Banning poppies?

The Newsletter notes a couple of incidents where workers were allegedly told to remove poppies in the run up to Armistice day. Steven Moore who had been hired by EventSec to provide security at Queen’s Student Union was required to remove a poppy. Meanwhile a temporary worker at the Passport Office was also apparently told to remove her poppy.

  • heck

    and the problem is?

  • pith

    ‘Steven Moore who had been hired by EventSec to provide security at Queen’s Student Union was required to remove a poppy.’

    Who from? How many security agents were involved in the operation? Did they get the pin as well or just the poppy?

  • The Raven

    The problem (as I see it) is the politicisation of a symbol of remembrance that some choose to wear.

    I see it as being as ridiculous as the politicisation of the Irish language.

    But anyway. It’s one of those things that just shouldn’t have happened, but has due to the fucked-up “if-I-can’t- have-this-you-can’t-have-that” nature of this place.

    I’m beginning to think that it irks certain sections of the population who are irritated that interest in the First World War is growing rather than receding.

  • ??

    #

    and the problem is?
    Posted by heck on Nov 12, 2008 @ 08:41 PM

    its nationalist bigotry, any wonder many unionists fear a UI

  • I wonder how much of this was motivated by a desire not to have drunken culchies at the Students’ Union see a poppy on a member of security staff and start a fight because of it.

  • RepublicanStones

    Stupid. People should be free to wear it if they so wish. Just like the Easter lily. That said, expecting people to wear them should is stupid as well (remember the outcry if newscasters etc don’t wear them).

  • picador

    Perhaps we should ban all discussion of poppies instead.

  • The Raven

    …..not until everybody accepts the right of those to wear them, in whatever context.

    Maybe then… 🙂

  • jim

    This story is as redicilous as the one about a civil servant was asked to remove an offensive Tyrone flag from her car. Respect and tolerance (acceptance) of other peoples beliefs must be upheld if we are to have any kind of future. People should be thankful they are no longer being sent off to the killing fields in the name of imperialism, for me that is what rememberance day is all about.

  • Greenflag

    raven ,

    ‘It’s one of those things that just shouldn’t have happened, but has due to the fucked-up “if-I-can’t- have-this-you-can’t-have-that” nature of this place.’

    Exactly . The answer to this problem is of course staring everyone in the face . As so many people have died in Northern Ireland /Ulster /Six counties from year zero to the present including all wars, famines , plantations , rebellions etc that poppy wearing should be made compulsory all year round for all residents of Northern Ireland . Red poppies for Prods & Unionists , Green for RC’s and Republicans and black poppies for non nationals and immigrants . Visiting tourists and businessmen will be issued with white poppies at all airports and ferryports . Visitors from the Republic will be issued with yellow ones .

    Imagine the time saved and hassle with instant identification . No longer will visitors have to wonder or guess who is who or make insenstitive remarks among when amidst a bunch of predominantly green or red poppies ?

    Those found not wearing their poppie will be fined 100 pounds for a first offence , 300 pounds for a second and will be deported to Afghanistan for a third offence:(

    jaysuz wept 🙁

  • Ulsters my homeland

    That’s multiculturalism for you. Live with it, you government welcomes it.

  • Tir Eoghain Gael

    Garibaldy
    “I wonder how much of this was motivated by a desire not to have drunken culchies at the Students’ Union see a poppy on a member of security staff and start a fight because of it.”

    Oh aye, sure its all the culchies starting the sectarian fights in Belfast!!
    You sound like Newton Emerson he blames all of Belfasts troubles on the culchies from the increase in rape to the traffic on the westlink.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    I saw a woman serving in a filling station in Dungannon TODAY still wearing a poppy.And the first Xmas decorations in Armagh.

  • Dave

    Ah yes… parity of contempt esteem.

    Folks need to resist the petty fascism of the state. If someone gets fired over refusing to remove a poppy or a flag, support them all the day.

  • Dave

    Way too!

