Cancel memorial night call

Edwin Poots has called on St Paul’s GAC to cancel a proposed memorial night for Crip McWilliams, one of the INLA members convicted for the murder of Billy Wright and who died recently from cancer. ADDITION McWilliams was in the Maze serving a sentence for the murder of Colm McMahon. Meanwhile, at the Billy Wright Inquiry a former Governor revealed advance warning of plots to kill Wright in prison through secret talks with the INLA. He believes he did warn the Maze governor of the threat. UPDATE The Club Committee has cancelled the booking.

  • Half Pint

    And yet Edwin was perfectly happy to sit round the cabinet table with those who still celebrate murder. What a hypocrite.

  • Grassy Noel

    If St Pauls allow this to go ahead they may as well close up shop as I can imagine a boycott by those sickened association with McWilliams and what he was in jail for.

    In case you don’t know, it was for doing something which Billy Wright had become practised at: murdering an innocent Catholic in their workplace.

  • Two things:

    Firstly, St Pauls did not know what tthe booking was for, and they are currently (re-)considering it.

    Secondly, Poots could show some balance by calling for certain Orange parades to stop carrying banners commemorating loyalist murderers .

    For the record, I think St Pauls should not let this go ahead, if it is as described, and I don’t think that they will.

  • NP

    Wheres the memorial for Colm Mahon, Manager of “Frames Bar” who was shot dead by McWilliams. Mahon’s only crime was to ask Crip & his cronies to leave the bar, as McWilliam’s birthday celebrations were getting out of hand.

  • Realist

    “Wheres the memorial for Colm Mahon, Manager of “Frames Bar” who was shot dead by McWilliams”

    Colm Mahon was a respected member of Sarsfields GAC.

    I’m sure it’s members are sickened by the notion that his killer was to be “honoured” at another local GAC.

  • RosleaNaEireann

    No way should someone like Christopher McWilliams be honoured in a clubroom owned by St Pauls GAA.

    Thankfully i would say St Pauls will reject it.

    One thing though,
    What business is it of Edwin Poots or any other non GAA member what takes place in GAA property?

    The answer is None.

  • Dec

    Agree with the sentiments expressed for the memory of Colm Mahon. However, I must have missed Edwin Poot’s criticism of the Orange Order which displayed a banner commerating Brian Robinson on the junction between Lanark Road and the Shankill throughout the summer.

  • Grassy Noel

    Fair point, Dec. I remember said banner being there for virutally the entire sumer.

  • The club should have a bookings form with a section to state in full the nature of any booking – that would be a simple way forward..

    Proposed: That a booking form be created.

    Seconded:

    Jab done.

    hem time.

  • ggn

    I hope and believe they will cancell this.

    They should find out what things are being booked for.

  • jone

    According to Irp ‘Comrade Foster’ on the Republican Socialist forum (google it) he’ll be speaking to some of the St Paul’s committee tonight and will put their case “…in as strong as terms as possible.”

    Which I’d be worried about given the INLA’s form for murdering people who ask them to leave licensed premises.

  • The club committee said it was unaware of the nature of the booking when it was made and will discuss it soon.

    Was it only because of Poot’s intervention, they found out its “true nature”?

    If so, then he did them a favour.

  • Big Maggie

    Roslea

    What business is it of Edwin Poots or any other non GAA member what takes place in GAA property?

    You’re kidding aren’t you? Don’t you know that it’s the sacred duty of every good DUPer to diligently look for faults within the nationalist community — and of course vice versa. That’s why NI is still ranked among the saddest communities on earth.

  • Eoin

    Horseman

    “St Pauls did not know what tthe booking was for”.

    Ok fine. They do now, and there should be no need for a discussion as to to the merits of it. Cancel cancel cancel.

    RnE

    “What business is it of Edwin Poots or any other non GAA member what takes place in GAA property? ”

    If you want to be simplistic about it. None. But celebrating a murdering thug overrides any such considerations.

  • niall

    Horseman, Dec, Roslea et al,

    I’m a Gaa man and as much as I dislike what is said by Poots and his ilk on many occasions about the GAA I think you guys are falling into his little trap by continually halping him by comparing the GAA with the OO.

