Tyrell challenges Gerry Adams’ account

The Tribune won’t be online until 6pm but yet again thanks to election.ie there is teaser available for those that haven’t got the paper.

Northern Editor Suzanne Breen interviews Gerry Adams’ niece, Aine Tyrell. Tyrell claims that Adams is lying when he says he couldn’t tell party colleagues that his brother was a suspected paedophile because she demanded anonymity from Adams.

Breen writes:

In an exclusive interview with the Sunday Tribune, Tyrell was scathing of both the Sinn Féin president and the PSNI over their handling of the case.

She said: “I didn’t know Liam was in Sinn Féin but had Gerry bothered to tell me, I would have waived my anonymity without hesistation. I’d have accompanied Gerry to meet his colleagues in Sinn Féin, to talk to the ard chomhairle about what Liam had done so they could expel him from the party. But Gerry never gave that option.”

The piece continues with Tyrell saying that she never asked Adams to protect her anonymity and had asked him to address the fact that Liam Adams working on youth projects over and over again to no avail

  • donegal danny

    His position is now untenable I am astounded how the PSF feminist are so silent. Shame on you!

  • wild turkey

    ‘I am astounded how the PSF feminist are so silent.’

    why danny? do not cast shame or guilt on PSF women.

    on the evidence to hand, both in print and digital media, there appears to be

    a hierarchy of victims
    a hierarchy of perpetrators and
    a hierarchy of allegiances

    party über alles

    … and this is said with no disrepect to any individual women in PSF. i would suspect for many individual women this is a ghastly episode.

  • donegal danny

    With respect there seems to be one rule for Adams and another for everyone else. PSF seem to have an omnipotent leader

  • Cynic2

    Looks , its Northern Ireland.

    If you wrap a donkey in a flag and shout ‘up the ra’ or ‘kick the pope’ there are fools who will vote for it.

  • ranger1640

    I suppose in the real world any party leader who came under such a stigma of allegedly covering-up child sexual abuse, they would go.

    However, Gerry Adams is not ordinary. He seems to be that of a demigod!!! Can Gerry Adams the Sinn Fein demigod be so Omnipotent that no issue will force him to leave???

    When are the women within Sinn Fein going to get their collective heads out of the sand and make their voices heard???

    If this was happening within the Unionist community the media and air waves would be filled with Sinn Fein women screeching at the tops of their voices for an injury and justice.

    Their silences is deafening!!!

  • ranger1640

    that should be inquiry and justice.

  • Marcionite

    There are no feminists in the republican movement. Why is SF anti abortion? They just are anti British but without any other coherent idealogy beyond that. It’s like the BNP having a view on ecology, it’s not what they’re about. Parties here are single issue personality cults. They have no principles beyond that constitutional single issue. Period.

    all we need now is P ONeill to make a statement offering to shoot Liam Adams. That would make things interesting

  • It gets worse by the day, and still Gerry Adams refuses to answer questions honestly.

    Sexual assaults and child abuse are not something you brush under the carpet for the sake of the cause. If there is any woman in any party that thinks other women are some sort of sexual canon fodder, that woman needs to be named, shamed and booted out of the party.

    There is an old saying: ‘Women and children first’

    It means to rescue and save, not abuse and defile.

  • Jaggers

    Marcionite

    “Parties here are single issue personality cults.” – what about the UCUNFs?

  • This story didn’t get a mention in Sunday Sequuence’s review of the papers, just Gerry’s political comment on the current talks/non-talks debacle. Is there some sort of embargo in place in the BBC?

  • Local UCUNFs are a bit short on personalities, Jaggers. There doesn’t even appear to be a whiff of sexual impropriety.

  • Henry94

    The trouble for Sinn Fein now is that either there is uproar in the party or there is “discipline” and they look like a weird cult. We have seen in the Church where loyalty to the institution ended up damaging it far beyond anything the truth could have done.

    It is hard to imagine any other party leader in a democracy surviving such allegations but to have no disquiet at all expressed in the party goes to the root of the problem with the war-based structure and habits of the republican movement.

    It might wash in the north but it won’t wash in the south. If Sinn Fein does not resolve this issue they will lose all their Dail seats in the next general election. That’s a guarantee. Their opponents and the media will tear them apart.

