Former Hunger Striker Calls on Adams to Resign from Sands Trust

Former Hunger Striker Gerard Hodgins has called upon Gerry Adams to resign from the Bobby Sands Trust in light of his actions surrounding the accusations against his brother, Liam Adams. The Sands Trust is currently run out of the Sinn Fein offices on the Falls Road, and its members are Gerry Adams, Danny Morrison, Tom Hartley, Jim Gibney, Brendan ‘Bik’ McFarlane, Sile Darragh, Caral Ni Chuilin, and Peter Madden (Madden and Finucane represent the Trust). Hartley, Morrison and Adams have been on the Trust since its inception. The Sands family have rejected the Trust and have publicly called for it to be wound up. “We came to look closer at the Trust and in turn were concerned at the lack of control or accountability”, said one family source. “There were no records of minutes etc. or proper accounts and it was debatable if they ever functioned as a Trust but rather as an extension of SF.”

There was also family concern over an alleged attempt by Sinn Féin to insert a clause in the new Trust which would have made Gerry Adams a financial beneficiary. “It came in the draft version of the new trust documents drawn up in 1994 though Adams said that it should read the president of Sinn Féin of the day. We didn’t agree to either”.

In related news, Sinn Fein Vice President Mary Lou McDonald has said anyone found to have covered up the abuse of children should be arrested: “Anyone found to be complicit in the cover up of child abuse must be arrested and made to face the full rigours of the law.”

Hodgins’ letter to the Irish News is very hard hitting; its full text, along with McDonald’s press release, follows below the jump. Full text of former hunger striker Gerard Hodgins’ letter:

Ten years ago the family of Bobby Sands asked Gerry Adams and Danny Morrison to wind up The Bobby Sands Trust; their reasons for this included they don’t believe The Bobby Sands Trust is all Gerry and Danny claim it to be.

Bobby Sands was a man of principle, a man of honour, a man of courage and a man of unblemished character. He has inspired thousands throughout the globe in their struggles for social justice and remains a beacon of hope for the oppressed, the imprisoned and the socially conscious.

In the intervening years since Bobby’s family asked Adams and Morrison to wind up the organisation they run using Bobby’s name, much has come to light about the high level of penetration of the Provisional leadership by British intelligence agencies: so much so in fact it is difficult not to juxtapose this information alongside the new found ostentatious wealth of the Provisional leadership and not conclude there is truth in there!

The latest episode on the true face behind the Provisional leadership mask is a very disturbing one, given that it concerns the rape and abuse of children and the manipulation of that heinous crime by the Police, intelligence agencies and the Provisional leadership: nobody cared for the victim, all had their own agendas.

Whether Gerry Adams remains or goes as the leader of Sinn Fein is an irrelevance to me and I wouldn’t comment on it other than to say Gerry is probably the most morally apt person to lead an organisation which appears, in its upper echelons at least, to be a depository for informers, paedophiles and God knows what else.

I would call on him to resign immediately though from The Bobby Sands Trust as I believe further association with a discredited Provisional leadership besmirches and dishonours the sacrifces Bobby and the other men of ’81 made in the name of freedom. One of Bobby’s most famous quotes is: our revenge will be the laughter of our children!

Gerry Adams is not a man who can continue this charade that he and he alone speaks for Bobby, the hunger strikers, the Blanketmen and women. Not in my name Gerry, most definitely not in my name!

Is Hodgins’ viewpoint representative of Adams’ constituency? Squinter, writing in the Andersonstown News, doesn’t think so. He puts down any concerns over Adams’ political behaviour to ‘the usual suspects’ and ‘professional Adams-bashers’ and says that the true consensus is “Adams has shown a lot of courage and class, and that he and his family should be given the time and the space to endure and to heal”.

Gerry Adams also disparages the media in his latest blog entry, which is a folksy walk through the bog meadows, dismissing the coverage of the story out of hand: “‘I’ll tell you about the ones with their own wee agenda some other time,’ I smiled. They usually write for the Sunday World, the Sunday Times, papers of that ilk. I stopped buying the Sunday papers about ten years ago. A waste of a Sunday morning. Pages of half truths, opinions, bias, lies. Better buying a decent novel’.” (Curiously, when Adams’ blog entry first went up late last night, the Irish News was also mentioned; that reference has since been removed)

Arrest and charge those complicit in child abuse cover up – McDonald
November 28, 2009

Commenting this morning on the report on clerical sexual abuse of children in the Dublin Diocese Sinn Féin Vice President Mary Lou McDonald said anyone found to have covered up the abuse of children should be arrested and face the full rigours of the law.

Ms. McDonald described the State’s child protection services as a disgrace and said sadly the abuse of children continues today.