    Granted the comment is often to state a difference but the end result is that on Slugger at least the GAA continually gets dragged into comparisons with the Gaa with the crowing nationalist saying “whatever you say about us the OO is worse”

    The point of course is that the GAA and the OO are very different things but my suspicion that one of the many angles being worked by Poots and the DUPers is to feed of the place the GAA has built itself and shore up the OO as the Unionist mirror image.

    Basically a lot of decent Unionists abandonned the OO but if they through time become seen as a Unionist equivalent to the GAA they will regain the decency they lost due to over exposure in the nineties.

    It always occurs to me that Poots and co couldn’t give a dam about this meeting.

    Incidentally I’m sure this meeting should not go ahead.

  • niall

    “with the OO”

    In fairness Poots is right, but he is just having a dig for other purposes.

  • Richard James

    “What business is it of Edwin Poots or any other non GAA member what takes place in GAA property?”

    Plenty when you pass the begging bowl round for our money.

  • iluvni

    Maybe they’ll rename the club in honour of McWilliams….and Mr Brennan will make an appearence to cut the ribbon.

    Isnt that the usual form?

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Plenty when you pass the begging bowl round for our money.’

    Nationalists don’t pay taxes now is that it?

    On thread Im sure the club will ask the organisers to seek another venue.

  • Richard James

    “Nationalists don’t pay taxes now is that it?”

    And that’s for things like healthcare, not promoting their murderer of choice.

  • RepublicanStones

    So the GAA merely promotes murderers????

    Please do continue….

  • Ulsters my homeland

    When will the GAA stop dividing up our society for their dream of a Republican Gaelic Catholic 32 counties? They seem to be as hell bend as ever on making sport sectarian in N.Ireland. Do they want football organisations in N.Ireland to be taken over by those who support the celebration of loyalist terrorists, is this the type of thing the bigotted GAA want?

    The GAA and all who support it need to take a long hard look at themselves.

  • RepublicanStones

    I thought you were from gaelic stock UMH?

    As regards catholic, please give us a link to the GAA rules where it mentions catholicism.

    ‘Do they want football organisations in N.Ireland to be taken over by those who support the celebration of loyalist terrorists’

    Well wasn’t a senior member of the IFA an orangeman? And we all know the OO’s relationship with loyalism. So it seems your comment is a bit out of date.

  • Comrade Stalin

    In case you don’t know, it was for doing something which Billy Wright had become practised at: murdering an innocent Catholic in their workplace.

    Colm Mahon was a friend of a friend (I did never personally met him). The story I heard was that McWilliams and his contemporaries were causing some kind of trouble in the bar, so Mahon threw them out. McWilliams returned within the hour and shot him dead.

    An American friend of mine visited McWilliams in jail about ten years ago, and asked him about what he was in for. McWilliams said that he had been fitted up, framed for a murder he did not commit, and that he was an innocent man. Later I found out that McWilliams was trying to find an American to marry him so that he could leave NI. I don’t know if he was able to achieve that in the end.

    I had understood that up until Wright’s shooting, McWilliams had been ostracized from the INLA. I don’t know whether this began before the Mahon murder, or not. Whenever he murdered Wright, the INLA/IRSP started up the revisionism and tried to portray him as one of theirs, at the same time attempting to raise their own profile for having eliminated such a high profile anti-Catholic killer. I suspect that this latest effort to commemorate his death is the latest in the INLA’s efforts to portray themselves as heroes and defenders of the Catholic population.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]I thought you were from gaelic stock UMH?2[/i]

    Proper gaelic stock, not the Republican 32 county Irish expansionist tripe it’s so widely linked with today.

    2[i]As regards catholic, please give us a link to the GAA rules where it mentions catholicism.2[/i]

    rules is not the issue. The clubs which the GAA as an organisation rule over are full of anti-Prod/British feeling.

    ‘Do they want football organisations in N.Ireland to be taken over by those who support the celebration of loyalist terrorists’

    “[i]Well wasn’t a senior member of the IFA an orangeman?”[/i]

    You’re distrating techniques won’t wash with me. The GAA support murder.

    “[i]And we all know the OO’s relationship with loyalism. So it seems your comment is a bit out of date.”[/i]

    Here we go again, shifting the direction from the terrorist supporting GAA to the Orange institution which has never commemorated or supported loyalist terror.

    RepublicanStones, pathetic attempt to divert from the GAA’s support of murder.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Proper gaelic stock’

    Which is what exactly?

