangered the movement?

    Was it because the “most sophisticated terrorist organisation in the world” was run by a bunch of morons or run by the most sophisticated counter-terrorist organisation in the world?

  • Dec

    You really are clinging to that one aren’t you

    First time I mentioned it. It’s pretty relevant though

    Her mother IIRC was asked about movements in and out of the house.

    Actually her mother claimed the police were more interested in using her to obtain information than investigating the abuse claims. I’ll take her version over yours.

    If she feels there was anything inappropriate she can take it to the Ombudsman as she did with her later complaint.

    Two victim interviews, two complaints. Good to see policing working for the people.

    Of course Aine did go to the police and lived to tell the tale.

    Funny, an hour ago you were claiming she didn’t.

    You will at least concede that those who reported members of the organisation to the police frequently paid for it with their lives.

    The matter in hand not withstanding.

  • Scaramoosh

    In the interests of balance; would somebody please blog this;

    “Pervert fruit farmer Brian Hutchinson, 42, was voted in as DUP party treasurer in Armagh even though he assaulted a 15-year-old girl for more than a year.”

  • Dec

    “Pervert fruit farmer Brian Hutchinson, 42, was voted in as DUP party treasurer in Armagh even though he assaulted a 15-year-old girl for more than a year.”

    Lets see Adams try to talk his way out of this one.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “Pervert fruit”

    I’ve heard of passionfruit. This must be a local delicacy.

  • Scaramoosh, I posted the link to the Hutchinson story alongside the Sunday Times and Sunday Tribune SF stories yesterday.

  • John O’Connell

    FK me have you only woke up yesterday, they were infiltrated from top to bottom by British Intelligence, the good guys lost the war.

    It was in fact Peter Robinson who in 1994 described the IRA as “the most sophisticated terrorist organisation in history”.

    Memories of the Provos in action still put the fear of God into the British and unionists. They were extremely effective in creating fear but were highly unlikely to bring anything but division and strife to Ireland. They would certainly have never produced a united Ireland, and violence never will unite this country.

    The sooner republicanism realises that it is now redundant the better for the prospects of a united Ireland.

    But you keep crossing them over, Rusty, and I’ll keep nodding them in.

  • scarecrow

    You will at least concede that those who reported members of the organisation to the police frequently paid for it with their lives.

    Jimmy bringing the cops into nationalist areas was frowned upon as you well know incase it compromised IRA activity, but every rule has its exceptiions. I know of no case where a victim of child sex abuse had a family pay for it with their lives due to going to the authorities, do you? We can suppose, and we can suppose but at the end of the day it is supposition, not fact.

    And no, I do not favour street justice and I have no idea what I could possibly have said to give you that impression.

    So what is your argument precisely? Your argument is that ADams did nothing, so what would you have had him do? Use his influence to do what? As Adams himself said, ‘the guy denies the charges’, so if not street justice then what would you have had adams do precisely?

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Alias, I found your comment interesting,

    “Was it because the “most sophisticated terrorist organisation in the world” was run by a bunch of morons or run by the most sophisticated counter-terrorist organisation in the world?

    Posted by Alias on Jan 25, 2010 @ 05:56 PM”

    So, your statement makes it one or the other— was it a bunch of morons who got 18 and Montbatten or was it the ‘most sofphisticated counter-terrorist organizations in the world (mi5) got 18 and montbatten? …

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “Jimmy bringing the cops into nationalist areas was frowned upon ”

    You do make me laugh. I wonder if there was ever a death certificate giving cause of death as “being frowned upon”.

    “We can suppose, and we can suppose but at the end of the day it is supposition, not fact. ”

    It’s an educated guess.

    I feel like I’m repeating myself but I’ll try this once more. Gerry Adams was legally entitled to do nothing (although I’m taking sadistic delight in his fairy tales about all the help he pretends he offered as they unravel). What neither he nor his henchmen were entitled to do was, as he did publicly in 1995 and no doubt privately on other occasions, to instruct rape victims not to report the offence. As far as I’m concerned he was an accessory to every single rape.

  • scarecrow

    It’s an educated guess.

    Always remember the quote ‘send a fool to college and you get a fool back’, and educated guess can still be wrong..

    I wonder if there was ever a death certificate giving cause of death as “being frowned upon”.

    MI5/FRU/Special Branch, all these guys were up to dirty tricks in a dirty war. Was there anybody in the nutting squad who wasn’t an agent? As to the IRA for a secret organisation, its deeds are being well aired and I’d like to see you provide any ‘chatter’ or ‘rumours’ etc that any one lost their life due to reporting child abuse. If I’m wrong I’ll stand corrected.