  • Ulsters my homeland

    At least there isn’t any poppy snatchers in this day and age. We can all wear our Poppy with pride and without the fear of people snatching it.

    I heard of a woman who was so upset with poppy snatchers that she set a pin under the poppy to prick their fingers when they went to snatch it..Good on ye!

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Dave, I’m sure you are long enough in the tooth to know that the petty fascists won’t fire you. They just nip your promotion prospects in the bud. Remember Donna ‘Poppy’ trainor?

  • Tír Eoghain Gael,

    Belfast people tend to avoid the Students’ Union because of all the culchies!

  • Tir Eoghain Gael

    Yea Belfast people are so much more civilised!!

  • Hbf

    I work in the students’ union at QUB. There were notices around the staff areas today reminding us that people employed by QUB are free to wear poppies, or anything else (within reason). I can’t really imagine why the supervisor would have asked the guy to remove his poppy. Perhaps there had been a complaint?

  • They are certainly cooler and don’t want to be seen dead with culchies 😉

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Sure the McCooeys are only one or two generations removed from the country and isn’t it amazing how suave and sophisticated they have become in such a short time.

  • Paul McMahon

    Just right PH!

    Who do they think they are with their mocha chocs, their cocaine and their big city shoes?

  • William

    The two Next stores in Londonderry also banned staff from wearing poppies, but overturned this diktat when a number of staff refused to adhere to it…they then issued a new memo on Nov 4th to staff advising that they were free to wear a poppy.
    As to persons being asked to remove poppies…to me the problem is ill-informed senior staff, many of whom worry if they ignore a complaint, that their lack of action will be reported to that other waste of money body, the Equality Commission and action being taken against them.
    This was the case in Boot’s store in Belfast, just before the Bejing Olympics, when a Republican complained about some of their staff wearing uniforms with a grey image of a Union Flag on them. Boots promptly told the staff to wear something else, rather than ignoring the idot who complained.
    One prominent journalist who didn’t wear a Poppy was Adrian Logan, Sports Editor of UTV. I trust that sports clubs with a loyalist following don’t enrich him with a £300+ fee by inviting him to Dinners or Sports evenings as a guest speaker…..the best way to hit people like Logan is in their pocket.

  • Tir Eoghain Gael

    A culchie to a Belfast person is anyone west of Lisburn.!!

  • Tir Eoghain Gael

    Jon Snow the channel 4 news anchor also refused to wear a poppy a year or two ago saying that he didn’t agree with the media stations pressurising guests and presenters into wearing a poppy and instead should be a personal choice.

  • West of Lisburn? Anyone who has to get an Ulsterbus more like. And even some of the outer limits of Citybus are dodgy.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    William, why would you want ‘to hit people like Logan’? What did he do wrong, apart from disagree with the afore-mentioned narow minded little shites and petty fascists? Isn’t that what this pathetic little statelet has thrived on since it’s misconception – the ‘punishment’ of uppity Taigs who ‘hate everything British’? Rich coming from people who haven’t been born in Britain for maybe ten generations.

  • Tir Eoghain Gael

    :0)

  • Chris Donnelly

    William
    Ah, yes, true bigotry at work there. Spot the taig on tv, put out a whispering campaign against him- maybe Logan might even get attacked by loyalists whilst watching an Irish league game.

    You’re a sick individual.

  • Paul McMahon

    So let me see if I have this right.

    Staff in a NEXT store in Derry are allegedly barred from wearing a poppy and William Houston calls it a ‘diktat’?

    A sports journalist presumably chooses not to wear a poppy on television and William suggests ‘hitting’ him with some kind of boycott?

    So, if I have this right, disrespecting one individual choice is bad whilst disrespecting another individual choice is good?

    That’s some topsy-turvey world that you live in William

  • latcheeco

    Dave,
    “resist the petty fascism of the state” would that be like calling on the authorities to persecute “illegal ideologies.”

  • Mick

    Can I suggest people count to ten before pushing the ‘Submit’ button; otherwise we’re going to end up with a lot of heat and no light.

