“a face of bigotry, sectarianism and intolerance”

From the various reports there appear to have been a number of police officers injured and a number of arrests today. Perhaps the most significant incident was in Armagh where an explosion was reported. By comparison, as well as skirmishes today, Londonderry saw a “sophisticated hoax” on Craigavon Bridge at the weekend. At the most visible disturbance today, in Ardoyne, local MLA, Sinn Féin’s Gerry Kelly, blamed “a small number of dissident republicans from outside Ardoyne” for the trouble, although he seems to be displaying some memory loss – “Let us think back, the last time that anyone used a rifle or any weapon during a riot here was the early seventies, because the reaction to it is someone will end up dead.” Perhaps blast bombs don’t count? Meanwhile, we have a comment from those tasked with responsibility for public order – from the BBC report

PSNI Assistant Chief Constable Alistair Finlay said it was disappointing “isolated outbreaks of violence had marred the day for all communities”. “Right across Northern Ireland there were hundreds of parades that passed off peacefully,” he said.

“However, it is very disappointing that there were a minority of people, in north Belfast, Derry, Armagh, Rasharkin and other parts of Northern Ireland who showed total disregard for local communities. “They displayed the worst possible face of Northern Ireland – a face of bigotry, sectarianism and intolerance that is not representative of the vast majority of people who have moved on and embraced a peaceful future.”

Adds An arrest and more violence in Ardoyne on Tuesday night.

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  • Paul

    Ricky

    I do not know if they were member of the GAA and the IRA at the same time, since you made the claim you provide the proof

  • Ricky seems like UMH on acid. Short arse syndrome?

  • ricky

    Kevin Lynch and Bobby Sands had dual membership of Terrorist groups and GAA clubs.

  • Paul

    so you claim, you have furnished no proof

  • Peter Fyfe

    ricky

    There are PSNI and RAF gaelic clubs. Are we all brits or provos? I need to know before I decide what to wear on sunday.

  • Reader

    eagar: Really? I don’t remember our the playing of our anthem resulting in the need for medical attention and police protection for any of our citizens.
    You expelled all your dissidents to Canada hundreds of years ago. Since then, everyone you let in has been expected to Pledge Allegiance. And when there was a separatist movement 150 years ago, look what you did about it. More US casualties than in WW2.

  • anne warren

    Sorry for the delay in replying to Ricky who said
    “Anne Warren , your assertion that Catholic servicemen were treated poorly in Northern Ireland is absolute nonsense”.
    I would like to refer him/her to: Facts and Figures of the Belfast Pogrom by GB Kenna, originally published in 1922 (breaking news then!), reprinted in 1996. I hope consulting it will help him/her distinguish historical fact from fiction and help him/her formulate fact-based opinions.
    Ricky also wrote “In actual fact Catholic veterans were butchered in the Republic when they returned from WW1, by the IRA (not to mention the Protestant veterans and indeed any Protestant!)” This is off the topic of the present discussion but if Ricky would like to start another thread and provide evidence, some posters might be interested in discussing the issue.
    Ricky asserted “The first part of your letter would be more suitable for Jackanory than any serious letter”.
    The first part of my letter provided evidence to support a logical interpretation of historical facts. Ricky may understandably have some difficulty in considering (note I do not say accepting)a view of facts that is hardly original as it was clearly stated by the first source I quoted (Horgan 1919). However, until s/he provides cogent counter-arguments, his/her views remain the opinion of a poorly informed individual.
    Ricky also asked “Are you one of the authors of ” Irish history according to SinnFein”!
    No

  • eagar

    Reader: You are very ignorant on US history, even that of North America. Those who wanted independence from the UK fought the revolution for freedom. Those who lived here and wanted to remain part of the UK left for Canada, they were not expelled.

    And yes, if you want to be a citizen of the US, you must pledge an allegiance to the flag. It seems logical that if you WANT to be a citizen then pledging allegiance is part of that.

    Then there’s the War Between the States back in 1861. Yes it was a War. If you read my original comments, I don’t deny the fact the US has a history of war, I just pointed out that the US doesn’t celebrate the killing of the opposing side. As a Southerner, I can tell you that the US doesn’t make a holiday out of taunting me because my ancestors were on the Conferderate side of that War. We don’t oppress and celebrate battles of Appamatox, Shiloh, Gettysburg or the burning of Atlanta (you know that city where the Olympics were held back in 1996)

    Whereas the Orange Orders do with these parades.

  • Paul

    Eager

    Far be it for me to disuade you against the oo

    But bullshit! the empire loyalist chose to leave because the alternative was to be burnt out and/or tarred and feathered. Not much of a choice but as you point out a choice none the less

  • Brian MacAodh

    Are you talking about America in your last post, Paul?

  • ricky

    Anne , GB Kenna’s book is another work of fiction. Pure propaganda.
    Paul, if Lynch and Sands weren’t terrorists then what were they convicted of?- stealing Trevallions corn!

  • anne warren

    Ricky said “GB Kenna’s book is another work of fiction. Pure propaganda”
    PROVE IT!!!

  • Paul

    Ricky

    As near as I can tell they were guilty of being fecking fenians and not knowing there place

  • Paul

    Brian

    Yes the american empire loyalists that relocated to Canada

  • Dread Cthulhu

    eagar: “You are very ignorant on US history, even that of North America. Those who wanted independence from the UK fought the revolution for freedom. Those who lived here and wanted to remain part of the UK left for Canada, they were not expelled. ”

    First of all, it was a War of Independence, not a revolution. The war was not fought to change the British government, it was fought to break away from the British Empire. Words mean things.

