Arthur Morgan Watch: Finally, the Deputy for Louth speaks!!!

Phew, Deputy Morgan has spoken. And the ‘Watch’ is over. I really was not looking forward to a the kind of thousand day ordeal some of our commenters predicted on Monday. The Irish News has finally tracked the man down (good on them for sticking with it!). He spoke to them in a ten minutes slot at Leinster House yesterday. His explanation? “It slipped my mind”…

Note the complete change in tone, from certainty on Christmas Eve that Liam Adams was NOT an officer in the party to the rather less convincing, I forgot. What you have then to ask is “How likely it is that he or anyone else might actually forget?” To approximate an answer to that we have an impeccable source on Arthur’s career with Louth Sinn Fein: Deputy Morgan himself speaking in An Phoblacht in 2006:

On release from prison (in 1984), Morgan rejoined the Francis Jordan Cumann and in 1985 stood as a Sinn Féin candidate in council elections in Louth. Although he topped the poll in first preferences, the PR system meant that he lost the seat by eleven votes.

In 1987 and again in 1989 he stood for the general elections and significantly increased the Sinn Féin vote in Louth. In 1991 he again stood for the local elections but it wasn’t until he stood for the third time, in 1999, that he won the County Council seat.

This last is significant. 1999 is the year we have for Liam Adams being expelled by his brother from the party (for reasons and presumably means undisclosed to the local cumman, or cuige). So what we are asked to believe is that Deputy Morgan cannot remember the guy who was chair of his county association in the year he won his first public office at county level!!

The get out: He claimed in the Irish News that Liam Adams was chair of Louth SF for just two months – no dates given…

Remember this ‘misremembering’ does not relate to anything Deputy Morgan may or may not have known about Liam Adams in 1999. It relates to statements he made to journalists just twenty two days ago. That is after Gerry Adams own thoughts about his brother were in the public domain. There is clearly insufficient detail here to explain why his Christmas Eve statement was at such variance with the facts.

He also told Valerie Robinson of the Irish News that party officials are busy at work trying “to compile a chronological and factual picture of Liam Adams role in the party in Louth”.

Probably very necessary, because in this story so far there has been one inconsistency after another. We await to see when or even if they publish that chronology. Or whether, in fact, it is simply an a strictly internal instrument to be kept to keep party spokesmen singing from the ‘official’ hymn sheet…

The Watch may be over, but we’ll be keeping a very close eye on this story, for reasons I’ll blog about later today…

  • Mr Crowley

    It took him 3 weeks to come up with ‘ehm I forget’ to cover his sycophantic adherence to Dear Leader’s deceptions. It would appear that imagination is in as short a supply as integrity within the shinners.

  • wild turkey

    ‘He also told Valerie Robinson of the Irish News that party officials are busy at work trying “to compile a chronological and factual picture of Liam Adams role in the party in Louth”.’

    Can anyone make a nomination for the Booker Prize?

    When do nominations open?

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    so…if he FORGOT….then at one time he KNEW. Otherwise you can’t forget something you didn’t once know. Therefore, Morgan knew that liam adams was an active member of sinn fien.

  • Mick Fealty

    Slightly lost the run of myself there… In the first draft of the post I presumed that he’d been there all that time, but Arthur is clear that he only was in that post for two months. Although he’s not clear about when. Apologies.

  • Well done to everyone who kept after Mr Morgan until he was forced to respond.

    A pity his response leaves us with more questions than answers and I too would like to see the chronological and factual record of Liam Adams role, and why stop at Louth? if it can be done there it can be done for the whole of his time in S/F

  • Paddy

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8458972.stm

    Seems Ian Paisley 11 is looking for some clarity from Gerry and Arthur.

  • Paddy

    Yes I heard that.

    It is right that they should investigate of course, but why did it have to be him? Where were the SDLP, Alliance, anyone else! Lets hope he did it for the right reasons.

    Sometimes I get so mad I could spit!

  • John O’Connell

    I think that this sideshow may be a distraction to lead us away from the questions that Gerry Adams has to answer about his brother in Louth and in Clonard and Beechmount.

    At the moment its going around in circles.

    Arthur knows that Gerry’s reputation is on the line and he is covering Gerry by telling us that Liam was in the chair for only two months, backing up Gerry’s claim that he moved Liam on as soon as he realised that he was in Sinn Fein. So Gerry found out after Liam was in the chair for a couple of months and acted promptly.

    So where’s the story?

    The story is in Belfast with Gerry Adams and what he did when he found out that his brother was a paedophile and when he found out that he was working with children.

