“Mr Adams insists that the Sinn Fein project remains on track.”

BBC NI political editor Mark Devenport’s Newsline report on Sinn Féin’s identity crisis in Ireland may, or may not, appear online at some point – and Chris collated some other links on the subject. In the meantime, ahead of a special meeting of the party’s Ard Chomhairle, Oireachtas members and Northern Ireland MLAs, and the party’s “middle tier of leadership” on August 10th, here’s Mark’s blogged account of what former Wexford Sinn Féin councillor John Dwyer told him.

John lost his seat on Wexford County Council but still sits on New Ross town council. New Ross was a port of departure for people escaping the famine 150 years ago and the scene of a bloody battle between the United Irishmen and British forces 210 years ago. These days it looks stable and contented, but like the rest of the Republic it has been hit hard by the economic downturn. Whilst his constituents were suffering under the credit crunch Cllr. Dwyer felt his naturally left wing style was being cramped by what he regarded as his party’s unwillingness to take on Fianna Fail. He thinks the Sinn Fein leadership were so anxious to get into power on both sides of the border that they morphed into a Fianna Fail lite. Although John is not joining Eirigi, he predicts that the republican group will do Sinn Fein damage in future council elections on both sides of the border.

The Irish News reported the first elected representatives to defect from Sinn Féin to éirígí.

, , , , , ,

  • Ray

    The Sinn Fein leadership stands for nothing anymore except their own self-interest, politically and financially.
    As the old saying goes: power corrupts.

  • Pigeon Toes

    “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

  • Meanwhile, Comical Marty and a few heavies were on tour today. It was all fairly hush hush. Seems that only some Moyle councillors were officially briefed.

  • Oh and no ‘dissident’ journalists, Pete 🙂

  • Guest

    “Power, however it has evolved, whatever its origins, will not be given up without a struggle.”

  • Pigeon Toes

    So the “Sinn Fein project remains on track”? That begs the queation are “Sinn Fein ‘projects’? http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/news-ofmdfm-030809-mcguinness-visits-rathlin

    I note the many high level “Sinn Fein” trips to Rathlin this past year?

    I further note that they were not always what they seemed…
    http://www.smallferriesproject.com/ Yet the reason was apparently http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=94945

    Perhaps this story isn,t all it would seem?

  • Pigeon Toes

    “Power, however it has evolved, whatever its origins, will not be given up without a struggle.”

    Indeed.

  • Pigeon Toes

    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. The bamboozle has captured us. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

  • Pete Baker

    Nevin and PT,

    Try to keep to the actual topic.

  • Pigeon Toes

    Pete,
    Er don’t wish in any way to be rude but this “project” is either VERY important to the “big boys” or , they have forgotten that they are charged with looking after the health, infarstucture of the rest of the population of Northern Ireland…

    I hope it’s the second as that makes the whole thing even more ridiculous….

  • Ray

    Three years ago in Donegal Bertie Ahern famously told those who did not agree with his disasterous economic policies that they should commit “suicide.”
    18 months later Mr. Ahern infamously resigned after that Oscar-winning performance in court where he protested his alleged innoncence in corruption and money laundering and just before the Irish economy fell off the cliff because of the endemic Irish political and banking corruption/graft.
    Mr. Adams is in a similiar-type situation at the moment — all bluff and swagger and smash the “enemy” because they too know nothing and they probably should also commit suicide so he, Mr. Adams, can get another year being in power and then collect his big fat pension from Her Majesty while everything else lies in shambles at community level.

  • Pigeon Toes

    “corruption and money laundering”

    Now exactly what are you suggesting?

    In my profession I am legally bound to report any suspicions of money laundering( which includes claiming benefits whilst working) or face censure…

  • Guest

    Ray,

    And how is Irish republicanism going to fall off a cliff?
    I don’t hear him claiming any such “smash the enemy’ DUP nonsense.Sinn fein are in the process of implementing the Belfast agreement.They are doing quite a good job.The good government crap is really just an aside or have you not yet understood that?