    ‘not the Republican 32 county Irish expansionist tripe’

    I wasn’t aware republicans were looking to annex Wales.

    ‘The clubs which the GAA as an organisation rule over are full of anti-Prod/British feeling.’

    Anti-prod???? Anti-british, Im sure certain people are anti-british govt and army, after all, Britain hasn’t exactly been kind to the Irish. Also there was the little matter of Bloody Sunday in Croker.

    ‘You’re distrating techniques won’t wash with me.’

    look into my eyes, not around the eyes….
    or perhaps yu just suffer from foot in mouth syndrome. I think we know which.

    ‘Here we go again, shifting the direction from the terrorist supporting GAA to the Orange institution which has never commemorated or supported loyalist terror’

    Ok, ok you got me, the OO don’t have parades which involve banners commemorating colonist militia death squad members. Oh and this never happened….http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/ire-n09.shtml

    like I said, foot in mouth syndrome.

  • Observer

    Roslea.

    In the new order of a United Ireland, that I’m sure you aspire to, will it be wrong for people to hold an opinion about anything without being told that it is none of their business?? Poots is perfectly entitled to raise this issue just as others are perfectly at liberty to pass comments about banners at Lanark Way. Its called freedom of speech!!

  • Steve

    Didnt the chief constable or one of the other coppers just give a speach at a dinner named after a loyalist killer?

  • Richard James

    “Well wasn’t a senior member of the IFA an orangeman? And we all know the OO’s relationship with loyalism. So it seems your comment is a bit out of date.”

    Weak. It’s widely recognised the IFA has gone to great lengths to stamp out sectarianism. Unlike the GAA which promotes the members of Nationalist death squads at every opportunity.

  • RosleaNaEireann

    I wish idiots in the Nationalist community would stop comparing us in the GAA to the Orange Order,

    There is no similarity

    One is a Bigoted Sectarian religious organisation

    The Other is a non secterian sporting organisation . Fine il admit the GAA in the Six Counties has become politicised,Idiots in Sinn Fein constantly using the organisation as a baton against Unionists, but as an organisation Island wide, Its non Political.
    (This view stands no matter what idiot tries to bring up whats written in some rule book)

    Il defend clubs naming tournaments and clubs/pitches after people who have committed terrible acts, if they were a prominent member of said organisation which i have done in the matter of Kevin Lynch etc.

    There can be no defending of Honouring this individual who was convicted of murdering a member of a neighbouring GAA club.

    Theres also no doubt what type of person Billy Wright was,But celebrating murder, no matter who or what the person who was murdered was is unnacceptable.

  • RosleaNaEireann

    Richard James

    Weak. It’s widely recognised the IFA has gone to great lengths to stamp out sectarianism. Unlike the GAA which promotes the members of Nationalist death squads at every opportunity.

    You can harp on and on about your precious Unionist IFA
    stamping out sectarianism all you want.
    I and alot of others dont buy it.
    Although im sure you wont lose any sleep over that.

  • the futrures bright, the future’s orange

    Have you been to an NI match recently Roslea? No? Surprise surprise… I’ve never been to a GAA game but I’ll not start jumping to wild assumptions…

    I went to my first NI game in 10 years a couple of weeks ago and I have to say I was shocked by the behaviour of the fans. It was so bloody good! From my seat, I can honestly say even swearing was almost non-existant, and absolutley nothing sectarian whatsoever – apart from a few individuals grunting no surrender during the anthem. Like you, I guess I was a little sceptical of the whole kick sectarianism out think but from what I saw, massive strides have been made.
    That said, if NI played ROI or the hoops, I’m sure the atmosphere would be more feisty!

    Sorry, got away from the subject there…. The GAA really need to cut all ties with their political heroes. Naming stadia, trophies etc after republican heroes/murderers is never going to endear it to the protestant population and quite frankly,is inappropriate for any sporting organisation.

  • Richard James

    So your problem with the GAA hosting the McWilliams tribute is that he murdered another member of the GAA. On the other hand you have no problem naming clubs and pitches after members of Nationalist death squads as long as they keep to murdering huns. Says all we need to know about your attitudes and the endemic bigotry in the GAA.