Ms. McDonald said:

“The report on clerical sexual abuse of children in Dublin exposes how the most powerful men in the Catholic Church in the Dublin Diocese conspired to protect abusers of children. It was a gross betrayal of generations of children.

“It is especially damning that the State authorities facilitated the cover-up and allowed the Church to be beyond the reach of the law. Senior Gardai, up to and including the level of Commissioner, repeatedly turned a blind eye to crimes of clerical sexual abuse.

“Anyone, including Gardaí, found to be complicit in the cover up of child abuse must be arrested and made to face the full rigours of the law.

“The Government must take immediate action in response to the Report’s finding that the legislation governing the role of the HSE in dealing with child sexual abuse is inadequate.

“Like the Ryan Report, this report must prompt the Government to act urgently to protect vulnerable children today. Another recent report led to the closure of the facility at Ballydowd. It exposes serious deficits in standards aimed at safeguarding vulnerable children.

“Sadly child abuse is not a thing of the past and is continuing today and, to the shame of successive Governments in this state our child protection services are a disgrace. The HSE knows of cases where children are in grave danger but the services are not in place to make the interventions required.

“If the State does not put in place the services for the protection of children then it will be just as culpable as it was in the past when it facilitated the cover up of child sex abuse.” ENDS

  • padraig

    What is a ‘hunger stiker’ ?

  • Rusty Nail

    A typo, now corrected. Thanks.

  • Mr Crowley

    Padraig, sniping at typos is about the most desperate of trolling stratagems. Is the actual content of the post too challenging?

  • padraig

    You’re welcome. I mike a william off thim mysolf

  • padraig

    As I zey, I mike a million of zem mysolf. But it is not unreasonable in the heading of a submitted artical to expect it to be got right. No what I meen?

    Though I am not a spelling bee.

  • Rusty Nail

    Actually, Padraig, the headline should have read, “Fomrer Hugner Stikre Sllacs No Sadam to Gernis Rofm Dans Rustt”! 🙂

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    I applaud Gerard Hodgin for his courage.
    Mary McDonald statement,
    “The report on clerical sexual abuse of children in Dublin exposes how the most powerful men in the Catholic Church in the Dublin Diocese conspired to protect abusers of children. It was a gross betrayal of generations of children.” is profound. Will she be willing to make the same statement only taking out the Catholic Church and putting in Sinn Fein…to read like this,
    “The reports on sexual abuse of children exposes how the most powerful man in Sinn Fien conspired to protect abusers of children. It was a gross betrayal of children.”

  • Having read about the censoring of comments over at Gerrys blog Leargas I decided to try it for myself.

    I left a comment giving my views on his position re his knowledge of the alledged sexual abuse and rape of his niece.

    Surprise surprise my comment hasn’t been published.

    Remember the outcry from SF when they were censored in the media….

  • padraig

    Rusty Nail,

    Peace . May Allah continue to bless your literary efforts and may a million houris serve you in paradise.

  • iluvni

    Is there really a Bobby Sands hamburger/fast food joint in Tehran?

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi BrandIreland,
    I’ve been banned from the gerry adam’s blog for awhile…to me it highlights a classic response by a leader who is loosing control.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi iluvni, there is a street named after Bobby Sands in Tehran and it is outside the british embassy.

  • iluvni

    Kathy C,
    I know about the street, but the burger joint?
    lol!

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi iluvni, Imagine–the former Persian Empire..Iran naming a street in front of the british embassy for an Irishman who stood up to the great british empire…now that’s power. And they stood up again just a mere few years ago when england demanded Iran change the name of the street. Again, what power. We know the metal of the man Bobby Sands…now we will see regarding the hangers on…Danny Morrison, Gerry Adams and Bik what they are made of.

  • John O’Connell

    Welcome back, Rusty. I thought you had been disappeared by the lack of a post for some time.

    What’s really happening here, I dare say, is that the taint of Adams as an abused republican leader is getting to the more masculine in the republican world, who simply are not going to forgive Gerry for letting the side down. His violent campaign is not the product of choice but the product of his abusive father’s rendering him with no choice in the matter.

    I dare say that violence was the norm in Gerry Adams’ home as in many republican homes and all the myths are now gone. Gone is the myth that the rebels were motivated by the heart. They wrre motivated by their violent fathers to pursue violence according to the narrative in Gerry Adams’ story.

  • Lionel Hutz

    It does seem that this could damage Sinn Fein more in the south. Mary Lou being a hypocrit is hardly new but to go hardline against the clerics when their own pontiff is looking alot more culpable for a cover up is amusing.

    I hope they get battered again in the south and I hope the sdlp are capable of using that to their advantage. The Stoop Further party might begin to slump yet

  • tacapall

    What’s really happening here, I dare say, is that the taint of Adams as an abused republican leader is getting to the more masculine in the republican world, who simply are not going to forgive Gerry for letting the side down. His violent campaign is not the product of choice but the product of his abusive father’s rendering him with no choice in the matter.

