Dissident republican group’s uninspiring new year message…

READING like a dreary hardline missive from 1970 rather than 2010, here’s the rather longwinded new year greeting from the republican wing of the Real IRA, the 32 County Sovereign Movement. After praising the “political action” of 2009 that represents “the way forward for Irish republicanism”, the statement goes on (and on and on…) to recognise the need for dissident republicanism to reach out to and gain the support of “communities” this year. It is, at least, a recognition of the lack of support for their cause. They claim they will be hold “two major international initiatives” this year and be “democratic” – even if “[f]or us the ballot box means more than just numbers”. Seems contradictory.

The rambling narrative takes pops at mainstream nationalism and republicanism, the media and the British, signing off with message that “resurgent republicanism will demonstrate to both governments and the international community that the destruction of the provisional movement was the liberation of Irish republicanism”.

  • Scaramoosh

    “Because it is a challenge to the state the state will obviously respond. Mistakes will be made, but also learned from, and it is this disciplined approach which will allow for this engagement to spread successfully to other areas. In part the success of this project may be gauged from the state’s reaction to it. They will not be alone. Establishment Nationalists will also have a vested interest in seeing this project fail. They will seek to divide and conquer. But a clear understanding as to the implications of its sovereign distinction and clear democratic practices will thwart them. After all it was disdain for democracy within their own organisations which led them into the cul de sac they now find themselves.”

    WTF? Was the guy who wrote this on the Poteen?

  • joeCanuck

    Juvenile verbal diahorrea, Scaramoosh.

  • joeCanuck

    A la style of Citizen Smith.

  • Grassy Noel

    Very sloppy, Belfast Gonzo.

    You left out the final sentence:

    “Pip pip, old boy. Ratherr!”

    Still, I’d have thought there were better ways of embarrassing Sinn Fein rather than making a murderer of yourself and invting attention from the inteliigence services.

    Give the latter credit, they succeeded in ‘flooding’ the movement post Massarene – and it is a textbook operation.

  • Stephen Blacker

    It is very depressing to hear that the 32CSM still believes that violence is the only way to achieve their aim. This has already been tried and all it achieved was too many people dying before their time! No one thinks the arrangements here are brilliant but they are a million times better than what they were.

    Every group has lost, how can victory be claimed except for common sense? What is needed is for everyone to work together and give support and information to our Police Service to help combat the threat from people that are intent on destroying our Peace!

    It is only a matter of time when a massive bomb will go off or another soldier or police person is murdered. It is also only a matter of time before one of these activists is killed and as history shows that will swell their ranks.

    We also need our politicians to start working together and show trust and leadership. Forget about their parties election chances and start thinking on the welfare of the population! It is a disgrace to see young men and women, some not out of their teens wanting to kill, it maybe says a lot more about our society than we want to admit.

    We still have a long road to travel before we get real Peace. When I scan through the pages and stories on Slugger the nasty vile comments are still very evident. The people voted to make the likes of the 32CSM & others history, so we need our Politicans to forget about trying to out-green or out orange each other and give us the Country we deserve!

  • Turgon

    Stephen Blacker,

    I have to disagree with a lot of what you say: not that I want or support any return to violence. However, you falsely conflate opposition to violence with support for the current process.

    I am opposed to the current process and also passionately opposed to violence. Equally I can accept that there are some nationalists / republicans who are completely opposed to violence but regard the current process as utterly flawed and who wish to end it.

    There is nothing wrong in a democracy in saying that you wish to completely change the system. If you can get enough votes then the system gets changed.

    Your fear is of course that if we do not keep moving forward we will slip back into violence. This is a false fear. Those who currently support violence and oppose the agreement will not be stopped by the current process as they have not been thus far.

    If you are suggesting that if we do not move forwards the mainstream republican movemet will go back to violence then we are being conned that the republican movement is committed to peace and additionally are being blackmailed.

    The only mechanism by which you analysis is correct is the rather convoluted one which is that political progress binds more and more people into the process and brings potential dissidents on board. I suspect that misunderstands the mindset of dissidents and those attracted to them. In addition since the dissidents want a 32 county socialist republic (in reality more fascist) the fact that is that they cannot be appeased as they want an end to liberal democracy as we know it.

    I fear yours is the standard liberal fallacy of Moving Forwards as opposed to slipping back.

  • Turgon

    Incidentally a hopeless statement from the 32CSM. For a (substantial) fee I might even be willing to write them one. Who says TUVists cannot be bought?

  • Grassy Noel

    BTW – having read through Slugger tonight, is dissident sneaking regarder Mark McGregor going to do a spin piece on what this statement really means?

    God help anyone who says a word against the dissies while our Mark is around!

    [Last sentence deleted for playing the man. That was well over the line – Moderator]

  • Stephen Blacker

    Turgon

    I am new to Slugger but i have been reading the pages for a while and it is very obvious you are very good with your points of view. I do believe we must move forward, moving back will take us into your territory of yes we will have Catholics about the place as long as they fit our criteria!

    The TUV are the DUP prior to May 8th 2008, our country cannot go back to that time. Yourself and others like you are in denial if you think that is the way to go. Unionists must own up to mistakes from the past and move on. Moving forward does not mean like a headless chicken, it means equality and sharing.

    WE must live in the real world and stop pretending everything was rosey in the Unionist dominated past. You may be correct that the 32CSM will not change but people in SF have changed, their dream of a 32 county united Ireland has not changed but the violent streak has gone.

    It is not easy or ideal to have to work with people who murdered and destroyed but that is what coming out of conflict must deal with. Leadership is more difficult than keeping the status quo. We can totally agree that the 32CSM would get a major boost if our Pease Process faltered with the collapse of Stormont and funny enough so would the TUV.