    Secondly, what happened after the war was not all one or another. I am certain that the most enthusiastic of the Loyalist population, such as those serving in the British Legion under Banastre Tarleton, had they shown any inclination to stay, might have been not so gently persuaded to change their minds. I am equally certain there were those who disapproved of the political changes and left of their own free will.

    Eagar: “Whereas the Orange Orders do with these parades. ”

    To be fair, the victories the Orange Orders celebrate of an older era and gained momentum, culturally speaking as much as religious (i.e. thanking God for their victory) in their origin as political. Victories in different eras under different leadership are going to be marked in different ways.

  • ricky

    anne, can you prove that GB Kenna’s book is not a work of fiction?

  • ricky

    I see the repulsive republican retards are up to their old tricks again. Low life from the Short strand are useing the grounds of St Mathews chapel to attack Protestant homes on the lower N ‘ards Rd. The latest victim was a pregnant women who had her windows smashed and was subjected to death threats, as is usual there wasn’t a cop in sight. I have no doubt the assailants are hoping for a response from Loyalists to return missiles at them in the chapel, so they can squeal like pigs to the world about those bad Loyalists throwing stones at their places of worship.
    newsdesk@newsletter.co.uk

  • Seimi

    ‘anne, can you prove that GB Kenna’s book is not a work of fiction?’

    Ricky, you were the one who asserted that Kenna’s book was fiction. It’s up to you to provide evidence to show that, not for anne to do otherwise.

  • Jim

    ricky

    St Matthew’s was attacked by loyalists from the Pitt Park area on the 12th night. Paint bombs were thown and tins of paint poured all over the front doors of the newly refurbished church. Loyalists also tried to remove and damage a number of statues within the grounds.

    It is totally wrong for youths from the Short Strand to retaliate by attacking innocent people’s homes. Unfortunetly, tit for tat attacks have been a feature of our past.

    Its important for all to work at ending attacks on churches, halls and private dwellings.

    It serves no purpose.

  • ricky

    Seimi, Anne was the one who quoted from it in the first place, so how is it up to me?

  • ricky

    Jim, can you impart to me the source of your information about the alleged attack on St Mathews. I agree with the latter part of your comment.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘so how is it up to me?’

    Ehhh, Ricky dear boy, you made the accusation that it was fiction.

  • eagar

    Dread Cthulhu:
    “First of all, it was a War of Independence, not a revolution.”

    Oh my mistake, it’s never been known as or referred to as the American Revolution. I must be the only one who has ever called it that.

    Adn I agree that loyalists “might have been not so gently persuaded” to leave the US after that war.

    But the point of my orignal post still remains, we don’t celebrate those types of aspects of that war. We don’t tar and feather Canadian effigies to commemorate our freedom. No “Kick the Brit” bands play on our Fourth of July festivites.

    I suppose though that my original message was ignored by those who make hating a hobby. I guess that’s why there may never be a solution or compromise for this. The many who want to work through this are overmatched by the amount of hate from the minotiry who want to perpetuate this division.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    eagar: “But the point of my orignal post still remains, we don’t celebrate those types of aspects of that war. We don’t tar and feather Canadian effigies to commemorate our freedom. ”

    Maybe b/c the Canadian campaigns were a complete and utter hash, with no lasting victories to celebrate.

    Maybe because the leadership who won the War of Independence (also a common name for that struggle) were post-Renaissance, post-Reformation gentlemen who realized that their nascent nation was not the world-beater the British Empire still was at the time.

    The biggest difference between Ireland and the US in their respective wars of independence is that the Irish Sea wasn’t nearly the barrier the Atlantic Ocean is.

    eagar: “No “Kick the Brit” bands play on our Fourth of July festivites.”

    There wasn’t nearly the religious component to the War of Independence that there was in the Anglo-Irish conflicts, esp. in the era of these victories.

    eagar: “I suppose though that my original message was ignored by those who make hating a hobby. I guess that’s why there may never be a solution or compromise for this. The many who want to work through this are overmatched by the amount of hate from the minotiry who want to perpetuate this division. ”

    Not really — the problem is that prying these celebrations out of the hands of the OO and their associated hangers-on is like prying candy from a baby. This is the highlight of their year.

    Likewise, some of the same folks who which deny the OO their rights are the same who complain that eirigi were run off when they wanted to take their demonstration to the Queen’s highway. These little hypocrisies serve to keep these things alive.

    Then again, this thread started about the dead-ender end of the Republicans taking pot-shots at cops…

  • anne warren

    Many thanks to Seimi, Republican Stones and all of you who agreed Ricky had to prove his/her point.
    Ricky and others like him/her seem to think that broadcasting ignorance is a badge of honour. S/he is not in the slightest bit embarrassed at persisting in a locked in point of view and mindset, exemplifying squalid street politics and repartee, a pretty lamentable voice championing the Protestant people who really need to deny ignorance.
    To help Ricky and his ilk out of their fog of unknowing as to whether the book I cited was propaganda or not I would like to remind them of the title
    “FACTS AND FIGURES OF THE BELFAST POGROM”

    What words do you not understand?

    Look them up in a dictionary!
    Ricky’s got 2 books to consult now. Must be hard for him/her.
    Shall we start a thread “Educating Ricky”?