    Rip your opponent’s arguments to threads, that way you’ll enhance your authority here and not risk the reverse!

  • cynic

    “A culchie to a Belfast person is anyone west of Lisburn.!!”

    God no. Lisburn is a culchie town. West of Poleglass / Dunmurry

  • picador

    To me culchies start at Bellevue Bridge – right by the zoo funny enough.

  • The original Sam Maguire

    300 quid for Logie? You’re having a giraffe, it’s closer to a grand from what I’m told.

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    “I heard of a woman who was so upset with poppy snatchers that she set a pin under the poppy to prick their fingers when they went to snatch it..Good on ye!”

    Yep, that was years ago! She was speaking on the UTV programme last night about the general acceptance of the poppy today in Ireland among Nationalists and the many museums and monuments old and new, throughout the island, dedicated to those Irish people of WWI who fought and died!

  • Dave

    Latch, I’m very patient with special needs posters, so I’ll explain a little thing called context to you:

    In the post above the quote below, you have read this:

    [i]”They are legitimate suspects because they possess illegal ideology.”[/i]

    I guess I should have put single quotation marks around the word ‘illegal’ so that the less gifted readers (not mentioning any monikers) would grasp that it signals that the meaning is changed, but all I can do is apologise to any reader who was confused by his or her inability to grasp the ironic concept all by his or her lonesome. Sorry, kid. Can you ever forgive me?

    Now here is the post that immediately followed the post that has you all hot and bothered:

    [i]You will notice that the Irish Minister for Justice, Dermot Ahern, responds to the IMC report thusly:

    “Members of these [dissident] groups need to leave behind their failed ideology, move on and join the rest of the people of this island in rejecting violence and in building a better, more inclusive, society, to the benefit of all.”

    Notice the sleight of hand where means are obfuscated with ends, so that it isn’t just republican violence that has failed but republican ideology itself.[/i]

    Do you see why the meaning changed? The minister obfuscated proscribed violence with proscribed ideology.

    Oh, I did it again… I neglected to put single quotation marks around proscribed. Go back and read it again and just imagine the quotes, eh?

    Good lad.

  • She also said the students’ union sells poppies in its retail outlets as well as laying a wreath at the university’s cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.

    What that neglects to mention is that not one of the elected Student Officers (who are meant to represent Student’s) was present to lay the wreath at the Queen’s cenotaph on behalf of the student body. I believe it was left to a security guard to replace them.

  • O’Neill has highlighted the reasons why the President of the SU was not present, and since I made the above comment I may as well be fair and post what he has said!

    http://unionistlite.blogspot.com/2008/11/dup-versus-qub-students-union-round-756.html

  • sammaguire for years

    People should be allowed to wear the poppy if they want to. Equally they should be allowed to refuse to wear one if that’s their wish.

    I get the impression that a lot of people are bullied into wearing them on TV north of the border (especially programme presenters of the nationalist tradition).

    I have never ever seen a person here in Dublin wearing a poppy. Yet when I put on BBC1 NI the other day I see fellow “free stater” Eddie O’Sullivan wearing one. Maybe RTE should insist on Nordies of the unionist tradition wearing fainnes for Seachtain na Gaeilge!

  • Earnan

    Greenflag

    your post had me laughing for a good minute.

  • Harry Flashman

    Derry people aren’t culchies, culchies start at Muff (or Coshquin, or Newbuildings or Gransha according to which gate the barbarians are assaulting).

  • latcheeco

    Cheers Dave again for the condescension. Arguing with special needs posters (or thick paddys) must go against the grain of your inate sense of fair play (yet you do seem to do it quite a lot old boy). Or are you just still angry at your best mate and the missus (was he also a paddy by the way?) Seems I missed the original irony (one blog on the IMC is quite enough and there’s so so little time) and caught the secondary irony. Still not sure of your leap between failed and illegal. O course if it’s not unionist it must be illegal, right? Some romantic coves might even think the jury is still out on whether it failed but that is another argument.
    It sounds like you are interpreting the minister’s words to suit yourself. Apparantly now it’s not just the minister who’s obfuscating; its clear from your post, and your catty response when caught out, that you were cheerleading in a very unBritish way for the state suppression of legal speech/expression and in your second post you were railing against it. Why? Because one was republican and the other unionist.