    The first step have to be full frank and genuine disclosure. Then let the cards fall where they may.

    Outstanding journalism by Suzanne Breen.

  • ranger1640

    Nevin:
    Is there some sort of embargo in place in the BBC?

    BBC NI is the most sanitized news media in existence.

    I suspect if the real victim had brought BBC NI the story they would have ran a mile in record time to avoid making the programme.

    Donna over to you with the latest breaking news, yes Noel the time is 6.40. It’s good-bye form me and it’s good night form her!!!

  • It is as if S/F cannot get over their own past.

    If they have ambitions to be a major party, they have got to deal with allegations the way any other party does.

    At the moment its true to say S/F are not the only party with scandals, but they are the only one apparently lying and denying.

    Time to grow up.

  • O-REP

    The truth of these allegations don’t matter, it’s the agenda behind them we have to draw attention to. Hey, it works for Scientology.

  • Marcionite

    Jaggers – fair point.

  • Marcionite

    SF operate like a Baathist regime. How Gerry wishes he could usher his enemies out the back like Saddam did in that infamous video.

    Internal dissent in SF is not just seen as techerous to the leadership/party but trecherous to Ireland itself

    internal democracy is not in SFs psyche. it won’t morph into a nice Enda Kenny led party in 20 years time. Some parties only exist to cause/ serve a problem within a certain timeframe but when the raison d’être goes or is diluted, that party’s existance should be questioned.

    Eg the French Resistance. A worthy force until 1945 but what could they offer France had they stood for election in 1970? Had they continued to exist beyond their use-by date, their Quasi militaristic structures would not have had no place within a democratic arena.

    They like SF/Dup are creatures of their time, time that is slipping and tugging the rug from under them eventually

  • ranger1640

    Was Gerry Adams was in the recent past calling for a truth and reconciliation commission.

    In light of this case was that just a call for the State, Unionist and loyalists, to fess up to their doggy pasts.

    The women within and without Sinn Fein should be asking for a Sinn Fein sexual abuse truth investigation.

    In the long term if Gerry does stay as party leader it will ultimately only hurt the Sinn Fein cause.

    Because, if this issue can’t shift Gerry I can’t see any future scandal having any effect on him.

    The culture of Gerry Adams idolatry and other Sinn Fein leaders idolatry, within the party and outside in their electorate, is of biblical proportions, and long term that can’t be good for their electorate!!!

  • UlsterWatcher

    Hey, Mark, the teaser says Aine Tyrell was scathing of Adams AND the police…but you only gave us what she said about the SF leader. Are you not interested in her comments on the police – you know, the ones with the actaul responsibility for dealing with such matters?

    Mark?

  • John O’Connell

    Pippakin

    There is an old saying: ‘Women and children first’

    It means to rescue and save, not abuse and defile.

    Good post. I see you have one other post copied to the Sunday Tribune today.

    Marcionite

    Some parties only exist to cause/ serve a problem within a certain timeframe but when the raison d’être goes or is diluted, that party’s existance should be questioned.

    I think it’s time for Sinn Fein to reassess what it stands for. The rebellion is over. Their leader has fallen even if, like the headless chicken, he refuses to recognise this.

    The violence never really worked except against their own people who came to feel that violence works because these abused and abusers convinced them that aggressive hardness will get results if you push hard enough.

    But the hardness is really just softness because they’re really just bad people attempting to force it down our throats that they are good people. The Gerry Adams saga is a salutary reminder of this.

  • Rory Carr

    The French Resistance, Marcionite, was composed of an uneasy alliance of Gaullists. Royalists and Communists with the Communist Party providing the bulk of the energy, strategy and manpower. All three factions continued to operate at a political level until well after the 1970’s.

  • Ultimate love is reserved for the revolution itself .. Eilis O’Hanlon, a niece of Joe Cahill

    Here’s a snippet:

    Even so, Nechayev’s words still ring chillingly true. The only ultimate love is for the revolution itself; the necessities of struggle transcend all other considerations.