    What neither he nor his henchmen were entitled to do was, as he did publicly in 1995 and no doubt privately on other occasions, to instruct rape victims not to report the offence. As far as I’m concerned he was an accessory to every single rape.

    AFAIK Adams contextualised that statement, claiming it was reported out of context. You are simply prejudiced against Adams – meanwhile lets see what the PSNI do. If they didn’t prosecute and used these cases for informing as well as clearing people to work with kids knowing there were complaints against them, I’d hold them responsible for every single rape, or at least equally as guilty. You are too prejudiced against republicanism to judge it fairly.

    I also think the title of this thread ought to be, ‘Jesus is almost as popular as Gerry Adams’. He’s popular, he’ll survive, he won’t stand down as he said today, and he will go on. 😉

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “AFAIK Adams contextualised that statement, claiming it was reported out of context. ”

    Ah the old “out of context” gambit. An oldie but a goodie.

    Unless the immediately preceding words we “Only an evil twisted bastard would say…” I’d love to know what this “context” was that made telling raped kids to keep their mouths shut a good idea.

  • Alias

    Kathy C, no one claimed that every member of PIRA was compromised, so your ‘rebuttal’ is redundant.

    It is generally accepted that the unmarried farmer who was responsible for the decapitation of a 13-year-old boy that you (I guess) are rather proud of (and, of course, the decapitation of an elderly Lord Mountbatten) was more interested in the organised crime side of ‘republicanism’ (becoming a very wealthy individual via ‘the cause’) and had no interest in political agendas or serving the British state. He was controlled by turning a blind eye to his organised crime activities. Other were controlled by their sexual perversions, by being caught in the act and given a choice between 20 years in prison of working for the security services, and other forms of coercion, ect.

    However, it is true that PIRA was led by a bunch of morons since they accomplished the aims of their declared enemies, i.e. renounced their claim to self-determination, secured the withdrawal of the claim to the territory of Northern Ireland by the Irish state, and endorsed the legitimacy of British sovereignty, ending up assisting in the administration of British rule rather than overthrowing it. And is there any need to mention that they had no reliable means of detecting agents within their ranks since that means was run by British agents?

    If you end up achieving the exact opposite of what you set out to achieve then it’s fair to call you a moron. If, however, your enemy was directing your activities and that is why you achieved all that your enemy set out to achieve, then it’s fair to say that your enemy played a role in your abject failure and in his spectacular success. Of course the leaders of the Shinner are not morons, so that should tell you something…

    It’s pretty obvious whose agenda was being served by the Shinners and it wasn’t the agenda of Irish nationalists.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Dec1,

    I strongly recommend you stop posting here using your employer’s email address.

  • Comrade Stalin

    If nationalists were loathe to call the cops, what did they do when they needed a crime reference number for an insurance claim ? I’m sure there were nationalists who found themselves involved in car accidents, or suffered from burglaries or accidental damage in their homes.

  • scarecrow

    I’d love to know what this “context” was that made telling raped kids to keep their mouths shut a good idea.

    Did Adams actually say I think its a good idea to keep your mouth shut kids if you’ve been raped? I think you said it was more on the lines of don’t go to the RUC, and sure when they did go look what happened.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    So you think he was motivated by concern for the victims is that it?

    And there was me thinking there was something sinister.

  • “It tells you Paddy that child sex abuse was rife then and most possibly rife right up to today.”

    It could even be more rife today than what it ever was.

    “In fact Ireland as a nation has one of the highest rates of child abuse (sexual) in Western Europe.”

    According to UNICEF, child abuse rates in Ireland are among the lowest in the world:
    http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/repcard5e.pdf

    The News Letter a few weeks ago reported that one in five people in Northern Ireland have experienced child sexual abuse or violence; Peter Lockhart of Nexus support group says ‘the problem is huge’.

  • http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1379946/UK-has-250000-paedophiles-says-police-study.html

    “A QUARTER of a million Britons – more than one in every 200 adults – are paedophiles, according to new figures released by Scotland Yard.

    The statistics have been compiled by Det Chief Insp Bob McLachlan, the head of the Yard’s paedophile unit, who sees them as a “conservative estimate”. The figures are likely to rekindle public anxiety about the number of child abusers on the loose.

    […]

    Using the latest police intelligence on crime patterns and specialist research material, Mr McLachlan has produced figures that show there are now at least 250,000 paedophiles, including those with no convictions. He said that his findings showed “the potential extent of the unnatural interest in children”.

    […]

    Mr McLachlan explained: “Working on prevalence of victim to victimiser, what we are saying is that 110,000 convicted would extrapolate to 250,000 known and unknown people who have a sexual interest in children.”

    Dr Elliott said that some studies have suggested that as few as five per cent of paedophiles are caught and convicted. “I don’t think our estimate is alarmist,” she said. “It is realistic and probably an underestimate.”