    Speaking of cheerleading, praise your telligence afficers all you want but their incompetence in England put Martin in Stormont and likely pretty will put Gerry in charge of the aforesaid police state.

  • eranu

    talking of jon snow, did anyone see him talking into his jacket sleeve like a US secret service agent the other night on C4 news? skundered for him 🙂

  • DK

    It’s quite simple. Outside Belfast they are all “Culchies”, except for Derry where they are called “Spides” and North Down where they are called “Twats”.

  • Derry people are culchies too.

  • also the mechanic who entered newry fire station with his poppy on and was told to remove it….

    such an offensive thing to remember the millions of dead in 2 world wars and conflicts since…

    shared space / tolerance / equality / working together for a better future / all the buzz words that republicans are being asked to absorb by Sinn Fein but yet don’t seem capable of absorbing…

  • ggn

    I feel that requiring that people remove poppies is wrong and unacceptable, I dont think any other term is needed.

    It is just as bad as requiring people to wear them.

    As an Irish speaker I can understand the humiliation experienced by the person asked to rermove his poppy as we can be legaly forced to speak English in a workplace, even though Irish is normally only ever whispered in the workplace, in my experience at least.

    Heres an idea, why doesnt Nationalist Ireland come up with an equivalent to the poppy,(a green one?) so that Irish people could feel comfortable commerating people who give their lives in good conscience in World War One, thus avoiding commerating Black and Tans or people who operated concentration camps in Kenya etc.

    I personally would consider wearing such a symbol, if it was clear that I in no way condoned imperialism in any shape or form, a distinction that I feel the poppy does not make.

  • But the Irish people who fought in WWI in good conscience were fighting for imperialism, so how can it not be condoning it? Look at Redmond’s speeches. The IPP was an imperialist entity.

  • ggn

    Garibaldy,

    Trying to put an idea out there and my personal view on poppy wearing.

    I have said here before, appeals to defend ‘Catholic’ Belgium etc hold no truck with me. Though for many unionists I have learnt in recent weeks yhe religion of soldiers is significant somehow, I have yet to get my head round that but.

    1. I dont care what religon they are because I disagree with religion.

    and

    2. The actions of the Belgians in the ‘Belgian’ Congo would rob me of all sympathy for them. Taste, medicine, etc.

  • Greenflag

    earnan ,

    ‘your post had me laughing for a good minute.’

    Laughing ? You have no sense of humour man . That was a serious proposal .

    I omitted to include a poppy colour for atheists , humanists , agnostics and those who are somewhat sceptical of the benefits to be had from the mass slaughter of fellow human beings.

    Humans are the only animal that has evolved to be able to kill at a distance . This skill /talent was caused by virtue of the ‘brains’ growth in size i’e a trebling, since Australopithecus Africanus/Mervyn Storey learned that using a stick or throwing a stone gave him a clear advantage over his competitors . Since ancient times the number of those killed in war has increased exponentially and correlates with the increase in distance to the rear of the battlefield that ‘war’ leaders find comfortable.

    We have advanced so far now that a man sitting in an underground bunker somewhere on the globe could press the wrong /right button and wipe all of Northern Ireland off the face of the earth in a few minutes . Imagine no more poppies 🙁

    Which reminds me of the old joke popular in the USSR of old , when a reception for Politburo members was being held deep underground at the Soviet General Staff headquarters . The politburo members were then given a tour of the secret underground room where various coloured buttons could be seen mounted on a large table. Suddenly a Marshal of the Soviet Air Force shouts out

    ‘Who pressed the white button, who pressed the white button ‘?

