At least Lanark way is open until 10p.m.

I got this little video from TG4, basically its a news report from the 1960’s on the role of the Irish army in the UN peacekeeping role on the island of Cyprus and the city of Jerusalem. (Theres nothing much new under the sun.) I agree with the narrator that Christmas is not a time for thinking about dissention, but wanted to ask does our soloution on this divided island offer any way forward to that other divided island, especially since the people in Cyprus rejected the Annan plan.while we embraced the agreement in huge numbers. Cyprus went on to then join the European union as a divided island.

But although we are a divided island, we have hope, we have moved on because of the GFA that our old divisions could hopefully, in time be put to one side. While Cyprus is in a dead end. They could learn from us couldn’t they? Haven’t we moved on? Yet a decade after the agreement Dover St/Percy St/Northumberland St gates close at around tea time – 6p.m. but Lanark way, which is more widely used stays open until 10p.m. Are the Cypriots more honest than we? Should we learn from their honesty in saying openly and honestly that they are still divided. Do you think we are still divided? Or has peace come to our divided cities and island, and should we market our achievement abroad as a way forward? The first few words are in Irish, but afterward its in English, check out the bullet holes in the walls, and the UN patrols in the streets.

  • OC

    Oh the irony!

    RoI helps to cement the legitimacy of divided islands, and lands: Cyprus, and Timor; Palestine.

  • Kathleen

    It is ironic, but what struck me about it was the guy at the beginning. At first I thought it was the British army being intervewed, there is so little difference between them, the other thing that struck me was the RTE accent, sounded almost like the BBC of the time.

  • CS Parnell

    Actually, in a way I’d be more optimistic about Cyprus than the North of Ireland. At least most Cypriots agree that they are, in fact, Cypriots, and they are generally wise enough to recognise that the path of European development is the one that leads on to prosperity.

    They are trying to live with their differences and neither community is (at least any more) trying to steamroller the other out of history.

    Too many people in the North are quite satisfied with the current situation. It is no wonder the Brits basically had to threaten plague and pestilence to get the deal done.

    A bit more of that would have been a good idea. After all we’d now have had the grammar schools gone and have less wastrel councillors about.

  • 6countyprod

    Do you think we are still divided?

    Cyprus has a long, complicated history of conflict between Greece and Turkey. Greece has had a presence there for over 3,500 years and has had to contend with the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Persians, the Romans, the English, the Venetians and, of course, more recently (last 500 years) with the Muslim Turks. (hope that is not a derogatory term for Turkish people).

    My wife and I visited the southern part of the island about 4 years ago. As we talked with numerous Greeks about the division of the island, you would think that the modern era Turkish invasion had only happened a few weeks previously. We bought a beautiful lace table thingy from one old Greek Cypriot lady and she almost started crying as she told us how she had lost everything when she was expelled from her home in north Nicosia. The invasion had occurred, in fact, 30 years previously. The wounds among the Greeks are still very raw.

    As for us, the island of Ireland is now divided between two countries in much the same spirit as the island of Britain is divided between England, Scotland and Wales; the island of Papua is divided between PNG and Indonesia; a Caribbean island is divided between Haiti and the Dominican Republic; the island of Borneo is divided between Malaysia and Indonesia; and Timor is divided between Indonesia and East Timor.

    The fact that all the main political forces on the island of Ireland have agreed that the status of NI and ROI will not change without the consent of a majority of the population in both parts of the island (or whatever the legal niceties were) should ensure a more civilised political process flowing from reciprocal respect and acceptance of one another’s culture and background.

    There is absolutely no reason why NI and ROI cannot continue to co-exist, working together side by side, and at the same time maintaining separate identities, for the good of all the people on the island.

    The Cypriots, sadly, have still a long way to go to get to where we are now.


