Sinn Fein: Can’t keep army out, can’t stop dissidents…

DESPITE going to Press before last night’s shooting, John Mooney’s article seems remarkably prescient, and on another day might have been decried as scaremongering. His story detailed security force fears that dissidents were “planning opportunistic gun attacks on individual police officers”.

“The RIRA and CIRA are no longer obsessed with the notion of mounting a ‘spectacular’ bomb attack on a high profile target,” said a security source. “It is just as likely that, sooner or later, a PSNI officer on the beat will be shot dead by a stranger who simply walks up to them and produces a gun.”

Mooney also reports that the dissident republican groups have become increasingly splintered, “making monitoring more difficult. The RIRA has divided into four groups and the CIRA has split”. If true, perhaps this need for more intelligence resources best explains the use of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment – an attack was rightly predicted as imminent, but the fact that it happened suggests a lack of specific knowledge by the police and army. Now go to iPlayer and listen to Inside Politics from yesterday afternoon. Martin McGuinness characterised the “damaging” decision to use the SRR against dissident “micro-groups” as “stupid” and “dangerous”, “like stepping back in time”, and sending out “a very negative message” to “deal with a threat that many people think is over-inflated”. But he did not answer Devenport’s question about whether the introduction of the SRR would be worth it if it saved a life. Caught like a deer in the headlights, Sinn Fein have been made to look weak and ineffectual by, ironically, both the Chief Constable and hardline militant republicanism. No wonder there’s still no response at time of writing from Sinn Fein on the shooting.

  • Harry Flashman

    A couple of years ago when military helicopters were removed from Derry along with the rest of the troops my brother predicted that the easiest attack to mount would be using sustained automatic gunfire on a police patrol. Given the absence of any rapid response and the inexperience of most PSNI officers it could result in a massacre.

    Well it didn’t happen in Derry and it was against unsuspecting troops on a Saturday night but he seems to have been proven right.

    Frankly unless we go back to the bad old days of permanent checkpoints and heavily armoured bases and police cars and no one wants that I’m not convinced we won’t be seeing more of this in the future.

  • IRIA

    Yes, it’s MMcG’s fault of course! No border, no attack.

  • Dave

    “an attack was rightly predicted as imminent”

    That’s a bit disingenuous. Orde predicted an attack on the police, not on the army. Therefore, he has not been proved right by an attack occurring that was fundamentally different in nature than the attack that he predicted.

    “We have said consistently that the threat has increased against police officers. We are very clear – they are determined to kill police officers going about their normal duty of keeping people safe.”

    If anything, he has been ‘proven’ wrong in that he failed to warn that an attack on the army was imminent. Perhaps because such an attack on the army wasn’t imminent before he made it imminent by calling in the SAS? That decision created uproar in the nationalist community, and it is likely that this attack was in response to it, being a quick in-and-out job.

    At any rate, the ugly game has now changed for the worse with the army via the SRR being actively involved again, and the paramilitaries responding to it. As soon as the SAS do their first summary execution or the loyalists whack a catholic, you’re all right back where you started wondering if history will repeat itself or if MI5’s control of the NI’s establishment will be enough to keep the whole peace process edifice in mid air by its own gravity-defying suspenders…

  • Harry Flashman

    Another aspect as to why this tactic is very worrying is that there is little that intelligence can do against it. Making a bomb takes a huge effort, a lot of time and lots of people are involved all along the way, there is ample time for warnings to be passed on to the police.

    This sort of attack can be organised in minutes with minimum planning and only a very small number of gunmen need be involved right up to the moment the triggers get pulled. In retrospect it’s only surprising that it’s taken so long to happen.

    Can you imagine what the police response times to burglaries and traffic accidents are going to be like in the future? The much sought after “normal” policing has just been set back ten years.

  • Dave

    Orde said that those groups have switched to targeting police officers for precisely the reason you surmised, Harry – it’s a lot easier than organising a so-called spectacular.

    This attack has huge shock value due to the army being the target, so that will be reported more widely around the world than a car bomb or even two police officers being shot. It is an escalation, for sure.

    It’s depressing but this type of low level terrorism should be containable as long as neither the SAS nor the loyalists start getting trigger happy in response. It’s best policy to deal with it through the criminal justice system. I think the SAS move was a very bad mistake that alarmed a great number of people that the police need to keep onside.