  • LURIG

    They might be implementing the Belfast Agreement but at what cost? This Northern Executive & Assembly, especially Sinn Fein, are extremely right wing, anti trade union, pro-privatisation and very anti-public services being run by the people for the people. The Executive have been the biggest cheerleaders for PPI’s; the involvement of the private sector in the administration of public services and to date it has been a disaster. All the Stormont government seem to attract in the ways of inward investment are poorly paid, anti trade union call centre jobs and they push and laud them at the expense of real jobs with NO rights for employees. Sinn Fein have been at the forefront of this and have totally lost the respect of the Northern trade union movement. Is it any wonder multi nationals look to the North to base these call centre jobs. They get big grants to set up and know that the right wing Executive will rally behind and support greedy employers rather than employees. These are just a number of reasons why Sinn Fein are losing people. Animal Farm how are ye?

  • cynic

    “Mr Adams insists that the Sinn Fein project remains on track.”

    Mr Adams “denies ever being in the IRA”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/1287262.stm

    So that’s alright then

  • Mr. Adams is living in cuckoo-land!
    http://kennedycartoons.com

  • I like this comment on the DD blog:

    [SF’s] Northern Nationalist equivalent, many of whom would vote for a blind, three legged donkey with an SF rosette!

    It reminded me of Gildernew’s goat.

    It seems that Mark isn’t stultified by political correctness. He uses ‘the Republic’ rather than ‘Ireland’.

  • cynic

    Ah dont they just get on your goat.

    County gone to hell in a hancart, economy bust, jobless total soars, agriculture buggered and there, at the very centre of it all, sits the Minister, her hands on the levers of power, striving every sinew to get a goat to a fair in the Republic of Ireland.

    Well, Bless you Ma’am for your committment to our economic health and well being. What could we do without you all

  • cynic

    PS was the Goat part of Gerry’s project?

  • Pigeon Toes

    “PS was the Goat part of Gerry’s project?”

    (Ssh…)

  • Eye On The Hill has noted a cock-up on the Rathlin front – this time by an SDLP press officer acting for Declan O’Loan. Mark Devenport has noted it.

  • kensei

    Can the mods just start deleting Nevin’s spam? I will post up a summary from him at top level if he wants and his on blog on this sole topic isn’t enough, but this needs knocked on the head.

  • Kensei, you don’t need my permission to publish newsworthy material.

  • kensei

    Nevin

    I am a city boy and am quite happy for them to blow up the ferry. But the dropping your pet hobby into random threads is beginning to grate. If you want wider exposure, I’ll do a top level thread for you if you want to write it.

    Just, you know, stop spamming.

  • Kensei, you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick.

    The DFM story I posted implicitly challenges some of the ‘spam’ that has appeared recently about this ‘end of the world’ SF ‘identity crisis’.

    OK, I do mention Rathlin, but it’s mainly in the context of an SDLP PR boob.

  • kensei

    Nevin

    It’s still not entirely related. And thus the dangers of spam. If I see you and Rathlin on an unrelated thread, the natural repsonse is to cuss you and totally ignore it.

    On the link, it’s not too bad, but very amateur. I could see a slightly more sweary / cynical version popping up on the Thick of It.

  • John O’Connell

    In relation to Sinn Fein’s identity crisis wherein they’re not sure where they’re going, I would comment that it is pretty straightforward.

    They’re going on the Old Testament route, putting the self before the community, because they are led by the founding member of the Old Testament reborn, Adam(s).

    I thought I would add my tongue in cheek (partly) comment. But it is true that they will make a superficial attempt to clamber on board any New Testament issue but their heart lies with the Old Testament, with capitalism, individualism, violence, the work ethic (which they boast about), all to be achieved through a hollow desire to embrace communism, because, as we all know, communism is just a stepping stone to the most corrupt capitalist regimes and Sinn Fein is simply a highly corrupt form of capitalism in the communities they say they represent.

  • the joxer

    John,
    Could you please send Noah’s Ark to Rathlin Island to serve as the new ferry and that’ll keep Nevin and you happy, leaving the rest of us to concentrate on the topic of the thread.

  • “On the link, it’s not too bad, but very amateur.”