    I dare say that violence was the norm in Gerry Adams’ home as in many republican homes and all the myths are now gone. Gone is the myth that the rebels were motivated by the heart. They wrre motivated by their violent fathers to pursue violence according to the narrative in Gerry Adams’ story.

    Does the same go for obama, brown, blair, the isreali prime minister etc going by your post. They are all men of violence.

  • Paul McMahon

    Kathy C

    Bobby Dands obviously didn’t agree with you in Bik being a “hanger on”

    JOC

    In the last paragraph of your comment you make an assumption at the beginning and at the end use it as fact to support your thesis that every IRA was motivated by a violent father.

  • Paul McMahon

    * Bobby Sands

  • padraig

    So everyone wears a black hat or a white hat. The guys in the black hats are all either abusers or abused,Tacapall.

    Reminds me of one of those old black and white cowboy films. Simplistic and dangerous.

    It reminds me also that ideas such as your own are perverted, simplistic violent and dangerous.

    A form of abuse of philosophy and ideas, another type of bigotry.

  • tacapall

    Oh Hi Padraig hows the dodo birds up there in ballygobackwards, it is quite simple you know, just because you’re brought up in eton or yale and fed in life with a silver spoon dosen’t mean that acts of violence carried out for you or by you are anymore ligitimate than those carried out by people opposing you.

  • Mr Crowley

    I think that the debate here has gotten somewhat sidetracked from the central point where the PSF vice president is calling for the arrest and charge of those involved in child abuse cover up. She’s essentially calling for the arrest and charge of her party president.

    Don’t though worry shinners, any such charges would be made to go away like those pesky membership charges.

  • tacapall

    I think that the debate here has gotten somewhat sidetracked from the central point where the PSF vice president is calling for the arrest and charge of those involved in child abuse cover up. She’s essentially calling for the arrest and charge of her party president.

    It is well publised in the media that Gerry Adams went to the police regarding his brother twice in fact and both times nothing came from it, people should be arrested and charged, but it is not Gerry Adams, it is the people that were aware of it, but authorized and facilatated Laim Adams in working with other children.

    Don’t though worry shinners, any such charges would be made to go away like those pesky membership charges.

    What has this got to do with anything ? when did this happen. Are you talking about the time the PIRA, UDA, UVF were de-proscribed, yeah the British government done that too.

  • Mr Crowley

    It is well publised in the media that Gerry Adams went to the police regarding his brother twice in fact and both times nothing came from it, people should be arrested and charged, but it is not Gerry Adams, it is the people that were aware of it, but authorized and facilatated Laim Adams in working with other children.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 07:16 PM

    FFS, G Adams can claim he went to the peelers on it but they ‘don’t comment on individual cases’ and they knew about LA anyway when his daughter reported him. Gerry allowed him to work with children in Belfast, Donegal and Dundalk. He allowed the party paper to promote LA as a youth worker as well and he was aware that LA was a paedo all the time. None of the agencies that LA worked for have any evidence that GA ever took steps to warn them. We know the RUC were scum and were probably protecting LA as an agent but why was GA protecting him and was the information about his activities used to manipulate GA?

    What has this got to do with anything ? when did this happen. Are you talking about the time the PIRA, UDA, UVF were de-proscribed, yeah the British government done that too.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 07:16 PM

    Late 70s, when the war was in full swing. McGuinness and Adams had membership charges helpfully dropped within a few months of each other. Never had to face never mind fail to recognise the court.

    It’s good to have friends in high places.

  • tacapall

    FFS, G Adams can claim he went to the peelers on it but they ‘don’t comment on individual cases’ and they knew about LA anyway when his daughter reported him. Gerry allowed him to work with children in Belfast, Donegal and Dundalk. He allowed the party paper to promote LA as a youth worker as well and he was aware that LA was a paedo all the time. None of the agencies that LA worked for have any evidence that GA ever took steps to warn them. We know the RUC were scum and were probably protecting LA as an agent but why was GA protecting him and was the information about his activities used to manipulate GA?

    So just why did Gerry Adams go to the RUC and the PSNI for then – did he know this would all become public some day and decided to lay the groundwork for his defence. Very Sneaky, Laim Adams had an accusation of child abused labelled against him but he was not charged with anything, his daughter decided not to pursue the case.

    Late 70s, when the war was in full swing. McGuinness and Adams had membership charges helpfully dropped within a few months of each other. Never had to face never mind fail to recognise the court.

    It’s good to have friends in high places.

    Was this in the six counties or the 26 ?

  • John O’Connell

    Tacapall

    Does the same go for obama, brown, blair, the isreali prime minister etc going by your post. They are all men of violence.