  • ed

    why is it sf’s job to control the dissidents?

    Surely thats the job of the supposedly best police force in the world

  • amber valence

    Ed – possibly because if anyone knew who the attackers were, it would be the “entirely separate & distinct organisation..”, aka SF aka Provo aka Adams & McG et al?
    If they rilly-trooly don’t, then THEY have the age old problem of young bucks eager for their whiff of cordite.

  • cynic

    ….. and why no SF response? Having a lie in are they? Or just trying to work out how to gain political advantage?

  • As of 8am, Sinn Fein weren’t the only ones not to comment – at least online. RTE didn’t post an entry on their website until 8am. The Sunday Independent had an item on their ‘Breaking News” section but haven’t updated their main front page yet. Irish Times updated their main page at around 7.30 am.
    Slugger, on the other hand, posted its 4th post by 3.17 am.

    There must be no-one manning the main news websites overnight.

  • Scaramoosh

    This is Sinn Fein’s rubicon. The brains that worked so hard to craft every IRA statement that was released during the troubles, will have been hard at work getting the response right. For they know that with these killings, they have reached a definitive no-turning back point….

  • This, I hope, will shut up everyone – whether they be SF/PIRA, loyalists, securocats, posters, politicians, etc., – who have been playing down the threat as the dissidents have proven themselves not to be a paper tiger – what I have never claimed. That’s why they are called dissidents.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    The SOS observation, some months ago, that delays in implementing Police and Justice would help create the environment in which the dissidents threat would grow may well have been proven correct.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    I think Gordon Brown has implictily backed that position (as post 12) by suggesting this incident should not derail the Peace Process.

    The SDLP statement is in line with the SOS observations and I suspect SF will say something similar as well as correctly condemning the attack.

    Those trying to slow down the peace process must not be allowed to use this as an excuse to prevent progress.

  • BonarLaw

    Sammy

    So the weekend after the P&J;Bill passed the Commons was an obvious date for an attack?

    If I may say, a shameless attempt to deflect blame and score a cheap political point.

  • Right, Sammy, but I was expecting my reference to securocats would finally bring the apparently all-knowing Marty aka Intelligence Insider out of the woodwork with at least another dismissal of me.

    The drive-by shooting of engineers shows that the killings were an incredible security failure.

    Time that the securocats took themselves more seriously.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Boner

    “If I may say, a shameless attempt to deflect blame and score a cheap political point”

    This is uspposed to be a peace process it must continue – just like Gordon Brown says – that is the bigger picture – I turn your remarks above back on yourself.

  • Has the Deputy First Minister travelled to the scene to express his revulsion at the murders and his respect for the Army, yet?

    I note the First Minister has issued a statement – did it meet with the approval of his pal Martin? In the wording, Robinson makes reference to those who carried this out having “no support”. Does this mean that if they have support, murder is then OK?

    The utter depravity of appeasing terrorism is writ clear this morning. But the peace processors carry on regardless.

  • Padraig

    Maybe if we send ‘the boys’ back to home to Blighty from Iraq, Afghanistan and Ireland they wouldn’t end up going back home on in boxes,

    Oh, but I forgot, they’re ‘peacemakers’….aren’t they????

  • Intelligence Insider

    Trow, I’m not Martin, I’ll let him speak for himself if he decides to post. What occurred last night was a typically cowardly attack by whichever of the ira’s were responsible. Much as I dislike Hugh Orde I think he has been proven right in his decision to deploy the SRR in Ulster.

  • SGC

    Cheap words from Mark Durkan of the SDLP. His member Dolores Kelly along with others in Sinn Fien subjected the Chief Constable to a torrent of verbal abuse in relation to bringing in more help to counter the imminent attacks by so called dissidents, they have given succour to this people and the consequences of their actions. SHAME ON THEM ALL we now have several families thrown into grief for what political ideals I will be praying for the families of the dead and injured.

  • Where’sthelaw

    David

    Good post. The DUP have gone very weak on terrorism. Sinn Fein will know who committed last night’s act. They will issue some sort of statement calling for people to engage with the police – same vein as Quinn and McCartney. They will also blame Orde and the Government but will get more concessions for smuggling PIRA members in return for the deployment of the SRR and some tit bits on the dissidents. Everything will be done now to ensure Sinn Fein won’t fracture and as for the PSNI’s efforts in cathing last night’s scum – don’t hold your breath. If anyone is interested in the antics to stop the smugglers see link:http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/home-office-pulls-plug-on-smugglers-tax-deal-14209253.html

  • Reader

    It was Sammy: The SOS observation, some months ago, that delays in implementing Police and Justice would help create the environment in which the dissidents threat would grow may well have been proven correct.
    So, you think that if Policing and Justice is devolved immediately, the dissident republicans will be unable to gather three men and two guns?