    Adams could eulogise monsters because the eulogies served a political cause which needed to sentimentalise where it came from in order to justify what it was doing. In that way, he was no different from the community he represented. He was the same, only more so.

    The fact that protecting women and children was secondary to the cause was not even something which the Provos ever tried to hide.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Mark, can you give us a teaser on what Aine said about the PSNI (you know, the ones with the ultimate legal responsibility in such cases)?

    Mark?

  • UlsterWatcher

    So, could someone clarify what crime Gerry Adams is supposed to have committed here?

    I haven’t been able to read what Aine said about the police’s role. Mark only gave us her take on Adams…funny that, eh?

  • jack

    Sorry folks,Gerry would grab the last parachute ,thats the sort of man he is .

  • nick

    I think that Ulster Watcher is correct in noting Mark’s disregard of the RUC role in this sorry issue as Mark knock’s himself down in the rush to lace anothe boot into his erstwhile comrade, Adams.
    It is clear that Mark has a very big chip on his shoulders towards his former comrades in Sinn Fein. Nothing wrong with that as no-one expects him to be neutral and objective on Slugger on issues relating to his former employers. However his threads should be viewed in that context.
    For the record, I am extremely unhappy with the response of Adams and the RUC towards the alleged victim’s cry for justice.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Hate to break it to you all, but this story has had zero impact in nationalist areas. Zilch. Diddly.

    Despite practically a month of the most frenzied withchunting from the usual anti-SF outlets I’ve yet to see a single protest outside a SF office. Perhaps I missed it, but I haven’t seen hordes of angry parents hounding Adams for his alleged role in this case.

    The Irish news has given up on the story. Indeed, even the SDLP have picked up on the fact that people resent a withhunt and have stayed schtum.

    The nationalist republican community is a pretty savvy one. That’s why after years of demonisation they’re now in a position to potentially have one of their own becoming YOUR First Minister.

    A few weeks of mud slinging is water off a duck’s back.

    Now, when are we going to get that incisive reporting into how the PSNI handled this case?

    Well?

    Anyone?

  • UlsterWatcher

    Nick wrote,

    “For the record, I am extremely unhappy with the response of Adams and the RUC towards the alleged victim’s cry for justice. ”

    As am I, Nick.

    But has Adams broken any laws – indeed, have his accusers actually pinpointed a law he has broken?

    If the police mishandled this then surely that is the bigger story. After all, they would be the ones with the ULTIMATE LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY here, no?

    We’ll await with interest Mark’s threads on the media’s reporting into the PSNI’s behaviour here.

  • Ulsterwatcher

    I find your constant complaints about the RUC and PSNI out of place. It is not their turn yet.

    They have questions to answer, but there will be no investigation until after any connected court cases. Social services are the same and the PPS, also have serious questions which have to wait until after any trials. It is perfectly normal procedure, nothing underhand or anti S/F.

    Gerry Adams has put in the public domain dates and facts that do not make sense, and in any event are being denied.

    Nothing should be posted here that would influence a trial but questions must be asked and answered.

  • nick

    ‘Nothing should be posted here that would influence a trial’

    A bit too late for that!!

  • UlsterWatcher

    Pippakin actually wrote,

    “I find your constant complaints about the RUC and PSNI out of place. It is not their turn yet.”

    Perhaps, the most ridiculous and sad statement ever posted here ever – period.

  • jack

    Tell me ULSTER WATCHER ,are you by any chance one of Gerry’s advisers ?Seems to me he has been getting advise from people like you.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Pippa,

    I bet the authorities originally in charge of the Baby P would sure loved to have someone like you on board.

    Such an astute sense of priorities!

  • UlsterWatcher

    Jack,

    Engage in debate. Mudsling has got you nowhere so far – or haven’t you noticed?

    I’m asking relevant questions and just getting abuse.

    Doesn’t say much for this blog site.

  • UlsterWatcher

    You sound as though you are foaming at the mouth. If you know about the Baby P case you know all investigations happened after the court case.

    I dont care if the name of the accused is Gerry Adams, John Smith, or Patrick Ryan. This is child abuse and sexual assault. If there are questions they must be answered.

    You spend too much time complaining about the RUC to be believable, if Gerry Adams is not employing you he should be. He has no stronger advocate.

