Spides on film…

THE blurb: A hard-edged shortform docudrama dealing with life on Belfast’s mean Streets. Lockies and his teenage gang do ‘whatever the fuck they want’ on Belfast’s streets, until a no-nonsence TV presenter gets in their way.

  • veritas

    shocking because it`s so realistic

  • The Raven

    And unfortunately, life and art get very close sometimes.

  • wikipedia on the term spide

    A spide is a pejorative stereotype, in Northern Ireland, particularly in Belfast, of a person who has a particular dress code and attitude. Spides are often young unemployed male adults.[1] The term predates “chav” (originally slang from south-east England, now widespread in the UK media) by at least a decade, and while the description is similar, it is not identical. The female version of Spide is “millie”.

    There are many negative perceptions associated with the stereotype. These include allegations that they engage in anti-social behaviour. They are also often seen as boy racers, who loiter in car parks and public places playing music loudly from modified cars with up-rated hi-fi’s. Many wear Berghaus fleeces, fake jewellery, tracksuits (usually in light colours), white trainers and baseball caps (often fake Burberry.[2])

  • Seimi

    Great film. Very difficult viewing, but great. Maith thú Vinty.

  • Rory Carr

    Well at least we had a happy ending what with Jimmy having a much needed bath and swearing off the drink, saved by the sacrifice of his good mate Snowy. Fuck Forrest Gump! I say, give us our fuckin’ Oscar!

  • Smug O’ Toole

    This proves that there is no God, because if God was as wise as he’s meant to be, he wouldn’t have given a gift such as youth to those who will never appreciate it. I feckin’ HATE knakers.

  • Doctor Who

    Jaysus that was dreadful.

    It reminded me of that classic Monty Python sketch about a marauding bunch of Hell´s Grannies bothering the middle classes.

    About half way through the crew (many of whom are experienced NI mdia types), realised hey the spides are only bothering the well to do, better hire a couple of tramps.

    Better throw in a rape as well, that´s gritty isn´t it. And hey they say the´re coming for you if you have money. “Fair play to them like, keep it lit like, dey earned a bit for the hip like”. Oh fucking hell it is dreadful.

    The one saving grace was the “spides”, where they real spides? If not some of them should be in Hollywood on Sunday night.

    Oh yeah Jimmy got off the cider at the end and gave emself a wee wash in da werks. Ach Snowy he´s always there for me, keeping we warn at night like.

    Im going to watch it again it is so funny.

  • Rory Carr

    “Ach Snowy he´s always there for me, keeping we warn at night like.”

    Yeah. I thought it was a wee bit Brokeback Belfast as well (not that there’s anything wrong with that – he hastens to add).

  • Doctor Who

    Rory I think the character of Snowy was based on the late lamented Gerry boke beard. Great fella Gerry, showed the tramps of Belfast how best to avoid hypothermia.

  • Erich O’Blaighir

    Is ‘Doctor Who’ a pseudonym for Ruth Dudley Edwards? Is ‘Rory Carr’the real Robert McCartney?

  • Doctor Who

    And is Erich O´Blaighir the original Richard Head.

  • Rory Carr

    I’m afraid you’ve lost me there, Erich, but I sure am jealous – that seems like some serious shit you’ve been smoking.

  • Erich O’Blaighir

    Great film by the way. Well done to the crew and cast. Maith sibh.

  • Postie

    Those crazy misunderstood kids and their jolly japes eh – oh how they love ‘da craic’.

    Someone call a social worker quick Who knows, maybe if they’re nice to the spides they won’t ‘bate da ballicks outty ‘im’.

  • Comrade Stalin

    About half way through the crew (many of whom are experienced NI mdia types), realised hey the spides are only bothering the well to do, better hire a couple of tramps.

    FWIW, the “spide” problem, ie anti-social behaviour, effects working classes and middle classes. Some of the areas you hear most about, eg in West Belfast or the New Lodge, aren’t Malone Park paradises. You don’t have to be middle class to feel anger if the car you have worked hard to own is subject to being carjacked, stolen or burnt out, or if the abandoned house next door is being used for all-night drinking/drugs parties.

    This is a topic I get really right-wing about. Anyone who successfully manages to cleanse the streets of this anti-social crap is going to get support from across the board. A combination of carrot and stick is required. Anti-social behaviour requires harsher jail sentences and punishment. Unchecked, it just leads to more serious crime. At the same time, we need to do more to understand what leads to it starting in the first place.

  • Rory Carr

    So, Comrade Stalin, you would be tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime. Now there’s a novel idea. But somehow I can’t see it catching on.

  • Grassy Noel

    Animal experiments, that’s the answer.