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    this has been on the cards for sometime. the spotlight in now on SF to show leadership for their community.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Firstly, I’d like to register my own disgust and condemnation at these killings. As a republican I may hold no truck with the British army and long for the day such regiments are no longer stationed in Ireland, but I am absolutely opposed to any form of violence being waged against them and would sympathise with their families at this time.

    The new political dispensation ushered in the by the Good Friday Agreement has transformed political relations in Ireland and has the overwhelming consent of every section of the community and those working outside of the Agreement can not be allowed to succeed in their endeavours to undermine its stability.

    Gonzo
    I don’t actually think your post will accurately reflect the sentiment of the vast majority of nationalists in the north. When you claim Sinn Fein have been made to look weak and ineffectual by Orde and the Dissidents, I think you underestimate the capacity of the nationalist community to appreciate and empathise with the position Sinn Fein are in, attempting to promote support for the PSNI whilst dissidents attempt to portray themselves as the genuine republicans in this new post-Agreement era.

    I’ve no doubt Sinn Fein will unequivocally condemn this dreadful killing and advise anyone with information to contact the PSNI, but the party will be speaking for the vast majority of nationalists (as was the SDLP) in registering strong opposition to Orde’s decision to bring in British Special Forces.

  • The return Of Herr Vance’s moustache.

    ‘The utter depravity of appeasing terrorism is writ clear this morning. But the peace processors carry on regardless.’

    The people who carried this out haven’t been appeased hence the attack. Those ex-terriers in govt had nothing to do with this, but then Mr Vance doesn’t do logic or reality

  • Bemused

    “I’ve no doubt Sinn Fein will unequivocally condemn this dreadful killing and advise anyone with information to contact the PSNI, but the party will be speaking for the vast majority of nationalists (as was the SDLP) in registering strong opposition to Orde’s decision to bring in British Special Forces.”

    Posted by Chris Donnelly on Mar 08, 2009 @ 10:59 AM

    They won’t be speaking for me or any of the nationalists that I know. You don’t get it do you? The ‘vast majority’ of law-abiding nationalists now have no problem in dissident vermin being targeted and dealt with by whatever lawful means necessary. That’s what you and your terrorist cheer-leading mates don’t seem to grasp. IF whatever special security services were brought in to deal with these scum began to murder them in the streets in the way that was done historically then fair enough – no one would object louder than me. Are you seriously suggesting that that is what is now being proposed? You must be joking. Orde has been trying to bring in highly sophisticated covert surveillance specialists for some time. Last night’s events make it clear that they are needed. If you don’t understand that then fine but don’t start claiming that the ‘vast majority’ of nationalists are as blinkered and pea-brained as you.

    P.S. Maybe it’s time for one of your usual risible little articles highlighting some isolated one-sided piece of anti-catholic sectarianism in the north. Twat.

  • Where’sthelaw

    Chris

    You said

    ‘I’ve no doubt Sinn Fein will unequivocally condemn this dreadful killing and advise anyone with information to contact the PSNI’

    When will this happen – they have had plenty of time to release a statement – if a policeman had shot a republican they would have not only released a statement but would have organised a rally, printed t shirts and be off to Washington – all within the first 12 hours.

    Get real – SF pick and choose the law and everyone lets them do it. They will release a statement but we have heard these all before.

  • “Ex-terriers”? Oh, you mean former terrorists?

    So, the republican community which supported IRA murder and depravity now feels oh-so-upset at this latest republican atrocity?

    Come on, just be honest and admit that Sinn Fein/IRA noses are put out of joint when another gang of savages starts murdering so infringing copyright.

  • Paul R

    Given that Orde has been warning of attacks on security personnel for some time now, and the threat level has been raised accordingly, how come the Massereene barracks was an open target? How did the attackers get away with it? It is surprising, to say the least, that they could drive up to an army barracks, shoot away with machine guns, and drive off again without being apprehended – on a straight road with no turnoffs.

