TUV into the future?

The TUV have launched their party website. This does at least demonstrate that they did not see Jim Allister’s personal website as the party website on a long term basis, which is a sign of a desire to develop a coherent party structure. However the TUV’s major problem is that Jim Allister is the only coherent spokesman they have, and if, as seems altogether likely, he loses his seat next year, the potency of the Jim Allister show will be to a greater or lesser extent neutered. This fact hangs suspiciously in the air around the DUP/SF deal on policing and justice at the point when stalemate was heading towards an Assembly election. The TUV are a real electoral threat to one part of DUP support, but with the next Assembly election not due until three years after the Euros, the TUV will need to find a way of keeping themselves in the frame, and that requires more than a one man band.

  • fix it

    Michael,
    the link doesn’t work

  • The link is http://www.tuv.org.uk

    Not hard, really!

    The site is still entirely a Jim Allister fan site. His is the only name I found on the whole thing (though I didn’t read every document the site links to). Don’t the TUV have other members? Officers? Councillors?

    PS I notice that the poor old DUP, in keeping with their policy of leaving manifestos on their site (to allow us to hold them to account, I suppose) still have Jim Allister’s grinning face here: http://www.dup.org.uk/pdf/DUPEuro2004Manifesto.pdf

    I’m surprised they keep it on their site. I wonder how long it’ll stay there.

  • 6countyprod

    Is that ‘coherant’ as in ‘coherent’?

  • Graeme Smyth

    Surely 2 years between the Euro and Assembly elections, Michael? Don’t the devolved institutions have term limits of four years apiece?

  • Don’t the devolved institutions have term limits of four years apiece?

    And the European Parliament has a fixed 5 year term. Which means that (all going well/badly, take your pick) in 2019 there will be almost simultaneous elections to the District Councils, Assembly and the European Parliament.

    Maybe they’ll throw in a border poll too at the same time. A bit late for 2016, but it’ll be the anniversary of the First Dáil so that’s good too.

  • Half Pint

    “The site is still entirely a Jim Allister fan site. His is the only name I found on the whole thing”
    Look harder.

    It looks very impressive.

  • catchagrip

    according to their website:
    the 4 Principles of Traditional Unionist Voice is:

    1. Wholly committed to the Union;
    2. Desirous of devolution compatible with democratic principles and precedents prevailing elsewhere in the UK, thus causing us to reject the present undemocratic mandatory coalition model which puts Sinn Fein in government;
    3. Adamant that the rule of law must prevail in every part of Northern Ireland and be administered without fear or favour;
    4. Supportive of traditional family values.

    but on their application form :
    The founding principles of ‘Traditional Unionist Voice’ are as follows:-
    1. To maintain and strengthen Northern Ireland as an integral part of the United
    Kingdom and oppose Irish unification.
    2. To ensure that any system of executive devolution is compatible with
    democratic principles and precedents prevailing elsewhere in the United
    Kingdom. In the absence of acceptable devolution Northern Ireland should be
    governed accountably as an integral part of the United Kingdom, having due
    regard to the prevailing regional ethos and values, and without unique, contrived
    political links to the Republic of Ireland.
    3. To have the rule of law prevail in every part of Northern Ireland and be
    administered without fear or favour.
    4. To support and promote traditional family values.

    Shouldn’t the wording be the same?

  • It looks very impressive.

    lol

    So you’re the webmaster then, Half Pint?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Horseman

    Since the DUP never tires of telling us that Jim was elected on that manifesto, I imagine his mug will be there for a while yet.

  • frustrated democrat

    I don’t agree with TUV or Allister but I know many who do.

    They are the replacement for the traditional DUP values before the DUP tried to become the UUP, so they will take a serious slice of the old DUP vote. From my totally non scientific discussions I would venture at least 15% and maybe as high as 25% in certain areas. The DUP loss of RIP and his replacement by PR as a leader also comes into play in their decision making process.

    So the DUP ignore the TUV’s appeal at their peril.

  • 6countyprod

    FD,
    I think you are right about the 15-25% DUP attrition rate. The ‘certain areas’ qualification is the operative phrase. It is only in a few parts of the province where this figure would be accurate, Ballymena and Craigavon being among the main ones. Province-wide, I doubt if the TUV will get much more than 10%.

  • 6countyprod

    10% of the former DUP vote, that is.

  • “Thus with 2 sitting Unionist MEPs it is unfortunate – despite all its empty rhetoric about unionist unity – that the DUP is intent on splitting the unionist vote.”

    Total nuttieness.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Is that Divis flats included in the silhouette at the bottom of the web page?

    Where’s the Rathcoole flats?

  • autocue

    Half Pint

    “It looks very impressive.”

    Self praise is no recommendation. I see also they are pushing a so-called policy document re Policing and Justice which has since been rpoven to be baseless in what it claimed was going to happen in relation to the issue.

    So there will now be two websites carrying nothing but Jim Allister’s anti-DUP bile, instead of one.

    Big whoop!

  • autocue

    “His is the only name I found on the whole thing (though I didn’t read every document the site links to). Don’t the TUV have other members?”

