That would not be an ecumenical matter

It being Sunday and all that I thought I should note this. Balrog is one of web sites I would periodically look up: it is always worth looking at what one’s enemies think. Chris Gaskin has now decided to set up a separate site for his religious musings called The Flame of Truth. I suspect I am unlikely to agree with that much more of his religious than his political views. Still I think the site might be worth a periodic visit.

  • Catholic Observer

    Looks good. Thanks for highlighting this Turgon.

  • josephine

    [Keep it civil – edited moderator]

  • Mark McGregor

    Good luck to him, he finally seems to be putting his real views online. Can’t say I’ll be bookmarking it though.

  • Shore Road Resident

    When I was at school we were taught that people used to visit lunatic asylums as a form of entertainment. I think this was meant to imply that society had moved on. In fact, only technology has moved on.
    Gaskin should just hook up with Gerry McGeough and be done with it.

  • Damian O’Loan

    Turgon,

    I quite agree with your approach. From last week’s Guardian:

    ” Might we end up happier by exposing ourselves more often to serendipity, or even, specifically, to the people and things we don’t think we’d like?

    You don’t need technology to do that, but then again, technology needn’t be the enemy: Facebook could easily offer a list of the People You’re Least Likely To Know; imagine what that could do for cross-cultural understanding.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/31/oliver-burkeman-column-homophily

  • cynic

    I am not sure which is the larger evidence of insanity.

    First is the obsession with Papal infallibility and Canon Law. Look Chris, the Pope is almost 82 and he just made a mistake! You may think that people shouldn’t comment but, what the hell, it was a biggie!

    Then there’s Chris’s simple recipe for the reinvigoration of Sinn Fein

    “The party needs to invest in expertise and innovation, free itself of the shackles of laudable but otherwise counter-productive party rules and conventions and in the process equip itself with a refreshing and attractive policy platform to not only earn a place in government across the country but to utilize that position to transform the political scene in Ireland, in the process shifting others onto the ‘all-Ireland’ platform.”

    PS Chris- 68 word sentences usually don’t do it for most voters and the vast majority of Shinners wont be able to parse that, never mind understand it. And just to be sure that I wasn’t being unfair I ran it through MS Office. It gave it a ‘Reading Ease’ Score of 0

    Good luck anyway

  • picador

    Does that qualify as being ultramontane?

  • picador

    Still I think the site might be worth a periodic visit.

    Very droll, Turgon. And funny too!

  • fin

    I wonder did “A history of Christianity” on TV last night put you in this frame of mind. Probably the best one so far as it dealt with the reformation and included a very uncomfortable interview with the Doc.

  • Dec

    I suspect I am unlikely to agree with that much more of his religious than his political views.

    Odd statement since you both believe in the same God and that each other will burn in the flames of hell for eternity.

    Ps If God and heaven are so great why don’t more Christians pray for short terminal illnesses?

  • Rory Carr

    What a novel idea, Turgon. A thread that offers us the opportunity to say something nasty about another guy’s religious sensibilites. Should be great fun. I had no idea you were such a fun guy.

    I am not so sure that it will catch on in Northern Ireland though as historically the people there have been known to be painfully shy and reluctant to pass any comment whatsoever on another’s religious beliefs.

    Still a fella’s gotta try to liven things up some way on dreary wet Ulster Sunday afternoons. So good luck, I suppose.

  • cynic

    “A thread that offers us the opportunity to say something nasty about another guy’s religious sensibilites. ”

    And why not? You will be telling us next that the world was formed in 6000AD and its heresy to challenge anyone who says otherwise

  • laughable

    And why not?

    Why? What is its purpose? To inflame religious hatred imv. It’s not political, nor cultural so WTF is it doing here?

  • … You will be telling us next that the world was formed in 6000AD …

    Nice one, cynic! Maybe the civilised world will be created in 6000 AD … in which cse we have only 4000 years to wait …. whoopie, I’m getting excited already.

    Pity we’ll all be dead by then … 🙁

  • Turgon

    Rory,
    I was actually trying to give Mr. Gaskin some free publicity for his site. Clearly I do not like his political views at all and also disagree with his religious views a fair bit. As such I would regard it as hypocritical to say I agree with either. I do not, however, want to insult his religious views and I do not think I did.

    laughabale,
    I have pretty genunine reasons for being annonymous: if it distresses you you can ask Mick and he will explain.

    The main reason for highlighting Gaskin’s blog is explained above. I would like to gain a greater understanding of the religious views of Roman Catholics and I also think other Protestants should as well. It is an interesting part of NI culture. I am used to lots of people including nominal RCs attacking Roman Catholicism: as such someone defending it is interesting and a useful contribution to debate.

    Sorry if that sounds too nice but that was the reason for the blog.