  • kellbeag

    A bit of a shock this even though the likes of it had been predicted for some time.It can be argued that the conditions that have led to this attack can be linked to the total ineffectuality of the tactics of SF and their failure to obtain anything concrete from the much vaunted ‘peace process’. Their scaling back of expectations and refusal to stand their ground on any issues of note opens the door for the re-emergence of armed republicanism.

  • Observer.

    What a depressing and sick place this is to live in.Loads of condemnation with little subtle qualifications. Orde was right, Orde was wrong, pray for the day when these regiments are not stationed here anymore!! Makes me sick to hear this sort of claptrap. Two people lie dead this morning. Their families shocked and future shattered. No tears, crocodile or otherwises, no platitudes can restore life to the young victims. Whats the game plan? Thirty years of it and over 3000 people killed and thousands left scarred did not advance anyone’s game plan one inch. Two young solders who would rather have been out on the town enjoying themselves like the rest of us drew the short straw and copped for Saturday night guard duty. They had settled down to catch some of the action from match of the day and had maybe ordered the pizza’s to snack on. Next minute they are stone dead. How do the people who did this feel today? They may even be reading this or someone who knows something about these vile murders could be reading this. Will they eat their fry this morning without missing a chew? Will they be able to look fellow human beings in the eye? Are they proud of what they did? Do they consider it a good nights work? More importantly would they share with the rest of us why they did it and what they hope to achieve.

    Frankly this place, 26 counties, 6 counties, North of Ireland. the North of the Island, Ireland, whatever terms you use is not worth one drop of anyone’s blood. I don’t feel very proud of where I was born and where I chose to live and bring up a family this morning. Feel like getting out and just leaving it to scumbags to create their idea of utopia

  • Jonny Kane

    So republicans once again begin their dance of death. There is no compromise with these people.

    All those who hyped the use of a handful of specialist military personnel at PSNI HQ, all those who weekly condemn “political policing” have blood on their hands.

    The republican community, and its leadership, know who these people are but they will not give them up. There will be no effective security response for fear of upsetting republicans.

    Individual police and military personnel can only look to their own personal security. There will be no cavalry coming over the hill to help.

  • The return of Herr Vance’s moustache

    DV’s ‘anger’ at murder is for some reason put on hold when the victims have swarthy skin, but here as its noble british soldiers….his double standards are sickening.

  • ??

    the lack of response from the shinners is worrying. This could easily develop into a poltical nightmare

  • danielmoran

    belfast gonzo. it’s maybe a case of self fulfilling prophecy, if orde had simply brought the forces in while remaining silent, [after all he managed to say nothing during hours of ‘being held to account’ by the policing board so called, then goes out and makes this statement to the press. This attack is more likely the work of a few, [without having to plan intensively, unlike a bomb attack]. yo can safely discount anything vance says, he sees only fault on the other side.
    i would say the political party looking most exposed in front of their voters after this attack is not the shinners, oddly enough, but the
    dup. especially since, as far as their following is concerned, they’re opposed to sharing power with any republicans full stop.

  • Bemused

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0308/massereene.html

    Here’s the first reaction that I can find from the Shinners. Predictably uses the usual lukewarm ‘wrong’ to condemn the murders. What a vile bet-hedging cunt. I can’t wait for the next electoral process in the North – hopefully these scum will now be given a firm kick to the bollocks by the electorate.

  • “if orde had simply brought the forces in”

    Daniel, I imagine that Orde was merely the spokesman for a decison made by the Government and a tactic that would most likely have been discussed with their counterparts in Dublin.

  • Tomorrows People

    I used to visit and post here regularly 3-4 years ago and decided to return following last nights tragic events to see if there had been any fundamental changes in the content of the posts.

    Good to see some of the republican posters,that I remembered have ‘mellowed’. Yet there seem to be some young turks who are either too young or stupid to remember the bad auld days.

    Sadly there appears to be the same old rhetoric eminating from the unionist/loyalist posters and politicians who seem to feel comfortable that we are back on ‘familiar’ territory and are spared the embarressment of displaying their lack of ability discussing and making decisions about issues which may facilitate actual change.

  • Harry Flashman

    The Times is now reporting that the soldiers were “finished off” while on the ground and that the pizza delivery men were also hit in the initial burst (there is no report of the army shooting back).

