Fianna Fáil “don’t have an MLA”

Following ‘Fianna Fáil arrives’, something is due from Fianna Fáil within the hour. Hard to say what, exactly, it will say but it will be interesting to read. It does look like the soldiers aren’t quite ready to open a Northern front just yet.

  • Pete Baker

    Jason

    Gerry McHugh’s line is that he isn’t a Fianna Fáil MLA, he’s an MLA who happens to be a member of Fianna Fáil.

    The speculation on Stormont Live was that when Fianna Fáil were processing his application, someone didn’t twig that they were signing up an MLA.

  • Dave

    If FF acknowledge this MLA and de facto sit in a British parliment in Northern Ireland, they should be forced to resign from government office in Ireland. We cannot have a government that acts to further the national interest of another country and the direct expense of the national interest of the country that elects them. They need to decide if they are loyal to Ireland or to Her Majesty.

  • Earth to Dave,

    It is not necessary to be ‘loyal to Her Majesty’ to be an MLA. If you think McHugh is, then you’re way out of touch.

  • eric

    “They need to decide if they are loyal to Ireland or to Her Majesty”

    Eh, that goes for all the Sinn Fein and SDLP MLAs aswell? Norn Iron is that simple a place…

    It is believed there are a number of other public reps that are members of Fianna Fail that have not been “outed”. Unlike McHugh who is an independent, these are SDLP reps, so outing them would result in their expulsion. If Margaret Richie wanted to lose Alisdair a few votes, this would be the way to do it…

    In fairness to McHugh, he states quite clearly in the Irish News article, “I do not claim to be a Fianna Fail MLA, but I am an MLA who is a member of Fianna Fail”. This is similar to the Independent councillors that are members of the Labour Party.

    It certainally is a new departure that a Fianna Fail member is a member of the NI assembly (no SDLP MLAs have admitted to Labour Party membership), but it does not mean that Fianna Fail is running in elections here – yet.

  • Dave

    My feet are on the ground, Horseman. Your feet, however, are obscured by the clouds.

    It’ll be interesting to hear FF Ireland call for patriotic action by Irish shoppers to refrain from boosting the receipts of the British exchequer at the direct expense of the Irish economy while FF Northern Ireland demand that Irish shoppers express their patriotism to Her Majesty by boosting said exchequer. If that promises future amusement, I can’t wait for the hilarity that ensues when FF demands that FDI investment of circa 500 million such as the next blue chip company drawn by the IDA is based in Her Majesty’s United Kingdom rather than in Ireland on the basis that it is patriotic of Irish taxpayers to finance through incentives and grants jobs in another sovereign state. Now doubt MI5 (whore have a role in promoting the UK economic interest) will be wetting themselves laughing at that, and thinking that allowing a few wins on the horses for certain southern folks was well worth it.

    If FF decide to serve the national interest of another state, then they must be rejected in this state.

  • eric

    I think you will find that down South Fianna Fail do not puruse the National Interest, just whatever parish pump constituency interest that will get them elected.

    On that basis they would do quite well up here

  • Dave,

    Your point of view implies that, by definition, no politician can be a separatist. That would certainly come as a surprise to the SF, SDLP, SNP and Plaid Cymru reps, not to mention those in many other countries.

    Does it go for public servants too? Shoppers? Recipients of state benefits?

    What a wonderfully black and white world you must live in!

  • Dave, even Dev took the oath eventually…..

  • LabourNIman

    even if FF did have an MLA in the assembly, it’s likely he will be wiped out come the next election. So lets move on from this flash in the pan.

  • Republican_Left

    Is the oath to enter stormont not different? I believe the oath there doesnt actually mention any loyalty to the queen, merely a dedication to peaceful means only, maybe im wrong

  • LabourNIman

    Dave – if memory serves the Greens down south and the greens here are more or less the same party – are you holding the Greens in RoI to the same standards as FF?

  • Harry

    I don’t get why Fianna Fail are so interested in Northern Politics – it’s a completely different jurisdiction from the South and any representation FF get in the North, they will be representatives in British institutions be it Westminster or Stormont. I also beleive that FF have been completely embarrased by this McHugh drama – they didn’t know he was an MLA when he signed up to join the party?

    With FF in the North and with the Tories also taking a more active role in Northern Ireland together with UKIP, I wonder whether N Ireland will become a battleground where British Politics meets Irish Politics, and how long before Labour, Lib Dems, and Fine Gael come to Northern Ireland?

  • K. Gough

    It has been known for a good while that McHugh was interested in joining another party and Fianna Fail was mentioned in many circles so im pretty sure Fianna Fail would have been aware or atleast the organisers of the northern fianna fail.

    There are SDLP councillors who attended the meeting of Fianna Fail in Downpatrick who were openly stating their intentions to become Fianna Fail Cllrs. however they have been waiting for the nod from Fianna Fail. I think with this McHugh business a few of these ones will ‘come out’ so to speak.

    Fianna Fail have just as much a right to contest elections in the north as the conservatives have so i dont see why certain followers of this blog seem to be aghast at the suggestion.

    I know of quite a few unionists who have shown their delight at Fianna Fail organising up here because it will split the nationalist vote 3 ways.

  • eric

    “There are SDLP councillors who attended the meeting of Fianna Fail in Downpatrick who were openly stating their intentions to become Fianna Fail Cllrs. however they have been waiting for the nod from Fianna Fail.”

    I suppose they will wait to see the outcome of the SDLP leadership election. If Big Al loses they and many like minded SDLP reps will defect to Fianna Fail. McHugh’s “coming out” as a Fianna Fail member has upped the stakes in the SDLP leadership election. I don’t see guys like Patsy McGlone MLA hanging about if the SDLP vote for the HQ continuity candidate.

  • Paul

    I hope common ground can be found between the SDLP and Fianna fail so as to move Irish politics forward in NI

  • [i]I hope common ground can be found between the SDLP and Fianna fail so as to move Irish politics forward in NI[/i]

    Hmm, that comment was really worth bringing back a 3 -week-old thread. Common ground on which issues? Would it be the generous tax loopholes for property developers? Or perhaps the slashing of jobseeker’s allowance for young people? Maybe even a bit of gunrunning or undue leniency towards paedophile priests à la Michael Woods? If Fianna Fail move Northern Ireland forward in the manner they have moved the Republic then I’ll buy my plane ticket in advance.

  • Mack

    nineteensixtyseven –

    Or perhaps the slashing of jobseeker’s allowance for young people?

    Why focus on the immediate direction? It’s still between 50% and three times higher in the south?

    Mostly increased to those levels by FF.

    Would it be the generous tax loopholes for property developers?

    They went far too far here. But compare say inner-city Dublin today, to that of 20-25 years ago (hint:- what is now Temple Bar was a slum & what of the IFSC?).

  • Alias

    FF can’t be all bad if the SDLP wets hate them.