DUP double speak

Peter Robinson has today said:

The Tory leader David Cameron is today in Ulster. He is a putative Prime Minister and as Northern Ireland’s First Minister I warmly welcome him to this part of the United Kingdom….In particular I note that in advance of his visit it was trailed that if he is successful in becoming Prime Minister he favours ending what is described as double jobbing. This is another area where we share a common view.

On 10th March 2009 the DUP voted against a UUP motion on double jobbing in the Assembly.

Michelle McIlveen said “It is unnecessary to request the UK Government to bring forward legislation to prohibit dual mandates. Such legislation would be grossly unhelpful … The motion is premature”.

Gregory Campbell said “It will cost more to have single-mandate MLAs … There is a considerable amount of work to be done before we can proceed to impose single mandates”.

Peter Weir said “I do not have a problem with dual mandates; Mr Elliott is seeking to abolish them”.

Simon Hamilton said, “I agree with Mr McLaughlin: I can understand why we have got this anomalous situation as he described it. The instability of political arrangements in Northern Ireland over the past few years has generated such a situation and, as it took time to create that situation, so it will take time to rectify it.” On banning double-jobbing, he said, “is not something that I consider to be democratic … I suggest that it is also anti-devolution”.

  • Dec

    Michael

    For those of us who do not share the same memory span as the common goldfish, can you explain why the UUP weren’t quite so vexed with double jobbing back in the days when your part was replete with MP/MLAs?

  • I can’t remember who said it, maybe on Slugger or another blog, but I think it is required for the time being that the First Minister and possibly Finance Minister are exempt from the potential ban on double-jobbing.

    Glad to see everyone on the same page!

  • Michael Shilliday

    Er, it wasn’t. We had 2 or 3 MPs who were MLAs at any one time. Trimble/Taylor, Trimble/Burnside/Donaldson. All 9 DUP MPs are MLAs.

  • Dec,

    Isn’t much of an issue now for the UUP for obvious reasons. I recall a lot of people calling for Lady Hermon to run for the Assembly in 2007, and I don’t think it was ever mentioned she should not be double-jobbing!

  • ??

    if the UUP are sooooooo opposed to double jobbing why dont they resign their council seats today…

    see youre not that opposed

  • alan56

    Suddenly Raging Robbo is cosying up to Cameron.Only a few days ago DUP bloggers were talking about his links to the UDA !
    What utter hypocricy.

  • alan56

    ??

    Still never heard a peep out of you ref Ballymoney DUP press officer (ex UDA killer)

  • ??

    Alan havent a clue what youre talking about , have you a name?? and what about the topic?

  • ABC

    Michael Shilliday or UUP RSS feed as he is known, where have you been? Lots of nice topics for you to discuss. Uda postering. Hermon cutting Reg off at the knees. Defections from the party. MEPs expenses – not a word. Let’s hear what you have to say on thos issues.

    Incidentally, I look forward to your full, complete and unconditional apology to David Hilditch for your nasty little attempt to smear him on this site some time ago.

  • alan56

    ??

    Unless there are 2 ?? out there. If so then sorry.
    There was a long discussion a few days ago here on slugger about UU/Tory posters being put up by UPRG or UDA rep.

    End of double jobbing now seems the cool thing to advocate. Lets see how quickly any of the parties carry it through.

  • alan56

    ABC

    Public opinion will makes its own mind up on the DH affair. If I were you I wouldn’t be making such a big issue of it.

  • ??

    alan, who is the ex-uda dup man?

  • ??

    If the UUP are so opposed to double-jobbing why dont they resign their council seats today?

  • ABC

    Really? When a judge said Mr. Hilditch “didn’t have a case to answer”. Spare us your cheap innuendo.

  • Carson’s Cat

    Micky Shillers
    “We had 2 or 3 MPs who were MLAs at any one time. Trimble/Taylor, Trimble/Burnside/Donaldson. All 9 DUP MPs are MLAs.”

    Err, Donaldson was barred from running for the Assembly in 1998, as were other UUP MPs, not because of any principled stand on double jobbing but because Trimble wanted to reduce his internal opposition within the Assembly Group.

    Yes this tired little tactic has been used against the DUP, but that’s purely becuase they happen to have been electorally successful. Any DUP ‘second’ job has been only brought about because the people voted for it.

    The UCUNFers on the other hand of course are tied into a party of double, triple, quadruple (continue as appropriate) jobbers at Westminster which are all behind-the-scenes, boardroom perk jobs which give benefit to no-one except the MP in question.

    I’m not so sure ‘double-jobbing’ in terms of 2 elected positions should be completely banned. There does seem to be a degree of cross-over between the work of a Councillor and an MLA. Frankly most people I know seem to think that Councillors are responsible for housing, roads and most of the functions which are exercised by the Assembly. People go to a politician, or probably more likely, a party just to get something sorted out. I’m not so sure they care whether the person who sorts it out is a Councillor, an MLA or an MP, or whether the person happens to hold two of those titles.

    The one exception I’d probably make however is not having MPs as Councillors. That probably is a step too far.

    Of course, when it comes to Ministers sitting as Councillors the UUP are guilty as charged there too. Why haven’t Reggie and the Undertaker stepped down from the City Council then? Wonder what their attendance rates are like in the City Hall too…….. How many votes have been lost because they weren’t there?

  • nemo

    Cllr. Reg Empey MLA, DEL Minister said, while ducking,:

    ‘Either we have multiple jobs in politics or we do not. It is not something that can be ducked.’

