Should the 12th of July be a bank holiday in the Republic of Ireland?

BUNREACHT NA hÉIREANN

CONSTITUTION OF IRELAND

Article 7

The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange.

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The orange of our flag is the orange of the Orange order.

Although a tiny minority there are Orangemen and Orange halls within the borders of the Irish state, in addition our constituition also recognises the right of all Northern Irish citizens who so wish – to be part of the Irish nation, a sizeable number of which belong to the Orange tradition. In accordance with the symbolism of our national flag, should the 12th of July be a national bank holiday in Ireland (Republic)? Would this help ease tensions in the north, or be inappropriate or irrelevant?

  • JG

    “I’m an Orangeman first and a politician and MP afterwards…All I boast is a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant state James Craig“ P.M. On June 22, King George opened the Parliament in the six counties. Loyalists backed by police and army, attacked Catholic areas, leaving many dead and injured. During the first year and a half, 423 people were killed, 1,766 wounded, 8,750 driven from their jobs and 2,300 were made homeless.

    Saint Anne’s Cathedral went without an organ for over a year in the fifties because the locals did not want a Catholic working on it.

    Funny how First World Ireland has a book written on the Mayo librarian but this episode is swept under the carpet and pretended never to have happened!

  • John 45

    JEBelfast – You quite rightly always insist on correct nomenclature – Irish, British etc..
    Yet you say to Objectivist “..I will not be lectured to … by a southerner.”
    How do you know that he is not an easterner, westerner, or even from the south of Ireland? He may even be from the north west of Ireland, and hence a northerner.

  • John East Belfast

    John 45

    Because he jumped to the defence of the ROI in a way a northern nationalist wouldnt.

  • John 45

    JEB – I understand that part of your reply. But it is not what I am getting at. Leave aside NI, and take the case in Britain where, if you go into a post office anywhere and stamp it for the Republic of Ireland. Without exception one is asked “northern or southern Ireland?” Now I am sure YOU can accept that fully. However, my little problem is that there is no such country as “southern Ireland”. It is a fabrication invented by Britain – divide and rule, atomisation, etc.. “Republic” is too much of a mouthful; it is beyond conception, like saying some magic or fairyland name. It is like the South the other side of the pond, where they used to say “We will decide what are civil rights -they are our blacks…
    The slave has no name, and so forth.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Making Orange Parades a bank holiday in the Republic for who? Handfuls of Orangemen in Donegal and the border regions? In a unified Ireland the issue would have to be dealt with maturely but as of this moment making it a national holiday for a 26 county population who have no interest in it would be embarrassing.

    As for comparing NI and the South after partition, it’s a lame duck argument. The small Protestant population in the South and the large Catholic minority in the six counties means that the two states clearly had different responsibilties to undertake.

    If the Southern state after 1921 had a 40 per cent Protestant minority it would have had to develop very differently, or a civil war would have ensued. In reality the South was over 90 per cent Catholic and developed accordingly in a Catholic manner.

    Northern Ireland since its inception had a 35-40 per cent Irish Catholic minority – although Protestants foolishly behaved as though they had a 90 per cent majority like the South. Trying to forge an exlusively Protestant state when nearly 40 per cent of the population are of a different religion was a sure fire recipe for civil conflict.

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “Probably true, but still a non sequitur. Commonwealth membership does not imply anything of the sort. What’s your point?”

    We won’t be joining the club!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_realm

  • Gragoir:

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations:

    “Sixteen members of the Commonwealth, known as Commonwealth realms, recognise the Queen as their head of state. The majority of members, thirty-one, are republics, and a further five have monarchs of different royal houses.”

    What was suggested above was Ireland becoming a member of the Commonwealth, not a Commonwealth realm. The terms are distinct.

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    Aye indeed Andrew, but we still wont be joining.

    It would fail to pass in a referendum tomorrow.

  • Erasmus

    “To Dubliners last week Armistice Day was just another unpleasant reminder that Great Britain and the Irish Free State are still parts of the same Empire. They showed their feelings by dynamiting an obelisk on Bray Head erected to celebrate Queen Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee. On Armistice Eve the Irish Republican Army and the Laborites paraded and tiraded through Dublin streets to College Green. There they poured kerosene on two Union Jacks, brandished the blazing banners until only charred staves remained. Leaders howled at the crowd, “Destroy every poppy in Dublin tomorrow and burn every Union Jack and every emblem of British imperialism.” They excoriated President Eamon de Valera for not having made it a crime to fly the British flag in Dublin on Armistice Day.”
    Again, to echo previous commentators, these actions were carried out by *renegade* elements. There was /is no *official* anti-British kulturkampf.

  • Greagoir Mac Cam Beul

    There was /is no *official* anti-Irish kulturkampf.

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “Again, to echo previous commentators, these actions were carried out by *renegade* elements. There was /is no *official* anti-British kulturkampf.”

    I agree!

    Gréagóir O Frainclín

  • Gragoir:

    It would only go to referendum if it required a change to the constitution, which would not be required for membership of a toothless organisation such as the Commonwealth.

  • I would like someone to answer for me please if i may.
    Does an orangeman who lives in the Irish republic accept the Tricolour as his flag.? Does he owe his loyalty to that flag, Or the union jack.? Many thanks.
    Robert.