  • nick

    ‘Nothing should be posted here that would influence a trial’

    A bit too late for that!!

  • nick

    Sorry for the double post. As already stated, Mark is entitled to put his slant on the story and UW should be allowed to put his view also

  • UlsterWatcher

    Pippakin,

    Again, like I said to Jack, quit the hysterical mud slinging.

    You actually said above that you find my “constant complaints about the RUC and PSNI out of place. It is not their turn yet.”

    You know, I don’t think I’ve ever read a more disgraceful comment here.

    One would have thought that if child abuse had occurred and had not been dealt with then the natural starting point would be to look at how those empowered to deal with such matters handled the case, no?

  • UlsterWatcher

    You always know you’ve hit home when you’re accused of ‘foaming at the mouth’ (pippa’s contribution) and being one of Adams’ advisers (Jack’s effort).

    Come on, folks, you can do better than that.

  • tacapall

    You spend too much time complaining about the RUC to be believable, if Gerry Adams is not employing you he should be. He has no stronger advocate.
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 24, 2010 @ 02:22 PM

    Hi Pip are you the same pippakin that was justifying the mass humun rights abuse of Nationalists in regards to the stopping and searching of them, even though “The European Court of Human Rights” declared it was “illegal” obviously it does depend on who the accused is, in your eyes.

  • nick

    I dont think anyone has overstepped the mark. Allegations such as these are bound to be strong public interest stories.

    It seems the main complaint is that the accused will not get a fair trial. Well, there is always London. Or, a stroke of a pen and the trial takes place in Dublin, what could please republicans more.

  • iluvni

    When the average Sinn fein voter will endorse a movement that took a mother of 10 children away, shot her in the head and then threw her in a hole, do you really think they are going to care about child rape and abuse with the Republican movement and dealt with in such an inadequate way by the cult leader?
    Not a bit of it. They’ll continue to turn a blind eye and vote in large numbers. More fool them.

  • ranger1640

    Nevin:

    great link.

    What cause is that sacred, that it can excuse child sexual abuse as well as the murder of children.

    If this is the republican families way, the Sinn Fein way or the Gerry Adams way, of trying to convince me as a Unionist that a united Ireland will be an Ireland of equals, they are well of the mark.

    Just as an aside, I wonder did Gerry tell his wife of the alleged abuse of his nice and the abuse within his own family. I wonder what Gerry wife thinks of him and his actions since the Liam Adams story broke???

    Did she feel sympathy for Gerry, as a victim of a tyrannical father, but was that sympathy tinged with revulsion at the lies and cover-ups within the Liam, case???

  • UlsterWatcher

    Note the rage.

  • tacapall

    Tis I indeed! Good afternoon, and do you happen to have any cigarettes about you?

    I had hoped to have finished, at least temporarily with the subject of human rights. Tell me are you replacing UlsterWatcher, or forming a ‘pincer movement’.

    You will see that I am at least consistent: whatever gets the crap off the streets, and if possible, keeps them buggering about with each other, and not molesting defenseless children and young girls.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Pippa, sure we can rely on the police to help us – can’t we?

  • tacapall

    No cigs Pip, dont smoke, not trying to justify Adams actions in any way, his legacy will always be remembered by republicans and Irishmen, like that of de valera, conniving, deceitful, arrogant, who cared nothing for anyone other than his wee elite circle of brit agents he surrounded himself with. His day will come, but other people helped him and they involved, The Police, Social services, and some misguided republicans.

  • Stephen Ferguson

    Hi Pip are you the same pippakin that was justifying the mass humun rights abuse of Nationalists in regards to the stopping and searching of them, even though “The European Court of Human Rights” declared it was “illegal” obviously it does depend on who the accused is, in your eyes.
    Posted by tacapall on Jan 24, 2010 @ 02:36 PM

    Hey Tacapall,

    I posted the figures in the stop and search thread on this site that prove a middle class Unionist in east Belfast has as much chance of being stopped by the PSNI as a working class Republican in the Bogside. Strangely you never replied after that.

    There aint no ‘mass human rights abuse of nationalists’ going on. Change the record.

