Has the UUP got an Irish language strategy; and if not why not?

Great thread over at Unionist Lite in which O’Neill asks if the UUP has a coherent strategy on the Irish language and if not, why not?

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  • Doodle Dandy

    I expect they don’t have a policy on flying saucers either. Go figure.

  • Guest

    I expect they don’t have policy.

  • Drumlins Rock

    I know a UUP member who put that question direct to Danny at a public meeting, cant remember the answer but dont think there is anything definate ATM, however the idea has been discussed at times and hasnt been rejected out of hand, the member who is a fluent Irish Speaker (and an orangeman) offered to help with the stratedgy, not sure if he has been taken up on his offer yet lol.

  • borderline

    They will find that their new mates in the Tories have policies in Wales and Scotland.

    Then again the Tories really are British…….

  • andrew white

    Then again the Tories really are British……

    as are the welsh and scottish, not the irish

  • Guest

    not least 7 eights

  • DC

    Even if they don’t have a strategy, it’s still better than the SDLP’s proposal.

    In the SDLP’s bill, they want translations to be done simultaneously, can you imagine it, putting on headsets to hear broken Irish being translated, even the vast majority in both the SDLP and SF would have to don headsets or plug in earphones.

    What a silly spectacle.

  • Guest

    Dc,

    Agree entirely.it’s nonsense.The language needs to be built for the new generation and parliament is not the place to begin.school is where it should begin,by choice.any elected member should have the right to speak in Irish but I think for the meantime
    they should then repeat in English for basic economic logic.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    The economic arguments in favour of a second langauge are very difficult to make and the main non cultural arguements advanced by Welsh language advocates is the improvment for learners in general language learning and related areas.

    It is quite clear from the recent behaviour of the UUP (e.g. GAA on BBC and Tescos) that they are nowhere near comfortable enough in their own Unionist skin (perhaps understandalbly with the warfare in Unionism) for any significant progress to be made in this area for fear of eroding their diminishing electoral base further, particulalry at a time of crisis for Unionism – which now appears to be its natural state.

    There are many contributory reasons for the Welsh language success story but perhaps the main ingredients are the many enthusiasts who continue to see it as an excellent way to promote and maintain their National identity – and as we know for (unfortunate) historical reasons in Ireland the people who the UUP rely on for votes are unlikely, at least in the short term, to ever fall into the enthusiast category.

    It looks like Stormo will be embarassed into complying with EU law in this area and all the parties will be obliged to subscribe to a langauge policy – but without parental pressure for places in Primary education and enthusiasts prepared to teach it – it will be largely a waste of time.

  • borderline

    Mo Dhia,

    after all the Free State went through, and despite all the sociolinguists tell us, there are still people like Guest who believe…

    “school is where it should begin”

  • fair_deal

    “into complying with EU law in this area”

    What EU law?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    fair_deal,

    perhaps not legally enforceable.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8266962.stm

  • Engineer

    “promote National identity”, eh?

    English is, and will continue to be, spoken by the majority of the people in Ireland and is therefore much more part of the ‘National identity’ than Irish is.

    This is a good thing as it allows Ireland to communicate effectively in one of the world’s major languages. Irish is at best a second language (second to English), dare I say a hobby language, its promotion is a special interest to a small minority on the island, it will never again be the language of business, commerce or mainstream social dialogue.

    How this came to be is history, it is now time to blow the celtic mist away.

  • The Truth

    You got a lot of hatred there Engineer, enough to give you a coronory.

  • ersehole

    Engineer,

    “dare I say a hobby language”

    back to your meccano set and the spot cream laddie

  • John Hammond

    I think you need to rephrase that question:

    “Has the UUP got a strategy; and if not why not?”

  • Engineer

    “hatred”? No more of a realist.

    Don’t confuse saying how it is with an emotional position.

    I don’t care enough about Irish to be affected by it one way or another. I’m looking at it from a rational point of view and my conclusion is that it is never going to be the ‘national’ language ever again. English has won that battle, if battle it ever was.

    Try to look past your own emotional response that lead you to such petty jibes and you’ll see I’m calling it as it is.