    Now, now don’t be silly, we have a statement from baby Allister (nudge, nudge Half Pint!) about Queens Students Union.

    What a Joke!!!

  • veritas

    TUV…

    spouting the hard line rhetoric the DUP where known for, ten years ago.

  • Carson’s Cat

    Horseman
    “PS I notice that the poor old DUP, in keeping with their policy of leaving manifestos on their site (to allow us to hold them to account, I suppose) still have Jim Allister’s grinning face here”

    I think the DUP have a lot less problems with the 2004 European Manifesto than Jim Allister does.

    After all, he’s the one running away from the fact that the manifesto upon which he was elected included mandatory coalition as a possible form of Government. Given that the DUP have repeatedly challenged Jim for moving away from what he was elected on I’d imagine they’ll keep the manfiesto there.

  • autocue

    CC

    You cheeky boy – do you not know Jim Allister didn’t write his manifesto and therefore it doesn’t count!

    He wouldn’t know consistency if it jumped up and bit him!

  • Technischer Überwachungs-Verein

    Just over a year to organise a website! Still not that bad for a party where about half the membership probably consider computers to be a form of witchcraft.

  • CMB

    Regards members of the TUV he does have a few but he is probably ashamed to print the names. He has a few ex DUP councillors who incidentally no one else would want as they are no hopers perhaps he thinks it better nobody knows who they are. He has also a few others who for whatever reason feel that is it better to try and hurt the DUP politically rather than do anything in the best interest of Northern Ireland. Publishing his members list would probably be a retrograde step to his hope of at least splitting the Unionist vote at the EU elections as he has no hope of winning himself.

  • autocue

    What does it say about the TUV that the party Chairman is a paid employee of Jim Allister, as is the Party Press Officer and one of the key-note speakers at the first party conference.

    One man band or what?

  • picador

    Michael Shilliday

    Why are you promoting the TUV? You are a member of the Conservatives now. The same ones who are promising us a non-sectarian future

    TUV into the future?

    Yes, they have moved from the 1920s to the 1950s. Perhaps Jim Allister will acquire a deLorean and change his name to Marty McFly.

  • Richard James

    “He wouldn’t know consistency if it jumped up and bit him!”

    Where as the party of O’Neill must go to chuckles with chucky does?

  • Silver Line

    TUV none existent in North Down would expect them to pick up between 1000 – 1500 ex Bob McCartney voters.Jim Allaister has not even been in the constituency as far as I know since last Euro Election.

  • Bigger Picture

    Silver Line

    Do you really think that? I think it has to be remembered that Bob always stood as a sort of middle class alternative for North Down Unionists who were far too middle class to be directly associated with Paisley. Coupled with the fact that we wouldhave had life long supporters in Bangor i would expect to see the figure drop below that.

    I would also like to know how much of the work of running the TUV including paying for Sammy Morrison and Ivor McConnell,is it all European money? Surely this is an extravagant misuse f taxpayers money, that it is used to fund personal political activity rather than constituency work.

    Who was the other key note speaker who is employed by him? His daughter?

    I am also going to suggest to my local MLA that the chairman of the Queen’s DUA get’s space on the DUP main website to release statements on the meetings of the Student Representative Council. When i was at queens it mostly met and was then adjourned for being inquorate, or else it involved Peter Weir managing to get the whole Rangers 9 in a row team elected onto council (remember that one Turgon?!?!). How very worthwhile that all is

  • Bigger Picture

    Just got this from the brand new website, cracking line:

    “Talk by the DUP of winning back “its seat” exudes arrogance. This is not the DUP’s seat, it is the people’s seat and it is the people who will decide who has the honour of holding it. If anyone has a claim to the seat it is the person who has done the work!”

    He calls the DUP arrogant for having a claim on a European seat and then sets out to stake his own claim in the very next sentence. Not only arrogant from Jim but also makes him look extreemly foolish

  • Silver Line

    Silver Line

    Do you really think that? I think it has to be remembered that Bob always stood as a sort of middle class alternative for North Down Unionists who were far too middle class to be directly associated with Paisley. Coupled with the fact that we wouldhave had life long supporters in Bangor i would expect to see the figure drop below that.

    I would have thought 1000 – 1500 a bad performance for TUV in North Down but then im no expert?

  • Essentialist

    http://www.jimallister.org/default.asp?blogID=1290

    I guess the DUP intelligence service is as out of date as their manifesto unless they were referring to Bangor, Wales.

    Since it was an education matter on which Allister issued the press release, unionists should expect the loud barking from the DUP rabid attack dogs. Their dentition is poor though and they will require multiple extractions in order to regain health. Sharing the same kennel as Sinn Fein is not good for their health.

  • Annonymong

    Stephen Elliot aka Essentialist. I really do wish you would cease this off the wall nonsense!

  • ??

    I guess the DUP intelligence service is as out of date as their manifesto unless they were referring to Bangor, Wales.

    Maybe you would like to tell us, excluding TUV members, how many people were at the meeting….how many hands are you using to count, one or two?