  • tacapall

    About ‘stop and search’ wasnt there a march in London about that this weekend, something to do with the rights of photographers I believe. Still at least they werent republicans, or as far as I know…

    As for Gerry Adams – you are so right! Evil little egit! Lets hang the bastard!

    Er, um, did anyone mention human rights? I want the perpetrators off the streets. I want the trials to be fair and unbiased. I want the investigations into the public services to be thorough and public.

    What can I say Im an idealist.

    Oh, and I want a cigarette!

  • tacapall

    Oh, and I want a cigarette!
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 24, 2010 @ 03:10 PM

    Why dont you head down to your NAAFI and get a packet, and you didn’t mention “human rights” but you dismiss other people, when they mention what the Police or Social services roles in the Aine Tyrell cover up should also be highlighted. It leads one to think you’re a bit biased.

  • tacapall

    Here we go with the ‘deep meaningful insults’ again. I have said before and I say it again. If you rape girls, if you abuse children, if you use your clothes and your innocence to carry weapons to hurt other innocents: You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    Ulsterwatcher

    When it comes to ‘disgraceul’: You have been droning on about the police, the RUC, social service, etc. on this thread and others for days.

    Yet you must know that no investigation is published, or usually started, until after the trial. You know this and you keep on and on and on and on…..

  • tacapall

    tacapall

    Here we go with the ‘deep meaningful insults’ again. I have said before and I say it again. If you rape girls, if you abuse children, if you use your clothes and your innocence to carry weapons to hurt other innocents: You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 24, 2010 @ 03:35 PM

    You see Pip im not a sheep believing any yarn that people tell me, and as for insults, did I tell you I smoked, I know exactly what you meant, “Judge and you will be judged” and all that.

  • tacapall

    If we cannot protect life, if we cannot protect the children, what good are any human rights?

    The nationalist and republican areas are not being picked on. The truth may well be that they have actually been neglected by the security services as they tried to infiltrate those areas.

    It will not do. No more, every child has a right to protection, including republican children.

  • nick

    ‘It will not do. No more, every child has a right to protection, including republican children’

    That’s awfully magnanimous of you, Pippakin, to say that republican children may be ‘included’ in those with a right to protection. What a pity that this right did not extend to children killed by plastic bullets fired by the security forces who were meant to be protecting them.

  • nick

    You are so right! As for the babies killed by bombs dropped from planes by the Allies in every war since the 2nd. It is a terrible thing.

    I suppose being called magnanimous is better than being accused of being a serial rapist, a child abuser, or the kind of tin pot ‘elcapitan’ who ‘looks after his friends’.

    Keep your slogans and your rhetoric for Belfast, they may believe you.

  • John O’Connell

    I would ask some of the more agressive defenders of Gerry Adams what the purpose of their posts are. Gerry is gone, and gone forever. He simply hasn’t realised it yet.

    Sinn Fein will pick a time when things have quietened down to dislodge Gerry and thrown him out of public life by a quiet exit.

  • John O’Connell

    I see you are an optimist!

  • John O’Connell

    pip

    Ever so. But a realist too.

  • John O’Connell

    Not if we dont make sure his problems stay in the news.

  • alf

    Not if we dont make sure his problems stay in the news.

    Posted by pippakin on Jan 24, 2010 @ 06:38 PM

    So when Adams stands in W.B at the next GE and gets highest % of votes over-all will you consider your quest/misson ? to depose him failed

  • John O’Connell

    alf

    Even Hitler had a mandate. Gerry Adams is now discredited. THe voters will catch up in time.

  • alf

    Even Hitler had a mandate. Gerry Adams is now discredited. THe voters will catch up in time.
    Posted by John O’Connell on Jan 24, 2010 @ 09:15 PM

    you sound gutted john, im sure when former admirers of his (as you surely must be) start calling for his head on a platter his time is up

  • John O’Connell

    More happy than gutted. It’s been a long road for me personally to see the day when Gerry Adams, the Antichrist, fulfils the last outstanding prophecy of the beast in Revelation. But you wouldn’t believe in all that, would you?