  • joeCanuck

    A tad unfair, Grassy Noel, since Mark hasn’t commented on this thread.
    Man playing?

  • Brian MacAodh

    The dissident movement doesn’t seem to be in great shape….this is the best statement they could come up with???

    It was probably written after 6 pints at the local watering hole

  • The sad reality for every Irish citizen is that while the British Government and her Armed Forces occupy part of Ireland….

    That there will be Republican militants willing to resist that occupation through the force of arms.

    What is required is that all Irish Republicans adopt the same political methods to end partition, imperialism and the occupation.

    An Irish national and socialist democracy is needed now more than ever!

  • willis

    Turgon

    “I have to disagree with a lot of what you say: not that I want or support any return to violence. However, you falsely conflate opposition to violence with support for the current process.”

    Where did Stephen say that?

    I must have missed it and I have read his post twice.

    As always you have my respect Turgon, but I think your reaction had a touch of the knee-jerk about it.

  • Slartibuckfast

    The RIRA/32 CSM are the gang who are targeting the families of police officers for murder. So all that needs to be done is to bribe the brothers, sisters, cousins, aunties and uncles of these creatures to join the cops and then they’ll have to whack themselves and everyone will be a winner. They get to hit legitimate targets, and we get to live in a world with less scumbags in it. Simple.

  • Paddy

    Literacy apart, the so called dissidents have missed the boat. Even Ruth Dudley Edwards has moved on. She is in today’s Daily Mail, being hailed as an expert on Islamic extremism. That – and the peace process industry – is where the money is.

  • Paddy

    I also notice form the blog they have an Italian section. Is Scap a member and if not, why not?

  • Slartibuckfast

    Well they have a very Sicilian way of doing things.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Incidentally a hopeless statement from the 32CSM. For a (substantial) fee I might even be willing to write them one.

    You could perhaps even run a petition for them.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Slartibuckfast,

    Where on earth has the Shankill Moaner gotten to ? It seems to have fallen off the face of the earth. I miss it ..

  • Slartibuckfast

    Ach, it had just well run its course. I done a dissident version at Easter:

    http://www.politics.ie/political-humour/59367-flat-earth-republican-news-8-4-1916-a.html

  • Turgon

    Comrade Stalin,
    Yes I suppose if ever one of them were elected to the assembly your party would help them out.

  • Grassy Noel

    Sorry for playing the man. Yes, it was a bit harsh – so apologies to Slugger mods, but not the man I tackled.

  • Hugo The Interpreter

    It looks non evident,and for Irishmen in Ireland it could be, forever. But the U.K. police, flaunting the PSNI, have committed crimes against humanity, turning the cleanest boys and girls to the scry. Creation of a mandate, or civil action? They just carry on.

  • Paddy

    Saoirse http://tinyurl.com/ydzm55q tells us that RSF have a new boss. Maybe, however, O’Bradaigh will have to make another comeback to keep the ideals pure.
    It also tells us they had a Sean South do today and have an O’Hanlon one next week. They remind me of the Don Bosco calendars: no matter what the day, there is always a saint to be invoked from the great beyond. Gee, Dave O’Connell nips in for New Year’s day. Glasnevin. Is he buried in the Reublican Plot or have the Provos that sewn up? From the pictures, they seem to be The Boys of Ye Very Old Brigade.

    They also have a sub office in Italy. Scap must be double jobbing.

  • joeCanuck

    These guys are really stuck in the past with their “British Colonial police” and “occupied 6 counties” and “the only way to combat the invader is to take up the gun”.
    Don’t they know that the communist system proved its inability to meet the needs of the citizenry and collapsed under its own internal contradictions?

  • Paddy

    25.These guys are really stuck in the past with their “British Colonial police” and “occupied 6 counties” and “the only way to combat the invader is to take up the gun”.

    This is a major issue. RSF are political long termers and can, in a sense, claim the SF mantle. However, they have not evolved at all. Why not, for example, take up the computer virus? Or STD viruses and give all Brit squaddies and colonial coppers the clap? The ring leaders of RSF, many of whom are inter married, would lose out in any opening up process. Same as the Provos but a different cult.

  • Seosamh913

    Does anyone know if they have anywhere defined the sort of “just society [within that independence]” they refer to so that the rest of us can make our minds up as to whether entrusting any hope or expectation of that onto an unaccountable armed elite might be something we would even consider ?

  • damon

    I would say that looking at their website can tell you enough about them. It’s like revolution by numbers.
    First try to blow something up or shoot someone.
    Then when your members get arrested and charged, you can start the ”justice for the prisoners” campaigns and talk of maltreatment etc.

    Hopefully the people they might think are their natural constituency will see through their crude attempts to build any kind of ‘movement’.

  • Skintown Lad

    Ardoyne Republican –

    You and other republicans who excuse/encourage violence always stake everything, absolutely everything, on little republican cliches. “Ireland unfree shall never be at peace” etc etc. You view these cliches as infinitely large and unbreakable platforms, which support all your devastating and otherwise incomprehensible actions.

    But the thing is, those cliches are not platforms at all. They are tiny little pin heads of sentiment from a different time, just one small grain in the shifting sands of human values. And there you are balancing the world on just one of them. Staking everything on it, even though it means ripping fathers apart and killing hope.

    You will ignore this, just like you will ignore the will of Irish men and women, and not just the British ones. They are screaming at you with one voice: we ARE Ireland and you are not killing in our name. And if you believe Ireland is not her people, what is it? A cliche?

    Remove the telescope into the past from your eye. See the modern world around you and realise that the only threat to Ireland’s freedom is from those who ignore her will.