  • O-REP

    Don’t know about more popular, but more protected than Jesus was anyway. Maybe if Jesus had persuaded his disciples to start working the pagan system he could’ve got a similar gig from the Romans that Adams got from the British. =

  • scarecrow

    So you think he was motivated by concern for the victims is that it?

    I don’t know what his motivations were Jimmy, do you?

  • scarecrow

    Shane thanks for those stats, unicef arfe saying the world, but I definitely heard something about Ireland and the rates in western Europe, I think they were either the highest or one of the highest. Either way those figures are appalling. Thank you for the information.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    You’re asking why a member of the IRA Army Council would want to prevent IRA members from being reported to the police?

    It’s such a puzzler isn’t it?

    You’re pulling my leg now aren’t you?

  • scarecrow

    14.You’re asking why a member of the IRA Army Council would want to prevent IRA members from being reported to the police?

    I am?

    It’s such a puzzler isn’t it?

    What is? Ahhh…..this puzzler!

    You’re pulling my leg now aren’t you?

    I am? (eyes are wide in puzzlement!)

    I knew I felt something strange.

  • wee buns

    It’s a problem of pandemic proportions.
    The fact that the media failed to run with this story is less a reflection of Adams’ popularity, than of the denial and minimization that surrounds sexualized crime against women & children in general.
    The Murphy Report also generated significantly less debate than one would have hoped for given the scale and severity of the findings.

    Sad that so many people fail to get fired up about rape until there are political points to be scored, when it’s obvious that anywhere violence becomes the norm rape gets particularly rife.

    Behold your proverbial ‘acceptable levels’ therefore, of rape.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi Alias, so you’re saying british controlled the unmarried farmer…ergo then the british were responsible for 18 and montbatten? I wonder how the queen feels about that…her security department orchestrated 18 and montbatten…the man who her son called uncle…

  • Alias

    No, Kathy, I’m saying the control over said unmarried farmer was an indirect form and not a direct form such as blackmail, bribery or other form of coercion. It came into play as a means of getting him to not to oppose the emergent policy of the Shinners of endorsing British sovereignty. Those engaged in organised crime in that region post-ceasefire had the status of protected species, with the state turning a blind eye to their activities. Since Slab is one of the richest men in that region, his main focus was on using the cover of ‘republicanism’ to raise money for ‘the cause’ (i.e. himself) and if Slab continued to be “a good republican” and behaved himself then the reward offered to him by the state for his ‘good’ behaviour was turning a blind eye. He’s a bright boy and he knows the score. As do the family of Paul Quinn.

  • Alias

    And by the way, Kathy, before you cite Canary Wharf and declare that the British state would not put itself or its business at a loss of a billion pounds, you should acquaint yourself with Keynesianism which would hold that the rebuilding costs would generate substantial revenue for the state and substantial revenue for private enterprise. In fact, you’d probably get a few economists to show you how the state could make a profit on the deal. 😉

  • Alias

    One last point, Kathy, it doesn’t require the services of a criminal mastermind to park a truck with 500lbs of fertiliser by the side of the road or to plant a bomb on an old man’s unprotected boat, so I don’t think you should offer up those crude examples as evidence of a sophisticated killing machine.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Alias, you crack me up…I didn’t even mention Canary Wharf or planned to– yet you provided an interesting cover story for your pals at mi5.

    Interesting you sounded very compasionate for the 13 year old boy and an elderly Montbatten. However for the deaths of Inan Bashir and John Jeffries who died in Canary Wharf…not even a mention but instead an economics lesson. When I mix economics and canary wharf…I come up with the saudi prince Alwaleed who bought canary wharf…his bank (Citibank-he’s the largest shareholder) and how money was transfered to Citibank to fund several of the 9-11 highjackers including the pilot…mohammed atta.

    There is a flaw in your unmarried farmer scenerio. If the authorities were turning a blind eye to his activity…as a reward for letting sinn fein pursue their agenda…then why are the security forces going after him for his money in court. Doesn’t sound like a reward to me. Oh, by the way…I have an AKC German Shepherd…and his name is Murphy.

  • nollaig a chara

    Everyone can see & if they can,t its a case of not wanting to see… Suzanne Breen is the only Journalist covering/exploiting this story because she is an oppertunist she has took the light away from the victim, away from the aledged perpatrator and on to Gerry Adams and how he handled the case…..

  • Alias

    “Alias, you crack me up…I didn’t even mention Canary Wharf or planned to—yet you provided an interesting cover story for your pals at mi5.”

    Damn! That’s my cover blown…

    Now you forgot to mention the state seizing 30 million worth of Slab’s property portfolio in Manchester. Another hole in the theory? Well, [i]you[/i] would think so…