DUP fans produce dirty tricks leaflet…

OVER at A Tangled Web, David Vance has blogged the first example of dirty tricks in this campaign, clearly carried out by DUP supporters. The leaflet is headlined ‘Unholy Alliance’, and says that voting for Jim Allister will split the unionist vote and allow Sinn Fein’s de Bruin to top the Euro-poll. Two problems with this: the DUP and Sinn Fein are very happy partners in government, and this is a PR election, not first past the post. Regardless, I’m not sure how de Bruin ‘topping the poll’ would mean anything other than a dent in unionist pride.

  • Zoon Politikon

    Was it not the DUP MEP wannabe who invoked the ‘smash SF’ mantra first?

  • CSI Gonzo

    I can imagine you now with the leg of your sunglasses in your mouth – Horatio stylez

    “Its just got to be DUP”

    “Dust it for prints and run em in the lab…..”

  • AJJM

    I’d like to hear the person who creat this poster’s definition of “unionism”!

  • THEBIGMAN

    The DUP know all about vote splitting they have spent their entire lifetime at it

  • sj1

    “Dust it for prints and run em in the lab…..”

    lol it was most likely shinner supporters then?

  • Silverline

    David Vance is well known for his dislike of the DUP he probably made it himself

  • sj1 – good point and no doubt most of the prints would already be on the database lol

    another seemingly impossible case solved on CSI….

  • fair_deal

    “the DUP and Sinn Fein are very happy partners in government”

    Are they? There seem to be two general narratives pushed about devolution – one everything is being cosily carved up between the DUP and SF and then the other its gridlock with nothing getting done because agreement can’t be sorted. The narrative changing simply to suit the argument du jour. It seems hard for these to co-exist.

    Suppose your narrative is correct and relationships are cosy but so what? The electoral battle has not and will not cease between the various parties and blocs. In fact that battle has been accepted as the determinant of future developments. At the ballot box it is essentially every party and ideology for themselves regardless of how well they do or do not get on in Stormont.

  • AJJM

    If the DUP don’t want vote splitting, why do they not withdraw their candidate?

  • AJJM

    are you for real?

  • Smug O’ Toole

    The DUP should shut their cake filled gobs and concentrate on what’s really important

    http://7deadlysinners.typepad.com/sinners/images/gluttony.jpg

  • righteousedward

    actually, if you set aside the crap design, as a unionist it probably sums up my opinion of TUV just about right.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Wonder what Turgon thinks of this?

  • sj1

    David Vance is well known for his dislike of the DUP he probably made it himself

    aye right enuf, that must be it!

    *roll eyes*

    It’s got to be the dupers, look at the religious title ‘unholy alliance’, thats the dead give away right there.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Fair Deal

    Fair point, but whether the relationship is cosy or not, the fact remains DUP and Sinn Fein are in bed together. For the DUP to claim that it would be disastrous for the Shinners to top the Euro poll is more than a little hypocritical.

    As for ‘every party for themselves’, well yes, but I’d love to see the small print on that leaflet, assuming it exists.

  • Danny Boy

    ‘Babs’? Is this a response to the endless ‘óg’-ing of Junior?

  • “It seems hard for these to co-exist.”

    It certainly co-existed better under the Chuckle Brothers than under the Brothers Grim, fair_deal.

  • Bill

    First of all, I am not friend of the DUP however this is a dreadful piece of blogging.

    I know where this poster is. I could take you to the very electric box in East Belfast. It has been there for a very very long time and I know the group of people who put it there. It is not part of some DUP campaign and is definitely not some new news.

    Do the DUP agree with it? Maybe. I can’t know for sure. But I do know that they didn’t put it there and it certainly wasn’t put there recently.

  • ORACLE

    This type of nasty campaign smacks of bullyboy tactics on the electorate, and obviously from a party rife with absolute fear.
    The DUP must be quaking in their boots incase Jim Alister cracks the 30,000 barrier which would amount to a creditable performance by the TUV and would form the hardcore for the foundations of a serious challange for the more steadfast unionist vote.
    If he achieves 40,000 effectively the TUV will be skipping the hardcore and foundations and going straight to building blocks.
    Any figure above 40,000 and the DUP will be looking at the TUV scaffolding coming up alongside their little ivory tower.

    Personally I think it will be a bigger vote than 40,000 I really believe that Jim Alister will poll between 50,000 and 60,000 votes and possibly 70,000 depending on the effectiveness of the DUP plea to the Unionist voters to let them top the poll, because we all know how unionist have some insane hang-up about topping polls.