    Culturally yes. But Gerry Adams’ abuse took place in his family. That is the point I am making. It was not nationalist or any other noble ideal or ignoble as the case may be but it was the result of his abusive father.

    So his actions resulted in the spreading of that abuse to other families who got involved in the war that he starred in because he was unlike the majority of his people, who didn’t share his extreme masculinity because they weren’t abused by their father.

    Paul McMahon

    In the last paragraph of your comment you make an assumption at the beginning and at the end use it as fact to support your thesis that every IRA was motivated by a violent father.

    Sinn Fein can prove me wrong by electing a true warrior who was not abused by his father but chose to fight the “noble” fight on its own merits.

  • Mr Crowley

    So just why did Gerry Adams go to the RUC and the PSNI for then – did he know this would all become public some day and decided to lay the groundwork for his defence. Very Sneaky, Laim Adams had an accusation of child abused labelled against him but he was not charged with anything, his daughter decided not to pursue the case.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 07:42 PM

    You would have to ask GA that, then ask him why none of the agencies that he claims to have warned have any record of such warnings. I believe that Aine Tyrell claimed that she was persuaded to drop the charges by GA. Furthermore, you could ask GA why LA wasn’t subject to ‘community justice’ like the rest of the plebs.

    Was this in the six counties or the 26 ?
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 07:42

    The charges were made and then dropped in the 6C.

  • tacapall

    His violent campaign is not the product of choice but the product of his abusive father’s rendering him with no choice in the matter.

    Whilst respecting your views john are you suggesting that Gerry Adams got involved in The IRA not through choice but because it was fate, destiny, the results of the actions of his father and not because of the reasons everyone else got involved. Maybe he could use this in his defence, He had no choice in any of his actions they were predetermined by the actions of his father.

    Mr Crowley
    I believe that Aine Tyrell claimed that she was persuaded to drop the charges by GA.

    I have not read this anywhere but I did read that her mother said the police were more interested in recruiting her as an informer.

    I remember M McG being charged with membership in the 26 counties but not Gerry Adams but then again maybe Im wrong.

  • John O’Connell

    Tapacall

    Whilst respecting your views john are you suggesting that Gerry Adams got involved in The IRA not through choice but because it was fate, destiny, the results of the actions of his father and not because of the reasons everyone else got involved.

    The point I’m making is that Gerry Adams was conditioned to using violence by his background. He was delinquent before he had a chance to choose to be delinquent.

  • Paul McMahon

    JOC in your 5.05 you make the assertion, based on an objective assunption, that EVERY IRA volunteer was motivated by an abusive father.

    “Sinn Fein can prove me wrong by electing a true warrior who was not abused by his father but chose to fight the “noble” fight on its own merits”

    Firstly. are you really so meglomaniacal that you truly believe that SF would be worried about your unfounded accusations written on a blog?

    In what context are you suggesting the Adams Jr was abused by Adams Sr?

  • tacapall

    The point I’m making is that Gerry Adams was conditioned to using violence by his background. He was delinquent before he had a chance to choose to be delinquent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_delinquency

    Youth crime is a major issue and is an aspect of crime which receives great attention from the news media and politicians. Crime committed by young people has risen since the mid-twentieth century, as have most types of crime. The level and types of youth crime can be used by commentators as an indicator of the general state of morality and law and order in a country

    Maybe your right John but you cannot cherrypick one of many definations of the word and then use it as fact as the basis of your arguement, What about the last sentence of the the description of delinquency.

  • Mr Crowley

    I have not read this anywhere but I did read that her mother said the police were more interested in recruiting her as an informer.

    I remember M McG being charged with membership in the 26 counties but not Gerry Adams but then again maybe Im wrong.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 08:13 PM

    It was standard procedure to silence abuse victims and prevent them from going to the RUC; numerous such cases have come to light. Aine Tyrell was encouraged to let the RM deal with the issue; i.e. drop the charges. It was the failure of the RM to effect any kind of resolution that caused her to go public.

    As regards the charges, MMG served a sentence for membership in the 26 but both he and were charged in the 6. MMG had his charges dropped in 77 or 78 and Adams had his charges dropped in 78 http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/members/biogs_07/adams_g.htm

  • tacapall

    It was standard procedure to silence abuse victims and prevent them from going to the RUC; numerous such cases have come to light. Aine Tyrell was encouraged to let the RM deal with the issue; i.e. drop the charges. It was the failure of the RM to effect any kind of resolution that caused her to go public.

    This sounds unbelievable – wheres your proof and as regards Adams membership charges it says dismissed not dropped there is a difference.

  • Scaramoosh

    The whole of Irish society has been involved in a cover up for the past 81 years.