  • alf

    Believe in what John ? religon ? though i do like a bit of revelation, its the best bit, all that fire and brimstone

    Book of Revelation is best understood as a handbook for radical discipleship

  • John O’Connell

    alf

    Book of Revelation is best understood as a handbook for radical discipleship

    Are you a priest? Or did you google it?

    Book of Revelation is about the revealing of the true nature of Christ and Christianity. It would surprise many that Christ is imperfect in so many ways as is Christianity, but it is the road map to paradise.

    The Antichrist is nearer to perfect, or perfectly imperfect, like Gerry Adams, but with perfection comes shallowness and the lack of a soul. Gerry is empty. That’s the problem.

  • alf

    John your messing with me now, are you not ?

    btw yes i googled it

    I am actually a practising Buddhist

  • alf

    Have you ever thought about Buddha John ? Or Buddhism for that matter,

  • John O’Connell

    Buddhist? You’re messing with me, I think.

    A practising Buddhist would have more sense than to back Gerry Adams. A practising Catholic too, but there you go.

  • John O’Connell

    I admire the Buddha, such an imperfect man, but imperfectly perfect, the opposite of Adams. He had some great ideas.

  • Alf

    Are you defending Gerry Adams part in this?

    Are you saying that others accused of rape and child abuse have no questions to answer.

    Being a republican is not a license to harm and mutilate. It never was. If the crimes of alleged perverts are catching up with them. Its about time.

  • alf

    I defend no-ones part, neither do I wallow in the mire sniggering, I have my own Life to lead

    as Buddha said

    Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

  • tacapall

    Being a republican is not a license to harm and mutilate. It never was. If the crimes of alleged perverts are catching up with them. Its about time.
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 24, 2010 @ 10:25 PM

    Everyones crime catches up with them sometime. The British know that from experience.

  • OscarTheGrouch

    Looks , its Northern Ireland.

    If you wrap a donkey in a flag and shout ‘up the ra’ or ‘kick the pope’ there are fools who will vote for it.
    Posted by Cynic2 on Jan 24, 2010 @ 12:24 PM

    Ah but if we had such a choice….

    Even Hitler had a mandate. Gerry Adams is now discredited. THe voters will catch up in time.

    Posted by John O’Connell on Jan 24, 2010 @ 09:15 PM

    Can I call for the enforcement of Godwins Law?

  • Munsterview

    As a Southern Republican, a Sinn Fein supporter and an activist from pre ’69 until well after the cease fire, I have been following the unfolding Aine Tyrell apalling saga in the media with more than a little interest.

    First off full marks to Suzanne Breen for both breaking the story and covering it in the specific detail that she did. If in the South with what passed for a normal society with functioning social services, the incidents of Child Sexual Abuse were so numerous, then given the upheavals of Northern society for the past four decades, how could the North be any different?.

    In The Six Counties,we are now but seeing the first trickles that will in time inevitably become a deluge. I applaud Aines courage, I had the privilege of knowing and working with Joe Cahill, she appears to have all his integrity , courage and determination. I am saddened for the impact of this on her, her wider family and other victims also. This is one fine lady that will not be silenced. All those party to attempting to do so and their apologists will sooner or later find themselves walking the same ‘blamed and shamed plank’ as leading Irish R.C churchmen are now doing.

    Gerry Adams may have many roles in the Republican Movement that he has served well, but in the first instance to the general public, he is an M.P. with all that office entails. I cannot believe that somebody such as Gerry or his advisers could be so ignorant of the nature and character of child sexual abusers as to say as he apparently did to Aine, that Liam Adams working in a youth community project was Liams way of making up for past abuses. As for reports that Liam Adams was involved in restorative justice…. the mind boggles!

    Do Gerry Adams think for one moment that if a Fianna Fail, Labour or Fine Gael T.D. were involved in assisting and tolerating a near relative that had been involved in sexual abuse of children at the expense of at least one victim that Sinn Fein T.D’s would not be in uproar in the Dail.?

    As to that T.D. claiming that he did not know that the relative was working as a youth officer in a community project a few streets away from where the T.D. lived, as Liam Adams apparently did with Gerry, Sinn Fein would be calling for that T.D.’s head on a plate, ( and rightly so) in the Dail?