    I need clarification on that sentence, Kensei. ‘It’ isn’t the most useful of words where there are several ‘its’.

  • John O’Connell

    the joxer

    leaving the rest of us to concentrate on the topic of the thread.

    You’ve made no contibution to the thread so far, whereas my comment addresses the identity crisis and the direction Sinn Fein are going in, the themes of the thread. So what’s your point?

  • the joxer

    ‘whereas my comment addresses the identity crisis and the direction Sinn Fein are going in, the themes of the thread.’

    Like every other comment that you’ve made on every Sinn Fein thread that there’s ever been and indeed ever will be.

    On a positive note that means you could have been right every single time. On the other hand…

  • John O’Connell

    the joxer

    Like every other comment that you’ve made on every Sinn Fein thread that there’s ever been and indeed ever will be.

    Yes, true. There are similarities…

    On a positive note that means you could have been right every single time. On the other hand…

    Yes, true. But you seem to be subtly, questioning my infallibility. Well, are you?

    [Play the ball – edited moderator]

  • GGN

    John,

    If you are a God then why do you not just destroy Sinn Féin with bolts of lightening from your arse?

  • John O’Connell

    GGN aka the joxer

    If you are a God

    Why the indefinite article?

    why do you not just destroy Sinn Féin with bolts of lightening

    The three of us (the trinity to you) are taking responsibilty for our actions in allowing man to have free will with the subsequent access to the knowledge of good and evil. So we’re in effect teaching man to choose good. Thus it would be no good if we just killed SF or Adams. We may as well just kill the lot of you.

  • cynic

    Whats wrong with SPAM. I quite like it and so does my dog

  • the joxer

    ‘GGN/AKA TheJoxer’

    Your gift of infallability is leting you down , John-not the same person, at all.

    I also note that your earlier post had to be edited by the moderator due to your very un-christian-like comments. tut.tut…

  • the joxer

    A scary thought-but are there 2 John O’Connell’s out there?

  • GGN

    The Joxer,

    Yes, there is a troll version as well, it is sometimes hard to tell but I think that even the real John does not believe that …

    “Mark Durkan is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.”

    I think personally that there are a number of sophisicated trolls, John for example, who are deliberility taking away from the quality of this site.

  • kensei

    I need clarification on that sentence, Kensei. ‘It’ isn’t the most useful of words where there are several ‘its’.

    Meaning the unintended sent email could have been a lot worse, but still a bit amateur.

  • Neil

    John’s the real deal, there is some other punter, but you can usually tell it’s not the real John by the inclusion of the word fuck. However the religious John’s for real, you should check out his site, there’s plenty on there. Everyone being entitled to their beliefs is one thing, and I’m fully supportive of that, it’s the hijacking of threads that’s a problem. For Nevin the Rathlin ferry story gets dropped in, usually with the most tenuous link to justify posting in the first place, with John it’s the evil Gerry, evil Sinn Feinn thing that the thread gets wrestled round to. But hey this is NI, we’re all used to that by now.

  • John East Belfast

    Have SF lost their touch in not realising the danmage done to their ROI Electoral prospects by having the Garda McCabe killers picked up by what was described as a “SF Van” when they were released from prison this morning ?

  • Thanks, Kensei – and close your eyes to the rest of this post 🙂

    Neil, I recognise the old ‘highjack’ stunt for what it is. By the way, Conor Murphy is the Minister for Rathlin so his words and actions are worthy of scrutiny in so far as they might shed some light on SF’s UI grand plan – should it ever get its hands on the levers of power. I’m assuming that the words and actions are Conor’s; it’s possible that he’s just a muppet who’s strings are pulled by the bureaucrats – or securocrats 🙂

  • John O’Connell

    Neil

    with John it’s the evil Gerry, evil Sinn Feinn thing that the thread gets wrestled round to.

    I only comment on threads where there is relevance to my views. I never hijack anything and it is my shadow, the subtle Sinn Fein marker who tries to damage my credibility because I am damaging Gerry Adams, who creates the impression that a thread is being hijacked, as you say.