    If so this was a particularly savage attack.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Chris Donnelly,

    I hope everyone appreciates your forthright condemnation of the attack. I think there will be a section of Sinn Fein’s core support who will be ambivalent, but given the recent public debate about victims and victimhood, I am sure there are many republicans who will believe that this attack was wrong.

    It’s very sad to see on this thread that there are some people for whom it is useful to have a couple of dead soldiers around to enable them to make a political point.

  • picador

    Given that Orde has been warning of attacks on security personnel for some time now, and the threat level has been raised accordingly, how come the Massereene barracks was an open target?

    Particularly given the attempt on Ballykinlar.

    It seems there has been some complacency on the part of the powers that be. The Intelligence Services must surely be confident that they have a handle on the dissidents but somehow this got past them.

    Contrary to what I thought before (when it was being reported that the gunmen were disguised as pizza men) it would seem that this attack involved few people and was put together quickly. Thus it was not compromised.

  • iluvni

    ‘Dissidents’?…hmmmmm

    I think what we saw last night was a stark reminder to the Brits of what they can expect if they dont give Republicans the respect they expect.
    You bring in your ‘special forces’ and the leash will be loosened.

  • SGC

    Mike

    I think you need to remove number 17 this posting is nothing short of encouraging murder of the type which we all find abhorrent in Antrim last night. This vile ranting which advocates more of this to continue does nothing for the present situation if bloggers cannot have some mercy on the bereaved and injured then I will slowly lose my faith in human nature.

    More scrutiny of postings is required please

  • just wondering

    What is the likelihood that this attack was related to events outside Ireland rather than within it?
    After all, the British army is involved in a number of wars and this might be a reaction to one of them.

  • Pigeon Toes

    There are real questions to be asked surrounding the security at Massereene.

    Why if the code had gone to amber or red were they not briefed and following military protocol for such a situation?

    Why was there no return fire?

    My sympathies go to the families of those bereaved and injured.

  • veritas

    So Order asks for the under cover force which was implicit in the murder of countless Catholics to be stationed here….

    Dissidents then kill two soldiers…..link?

    Create the problem and have the solution already in place!!!

    By the way…SF didn`t kill the soldiers!

  • Oh Noes

    Sure in a few years the GAA will probably have a cup named after these terrorists and celebrate the brave soldiers of Ireland, so it is still a bit early to gauge the real nationalist reaction to this sickening act of terrorism. Think it couldn.t happen, then think thomas mcelwee who butchered a 26 year old mother of three. But no doubt someone will enlighten me to how one of these acts of terrorism was good and the other bad ?. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the deceased and injured. Nationalism is at the crossroads, and the question is do they really want peace ???

  • Gregory

    “Making a bomb takes a huge effort, a lot of time and lots of people are involved all along the way, there is ample time for warnings to be passed on to the police.”

    Not really, it is quite easy & then you put it in a van.

    The bigger it is, the more there is to carry, but the electronics, and chemicals are simple and easy to do.

    “and lots of people are involved all along the way,”

    That would be a factor, there is potentially (with ANFO) a possibly sizable manufacturing component.

    Otherwise with a C4 or Semtex, or a small device, 20 kgs (ANFO) or etc. not by necessity, specialist bombs, a little bit more.

    could it be, that bombs involve more talking for whatever reason?

  • RG Cuan

    After reading the reports about the execution style manner in which the soldiers were killed, I’m just wondering if there have been any similar killings by Republicans over the last 30 years?

    If not, something is certainly out of place…

  • Samantha

    How did the attackers get away with it? It is surprising, to say the least, that they could drive up to an army barracks, shoot away with machine guns, and drive off again…

    It would appear to me that the three scumbags ordered a pizza (to the army barracks) then followed the delivery men…and that is when the shooting took place!

    Post 17 is an utter disgrace, infact it makes me feel ill! How can you possibly say that, in your words ‘republicans’ (I would say murderous scum) deserve respect? It is people such as yourself that bring NI back to its dark days! Twat!

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    OK, Operation Banner is over but regarding this murderous attack, and with the constant talk from Hugh Orde over the last few months of a serious and imminent attack by “republican” renegades, it is somewhat odd that the security at the barracks appears to be rather slack. Surely security measures should have been tightend at police and army barracks within the last few months. I take it that there should be CCTV footage too of the incident at the gate.
    After the constant talk-up of an attack, Hugh Orde is now playing it down by saying that it is only a ‘minority’ causing the grief.
    These murders would be regarded as a ‘hit’ by the killers so it is kinda odd that those responsible haven’t declared or ‘boasted’ so yet…CIRA, RIRA …etc..
    Odd that this occured only a day or so after it was announced that British special intelligence forces are to be re-introduced to NI, much to the disgruntlement of the Nationalist MLAs for not being informed.