    He is beside himself with rage when no one answers . He then downs another vodka , wipes the perspiration from his face and, with a casual wave of the hand says :

    ‘Well after all -who really cares about Albania ?’

  • Greenflag

    ‘since Australopithecus Africanus/Mervyn Storey’

    The above juxtaposition is not to suggest in any way that Mr Storey is an any way a modern day stand in for Australopithecus Africanus in case feathers sorry poppies here are ruffled but is made out of deference to those who believe that we – humans – are not descended from Australopithecus Africanus but were created instead in the image of their God only 6,000 years ago.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Well after all -who really cares about Albania ?’

    Norman Wisdom, for one 😉

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    I just want to point out that when Prince Charles visted the War Commeration Ceremony in France and met President Sarkozy on Tuesday, neither of them, nor any of their entourage wore poppies, indicating that the poppy is purely a British symbol as such and not a universal symbol of remembering the dead of WWI. Therefore peoples reservations about wearing a poppy should be respected too as those who do wear a poppy!

    BTW, the Battle of Verdun fought between the French and Germans was perhaps the most savage battles of WWI (even more so than the Somme) which lasted for weeks and saw the death of up to a quarter of a million troops and over a million injured!

  • Harry Flashman

    “Derry people are culchies too.”

    Hi Garibaldy, that’s a tasty lookin’ ear ye have there mucker.

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    meant to add “neither of them…Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife Carla Bruni, nor any of their entourage wore poppies”

  • Jimmy

    Anyone who has went to Queens will remember the SU is a little self important Liberal clique, who will do anything to reinforce that sense of importance, QUB and the SU are suppossed to be neutral?,nonetheless I have seen many a Saint Patricks night in the bunatee the Irish Flag being waved about Republican songs everywhere, hardly a friendly place for a Prod, it certainly seems that Nationalist Culchies have put thier mark on it ‘the SU that is’.
    I am a Nationalist,I choose not to wear a poppy because of my objection to senseless wars, but have no problem whatsoever with anyone who wishes too I would support them 100%,after all parity of esteem is exactly what it means.
    The SU would be the first to support a Muslim if he-she felt they were being discriminated against, whats the differance?

  • runciter

    Is it a appropriate for the security team at the SU to be wearing political emblems?

  • the ulsterior motive

    Why the need to fly the union jack at the rememberance gatherings in this part of the world? All we hear at the min is about how many Irishmen did this or how many Irishmen joined that. If everyones so keen to remember the Irishmen then either give their flags emblems equal footing or get rid of them.

    The wearing of a poppy of remembrance woudlnt be half the issue it currently is if one half of the community didnt see the trappings as little more than an extension of orangefest and the other half didnt treat it as such.

  • Greenflag

    ulsterior motive ,

    ‘The wearing of a poppy of remembrance woudlnt be half the issue it currently is if’

    Somebody somewhere would just push da button 🙁 or pull the plug 🙁 or better still both -simultaneously .

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    “The wearing of a poppy of remembrance woudlnt be half the issue it currently is if one half of the community didnt see the trappings as little more than an extension of orangefest and the other half didnt treat it as such.”

    Well there is truth in that for the Battle of the Somme has become somewhat mythologised in Ulster by Unionists as a symbol of Unionists undying loyalty to the crown of England. (A ‘blood sacrifice’ similar to that of Pearse’s 1916 rebels). When it’s put in context it’s gesture of loyalty is somewhat diluted when one considers that there were just as many or even more Irish Nationalists who died in WWI for the English crown.

    The Irish Volunteers – Home Rulers, Redmondites contribution to such an important international war should always be remembered too. That aspect of Irish history should never have been conveniently forgotton!

    Regarding the poppy, it has become politicized; for it is not only the symbol to the memory of those who lost their lives in WWI, it has become a symbol for all the British war dead who have died in subsequent wars since, including the Iraq and Afghanistan today!

    And as WWI was to be the war to end all wars, how wrong they were, for look at all the wars that have occured since involving the British Army! Maybe the poppy has become rather a subtle symbol to justify war involving the British in a way amid all the sentimentality and piety!