    I’m looking forward to a thread discussing the serious crowd trouble that persists between Linfield & Glentoran football supporters. Today another full scale riot ensued between them. Never a game goes by that the PSNI riot squad is not called in. A few weeks ago a firework was throw onto the pitch by a Cliftonville fan and the media was in uproar. It was reported as one of the main news headlines on both the BBC & UTV. In addition the media are not slow to highlight on pitch trouble in the GAA, indeed the Unionist media love to show it. Somehow in Norn Iron the violence between these 2 clubs get airbrushed off the front pages by the Unionist media and Unionist IFA. It’s surely time UEFA stepped in and instructed the IFA to take points off both clubs. It’s currently the worst ongoing crowd trouble in football anywhere in these islands.

  • 6countyprod

    Already the excuses are being wheeled out by usual sources. ‘Minority of fans’, ‘slow reaction of the PSNI’ etc etc. The fans of these 2 clubs hate each other with a venom and cause trouble EVERY time they meet. It’s only a matter of time before someone is killed or seriously injured at these fixtures. A few years ago they rioted at the Oval in a League decider and 100’s of police have to deployed at their matches. Will there be serious debate and comment forthcoming from the DUP, UUP, IFA and Unionist media on this dangerous powderkeg fixture or will they save their venemous bigoted tongues for the GAA, as usual? I wouldn’t be surprised if they say the first stone came from Broadway and the innocent Blues & Glensmen JUST reacted to the guilty Fenians. It was NO surprise either that NO ONE was charged with the Loyalist football attack on Castle St/King St a few months ago, that story disappeared very quickly. Welcome to Norn Iron where Republicans are to blame for everything and Unionist/Loyalist violence, including their football trouble, is REACTIVE & always someone elses fault. You couldn’t make it up!

  • Franzipan

    Actually, in a way I’d be more optimistic about Cyprus than the North of Ireland. At least most Cypriots agree that they are, in fact, Cypriots, and they are generally wise enough to recognise that the path of European development is the one that leads on to prosperity.

    I agree with the objective points of your analysis, however the reason for it is largely that Greek Cypriots are not wishing for Cyprus to be subsumed as a part of Greece, but as an independent state which will of necessity be bi-national. Therefore it is not comparable with the agenda of Irish nationalism. The situations are not comparable. It is an island occupied by groups of neighbouring non-island cultures. Therefore the context is different.

  • Peter Brown


    As no-one has started the thread you asked forI will have to reply here – the fans generally do not hate each other with a venom, at least no more so than Liverpool and Man U rather then West Ham and Millwall.

    Many families aredivided including my own and I sat down to Christmas lunch with my mother and brother on Boxing Day and managed not to stick the carving knife in them before my borther headed to the match.

    There is trouble at Big Two games occasionally but the last time there was trouble at Windsor was several years ago and you yourself contradict your own assertion that it happens at every game when you point out that the last serious trouble was the season before last. Every time I have witnessed crown trouble at such matches it has been an amateurish attemto by one set of supporters to have a match abandoned that their team is losing and to date it has never worked.

    The last time it did it was for Cliftonville in a match against Ballymena United (County Antrim Shiedl Final?) and the reason the firework got so much attention was that it struck a Linfield player (incidentally a former Cliftonville player) – let those who are without sin cast the first stone, and if they do let them get their facts straight….

  • Mustafa Caramel

    I suspect that some of you are thinking that the CAPITAL king has finally gone off his trolly; but not so.

    It is an accepted fact that Linfield has supported the Turks on Cyprus since the 70s, even sending an International Brigade to fight during the invasion.

    Glentoran on the other hand are with the Greeks, mainly as they hold the view that Greece is the birthplace of Western cultural values.

  • latcheeco

    Surely as the glens themselves are eastern they were therefore supporting the Turks. Never let linfield supporters behaving like dirty arabs confused you.

  • While I want Cyprus to be at peace, I cannot deny that in the back of my mind I half-hope the political situation there is not solved for the forseeable future, as it constitutes an obstacle to Turkish EU membership to which I am adamantly opposed.