  • Mr Crowley

    This sounds unbelievable – wheres your proof and as regards Adams membership charges it says dismissed not dropped there is a difference.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 08:55 PM

    What’s so unbelievable about GA being protected from prosecution; would you prefer to believe that he had a guardian angel? Did he write that on his blog or something?

  • John O’Connell

    Paul McMahon

    Firstly. are you really so meglomaniacal that you truly believe that SF would be worried about your unfounded accusations written on a blog?

    In what context are you suggesting the Adams Jr was abused by Adams Sr?

    1. They’re worried alright. Our day has come.

    2. In the context that he was an abusive father who used sexual, physical and emotional abuse. Physical and emotional abuse is something that affects all the family. I don’t know who was sexually abused but this is usually a matter of choice for the father as to who he thinks he can get away with it with, I presume.

  • John O’Connell

    Tacapall

    The point I make is that there is a stigma attaching to those who suffer from abuse and who end up abusive themselves. The word deliquent doesn’t adequately describe it but it is broadly there.

    Gerry Adams was politically delinquent because of the abuse that made him lack empathy for those who suffer the effects of violence.

  • Paul McMahon

    Do you think that this SF worry is a result of your actions and do you really think that SF would elect a new President to prove something to you?

    Do you think that Adams Jr was abused? He claims that until he discovered the revelations regarding his father he thought that the family had a normal, loving father

    Do you still stand by your former claims that every IRA volunteer was the product of an abusive father?

    Who are ‘we’in ‘our day has come’?

  • tacapall

    Mr Crowley

    Thats a nice story something wilbur smith would write fiction not fact.

    JOH
    Well haven’t you been here before ! Thats a lot of thinking your doing, what about “empathy” its a fact that victims of of violence become afraid they fear it this leads to having empathy for others who suffer it.

  • John O’Connell

    Paul McMahon

    Do you think that Adams Jr was abused? He claims that until he discovered the revelations regarding his father he thought that the family had a normal, loving father

    Yes. He had a normal, loving father in the sense that he thought that everybody’s father was phsyically, psychologically and emotionally abusive.

    Yes.

    We are us. The Christians.

    Tapacall

    Sometimes they don’t.

  • Paul McMahon

    How can you say that JOC, are you privy to Adams feelings?

    Perhaps you had trouble understanding the ” until he discovered the revelations regarding his father” part of my last post?

    “We are us. The Christians”

    For someone who claims to be a Christian your posts reek of a nasty undercurrent, I’m not sure of what it is but I’d be pretty sure that it would fit into one if not more of the seven deadly sins.

    I also note that you have studiously ignored the third question in my previous post. A moment of clarity?

  • tacapall

    Sometimes they don’t.

    Well John theres a bit of doubt there, because the flip side of that is that they do and to be honest the way describe it makes it look like a scene out of the film deliverance hardly believable the majority of child abusers keep their actions private, alone and a secret.

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr Crowley

    Thats a nice story something wilbur smith would write fiction not fact.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 10:04 PM

    Dishonest and cowardly response tapacall. Whether the charge was dismissed by a state employed judge or dropped by a state employed prosecution is irrelevant; they took their orders from the same people.
    It was particularly fortuitous for Adams considering that they had his finger and hand prints on file from a car used in a double killing in 1971.
    This wasn’t the end of Gerry’s good fortune in regard to this issue as links to an article concerning the prints were removed from his wiki page by someone inside the Vatican. No wonder he’s still praising the Christian brothers on his blog.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6947532.stm
    Rather than this been a Wilbur Smith Fiction it’s reality and I have provided the links. The authors of Adams’ good fortune are more likely to have had names like Oakfield or Oatley.

  • John O’Connell

    I. You get to read between the lines sometimes. That’s how.

    THird Qn in last post. Answer:- I dunno but I assume that they must be as their leader is.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “Surprise surprise my comment hasn’t been published.”

    You need to be more subtle. This guy below I think has the hang of it.

    Anonymous Mr Reality said…

    Your strength and courage in facing the present situation is nothing more than I would expect from someone of your stature. Stay strong Gerry, and best wishes.

    December 22, 2009 11:56 PM

  • tacapall

    Mr Crowley are you saying every person who was found not guilty was done a favour by the british ?
    and the vatican story well what can i say but well done Dan, the last time I believed anything thats got anything to do with the BBC was when i saw a colour tv for the first time.

  • Dixie Elliott

    A brave and courageous letter by Hodgkies who has put into words what the majority of former Republican prisoners believe.

    Adams, Morrison etc can lay claim to the dead because they can’t speak for themselves, but they can’t speak for the living and for the last few years they spoke by their absence at Provisional controlled commemorations when that party had to had hand out white shirts and black ties to people who never spent a day in prison in order to fill out the lines of supposed former prisoners.