  • whadevah

    Ach, come on – we all know that the GAA club in question would have no problem having a right old knees up for this murdering sectarian spide, if it hadn’t been held up for public scrutiny. They may back down now, claiming ‘ignorance’ – it changes nothing. Everyone knows the score, and the apologists refusing to deal with the issue and dealing instead with feeble whataboutery only confirm that.
    Let then welt away with Crip’s commemoration. It’s the pathetic attempt to claim that (northern) GAA isn’t bitterly sectarian to the core which people just snigger at.

  • oneill

    RosleaNaEireann ,

    Il defend clubs naming tournaments and clubs/pitches after people who have committed terrible acts, if they were a prominent member of said organisation which i have done in the matter of Kevin Lynch etc.

    There can be no defending of Honouring this individual who was convicted of murdering a member of a neighbouring GAA club.

    So, you can have murdered and maimed basically to your heart’s content, as long as it’s not a member of another GAA club, we’ll still roll out the red-carpet for you…have I interpreted your attitude right?

  • Ranger1640

    Can I start at the beginning, is the GAA a sporting organization or is it a Quasi Political grouping?

  • RosleaNaEireann

    O Neil

    “So, you can have murdered and maimed basically to your heart’s content, as long as it’s not a member of another GAA club, we’ll still roll out the red-carpet for you…have I interpreted your attitude right? ”

    No i defended the right of a club to name whatever(Trophy ,club or ground) or hold a commemoration ceremony after someone who is deceased IF he was a member of that club.
    McWillianms isnt a member of St Pauls GAC therefore there should be no memorial night allowed in St Pauls GAC.

    Richard James

    “So your problem with the GAA hosting the McWilliams tribute is that he murdered another member of the GAA. On the other hand you have no problem naming clubs and pitches after members of Nationalist death squads as long as they keep to murdering huns”

    No My problem is with the GAA hosting any commemoration which isnt specifically about the host club or a living or deceased member of the HOST club.
    McWilliams wasnt a member of St Pauls GAC,so his life should not be remembered in St Pauls Property.
    That is mu opinion.

  • Richard James

    So Roslea what is your objection to Old Boyne Valley Heroes having banners commemorating it’s members that were murderers?

  • RosleaNaEireann

    Richard James

    “So Roslea what is your objection to Old Boyne Valley Heroes having banners commemorating it’s members that were murderers?”

    Im guessing the Old Boyne Valley Heroes is a OO or Apprentice Boy ,band or Lodge?
    Did i object to any Orange Order/Apprenetice Boy group naming their members after Murderers?
    Good luck finding a post of me doing so.
    Whats Orange Lodges name their things is up to them,Its none of my business.

    The Only problem i have with the OO is its rabid anti-Catholicism and its marching where its not wanted.

  • Ranger1640

    Old Boyne Island Heroes LOL 633, have a banner with an likeness of Brother Brian Robinson on it.

    Surly republicans should not complain about this banner of Old Boyne Island Heroes, as Brian Robinson was a victim of physical Force British Justice. After all republicans are always telling us they are defending everyone form physical Force British Justice?

    Can’t see what republicans have a problem with; they should be encouraging more of this activity if they were being consistent?

    However, republicans have never been known to be consistent about much other than trying to rewrite history or saying it wasn’t us.

  • RepublicanStones

    The only thing thats weak Dick james me ‘aul flower is your retort. Unfortunately it seems a few home truths are best avoided eh?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    RepublicanStones

    “[i]Ok, ok you got me, the OO don’t have parades which involve banners commemorating colonist militia death squad members.”[/i]

    name them

  • Ranger1640

    Roslena:
    The Only problem i have with the OO is its rabid anti-Catholicism and its marching where its not wanted.

    And the GAA are a shingling example of non sectarian sport and anti Unionist bigotry?

  • lee

    “Maybe they’ll rename the club in honour of McWilliams….and Mr Brennan will make an appearence to cut the ribbon.

    Isnt that the usual form? ”

    Perhaps when the IFA start to punish clubs who openly commemorate loyalist terrorist apologists like David Ervine at games, they can claim the high ground.

    I don’t recall the IFA President and Orange Order member Mr Kennedy taking any action against Glentoran for their commemoration of the uvf/PUP leader.

    But hardly surprising, considering that Mr Kennedy’s buddies are happy to commemorate lots of loyalist killers at their marches.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘name them’

    Are you claiming there are no banners carried during orange parades commemorating colonist death squad members (commonly referred to as loyalists)?