    The whole affair is awful. May those horrible dark days never come back of NI’s Troubles, where bombings, shootings, murder, mayhem, collusion, denial and cover ups prevailed and people lived in fear.

    Given the likes of this awful and shameful incident I can see how Unionists are wary of the Irish Nationalist community, and the ‘hardmen’ who advocate their version of a ‘United Ireland’, when such psychotic murderers do something like this in the name of Ireland or whatever, especially when peace seems to be established. No wonder ordinary Unionists want no part of it, and one can’t blame them…. especially with such sociopaths amongst the midst of those who call themselves republicans.

  • picador

    This investigation is a major challenge for the PSNI. Let’s hope they’re up to it.

  • iluvni

    I think those criticising comment #17 havent understood it.

  • Samantha

    iluvni

    Enlighten me…

  • Erin go Bragh

    I find no fault with POST 17:
    This is NOT my opinion, I am simply explaining / clarifying some previous issues…

    from a “true” Republican point of view, the soldiers represented the British Establishment, therefore were deemed to be “legitimate targets.”

    As Gregory mentioned in another post, “there would not be many tears shed in the Nationalist community over the death of British soldiers…” TRUE

  • Samantha

    iluvni…

    I understand what you mean now…apologies!

  • clonakilty

    R’G Cuan

    You seem puzzled by the way the soldiers were shot and think it might be unusual. F.F.S, get a grip, never mind soldiers or police , look at the dozens of people the ‘good’ IRA executed while bound, gagged and blindfold.Look at the UDR men going about in their daily jobs as milkmen or postmen until someone came up beside them and shot them and finished them off after they fell. Is is so difficult for you to accept that ‘dissidents’ might have the capacity to do this? does the possibility upset your worldview?

  • clonakilty

    R.G. Cuan
    there once was a ‘char wallah’, an Indian who went around British Army bases making tea for the soldiers as his father had done before him. He came to Sth Armagh where the ‘good’ IRA stopped his car and shot him dead for his tea making. Soldiers nor police were not served in republican sth Armagh by shopkeepers or publicans.They are still not served. These new IRA are not half as ruthless as the ‘good’ Ira were.

  • Micky Cooper

    “This investigation is a major challenge for the PSNI. Let’s hope they’re up to it. ”

    Let them go knock on the door of the branch at Hollywood, the answers to these murders lie there !

    May those who died RIP and those injured make a full recovery.

  • Chris Donnelly

    It’s very sad to see on this thread that there are some people for whom it is useful to have a couple of dead soldiers around to enable them to make a political point.

    Comrade Stalin
    Sad but nevertheless predictable.

    Bemused
    ‘cunt’ and ‘twat’ within two posts separated by less than hours. My we are a bitter wee man, aren’t we?

    Oh, and somehow I’d be willing to place a considerable wager that Sinn Fein won’t be given a kicking in the next election after this.

  • danielmoran

    still waiting for sunny jim [allister] to get his hapennyworth in. this attack, which looks more opportunistic than planned, won’t do him any harm at the euro elections, especially if they [real ira] are able to follow it up with other strikes in the next two months or so. no prizes for guessing which candidate will get the most abuse from jim, of course, diane dodds is a gift to him anyway. JA knows as a former dup man, that the base dup voters don’t make any distinction between republican groups.

  • securocrat

    RG Cuan,

    “After reading the reports about the execution
    style manner in which the soldiers were killed, I’m just wondering if there have been any similar killings by Republicans over the last 30 years?”

    No, the provos tickled people to death.

    “If not, something is certainly out of place… ”

    Let’s blame the Brits.

  • danielmoran

    kellbeag msg 5…. have to agree with you on that, unfortunately. even though i thought over the maze business, the shinners managed well to lead the dup in a direction, not in the unionist interests, they’ve probably lost a lot of nationalist votes [not to the sdlp, though, those ones won’t bother voting any more]
    in fact on the day in 2007 the shinners put the dup into office in the first place, they lost some support.