    Those attending the Galbally Hunger Strike commemoration this year spoke when they walked away before the parade reached the field leaving only a few hundred to listen to Adams and company.

    Bobby Sands said….”They will not criminalise us, rob us of our true identity, steal our individualism, depoliticise us, churn us out as systematised, institutionalised, decent law-abiding robots. Never will they label our liberation struggle as criminal.”

    Sadly that has happened under the Adamsite leadership and the Movement of which Bobby was a proud member is now nothing more than a cult in which government sponsored community jobs are the crumbs that keep the faithful happy in their sheep like existence.

  • Mr Crowley

    Tacapall, your superfeejit powers are no match for the truth. I produce links and you counter with inanity. You really should run along before you embarrass yourself any further.

  • tacapall

    #

    Tacapall, your superfeejit powers are no match for the truth. I produce links and you counter with inanity. You really should run along before you embarrass yourself any further.
    Posted by Mr Crowley on Dec 29, 2009 @ 11:22 PM

    Mr Crowley I mean you no insult, but untill you produce cast iron evidence Im sorry but to me, your story is fiction

  • heamaisbharney

    Good post Rusty Nail and fair play to Hodgins for having the courage to stand up for the truth. I hadn’t heard about the ‘board’ of the Bobby Sands Trust and am shocked to discover that I can still be shocked at this stage.

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr Crowley I mean you no insult, but untill you produce cast iron evidence Im sorry but to me, your story is fiction
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 29, 2009 @ 11:29 PM

    Be a good troll now and tell me what specifically you consider to be fiction. It’s hard to tell as you haven’t actually challenged anything, merely evaded and obscured.

    Off you go, what don’t you believe?

  • Danny O’Connor

    So is MLM going to do the decent thing and ensure that the same standards are applied within SF and that anyone complicit be made to face the full rigours of the law.
    Maybe its just that GA mis-remembered,always look on the bright side ,or maybe he was Lying .

  • tacapall

    Well lots of people would have had to be involved, Do you think Adams run the IRA on his own, more people would have needed to be compromised and they would have all had to be in the leadership of the IRA, for all that has happened and for all that to take place would have been taken colectivly not adams on his own. I dont believe anything that comes from the bbc their the enemy.

  • Dixie Elliott

    25.Gerard Hodgins(sic) has nothing between his ears. He is being tutored by someone. Who and why?

    Posted by socaire

    Ah brave anonymous poster and Adamsite cult member, do tell me where did all the money come from for the bars, taxi firms, landlordism and other enterprises owned by the party loyalists?

  • Mr Crowley

    Thought as much. Massive fail, now run along.

  • tacapall

    #

    Thought as much. Massive fail, now run along.
    Posted by Mr Crowley on Dec 30, 2009 @ 12:03 AM

    Well your entitled to your oponion but because I dont believe it your doing a Laim Adams impression, Mmm maybe you know where he’s coming from.

  • Mr Crowley

    Well your entitled to your oponion but because I dont believe it your doing a Laim Adams impression, Mmm maybe you know where he’s coming from.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 30, 2009 @ 12:10 AM

    Which Adams are you misspelling here; Liam Adams or Lame Adams? [see commenting policy – edited moderator] Your projection here is a further indication of your desperation and moral bankruptcy

  • tacapall

    Which Adams are you misspelling here; Liam Adams or Lame Adams? [see commenting policy – edited moderator] Your projection here is a further indication of your desperation and moral bankruptcy

    Must have hit a raw nerve there, but abusers are abusers aren’t they. Im just following your logic !

  • Mr Crowley

    Must have hit a raw nerve there, but abusers are abusers aren’t they. Im just following your logic !
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 30, 2009 @ 12:38 AM

    No, you are merely trolling and indulging in weasel like projection. But seeing as you have raised the issue of Liam Adams again, whom Gerry believes to be a paedophile, do you believe that Gerry took adequate and appropriate steps to warn parents whose children may have been endangered in the 22 years that GA has claimed to have known that LA was a paedophile; particularly considering that LA was a youth worker in West Belfast from 1998-2006?

  • tacapall

    No, you are merely trolling and indulging in weasel like projection. But seeing as you have raised the issue of Liam Adams again, whom Gerry believes to be a paedophile, do you believe that Gerry took adequate and appropriate steps to warn parents whose children may have been endangered in the 22 years that GA has claimed to have known that LA was a paedophile; particularly considering that LA was a youth worker in West Belfast from 1998-2006?

    Trolling ! The only way to find truth nowdays isn’t it, not going to be a sheep now am I believing anything people tell me.

    No Gerry Adams didn’t take adequate and appropriate steps, he said so himself. As regards the youth clubs, well thats the question we all want answered.

  • Mr Crowley

    Trolling ! The only way to find truth nowdays isn’t it, not going to be a sheep now am I believing anything people tell me.

