Church abolishes “living in sin”

Strangely enough it’s the Guardian that stresses the predictable “scorn,” while Cranmer is still holding fire. The Times explains that the idea was inspired by the refusal of a fictional vicar to bury Tess of the d’Urberville’s dead baby in holy ground, not that Thomas Hardy was much of a Christian. So two cheers for the Church of England for burying the last remnants of bastardy and living in sin with their new combined service of marriage and baptism. Irish churches to follow?

  • ‘…holding the fire’?

    A rather unfortunate turn of phrase.

  • George

    Brian,
    Irish Catholics can have their child christened quite easily if they are not married and most of them do.

    Just as well for the Catholic Church considering 40% of children are born outside of marriage in the Irish Republic.

    The idea of the Catholic Church missing out on a baptism because the mother isn’t married is quite funny in this day and age. They want to soul and aren’t going to worry about such formalities.

  • George

    Just checked some figures.

    There were 65,500 babies born in the Republic in 2006 and 25,300 in Northern Ireland giving a total of 90,300 for all religions.

    In the same year, there were 67,190 Catholic baptisms in Ireland.

  • DoctorWho

    Religions today can´t afford to turn any one away. There is a growing move toward secularism, and where once you may have been shunned for your depravity, today they just turn a blind eye.

  • [i]In the same year, there were 67,190 Catholic baptisms in Ireland. [/i]

    Still, given rapid immigration in the south and the obvious fact that about half of those in the north would be born into Protestant families, those figures suggest that the vast majority of children born into Catholic families are baptised.

  • jamesorr1798

    A considerable % of Protestants do not believe in, or practise, infant baptism

  • Greenflag

    ‘Religions today can´t afford to turn any one away.’

    Just like any business . If you can’t sell it there’s no point in producing it . Baptismal ‘fees’ were always a steady little earner when the plain people of Ireland were in high production mode with each devout RC mother delivering up a litter of eight or more over her ‘reproductive ‘ life . This lower birth rate has hit the ‘revenue’ stream of churches just at a time when they can least afford it .

    jamesorr1798,

    ‘ A considerable % of Protestants do not believe in, or practise, infant baptism ‘

    Quite right too . Total immersion in a freezing cold river when they reach 15 is a much better test of faith 😉

    Baptism is however less barbaric than infant circumcision which has to be by far one of the worst ‘depravities’ committed against young infants.

    But hey it’s a ‘tradition’ and that justifies it eh ? So too was/is female circumcision in some parts of the ‘male ‘ dominated world .

  • Greenflag

    BW ,

    ‘So two cheers for the Church of England for burying the last remnants of bastardy and living in sin with their new combined service of marriage and baptism. ‘Irish churches to follow?

    As an avowed atheist I certainly hope not . In the above you almost make the Church of England sound like a McDonald’s fast food effort .

    While a cheer or two or even three can be raised for the burying the last remnants of bastardy I regret to inform you that as long as human beings are around there will never be a drop in supply of ‘real ‘ bastards for the rest of humanity to cope with . The Madoffia being just one of many examples that come to mind in this age of the prevalence of the condition ! I recall at the time of the Millenium people were looking for a name for the 2000’s first decade a la the roaring twenties – naughty nineties etc . The “noughts was considered too dull . I humbly suggest ‘ The Age of Decade End Bastardy’!

    However taken to it’s logical conclusion i.e the ‘combination ‘ package of ‘marriage with baptism ‘ could eventually end up with say the Unitarians on Stephen’s Green offering a super all in one Super Deal bargain combo package of ‘Baptism’ Funeral Rites , Marriage , Remarriage ( up to three ), Renewal vows and an environmentally safe ‘disposal ‘ all for a pre payment of say 5,000 pounds /euros /dollars with the option of availing of the service all at once at lifes end, or for an extra fee of 2,000 etc the services could be split up into three or more separate rituals . Jewish customers would be offered a ‘Bar Mitzvah ‘ deal for 10,000 euros while Islamists would be offered a faster than lightening interment deal (as per their desert condition friendly ritual ) for a modest 15,000 euros?

    Atheists will be offered the usual Scotsman’s Special Terminal package . For those who know it not it’s a small plastic see through package containing four bronze handles , 8 six inch screws and a phillip screw driver .

    The ‘Modus Operandi’ of the Scotsman’s special is the relatives have to wait three days till rigor mortis sets in and after all salvageable organs have been removed /recycled – then the handles are screwed on to the deceased who is then interred at the back of the garden 🙂

    I’d better stop !