  • alan56

    ??

    Below link to BBC News story naming Gary Blair,then spokesperson for Ballymoney DUP and former UDA prisoner.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/5341704.stm?ls

  • alan56

    ABC
    cheap innuendo?
    Do we need to go through the whole details of the case. I was not making any accusations, just pointing out that many in the public may wonder about the need for disability assistance when someone is play football.
    No case to answer means exactly what it says. No case to answer in the terms as brought before the court.
    By the way it was you who raised this

  • Dec

    Er, it wasn’t. We had 2 or 3 MPs who were MLAs at any one time. Trimble/Taylor, Trimble/Burnside/Donaldson. All 9 DUP MPs are MLAs.

    So 50%(3 out of 6) double jobbery is acceptable then?

  • ?

    on gary blair:However, South Down DUP assembly member Jim Wells – who attended the meeting in Co Antrim two weeks ago – defended the move.

    “I was there that night. I don’t know him, but we have several people in the party who have been in paramilitarism, have shown remorse, shunned violence and became Christians,” he said.

    “People have shown repentance and turned away from violence to take a peaceful course of life.

    “There is a world of difference between that and Sinn Féin – it’s not Sinn Féin’s past but their future. Our problem with Sinn Féin is that its link to violence is still current.

    “We do not accept membership of anyone who is currently involved in paramilitary activity.

    “My understanding is that Mr Blair has no involvement in paramilitarism and has turned away from all forms of illegal activity.”

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    bit of a difference from having ACTIVE UDA members assisting your election campaign.

    Will the tories stand down their paramilitary posterers?

  • alan56

    ABC
    cheap innuendo?
    Do we need to go through the whole details of the case. I was not making any accusations, just pointing out that many in the public may wonder about the need for disability assistance when someone is play football.
    No case to answer means exactly what it says. No case to answer in the terms as brought before the court.
    By the way it was you who raised this

  • nemo

    alan56

    having shown up your lack of intellignece, its just as well the court went through the whole details of the case, and then said no case to answer.

    therefore, probably best you leave it rather than continue to display your ignorance.

  • alan56

    nemo,

    thanks for your considered response. You are hardly in a position, you especially, to attack anyone else’s intelligence.Anyway this kind of attack dog stuff usually shows a beaten docket.

  • ??

    in response to their new leaders comments, can we expect the UUP to stop their double jobbing and resign their council seats today?

  • seceder

    Whether or not the UUP are being hypocritical about council seats isn’t the issue, the fact is double jobbing or as the DUP like to call it – earning a decent salary – is a bigger issue for the DUP than for most Parties.

    tit for tat comparisions isn’t the mature way of dealing with this subject. Either it is right that doublle jobbing should end or its not. Clearly the lead party – DUP are not giving a lead in this matter. Even going as far as putting a Minister up for a council seat proves they are not committed to ending this.

    Sadly where Wales and the majority of Scotland were able to end this practice by a voluntary code all the NI parties give is vague – mid election promise!

    Lets hope Cameron does get in and finishes this money grabbing – job creation scheme – once and for all

  • ??

    Lets hope Cameron does get in and finishes this money grabbing – job creation scheme – once and for all
    Posted by seceder on May 21, 2009 @ 01:33 PM

    shame he wont do it for his own MPs, some of whom have up to 10 other jobs.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Now stop being silly. They don’t have ‘ten other jobs’, they, some of them, hold down directorships. You may or may not be surprised to hear this, but a directorship isn’t a job. The reason why DUP MPs (and UUP MLAs) don’t have other jobs is partially because a.) we live in a Soviet-style economy with virtually no meaningfully private enterprise to speak of (and thus precious few directorships to toss about) & b.) such capitalists as we have aren’t stupid enough to bung dosh, via directorships, the way of the no-hoper numpties who, almost to a man, comrpise Norn Iron’s political class. God knows, half the parliamentary Tory party is dud after dud, but the other half is exactly the sort of cove who, in the free market, manages to *earn* a lot of money. And Mps of course should be able to have second jobs precisely because we have a parliamentary system (ie an MP has sufficient slack to be a minister).

  • Nicely summed up Laughing (Tory) Unionist!

    The amount of ignorant hostility to the Conservatives is astounding on this blog. Fair enough claims for chandeliers and moats are embarrassing and clearly wrong, but Cameron has acted more decisively and quickly than Brown or any other party leader so far.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Thanks for the thanks. I would not, however, be my usual churlish self if I didn’t point out that I think Dave is a sleazeball of the worst ordder, who was happy: a.) to needlessly bilk the taxpayer for hundreds of thousands of pounds of mortgage payments (plenty of other MPs, many less well than him, did not – their conscience meant they self-means tested); b.) see his family directly benefit from the shabby behaviour of his MPs (several of his frontbenchers – and they’re very much *still* frontbenchers – have spent thousands of pounds from public funds in a shop belonging to his wife’s mum); c.) at least one shadow cabinet, on the evidence already in the public domain, has corruptly – as in criminally corruptly – gamed the allowances system for personal profit. As I don’t wish to add Mick’s legal bills, I’ll refrain from lauding the fraud in question by name. But as I say, the cops are coming for him,a nd still dave keeps him in the shadow cabinet. Cameron cares not one whit about parliamentary venality, being party to it himself at every level.

  • SM

    Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Re #1 above – succinctly put.

  • Brian Heading

    Who will win 3rd seat?
    With Alister anf Nicholison fighting it out can the SDLP slip through to snatch the 3rd seat?