    No Gerry Adams didn’t take adequate and appropriate steps, he said so himself. As regards the youth clubs, well thats the question we all want answered.
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 30, 2009 @ 12:57 AM

    You’re fairly content to believe anything that GA says. Do you also believe that he wasn’t in the IRA and hasn’t bought a Sunday paper in 10 years?

  • tacapall

    You’re fairly content to believe anything that GA says. Do you also believe that he wasn’t in the IRA and hasn’t bought a Sunday paper in 10 years?

    Im certainly NOT content with everything he says, I dont even vote, never have, as for the IRA question – please thats an enigma, Sunday paper – little white lie. close conections with his brother – love, loyalty, empathy, well need I say more but that all added up does not make him out to be what your suggesting.

  • heamaisbharney

    tacapall

    did you really mean ’empathy’ in terms of Gerry and Liam Adams? Are you suggesting that Gerry could feel ’empathy’ for a man accused of incest in the form of child rape?

  • Mr Crowley

    Why devote so much of your time and effort to his defense?

  • tacapall

    “Empathy for his brother”. as for other people, ununderstanding perhaps.

    Why devote so much of your time and effort to his defense?

    I make no apoligies for being an Irishman and what we hear on the news these days well its like media marketting, something in the way of your agenda or progress just destroy it.

  • Blair

    tacapall,

    What defines an Irishman these days?

  • tacapall

    What defines an Irishman these days?

    I can only speak for myself but to me, I will never forget the starvation of the irish people, twice, some people call it the famine, but lets be honest. My ancestors survived that and war and whatever else her enimies subjected her to. I am not bitter nor do I hold any grudge, but thats what makes me Irish.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathy Collins

    Maybe it’s time for the Bobby Sands trust to be turned over to…Bobby Sands son.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “My ancestors survived that”

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  • Paul McMahon

    “You get to read between the lines sometimes. That’s how”

    So, again basing your assetion on a subjective interpretation by ‘reading between the lines’?

    “I dunno but I assume that they must be as their leader is”

    Another ‘fact’ based on selective assumption JOC?

    I wonder how Eamonn De Valera, Fidel Castro, Nelson Mandela etc were abused by their fathers?

  • Brian MacAodh

    Jimmy Sands, hilarious

    JOC, come off it man. For the 2nd coming of Christ you seemed to be filled with hate and venom.

    Mr Crowley-you are convinced Gerry is a British agent?

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr Crowley-you are convinced Gerry is a British agent?
    Posted by Brian MacAodh on Dec 30, 2009 @ 04:39 PM

    I believe that he has long been surrounded by compromise, coupled with British intelligence services contact.
    At the very least he was most definitely manipulated by the British and has shown considerable traits of self preservation at any cost.
    Add to this the fact that the British made any serious effort to prosecute or liquidate him despite what would have to have been considerable evidence against him, both physical and circumstantial, and he appears more and more questionable as time goes on.
    His actions have certainly aided the British cause more than the Irish Republican cause so it would be fair to call him a British asset imo.

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr Crowley-you are convinced Gerry is a British agent?
    Posted by Brian MacAodh on Dec 30, 2009 @ 04:39 PM

    I believe that he has long been surrounded by compromise, coupled with British intelligence services contact.
    At the very least he was most definitely manipulated by the British and has shown considerable traits of self preservation at any cost.
    Add to this the fact that the British never made any serious effort to prosecute or liquidate him despite what would have to have been considerable evidence against him, both physical and circumstantial, and he appears more and more questionable as time goes on.
    His actions have certainly aided the British cause more than the Irish Republican cause so it would be fair to call him a British asset imo.

  • John O’Connell

    Brian MacAodh

    JOC, come off it man. For the 2nd coming of Christ you seemed to be filled with hate and venom.

    Leave the spin behind, Brian.

    I don’t hate anybody but I get slightly elated when a wait of 23 years is over (since I worked out Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley at 666) and the Antichrist is exposed and defeated by his own family. The best part is that it didn’t have to be me who defeated him as I don’t think I fancy being attacked by his deluded followers for the rest of my life. Same went for Paisley of course.

  • tacapall

    On 14 March 1984, Adams was seriously wounded in an assassination attempt when several Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF) gunmen fired about twenty shots into the car in which he was travelling. After the shooting, under-cover plain clothes police officers seized three suspects who were later convicted and sentenced.[11] One of the three was John Gregg. Adams claimed that the British army had prior knowledge of the attack and allowed it to go ahead.[12]

    So British agents were trying to kill another British agent and why would this suit the British.

  • John O’Connell

    tacapall

    ‘The inhabitants worshipped the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed,’ (Rev 13:12).

  • tacapall

    tacapall

    ‘The inhabitants worshipped the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed,’ (Rev 13:12).