    Free the labs of rabbits, monkeys, beagles and whatever else. Round up the leisure-wear lumpenproletariat otherwise known as violent spides, and use them to for all manner of experimentation all to the eventual betterment of mankind.

    We might even discover if these individuals might be ‘cured’ using special ‘treatments.’

    And I don’t think I’m being extreme.

  • Neil

    Anti-social behaviour requires harsher jail sentences and punishment.

    Man, they can’t even put hoods with dozens of offenses behind bars. It’s absolutely ridiculous. The cops might show up if something happens, but if it’s not serious they won’t even bother. When they do the magistrate will then set the scum loose again, for example see Andytown news story on the hijacker on the falls road.

    Tens of thousands of people watched the footage on youtube, there were witnesses clamouring to be interviewed by the cops, and in the end the case was dropped due to lack of evidence, (or effort). Fucking ridiculous.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Man, they can’t even put hoods with dozens of offenses behind bars. It’s absolutely ridiculous. The cops might show up if something happens, but if it’s not serious they won’t even bother. When they do the magistrate will then set the scum loose again, for example see Andytown news story on the hijacker on the falls road.

    The cops and their attitude is part of the problem, but it turns out that there’s a lot of bureaucracy within the PSNI. It’s not up to the task of seriously tackling anti-social behaviour. Frankly, though, I don’t know if there are any police forces elsewhere in the UK doing a better job.

    Around here recently the police were called to deal with a crowd of youths bothering residents. They showed up about 15 minutes later; then the youths began to chuck bricks and stones, and the police immediately backed off. Whenever they are likely to come under attack they need to be “suited up” with armour (due to very understandable health/safety requirements; there’s no point in them going ill-equipped into a situation where they’re likely to get injured and have to go off duty). My perception is that that adds a couple of hours to things, during which time the wee bastards live it up, breaking windows, vandalizing cars etc.

    However, I can’t blame the cops for not being terribly enthusiastic when the judiciary aren’t handing down any more than a slap on the wrists to anyone the police eventually do catch. And when the little shits get out again, they make a point of intimidating and threatening those who called the police on them. And woe betide you if you turn up in court to give evidence. Woe betide you even more if you take matters into your own hands.

    So my opinion is that we need a new class of offence which applies to anyone loitering or causing some type of trouble within a fixed distance of residential property, which gets ratcheted up when that residential property is occupied by small children or pensioners. People who are caught persistently creating problems need to get stiff jail sentences. Harsh measures also need to be applied to parents who consistently fail to bring their offspring under control.

  • Spud Stealer

    Oh Dear, Dr Who? does not like it/get it at all. If you ask me he/she’s both a snob and a knob. He/she actually thinks that the film makers are some Belfast media types who haven’t a clue about real life, ‘oh lets throw a rape in, that’s gritty’. You couldn’t be further from the truth. The timelord needs to get back in his Tardis and travel forward to the real world. What a patronising (to the people of Belfast and Northern Ireland)and ignorant dullard.

  • moochin photoman

    I notice that the film will be shown as part of the Belfast Film Festival

  • Erich O’Blaighir

    Great news about the film festival screening: Those who count have taste. It’s evident ‘Ruth Dudley Edwards’ and ‘Bob Law McCartney’ weren’t on the selection committee.

  • Rory Carr

    Which is nice for them, Erich, as it means they won’t have to suffer sitting through yet another infernally excruciating screening of the bloody thing.

  • Ulster McNulty

    A wile melee

    “Spide” – The term predates “chav” (originally slang from south-east England, now widespread in the UK media) by at least a decade”.

    It’s at least three decades. The word “Spide” was very common in Belfast in the late 70’s. At that time I asked a wise, knowledgeable, old 14 year old what it meant and he told me “spiderman”. That made no sense to me but I didn’t ask anything more because it isn’t cool to know nothing. But I have wondered about it since, and I have been amused that every subsequent generation of “cool” Belfast teenagers think they invented it.

    Nevin has provided a very informative link to urban dictionary above which explains “comes from the spider tattoos worn by working class men..”

    This explanation makes a whole lot of sense because cobweb tattoos (not actually “spider” tattoos) on peoples necks were very common in Belfast in the late 70’s, on men, sometimes women, in their late teens or twenties. I have wondered before what happened to these people and their tattoos, as there should be loads of middle-aged men running about now with cobweb tattoos, but I never see any.

    Thanks for the link Nevin, mystery solved (or 100%plausible explanation anyway).

  • Erich O’Blaighir

    Correct Bob, anything that you and Ruth would find excruciating is likely to be well received by those who aren’t vitriolic and small minded.

    All the better that the film makes you so uncomfortable that you feel the need to lampoon it. All the better that the Belfast Film festival offers alternatives to the Hollywood hegemony.

    You’d be better to say nothing when you’ve nothing to say.