    Some like ‘Henry 94’ have already got the big picture; Sinn Fein in the North may have ( or think they have ) voters in Nationalist areas that will follow them to hell and back no matter what. I have enough experience of people the fine people in the Bogside, West Belfast and Armagh etc to personally doubt that. Some may not vote against them but they will not vote for them and those voters could be enough to cost Sinn Fein seats!.

    There will be no ambiguity however in the 26 counties especially among young voters, they have had enough cover ups and betrayal. Sinn Fein represented something different from the rest and now they are seen to act just like the Catholic Church did in similar circumstances when faced with scandal. Voters and especially the young ones will be unforgiving. If they cannot vote for un compromised ideals they will vote, especially in the current economic climate, in their own interests and they will not forget who stood by the victims…. or otherwise! victims!

  • Munsterview

    Last words should have read…….. ‘or otherwise!’

  • geraldine

    The Sunday Tribune recently published a list of 25 questions for Gerry Adams to answer which were responded to.

    In light of its ongoing political campaign against Gerry Adams and Sinn Féin, I would like to ask the following questions of the Sunday Tribune.

    Why did the Sunday Tribune publish the details of the alleged sexual abuse of one of the women interviewed by the paper against her expressed wishes?

    Does the Sunday Tribune believe this has been an empowering experience for this alleged victim, or that it has assisted her in any way?

    This alleged victim has now initiated legal proceedings against the Sunday Tribune.

    Why did the Sunday Tribune not put their allegations of Gerry Adams’ and Sinn Féin’s involvement in a ‘cover-up’ to him, and ask him for a response?

    Similarly, why was Sinn Féin not contacted regarding the status of the elected representative accused of abuse and given the opportunity to outline the circumstances involved?

    The Sunday Tribune would have learned that the party suspended the member without prejudice when the party was informed of the allegations and the PSNI had commenced an investigation.

    How does the Sunday Tribune justify its front-page headline on Sunday 17 January – saying ‘Gerry Adams ignores two more rape victims’ – when he acted in several ways to support his niece Áine Tyrell, including making a statement in support of her to the PSNI, and when one of the alleged victims in the Sunday 17 January paper says she told the paper Gerry had not been informed of the allegations?

    How do the media outlets that have claimed that Gerry Adams’ public disclosure of the abuse within his own family by his late father was a ‘cynical ploy’ to ‘divert attention’ from his niece, justify or substantiate this callous and offensive allegation?

    Do these media outlets believe that victims and survivors of abuse within Gerry’s immediate family are less deserving of support and understanding than others?

    In addition to all of these specific examples of inaccurate and politically motivated journalism are even more important questions.

    Does the Sunday Tribune, and other media, believe cases of child abuse and rape have happened among political parties other than Sinn Féin, and among sections of society other than the republican and nationalist communities?

    If so, and if the Sunday Tribune is only interested in ‘investigating’ the Republican Movement, and Gerry Adams in particular, how is that not a politically motivated campaign?

    Most fundamental of all – does the Sunday Tribune, and other media, acknowledge the fact that statutory agencies have the legal duty to protect children from abuse?

    Do they recognise that appalling failures by the RUC and PSNI and Social Services to protect children in the North have been exposed by the recent allegations?

    If they do recognise this, why are these agencies, which are charged with carrying out this vital function but failed to do so, not being subjected to any level of scrutiny or investigation whatsoever by the media?

  • nick

    Although there will no doubt be a deluge of mock outrage replies from the usual sluggish suspects, I think that Geraldine’s post broadly reflects the views of the nationalist electorate on the nuances of these issues and the motivations of those leading ‘the story’ .
    That is why there is little or not appetite from Sinn Fein voters to see Adams dislodged as leader.

  • geraldine

    GA has left more questions than answers. To cover up for a brother who may have been abused himself, that is one thing, many understand his situation, but he has also been accused of covering up two more cases. All the questions must be answered, not to his satisfaction but to everyones.

    The RUC, the PSNI and social services, must be investigated, everyone knows this will not happen until after any trial/s take place, The only purpose for yelling about them now is to try to distract public attention from those accused and from GA.