    John do me a favour, I think her upstairs is a witch, is there any chance of sending round the witchfinder general to burn her at the stake, she’s giving me evil looks I think she cast a spell on me.

  • Reader

    tacapall: My ancestors survived that …
    So your ancestors ate while their neighbours starved. So what’s the difference between the Irish and the English other than that your Irish ancestors had a better view?

  • tacapall

    So your ancestors ate while their neighbours starved. So what’s the difference between the Irish and the English other than that your Irish ancestors had a better view?

    I suppose they stole food, got help from the Quakers, drank the blood of animals, some were probably hung for that, the lords and ladies didn’t want their fat cows going thin maybe. The difference being the English exported tons of food out of the country while the Irish survived it, just like their culture, their language and their spirit. Perfidious Albion as they say.

  • Brian MacAodh

    “On 14 March 1984, Adams was seriously wounded in an assassination attempt when several Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF) gunmen fired about twenty shots into the car in which he was travelling. After the shooting, under-cover plain clothes police officers seized three suspects who were later convicted and sentenced.[11] One of the three was John Gregg. Adams claimed that the British army had prior knowledge of the attack and allowed it to go ahead.[12]

    So British agents were trying to kill another British agent and why would this suit the British. ”

    They did have prior knowledge. They also substituted the ammo or sabotaged the gun to make the bullets less deadly. What all this comes out to I have no idea. In this Dirty War it seems like nothing is as they seemm sometimes.

  • tacapall

    They did have prior knowledge. They also substituted the ammo or sabotaged the gun to make the bullets less deadly. What all this comes out to I have no idea. In this Dirty War it seems like nothing is as they seemm sometimes.

    True ! But then he almost died and so did others, the shooting was indiscriminate they raked the car. Although he wasn’t, but he could have easily been shot in the head, pure chance that he wasn’t. Very risky way to give the illusion that a high ranking agent wasn’t a high ranking agent.

  • John O’Connell

    tacapall

    About the witch upstairs, I hope she turns you into a human being one of these days, not an excuser of republicanism.

  • tacapall

    Sorry John, couldn’t help it, but im not religious.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Being as this thread is about the Bobby Sands Trust…

    Why don’t the Sands family just publish Bobby’s writings and poetry themselves and defy those who high-jacked his name and legacy to sue them…

    I would doubt they would sue.

  • tacapall

    Well they Do belong and legally should, to the Sands family.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    Or Gordon Lightfoot

  • Paul McMahon

    Re my 12.27 JOC?

  • Paul McMahon

    “After the shooting, under-cover plain clothes police officers seized three suspects who were later convicted and sentenced.[11] One of the three was John Gregg”

    Who were the other two?

  • John O’Connell

    Paul McMahon

    Do you really depend so much on my answers that you’ll wait days for them?

    I wonder how Eamonn De Valera, Fidel Castro, Nelson Mandela etc were abused by their fathers?

    I would flatter the republican movement by assuming that Gerry Adams is in the same league as these men. None of these men have engaged in the commission of crimes against their own people. None has admitted that they were brought up by an abusive father, but Gerry Adams has.

  • Brian MacAodh

    I do agree that putting Gerry in the category of those men is ridiculous. But…

    ” None of these men have engaged in the commission of crimes against their own people.”

    Fidel Castro’s regime killed more people in its first 6 years than Adolf Hitler’s regime did in its first 6 years. Political prisoners were routinely imprisoned and tortured. I don’t know if they are still tortured now but they are imprisoned indefinately.

  • John O’Connell

    I stand corrected, Brian. I should have realised really though.

  • Paul McMahon

    “Do you really depend so much on my answers that you’ll wait days for them”

    I’m afraid that your conceited egomania is showing agin JOC.

    Adams is not in the same league as any of these men they were analogous is dispelling your claim that men of violence are motivated by abusive fathers.

  • John O’Connell

    Paul McMahon

    I don’t think so somehow. It disproves nothing.

    A lack of empathy is at the root of the personality of violent leaders. Whether it comes from abuse in their childhoods is neither here nor there. Hate arises from any number of sources but is expressed through more hate either in the form of violence or a sense of superiority that often leads to violence ( as we in NI all know)..

  • Paul McMahon

    “Whether it comes from abuse in their childhoods is neither here nor there”

    Then why did you claim men of violence were motivated by abusive fathers?

    “Hate arises from any number of sources”

    What source does your hatred of SF emanate from?

  • John O’Connell

    Paul McMahon

    Then why did you claim men of violence were motivated by abusive fathers?

    Because some of them are.

    What source does your hatred of SF emanate from?

    I have no hatred of SF, only pity that they cannot live truthful, loving lives. But Gerry Adams is the Antichrist and SF is his vehicle.