  • Driftwood

    Why not have a GAA club organise a night in celebration of Gerry Adams? In celebration of his great victory over the Irish Collie Club at La Mon, which he ordered. Sure they were only prods.
    So it wasn’t really murder in Republican eyes. But Animal cruelty laws could be appliied?

  • RepublicanStones

    Ahh Drift returns. Any more info on British army tactics? Seeing as you seem to be able to say for certain what they get up to.

  • Ranger1640

    Can I start at the beginning, is the GAA a sporting organization or is it a Quasi Political grouping?

  • Paul McMahon

    ”Ok, ok you got me, the OO don’t have parades which involve banners commemorating colonist militia death squad members.

    name them”

    Here you are UMH happy to oblige.

    “ One of the lodges to parade is Lodge 633 known as The Old Boyne Island Heroes, the biggest and one of the oldest on the Shankill Road with a history that goes back to 1823.

    But The Old Boyne Island Heroes is no ordinary Orange Lodge. I asked whether the Lodge number- 633 – referred to the RAF’s famous ‘Dam Busters’ squadron 633, which destroyed the great German dams of The Ruhr in 1943. I thought it might have been a patriotic reference but was politely corrected. The only bomber on Lodge 633’s banner, under the words ‘in proud memory of our fallen brethren’ is one of the names of five UVF Lodge members killed during the current conflict listed on the Lodge’s smaller bannerette. Aubrey Reis was one of four UVF men blown up in 1975 when the bomb they were carrying in their car exploded prematurely; Noel ‘Nogi’ Shaw was ‘executed’ as a result of an internal UVF feud, also in 1975; John Bingham was a UVF commander shot dead at his home by the IRA in 1986; Brian Robinson was killed on ‘active service’ by undercover soldiers in 1989 and Robert ’Basher’ Bates was shot dead in a revenge attack in 1997. A sixth name, that of Colin Craig, gunned down by the INLA in 1994, was once listed on the bannerette but removed when it was thought that had been an informer. Few of them were ‘defending Ulster’ when they died, although, in the eyes of their comrades, they had played their part in doing so before.

    There is good reason for the Old Boyne Island Heroes being known locally as the ‘UVF Lodge’ and, although its officers do not welcome the reference and point out that the majority of its members have no connection with the UVF, they do not deny the association and are proud of its members who have died, as they see it, in defence of their shared heritage and tradition. Whereas most Orange Lodges expel members who have served prison sentences for terrorist offences, the Old Boyne Island Heroes do not. A senior officer of the Lodge told me “If you hadn’t done gaol, you weren’t a real member”

    – Peter Taylor, ‘Loyalists’ pp 151-152

  • Ranger1640

    Paul
    And the gaa have never had an inla or ira man in their ranks. Do they just wait until they are dead and then open their gates for his mates to have a good auld bohys day out?

    With games, teams and competitions named after good auld bohys Bobby Sands, Martin Hurson or Martin Lynch is the gaa a sport a quasi political party or a recruiting ground for terrorists?

    http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2008/07/martin-hurson-and-tyrone-volunteers.html

    As every other year, the commemorative day kicked of with the annual Martin Hurson Memorial GAA cup final which was played at Galbally Pearses Football Field. The Hurson’s team the eventual victor’s overcoming a spirited Aghaloo side.

    Following the completion of the match and the trophy ceremony, thousands of Republicans, including family, friends and comrades of Martin’s, lined up at Galbally GAA Centre to march to the Tyrone Volunteers Monument in Cappagh Main Street.

    http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/32738

    hey assembled at the Community Centre to take part in a parade led by a colour party and two bands: the Martin Hurson Memorial Flute Band from Gortin and the South Derry Martyrs Flute Band.
    There were banners which represented Pomeroy, Galbally, Aughnacloy and Ógra Sinn Féin from Derry. The parade followed a football match played at Galbally GAA grounds in which teams from the county competed to win the Martin Hurson Cup.
    The parade went to the Republican Monument in the village of Cappagh. There was a wreath-laying ceremony with tributes from Óglaigh na hÉireann, Sinn Féin and the National Graves Association. A special mention was given to a wreath laid by Councillor Brendan Farrell, from Longford Town Council, who laid a wreath on behalf of the McManus/Hurson Sinn Féin Cumann in Longford, where Martin Hurson was the Smash H-Blocks candidate in the 1981 general election.
    Barry McElduff, Omagh councillor and MLA for west Tyrone, said:
    “Tyrone has a very distinguished list of Volunteers. That is something we are very proud of. Martin Hurson’s death on hunger strike swelled the ranks of the IRA in Tyrone.”
    McElduff thanked everyone who turned up and he urged the building of political campaigns to proudly assert the Irishness of the people of Tyrone and the use of every available tactic to dissolve the unnatural, British-imposed border between the North and South of Ireland.