    Here’s the last two parts of the song the “Green Fields of France” made famous by the Furey Brothers from Ballyfermot, Dublin who sang it on Top of the Pops…..sure war has happened again and again and again…(involving the British Army)

    The sun’s shining down on these green fields of France;
    The warm wind blows gently, and the red poppies dance.
    The trenches have vanished long under the plow;
    No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.
    But here in this graveyard that’s still No Man’s Land
    The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
    To man’s blind indifference to his fellow man.
    And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.

    And I can’t help but wonder, no Willie McBride,
    Do all those who lie here know why they died?
    Did you really believe them when they told you “The Cause?”
    Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
    Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
    The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
    For Willie McBride, it all happened again,
    And again, and again, and again, and again.

  • To me culchies start at Bellevue Bridge – right by the zoo funny enough.

    Nah, anywhere past St. Gerard’s is “here be dragons” country.

  • Greenflag

    GOF ;

    ‘Did you really believe them when they told you “The Cause?’

    Yes most did at the time and many still do . The triumph of propaganda over reason and the consumate abilities of politicians , monarchs and leaders everywhere to persuade people to lay down their lives for their country has been a constant theme since humanity grouped itself into entities called States and tribes .

    We can look ‘forward’ to another several rounds of mass slaughter in this new century brought about not by competing empires this time but by wars civil and uncivil on issues mostly to do with access to scarce resources , water , oil , food , jobs ,overpopulation . These wars will be fought both within and without the ‘nation state ‘.There are a growing number of Haiti’s, Somalia’s , Dharfur’s ,Madagascar’s , Zimbabwe’s , Bangla Desh’s etc etc in the world and there is no way that these countries can be lifted up to present First World living standards without world wide environmental collapse .Somalia IIRC has not had a Government worthy of the name since the 1990’s . They have obviously taken the neo conservative objective of small government to it’s ultimate conclusion . It must be a paradise according to the tenets of the neo con economists eh ?

  • Paul McMahon

    Another beautiful song that deals with the utter waste of life that was WWI. It’s about boy soldier John Conson from Wexford.

    I’ve seen some Unioinist websites treat this tragedy as some kind of blood sacrifice Cause célèbre instead of the anti-war song that it is.

    I think that bumbeling Laird Lard had something to do with it’s writing, however, don’t let that put you off.

    Just a day, another day beneath the Belgian sun
    Past grave on grave, row on row until I see the name John Condon
    carved in stone, the harp and crown, little crosses in the ground
    and standing there, my silent prayer is for a boy who died a soldier

    wee lad who’ll not grow old. Heroes that don’t come home
    Here they lie in Belgian fields and Picardy

    Just a recruit in soldier’s boots. from Ireland’s shores to here
    this living hell. This Poelcapelle. Where young men fell like you, John Condon
    and all around the harp and crown, the crosses in the ground
    stand up in proof, the bitter truth, the waste of youth that lies forgotten

    wee lad who’ll not grow old. Heroes that don’t come home
    Here they lie in Belgian fields and Picardy

    Now tell me John, before I go on. What did you come here for?
    with Ireland’s bold, your life untold, 14 years old – to die a soldier?
    and all around the harp and crown and crosses in the ground
    what caused was served? So undeserved!

    Heroes that don’t come home. Sing out for all their souls
    here they lie in Belgian fields, and Picardy

  • cynic

    Chris Donnelly

    You are worried about UTV Logie getting a duffing at an Irish League football match for having it pointed out that he apparantly wasn’t wearing a poppy. Logie’s no dozzer he would be more concerned about getting a going over at a GAA game for wearing one on air. You pay your money and take your chance in this country!

  • snowjoke

    I live in Canada.
    I wear a poppy on Nov 11th to remind myself and others of the noble soldiers whose lives were callously used and abused by both Germany and Britain in the first world war.

    I wear an Easter Lily at Easter to remember the dead soldiers from Ireland’s long and noble weary fight for independence.