    People would do well to remember that with Alister taking 50,000 off the DUP and SDLP dropping even more votes S/F at 2/1 with Ladbrokes to top poll is the steal of the decade

  • iluvni

    How could anyone continue to give the DUP a vote given the outrageous greed of its leader as exposed today in the Daily Telegraph?

  • sj1

    But I do know that they didn’t put it there and it certainly wasn’t put there recently.

    Of course they didn’t bill…..

    Of course not…..

    Sure.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Very dangerous territory for the DUP given the graphic comic possibilites of the Eating for Ulster crusade the Robbos have been on.

  • Bill

    sj1, is there a particular point to your sarcasm?

  • ??

    #

    How could anyone continue to give the DUP a vote given the outrageous greed of its leader as exposed today in the Daily Telegraph?
    Posted by iluvni on May 15, 2009 @ 04:49 PM

    well nowhere near the scandal of the millionaire tories getting their moats cleaned or swimming pools repaired.

    DUP will top the poll – Nicholson will be 4th

  • Belfast Gonzo

    I never actually said the DUP put it up. Read again.

  • redskin, co down

    i think this poster will actually boost barbara’s vote-

  • Vavid Dance

    Vance is a poisonous scumbag. He just be starved of the oxygen of publicity

    He’s made me think twice about the morality of abortion

  • not impressed

    Can anyone explain the importance of “unionist” or “nationalist” when it’s an EU election?

    Or am I missing something obvious

  • sj1

    sj1, is there a particular point to your sarcasm?

    Yes.

    You seem very sure who put it there, and that it wasn’t the DUP. So who was it? Who else would gain?

  • oracle

    It was the DUP who put it up, sure they claimed for a packet of wallpaper paste on expenses.
    I think they’ll have claimed for a box of it to paper over the cracks in the DUP after this election

  • put it on my expenses

    [i]Or am I missing something obvious[/i]

    Yes, you are.

  • barnshee

    Funnily enough any dupers I meet are hoping babs scrapes in on top — because they think that this outcome will enable them to finish off the OUP and the TUV

  • Bill

    [i] You seem very sure who put it there, and that it wasn’t the DUP. So who was it? Who else would gain? [/i]

    Who else would gain…there are a number of possibilities but how about the Conservative/Ulster Unionist Alliance who are the group more likely to be competing with TUV for the 3rd spot or lower in the upcoming elections?

    What has irritated me most about most this is the fact that this is being presented as something that has recently occurred. This is not “first example of dirty tricks in this campaign” because this poster was put up a very very long time ago, (of course technically this does make it the first!) and is part of something done in relation to this campaign.

  • Nationalist

    Ah, the DUP still using good old dogma as their prime electoral tactic.

    I must say, it truly is silly season for unionists this election. The choice being between:

    Fundamentalist Christian Unionism,
    Right Wing Tory Unionism,
    or Jim Allister!

    Are there any liberal unionists out there? Echo?

  • dunreavynomore

    itwas Sammy…
    ‘Eating for Ulster…’ I like it!

  • michael

    ‘Are there any liberal unionists out there? Echo?’

    Alban Maginness?

    (only joking!)

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Nationalist, are there any liberal unionists out there?

    Yes the Alliance party

  • mcd

    Any right-wing/conservative nationalists out there?

    Me, for one

  • riverlagan

    I could count the number of these posters that are up in the area beside Allisters’ European office on the Holywood Road. To be more specific they are located on Parkgate Avenue and Pims Avenue. Furthermore, they have been there since late November 2008.

  • riverlagan

    Should read

    I could count the number of these posters on one hand that are up in the area beside Allisters’ European office on the Holywood Road. To be more specific they are located on Parkgate Avenue and Pims Avenue. Furthermore, they have been there since late November 2008.

  • abucs

    Apart from a bit of meaningless bragging rights from SF, does it really matter if the unionist split allows a nationalist to top the poll in the EU elections ?

    The extra interest in the Unionist vote should mean that they’d get many more overall votes than if the TUV didn’t run anyway.

  • wisethebap

    Oh come on Bill, wise the bap, there’s only one Party in this election who are claiming it matters who tops the poll, and it ain’t UCUNF.

    So less of your whataboutery, you’ve said you know who put it up, so tell us then, if it ain’t the DUP.

  • 6countyprod

    ‘the first example of dirty tricks in this campaign’

    If, as Bill maintains, this leaflet has been around for a long time, then a key element of Gonzo’s first sentence is obviously false, and he/she is wasting our time!

  • “.Vance is a poisonous scumbag. He just be starved of the oxygen of publicity. He’s made me think twice about the morality of abortion …”

    Interesting insight of the quality of comment here.

    Wonder why the moderator allows such vile comments to spoil an otherwise decent thread?