  • John O’Connell

    And the investigation will take place, especially if everyone refuses to be sidetracked. A diversion, does not mean you lose track.

    You sent an email to me yesterday? It got lost in the ‘ether’ please would you mind sending it again.

    In the meantime, I am sure the people who want questions answered will keep on asking. The world has moved on. The old S/F way of avoiding and blustering will not work anymore.

  • John O’Connell

    pippakin

    I don’t recall any email.

    The old way is working fine by the way. Sinn Fein voters are blind to any wrongdoing on the part of Gerry. Fortunately others are not.

  • John O’Connell

    Sorry, there must be more than one John O’C.

    The hard core shinners will stick but the ‘floating’ voter may not. This is bad news for any party with ambition. The lack of clear, honest answers is adding to that bad news and S/F will be more aware of that than anyone.

  • John O’Connell

    pippakin

    This is bad news for any party with ambition.

    It is of course true that Gerry Adams’ downfall would hasten the demise of Sinn Fein, but we’re inching towards that goal in a very slow and indirect way. That needs to be focussed. Mick needs a blog on Adams’ role again, not Arthur’s memory.

  • John O’Connell

    Agreed, but there are legitimate and very worrying questions still outstanding and not only about Liam Adams. It may take time but if it does not happen, people will have been let down, just think someone who may have been abused as a child could be reading this right now, that person is worth my ‘nagging’ and my time.

  • John O’Connell

    Very true, pippakin.

  • The elusive Mr Morgan has just been on bbc news, so all the questions and the refusal to lie down quietly is working.

  • joeCanuck

    The first rule for liars is: have a good memory.
    Seems someone forgot that! Oh, he doesn’t have a good memory. Sorry about that.

  • RepublicanStones

    Actually joe was listening to radio 4 on Tue evening and they were doing a piece on polygraphs and how they work. They also discussed the tell-tale signs of somebody lying and the mannerisms etc. One contributor who was a former soldier or cop trying to get into the FBI actually failed several polygrpahs by answering truthfully, he set up this site in protest

    http://antipolygraph.org/

    But anyway, it was said that liars are always able to recite perfectly their story, people telling the truth usually remember bits mid sentence and double back on themselves and fill in gaps as their telling their story or leave bits out.

    So Maybe Morgan is playin a double bluff? in any event, he is small fry, its Grizzly who should be being chased up.

  • A good memory, a good story and strong ‘back-up’, when you end up protecting the ‘back-up’ you have got serious problems.

  • joeCanuck

    RS,
    There may well be a difference between a spontaneous liar and a practiced liar.
    I had to stand in the corner for 5 minutes as a kid when I told my Da a different lie the second time he questioned me about some matter or other.
    It was him who advised me to practice my memory skills.

  • joeCanuck

    BTW,
    For those of you with young kids, I found that making them stand in the corner, quiet, for a few minutes was an excellent discipline tool. Much more agreeable to me than spanking.

  • RepublicanStones

    Herself does that with our daughter, but i take one look at her wee face and melt.

    Her cousins get the naughty step, which was apparently promoted by some show on the telly.

  • Mick Fealty

    I find it intriguing that the party is assembling an ‘official’ timeline (so that people chased by the media can get their stories straight?) from party records.

    Is GA still keeping them in dark?

    I honestly don’t know what Deputy does or does not know. Adams keeping him in the dark is of a piece with Killian’s analysis of how the party’s internal structures work.

    But the degree to which Connolly House has tight control over the whole party, does not square with the idea that LA is photographed with opening an office with party Top Brass in Dundalk at the time and GA does not know about it.

    There is a level of detail here that we could do with that a whistle blower would be very handy just now.

    Instead, all we are being fed stories that shift a posteriori as new fragments emerge from the past.

    Hardly reassuring…

  • I suspect the ‘timeline’ will either be better fiction than ‘Lord of the Rings’ and even longer. Or it will be for internal use only.

    Sinn Fein have always been notorious for the level of control the head had of the tail. It is strange indeed to find them relying on the good old ‘poor organisation’ excuse.

    One or two posts have lead me to believe we may be in for more exposures, which will hopefully shed more light on this intriguing and distressing saga.

  • RepublicanStones

    Sinn Fein have always been notorious for the level of control the head had of the tail.

    Too true, which is one of the major reasons why there have been so many chucking in the towel with them. For a party which purports to be socialist, the level of top down control is laughable. More akin to Leninism’s Vanguard with Grizzly’s small coterie at the top.

  • RepublicanStones

    The trouble is Gerry Adams may simply be a man trying to protect his family. It is what he says and not implausible. His problem is all these unanswered questions and further allegations made since this began.

