SF will/will not take part in education initiatives sponsored by newspapers – delete as appropriate?

I’m sure by now John O’Dowd is used to digging the Education Minister out of a hole, but I wonder if he would’ve expected her to land him in one?

On Monday’s Nolan show (circa 30mins in) he was very clear that SF doesn’t like, support or take part in campaigns sponsored by newspapers. He dismissed the talks emerging out of the Belfast Telegraph’s ‘Sit Down – Sort it Out’ campaign on the grounds that they are ‘driven by a profit-making private corporation’. O’Dowd went on to laud the Education Committee as the appropriate body for discussion and gave listeners an enthralling lesson on the roots of its constitutional legitimacy all the way back to the Good Friday Agreement.

It would be interesting to know what he thinks of the Belfast Media Group’s new campaign to ‘end the 11 plus’? His colleague Catriona Ruane is certainly fulsome in her praise, “I commend the Belfast Media Group in initiating this campaign”.

And just as an aside, since the Minister takes great delight in tell anyone who is still listening to her the 11 plus has “gone” why is she supporting a campaign to end it?

I’m not sure even a grammar school education would help you figure out that little conundrum?

  • wild turkey

    “I’m not sure even a grammar school education would help you figure out that little conundrum? ”

    … how about a campaign to ‘end the BelfastMediaGroup Groupies’ ?

    tennis anyone?

  • aquifer

    I hear the Grammar school tests are great. Everybody passes. The ‘Quali’ was a test at least, not a ‘keep out’ sign.

    Why so poor kids do badly in education:
    A lack of:
    Application: Sticking at a task
    Self Control: Emotional control, is not put off by a failure
    Empathy: Social responsiveness

    This is about parenting, lots of the damage is done by age 4. Post WW2 households did better than now. Two parents are better but government can’t say that nowadays.

    Maybe we should save a lot of time and effort and have kids do the the marshmallow test.

    If they can leave one alone for a while, they are told they will get two. How many kids would pass?

    How many will be given the whole bag one by one, never get two, and die of diabetes?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Cusack,

    this story is a little short of meat.

  • igor

    Sammy

    So is the Minister, at least in the policy Department. Poor John O’Dowd trying to keep on top of the latest shambles.

    By the way has the BMG now given up on its last stunning campaign to ban Imperialist British Chicken from the gobs of residents of West Belfast?

    This one will probably have the same success. In theory nationalist parents will support it but if wee Sean shows a chance of place at the Grammar they will be us the street like a shot to have him assessed and have a wee chat with the Head Master

  • Pete Baker

    Good spot, Cusack.

    In answer to your question in the post title,

    “SF will/will not take part in education initiatives sponsored by newspapers [unless those newspapers toe the party line]”

  • Pace Parent

    Long live the 11-plus. The campaign to abolish academic selection at 11 has failed miserably yet not one single educationalist who promoted the ending of testing of schoolchildren has been held to account. Today teachers and pupils assess themselves and the consequences are just beginning to filter through. The moral panic created by the self-interested employees of the various education sectors and promulgated by the BBC would be risible if it wasn’t so costly. Who actually gives a damn about the creation of ESA? – parents who want good schools and good teaching. Perhaps David Cameron gave some appreciation as to the risks involved when he pointed out that two things don’t work when it comes to sensitive matters such as policing and schools. The first is central command (ESA) because it demoralises local administrators. The second is local autonomy (Local Area Planning)because it leads to group-think and a kind of petty feudalism.
    Back to the Future time for politicians and educationalists. BBC Hearts and Minds gave the first platform to a commentator, Lindsay Allen who spelled out what most parents already know – the crisis has been created by those who wish to pull up the ladder of opportunity, while pretending that they have even the slightest bit of interest in the welfare of children. The tide has turned.

  • DC

    Pace Parent, the key word being choice. I’ve always been in favour of choice and if things work.

    And on that note re the tests and parents and kids going for them – who can blame them?

  • PACE Parent

    DC,
    Parents and their children have been victims of multiple robberies. All involved choice. The first robbery was committed by the education academics who provided paid advice to the DENI on the selective system of education in Northern Ireland. The next series of robberies were carried out by gangs of key influencers (Gavin Boyd’s term)apparently contributing to various Reports. (Burns, Costello etc.)Their meetings (some resident) took place in locations such as The Sleive Donard Hotel, The Dunadry Hotel, The Hilton Hotel, The Stormont Hotel. No total of the costs has ever been made public but such locations do not come cheap.
    The next crime was the use of academic selection by Peter Hain the Secretary of State as a bribe to restore the Executive. The DUP have been living off that device ever since but incompetently failed to secure a method of academic selection at 11.
    The biggest robberies of all were carried out by Sinn Fein ministers, Martin McGuinness and Caitriona Ruane, who both despise all things British (except tennis). They acted to impose diktats banning a regulated method of transfer at 11. They continue to believe that they are unaccountable to the people (not just their own) and have been able to hold the entire political body in Northern Ireland to ransom.
    Some choice DC when the taxpayer pays the salaries for dictators and parents must pay at least twice for their children’s education.

  • Brendan,Belfast

    I guess the answer to the conundrum is this:

    1. If The Tele can have a campaign then so can we!

    2. SF: we will suport your campaign if it backs us up!

    3. Poor John O’Dowd: scrap what I said earlier about newspaper backed campaigns.

    The 11+ and the wider educatino mismanagement is becoming a real albatross for SF. Is the issue on which they finally get ‘punished’ by the electorate?

  • PACE Parent

    So who among Slugger bloggers will follow the money?

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    The 11+ and the wider educatino mismanagement is becoming a real albatross for SF. Is the issue on which they finally get ‘punished’ by the electorate?

    I’d imagine most SF voters don’t give a toss about the 11 plus.

  • cindy jada

    I gather you want to be an elementary school teacher. High school teachers and above major in their subject areas, not in education. If this is what you pursue, be aware that your ed courses will cause your brain cells to die in clumps. That isn’t to discourage you from the career… it’s a wonderful career, but the path to it can be at times painful.sound engineering school

  • Seimi

    ‘I’d imagine most SF voters don’t give a toss about the 11 plus.’ – the future’s bright…

    Could you elaborate on this?