  • Dave

    It’s a lot smarter to post under a pseudonym than it is to post under your real name. For one, you can’t libel a moniker, so you save a bundle on the legal fees; and you really don’t care who says what about you, so you save time and energy by being nonchalant about defending your e-reputation. In addition, you don’t have to worry about some e-nutcase taking violent offense to your posts and threatening to throw a petrol bomb into the family home.

  • Slugger O’Toole Admin

    Would the sock puppet on this and a couple of other threads please desist their behaviour and at least stick to one name. Thank you.

  • Rory Carr

    “…der Boni auf 600 Millionen Pfund belaufen.” ?

    Well, fuck me pink already! Who’d’a’ guessed it?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Chris writes :

    It is none of her or anyone else’s business to question the authority of the Supreme Pontiff in relation to Church issues.

    There’s not a lot anyone can sensibly add to that. Chris’ views on democracy and freedom have very clear boundaries.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Incidentally, wasn’t there an attempt a few decades ago within the Catholic Church to get the Pope to excommunicate IRA men ? That would have introduced an interesting conflict for people with Chris’ opinions.

  • Ulsters my homeland

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  • Mark McGregor

    ‘sock puppet otoole’,

    What’s that the sixth different name you’ve used today?

    How about you get over it? Its a tiny, tiny bit sad though I’d laugh if I didn’t know what you’ve descended to after such a positive start.

    Pathetic.

  • Well, well! Isn’t this a fine gathering of veritable scholars.

    Thanks for the plug Turgon.

    “Good luck to him, he finally seems to be putting his real views online. Can’t say I’ll be bookmarking it though.”

    Mark

    I have always posted my own views online.

    If you have only started doing that since you left the Republican Movement then that is your fault. You have become somewhat bitter since you have parted ways, a pity.

    “Gaskin should just hook up with Gerry McGeough and be done with it. ”

    Myself and Gerry McGeough disagree on a great many political and religious issues. The fact that you fail to grasp that is your own failing.

    “Odd statement since you both believe in the same God and that each other will burn in the flames of hell for eternity.”

    Dec

    I don’t believe that Turgon will burn in the fires of hell for all eternity. I don’t know the man and would never judge another.

    Comrade

    I believe in the separation of Church and State but that cuts both ways. The State (Merkel in this instance) has to stay out of Church affairs as well.

    In relation to excommunication of IRA men. Under what Cannon Law were such excommunications being sought?

    I can seek to live forever, it’s never going to happen.

    “First is the obsession with Papal infallibility and Canon Law”

    Cynic

    Where did I mention Papal Infallibility?

    In relation to Cannon Law, it governs the Church and my religion and since I come from a Legal background is it really that surprising that I would be interested in religious law?

  • The Fenians were excommunicated on the basis that the IRB oath was a violation of church doctrine. Excommunication does not have to be done by the Pope.

  • I never said it did have to be by the Pope Garibaldy. I simply asked which Canon Law the excommunications were being sought under.

    Thats all

  • I wasn;t suggesting you said it Chris. I thought if I provided the IRB information (which you probably know anyway) you might know the canon law.

  • picador

    The name of your site – The Flame of Truth. Is it a reference to The Spanish Inquisition?

  • Catholic Observer

    The lifting of the Williamson’s excommunication (which has been been widely misrepresented in the media) is good news for both traditionalists and Jews. Currently the Pope has no authority over the SSPX and the bishop is free to spout his idiocies unhindered. When the SSPX is brought back into full communion and given canonical recognition, His Lordship can be conveniently exiled, preferably to some far far away monastery.

    The excommunication of IRB members was latae sententiae and carried out under the Pio-Benedictine Code and its antecedent. The same punishment has not been retained in the 1983 CIC.

  • Dave

    I worry about young Chris’s mental wellbeing. If things continue to decline at this alarming rate, in a few years’ time, he’ll be the leader of the De Valera Cumman of Fianna Fail and getting into fistfights with Biffo for the last cherry-topped vanilla donut at the Galway Tent.

  • Rory Carr

    Excommunication of IRA members is nothing new. The Bishop of Cork and Ross Most Rev Dr Daniel Coholan excommunicated Tom Barry’s Flying Column a fortnight after the Kilmichael ambush.

    I recall speaking with the legendary Peadar O’Donnell in London shortly before his death and he told me of being sent to the Soviet Union as a delegate from the Republican Congress seeking arms and assistance. The Soviet officer who met him off the flight asked, “You are revolutionary, da?” O’Donnell agreeed that yes he was indeed a revolutionary. “How many bishops you shoot? Heh!” O’Donnell had to admit that so far he hadn’t in fact shot any bishops. Which caused the Russkie to scoff, “Bah! You’re not revolutionary.”

    But O’Donnell then went on to tell me that, following an excommunication order on IRA members at the tail end of the Civil War and the effect it was having on morale, recruitment and support from the community, the IRA did indeed seriously consider executing one particular bishop but finally decided against it as it might prove to be counter-productive.