    Get over it.

    They should let anyone wear either emblem, when and where they wish.

    I look forward to seeing someone with a Lilly on BBC news at Easter. Then I will know we have made progress.

    There are more important things to get cranky about.

  • Harry,

    You can take the boy out of Derry…

  • Harry Flashman

    Yer a wile man hi

  • Ri Na Deise

    Paul McMahon

    I believe the boy soldier the song may relate to is 14 year old John Condon from a laneway just off Ballybricken in Waterford City.

    Signed up because he wanted a good pair of boots the story goes.

  • latcheeco

    Jimmy
    “anyone who has went Queens” Feck the irony. I presume someone signed you in at the door.

  • latcheeco

    Oops! “went to queens” double irony/drunken skut

  • Oops! “went to queens” double irony/drunken skut

    Shows the benefits of a grammer (sic) school education.

  • Greenflag

    snowjoke,

    ‘There are more important things to get cranky about.’

    You might think that snowjoke but in Northern Ireland there is nothing more important than ‘symbols’ and their interpretation . It is what the place is , was, always has, and always will be about. It cannot be otherwise.

    But there is hope of diversion on the horizon . I read now that Mr Adams in the USA has made a reference to the DUP as having a narrow , petty , small minded ‘Afrikaner’ wing . Admittedly not exactly a ‘nazi ‘ level epithet but it has currency and no doubt soon enough on slugger we’ll have the ‘droolers ‘ on both sides letting us know why this epithet is either accurate , very accurate , insulting , praiseworty , irrelevant etc etc .

    Nobody of course will pay a blind bit of notice to the Afrikaners in all of this . The idea that said Afrikaner’s would be highly insulted by said comparison will not cause Adams or his opposite Unionist spokesmen any loss of sleep 🙁

  • Leon Trotsky

    a narrow , petty , small minded ‘Afrikaner’ wing .

    I don’t know, Greenflag, when I was a lass I thought the Orange Free State was in Ulster :^)

  • Big Maggie

    Oops, my silly alterego was still in the browser memory. It’s me!

  • Paul McMahon

    You are of course correct Ri Na D. Please excuse my error, [that’s what happens when you type in haste].

  • Barnshee

    “Derry people aren’t culchies, culchies start at Muff (or Coshquin, or Newbuildings or Gransha according to which gate the barbarians are assaulting). ”

    EVERYONE outside Belfast lives in “the country” –its all one place you see. BELFAST (showing my age)was anywhere on a trolley bus route. Everyone not in Belfast is a Farmer and (mostly) milks cows.
    Everyone from the country is an unsophisticated hick

  • Ri Na Deise

    No hassle Paul. As a Ballybricken man meself I felt obliged to reclaim wee John. Couldnt have him labelled a yellabelly.:-)

  • Greenflag

    A 32-year-old man from Co Mayo has been killed while serving with British forces in Afghanistan.

    Robert McKibben, from Carraignalorgan near Westport, died alongside fellow Marine Neil Dunstan after their vehicle was hit by an explosive device while they were on patrol in Helmand province.

    His family issued a statement through the British Ministry of Defence saying they are ‘all extremely proud of our Robbie’.

    ‘He had very definite plans of how he wanted to live his life; he was always thoughtful, considerate and had an amazing sense of humour that touched so many lives. He was so full of life and was loved so much by his family and by all his friends.

    ‘Robbie has left a huge void in our hearts and he will never be forgotten.’

    A spokesperson for the British forces in Helmand, Commander Paula Rowe, said the deaths were a tragic blow to the force.

    Local priest Mícheál Mannion in Westport said the family and community were devastated by the news and Westport Town Council has expressed its deepest sympathy to the family.

    He is one of a family of four and left Wesport when he was 18. He joined the Royal Marines at the age of 27 and, after completing Commando Training, joined J Company 42 Commando based in Plymouth. He was previously a member of the FCA (Irish Army reserve).