    Nick

    Are you sure? What makes you think a nationalist like me will vote for someone dodging child abuse allegations, or vote for anyone who supports him.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “Do they recognise that appalling failures by the RUC and PSNI and Social Services to protect children in the North have been exposed by the recent allegations?”

    Adams’ 1995 instruction to victims not to contact these agents must have deeply upset you then.

  • KateMcC

    Who are the feminists in Sinn Fein?
    Not that you have to be a feminist to concern yourself with child abuse and sexual violence but Sinn Fein women are followers not leaders within the party. They worship at the alter of Gerry and the party’s record on women’s rights does not stand up to scrutiny.
    It must also be born in mind that many women participated in the cover up of all sorts of crimes by the Provos.
    Intellectually they justify this by crying ‘freedom of country first’ but this is and always was a smokescreen.
    Even if such an arguement was to be accepted one just has to look at the treatment of women and children by the Irish state after 1922.
    And before we hear the defence of ‘but the republican cause was not yet finished’ to those in the south it was.
    Republicanism for women and children meant repression and control, not freedom, equality and so on.
    The women in Sinn Fein are representative of Sinn Fein.Expect silence and obedience.

  • Paddy

    5.Who are the feminists in Sinn Fein?

    Rita O’Hare, ther Protesdtant wife of Gerry, would probably classify herself as one. She can be seen in the background when Adams met Rynolds and Hume outside Govt House in Dublin.
    Adams’ inner circle go back to the very early days when Gerry Snr was up to his games. Gerry Kelly, Joe Tout Cahill, Denis Donaldson. And the heavies are from the old days too: Wilson, Clark, Storey.
    Hitler’s key bodyguards up to the very end has also been with him in the dark days.

    Odd that Adams and McGuinness never got long stretches. No super tout ever fingered them and the Brits knew, with a little help from their friends, they would rise to the top and drift the right way.

    Only an innocent would believe that the Adams family and their closest mates were not compromised from very early on with evidence of kiddy f–king etc.

    By allowing a sufficient number of burnt out Provo prisoners to latch on to them, the British got the compromised leadership they wanted.

    And rape victims got Wilson and Finucane, masked IRA killers with hearts of golden marshmallows.

  • IRIA

    Paddy: “Joe Tout Cahill”? You’re always good for a laugh.

  • tacapall

    Italians, mafia, Japanese, kamikaze, Afganastan, Taliban, Ausralia, Kangaroos, Ireland, Child abuse, between Unionism, Catholicism, Republicanism you’ve stereotyped all Irishmen, thanks a mill.

  • Paddy

    IRIA: A nummber of prominent “Republicans”, such as Cahill, Adams and McGuinness never did serious porridge. Why do you think that was? Why do you think Cahill was not hanged along with Tom Williams? Do you really beleive Cahill the IRA hero would have done nothing when he heard what happened to his grand niece. Cahill ended up as Adams’ patsy, much like John Joe McGirl.

    But McGirl, at least, was not in the employ of G2.

    If you cast your mind back to the start of the Provos, John Kelly, Charlie haughey and all that. G2 were quite effective. Do you really think none of the top Provos were in hock to G2 or the Irish Special Branch? Top Provos like Cahill perhaps?

    Then you probably think Stakeknife is a mirage and that Denis Donaldson had not a dark dark secret involving the Adams gang.

  • Scum rises to the top, so the saying goes.

    If you are the kind of ‘scum’ prepared to murder a mother of ten, leaving her children orphaned, then you are almost certainly not the kind to worry about anyones children.

    Some supporters of the IRA let atrocities like Jean McConville happen for the good of the ’cause’.

    Thats how you get leaders who are so hopelessly compromised you cannot be sure they voted for you, ever.

  • Munsterview

    Just finished skimming through todays (Jan 31st,) Sunday Tribune, no articles or comment carried re the Tyrell or other abuse stories. A full p.12 devoted to Sinn Fein and their Southern Political performance. Six lines embedded in the general text of that relate to Liam Adams.

    So much for Republican claims that the previous coverage was only to kick the Shinners. This was a legitimate news story that could have run and run if this was the intent. And since when was the Indo media ever friendly to Republicans any way so what is new ?