  • Danny O’Connor

    Jim Allister will get his vote out,it wont be enough to take him ahead of Nicholson,most will transfer-had he not stood,these voters would possibly not turn out for anyone else,thus he is helping to get the vote out for unionism,and all the chickens will come home to roost.
    Now is not a time to be complacent,Alban would be an excellent MEP but all those who stayed at home last time need to come out now if we are going to get back the influence in Europe that was lost when Hume stood down,and as for 2 nationalist seats ,it would only be possible if TUV dont transfer.A vote for SF in these elections will not increase our influence in Europe one bit,Bairbre de WHO ?

  • I’m a liberal unionist. Ian Jack said so. 🙂 Albeit that I’m won over to liberal conservatism.

  • Big Maggie

    Vavid Dance,

    “Vance is a poisonous scumbag.”

    That’s not true! Mr Vance is no more poisonous than your average sectarian racist. And he most certainly is no scumbag—whatever that is.

    Belfast Gonzo,

    “Sinn Fein’s de Bruin”

    I think you’ll find she’s Sinn Féin’s de Brún.

  • The reality is

    [i]“.Vance is a poisonous scumbag. He just be starved of the oxygen of publicity. He’s made me think twice about the morality of abortion …”

    Interesting insight of the quality of comment here.

    Wonder why the moderator allows such vile comments to spoil an otherwise decent thread?[/i]

    Maybe because the sentiment expressed is correct or, at least, held by the majority of those who opine on this forum?

    It’s very strange that the only person to disagree with said comments is your good self. Afraid of a little free speech, are we, particularly if it emanates from an unrepentant Fenian scumbag?

  • realpolitik

    About time this sectarian tactic the DUP have been using for years was exposed early on in the campaign.Topping the poll is irrelevent in a 3 seat contest on PR.The electorate wants a result that gives the best candidiates as our MEPs not a result based on a tribal headcount.This election is more than just about Europe or the ususal sectarian headcount as Sinn Fein and DUP now partners in government would wish.

    It doesn’t matter who tops the poll; for Unionism it is more important to maximize the unionist vote,this will actually be achieved quite effectively with the three brands of Unionism but it won’t suit the DUP underdogs,as they prefer to see the vote polarized in an irrelevant poll topping exercise.With the two sitting Unionist MEPs running good campaigns with good canvas returns DUP can not top the poll ,it is Mrs Dodds who is spliting the vote,and with the DUP vote divided they can not top the poll.

    It is differennt this time ,DUP are in now in government with Sinn Fein .How does Mrs Dodds propose to smash Sinn Fein now she is in government with them?The truth is she can’t, only the Conservatives and Unionists can smash Sinn Fein along with their cosy relationship with the DUP in government.Voting Conservative and Unionist will be the first step in bringing this Sinn Fein/ DUP edifice and expenses jamboree to an end while a vote for the DUP is a vote to keep the carve- ups, stitch- ups and stand- offs at Stormont in place.Only Conservatives and Unionists can truly win for unionism representing all the people and ensuring real change and influence in Europe,Westminister and London.

    Conservatives and Unionists in governmnent have promised legislation to end multiple mandates,reform St Andrews arrangenments ,introduce tax incentives for SMEs and a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty ,the biggest constitutionsl issue of this parliament and on which three DUP MPs failed to vote.

    This is real influence and real change.In Europe Jim Nicholsion will be part of a wider Conservative grouping with influence in shaping Europe of the future.

    Voting Conservative and Unionist means real change that goes wider than Europe it means getting rid of stand-offs and carve- ups at Stormont along with this bankrupt and dicredited Labour Government now propped up by the DUP in side deals on expenses,dual mandates and policing and justice; both parties being equally scared of a general election.At last we see an outward looking wider vision for Unionism that engages with the rest of the UK and participates and contributes to the Union.

  • “The Reality is….”

    Unrepentent fenian scumbag,as you so charmingly describe yourself, may make you feel such a brave boy but really, you’re just a sad excuse for a contributor.

    I presume the administrator has not seen the vile abuse hurled by way since Mick Fealty and I take a similar view on how to treat those who use abuse to cover up their inability to articulate so much as on reasoned coherent sentence.

  • The reality is

    [i]…..may make you feel such a brave boy but really, you’re just a sad excuse for a contributor……I take a similar view on how to treat those who use abuse to cover up their inability to articulate so much as on reasoned coherent sentence. [/i]

    Sorry, what was that you were saying about coherent sentences?

  • Barnshee

    The prods will vote 1DUP 2TUV 3UUP and stop- The micks will vote 1SF 2SDLP stop The remaining candidates will get a few votes from the ” mixed marriage” section or Alliance as it prefers to be known and those who think they have to vote for all