    He is expected to be buried in Westport in the coming weeks’

    RIP

  • Greenflag

    big maggie ,

    ‘ my silly alterego was still in the browser memory. It’s me!

    I’m reminded of the yarn between two culchies who recognise one another but can’t remember names on a street somewhere in Dublin and the one says to the other .

    ‘Ah shure tis yerself it is’ sez the one .

    ‘Ah shure tis yerself it is’ sez the other.

    As they both take a closer look at each other they realise that yerself is not yerself .

    ‘Ah shure it’s neither of us’ sez the one

    ‘Ah shure we’re not ourselves at all all sez the other 😉

    Both shake heads and wander off 😉

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Robert McKibben – R.I.P.

    “Per Mare Per Terram”

  • Hbf

    Jimmy

    You think that the students’ union at QUB is “hardly a friendly place for a Prod”? Have you been there recently? I don’t know what it was like in your day, but right now you won’t find a sectarian atmosphere there. Fair enough, they do have events on for St. Patrick’s day, but I’ve never seen anybody (other than the polical parties) waving flags or singing “republican” songs – and anybody acting like a dick in the bars is likely to get turfed out. Why don’t you come down, on any night, and see for yourself?

    You ask “The SU would be the first to support a Muslim if he-she felt they were being discriminated against, whats the differance?” There isn’t a difference – if anybody complained about that, the SU would have a responsibility to support them. Do you have a specific case of somebody being discriminated against by the SU?

    Cheers.

  • Big Maggie

    Greenflag

    LOL at the two culchies in Dublin!

  • Greenflag

    big maggie ,

    A yarn to remember for times when you may be inadvetently conflicted with an ‘identity’ crisis 😉 In tsarist times in old Russia the life saving motto of the travelling jewish merchant was ‘incognito ergo sum ‘

    This is not a condition which afflicts Greenflag ever, as he doesn’t have the imagination to have more than one name

    Tomorrow the Haka men are in town and the men in Green are hoping for a win against the All Blacks a team that has never known defeat in Ireland since Munster bate them sometime in the last century 🙁 It’s about time we had some good news so I’ll predict a victory for the men in Green over the savages in Black by 21 to 13 🙂

    Time for an old Australian joke

    Question :

    ‘What do you call a New Zealander with a goat under one arm and a sheep under the other ‘?

    Answer :

    ‘Bi-sexual and /or hungry ‘

  • Greenflag

    UMH ,

    Good man .

  • Big Maggie

    LOL at Greenflag and his Aussie joke!

  • Dr. Gabriel Mary Byrne

    Anyone outside Dublin is a culchie.

  • Greenflag

    Dr G.M Byrne

    ‘Anyone outside Dublin is a culchie. ‘

    Yes and No . The insertion of ‘from ‘ before outside above would lend more accuracy to your bald statement as there are some of us Dubs who may reside just outside the Pale’s boundaries who do not consider ourselves worthy of the culchie ‘honorific’.

    Then there are the ‘new’ people to consider. It seems hardly fair to call somebody who hails from Shanghai , Warsaw , Riga , Vilnius or Tallin or Rio de Janeiro or Lagos or London a ‘Culchie ‘ ?

    Be that as it may today Ireland will again be relying on the Munster ‘culchies’ to do the needful at Croker against the New Zealanders .

  • Why is it Dublin people don’t understand they are culchies too? Don’t think we’ve forgotten them driving over the border to come to Argos and the like.

  • Greenflag

    garibaldi ,

    ‘Don’t think we’ve forgotten them driving over the border to come to Argos and the like.’

    Bet ye miss us eh well I’m sure Argos does 😉 Nothing like the cling cling of the cash register to gladden the heart of the purveyors of ‘stuff’ eh ?

    Not to worry with the pound on it’s way down the Jacks will be back sooner or later . We’re not known as the roving jacks for nuttin 😉

  • Sheriff Roscoe PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Coltrane

    I am from outside Dublin and I am not a culchie. Now then no good ?Dukes might be