    For so long people could not believe in the cause without believing in him and for some the separation is still too confusing.

  • RepublicanStones

    pippakin Grizzly’s problems started well before this family issue arose.

  • RepublicanStones

    I know that! his enemies are many and varied. If I had somehow missed it before, some of the comments Ive seen would have given me a definite clue to his ever growing difficulties. I have no time for him as a politician, but since I dont know him I cant judge the man.

    The thing is, it is this scandal that is causing him the most problems, and it is this rightly or wrongly that have got people looking at his party very, very carefully. If full and clear answers are not forthcoming it could be this that brings him down and if S/F are not careful do great damage to the party.

  • Alias

    Poland passed a law last September that made it mandatory for paedophiles to be chemically ‘castrated’ as a condition of their release from prison. It’s possible that the UK could have a similiar law by the time Mr Adams (if convicted and duly sentenced) was eligible for release, so a former member of the nutting squad might yet be nutted himself.

  • Mr Crowley

    a former member of the nutting squad might yet be nutted himself.
    Posted by Alias on Jan 15, 2010 @ 01:35 AM

    It would be really interesting to know what timeframe his operations in IRA internal security encompassed, particularly if it corresponded to the time when Gerry knew that he was compromised. The comprehensive manner in which the British infiltrated and directed the ‘nutting squad’ asks serious questions about the Adams leadership, particularly when the liquidations that paved the way for the GFA began in earnest with Loughgall in ’87; the same year that Áine Tyrell went to the RUC.

  • Alias

    First Im not convinced that chemical or physical castration has a full effect, since it cannot alter the mind set of the paedophile, which after all is where everything starts if not ends. oh dear…

    In addition, actually forget the rest of it, its too excrutiating.

  • Mr Crowley

    You may be right, but I think that if GA had wanted to avoid compromising himself to the Brits, all he had to do was hand his brother over. Or, there was always old faithful: deny, deny, deny, the well known, tried and tested method.

    One thing is sure, what the Brits knew, he knew, so if Liam was ‘turned’ so was he.

    We seem to be stepping in to the realms of conspiracy theory, again.

  • tacapall

    Mr Crowley you seem to have your finger on the pulse, are you saying that Loughall, Gibralter,etc were compromised by the leadership and members of the nutting squad were working in tandem to direct the war ? Just why was Scap allowed to walk away into retirement to his villa in Italy or whereever.

  • Tacapall

    I dont care. This is about child abuse, not the Brits, or the loyalists, or some deep dark conspiracy. Its about child abuse.

    Gerry Adams may be innocent of everything except trying to protect his family, but if there were others who assisted child abusers to escape the law, then that is what needs to be exposed.

  • tacapall

    Tacapall

    I dont care. This is about child abuse, not the Brits, or the loyalists, or some deep dark conspiracy. Its about child abuse.

    Everything is connected, there has to be a starting point, im just as eager as you to find out the truth, My children were in those youth clubs that Laim Adams worked in.

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr Crowley you seem to have your finger on the pulse, are you saying that Loughall, Gibralter,etc were compromised by the leadership and members of the nutting squad were working in tandem to direct the war ? Just why was Scap allowed to walk away into retirement to his villa in Italy or whereever.
    Posted by tacapall on Jan 15, 2010 @ 02:26 AM

    We will probably never know the extent to which the compromise and betrayal occurred but it is certain that a number of people were sidelined and liquidated to facilitate the transformation of PSF into the British policy party that it is today and that British conflict management played a significant part in the transformation. Scappaticci was initially defended by Adams and the Belfast media group and was ultimately allowed to go off into the sunset. One would suspect that he had too much dirt on the leadership for any other course of action to be countenanced. The entire internal security unit wasn’t compromised by accident.

  • Tacapall

    I did not mean that there is not a time or place for further investigations. If more and different facts emerge then they should be investigated too, and in the light of results people will learn the the truth.

    For now I think the concentration should be on the child abuse issues, I hope your children were safe, but there appears to be room for doubt that others may not have been. I dont want to see the issue of child abuse side tracked because I believe there are some who would like nothing better.

  • Mr Crowley

    For now I think the concentration should be on the child abuse issues
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 15, 2010 @ 02:52 AM

    There is increasing evidence that the shinners were thouroughly compromised with enabled paedophiles in their midst. The issues of state manipulation and protected paedophiles cannot be considered seperately as they are aspects of the same corruption within both the shinners and the state which they now serve.

  • tacapall

    Excauses and reasoning can be made for a lot of events, but nothing can excause “Gerry” for exposing our children to his brother who he knew and believed raped and abused his daughter from the age of 4.