  • Paul McMahon

    Yeah but the big difference is Ranger 1640 did they try and insist on marching through areas where they weren’t welcome?

    UMH asked a question – I simply gave him an answer.

  • LURIG

    How many members of the IFA ruling Council are ALSO members of the Orange Order? How many of them were involved in the vote to oust Jim Boyce? It is time that the media and nationalist politicians asked these questions. There is NO doubt the Orange Order still has a big influence in local football. While the figurehead of the IFA remains a member of the Orange Order Nationalists will want NOTHING to do with it. Unionists have NO right to point the finger at the GAA while EVERY year we witness Loyalist paramilitary bands lead Orange Order parades across the North and the Orange Order marching behind banners lauding dead Loyalist terrorists. The hypocrisy is rotten to the core but no surprise when Sinn Fein and the SDLP are so weak and ineffective.

  • Richard James

    Roslea,

    I take it then if the Orange Order were to change it’s theological stance you’d be happy for them to parade down your road with banners commemorating Loyalist paramilitaries?

    If you’re against the Orange Order going where it’s not wanted then presumably you’ll support those of us who object to our tax money going into the GAAs begging bowl?

    Republican Stones,

    Your need to resort to ad hominem attacks simply illustrates the paucity of your argument. And a wee home truth for you is I’m not a supporter of the NI football team.

  • Richard James

    “While the figurehead of the IFA remains a member of the Orange Order Nationalists will want NOTHING to do with it.”

    So Nationalists would flock to support the IFA if no members of the Orange Order were involved in it? Somehow I think not…

  • the future’s bright the future’s orange

    I think this thread is the definition of whataboutary…
    Whatabout themuns.

    Nice one lads 🙂

  • Realist

    “While the figurehead of the IFA remains a member of the Orange Order Nationalists will want NOTHING to do with it”

    Nationalists/Republicans seem happy enough to share power with Orangemen up on the hill.

    Once again, interesting comparisons from our nationalist/republican contributors between the GAA and the OO.

  • oneill

    RosleaNaEireann,

    No i defended the right of a club to name whatever(Trophy ,club or ground) or hold a commemoration ceremony after someone who is deceased IF he was a member of that club

    Thanks for the clarification. So, as long as the deceased was a member of the club any crime (no matter how heinous) committed by him is immaterial. And if a club decided to name itself after a convicted paedophile, for example, you’d have no problem?

  • DK

    My impression is that the GAA is mostly a parish-based sporting organisation, the parishes being catholic, which is why there are no prods in it. That said, it is mostly sporting and only the odd head-case ground in hard-core areas that have memorial matches for the local terrorist.

    Orange order is comparable in being locally based religious organisation, the religion being protestant, so there are no catholics in it. Mostly the functions are social and local, and onlt the odd head-case lodge that insists on marching through unwelcoming areas &/or carrying banners for the local terrorist.

    Both have their problems – are either doing anything about it. Their supporters certainly only seem to be interesting in pointing out the problems of the other side, rather than tackling their own.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Your need to resort to ad hominem attacks…’

    What attacks? Is Dick not short for Richard? Methinks Freud would have a field day with you.

    DK, sensible post but i would say that no religion is barred from playing GAA, nor do the GAA insist on marching through areas where they are not wanted, so as other comentators have said, to compare one with the other is fatuous to say the least.

  • pat

    “How many members of the IFA ruling Council are ALSO members of the Orange Order?”

    Do they even allow Catholics on their executive committee?

    Their must be a token taig somewhere?

  • DK,

    My impression is that the GAA is mostly a parish-based sporting organisation, the parishes being catholic, which is why there are no prods in it.

    Your impression is right. And wrong.

    The basic geographical area on which GAA clubs are based is usually the parish, but this is a boundary thing, not a religious thing. My own (ex-)church, the C of I, also has parishes, and while there has been some merging (to cope with falling numbers, etc) the boundaries are pretty much the same.

    The GAA club is certainly not a ‘Catholic parish sports club’ – it is a sports club that set out to have local branches at an appropriate level – townlands were too small, baronies too big. Parishes usually contained a decent number of people, were geographically concentrated (no salamanders) and, yes, at the start, had a Catholic priest who was the 19th century equivalent of a community worker, to get things moving. But the formal involvement of the Catholic church has gone, AFAIK.

    Lastly, there are, of course, many “prods in it”.

  • oneill

    “Lastly, there are, of course, many “prods in it”.”

    Any hard stats on how many, Horseman, say in Fermanagh?

  • Realist

    “Lastly, there are, of course, many “prods in it”.”

    Horseman,

    Could you confirm how many “Prods” are on the Antrim, Down, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Derry and Armagh County Board Committees?

    In fact, how many have ever been on them?

    What percentage would that constitute?

    PS. I know Sam Maguire was a “Prod” 🙂

  • pat

    Realist

    Any idea how many Catholics are on the Irish Football Association Executive Committee

  • oneill and Realist,

    No, of course not. The GAA doesn’t gather stats on its members religions (or lack of). Anecdotal evidence is all you’re going to get.

  • Democratic

    Looks to me like neither the IFA nor the GAA (and fans thereof) are in any position to throw stones at each other on these issues (and I myself am a GAWA man) – doesn’t seem to stop the die-hards complaining of motes and missing their own planks though…nothing changes – this whole argument will be repeated on the next Norn Iron football thread and so on…

  • I am going to WASTE your time reading this while wasting my time typing it. I know it will be the usual LOT of nonsense but I feel COMPELLED to do it. Or rather not so MUCH compelled as I have to do it because the MONKEY sitting beside me tells me to do IT, or else. Just to underline his point he WHACKS me every now and again on the back of my head. He is a nice monkey, well apart from the whacking, with lovely green fur and the strange THING about him is that I am the only ONE who can see HIM. When he hits me I slip into uppercase on the keyboard. YOU may also wonder why there are no paragraphs? MONKEY doesn’t like paragraphs and he says he will give me a real GOOD kicking if I was to use them. And I also know that I don’t make any contribution to the SUBJECT of the thread but monkey just seems to like the words lighting up the screen. You know you got to do what you got to do. So I’ll be back. Anyway monkey needs a banana so I’ll sign off. Speak to you SOON.

  • oneill

    Anecdotal evidence is all you’re going to get.

    And that’s not really the kind of evidence which wins many court-cases…or debates (in the loosest sense of the word)on Slugger Horseman;)

  • RosleaNaEireann

    Richard James
    “take it then if the Orange Order were to change it’s theological stance you’d be happy for them to parade down your road with banners commemorating Loyalist paramilitaries?

    If you’re against the Orange Order going where it’s not wanted then presumably you’ll support those of us who object to our tax money going into the GAAs begging bowl?”

    No i wouldnt want the Orange Order down my road Full Stop,Parades should NOT be allowed anywhere they are not wanted.

    As for you tax money going towards the GAA,why dont you refuse to pay your tax in protest then.
    Good luck with that.

    O Neil

    “Thanks for the clarification. So, as long as the deceased was a member of the club any crime (no matter how heinous) committed by him is immaterial. And if a club decided to name itself after a convicted paedophile, for example, you’d have no problem?”

    If the deceased was an important member of the club,then to be honest i wouldnt object if they named if after him/her.
    I dont personally think any club should be named after someone who has been involved in illegal activities(in the recent past,Just to rule out problems with Sarsfield,Patrick Pearse and co),
    But id defend those who do wish to name stuff after them.
    Unfortunately you know aswell as i do, that a club would never be named after a convicted Paedophile,who are despised by all,
    There is unfortunately support or at least sympathy for Republican Paramilitaries in many Grassroots Nationalist areas,which no doubt carry over to some GAA clubs.
    There are definetely some GAA clubs in the Six Counties that you could call “sectarian”,however they are only a small minority out of the hundreds of clubs around Antrim,Derry,Tyrone,Down,Fermanagh and Armagh.

  • Richard James

    Roslea,

    Well thanks for clarifying that you don’t have a problem with the Orange Order because of any unsavourary assocations it has or theology. You just don’t want themmums coming down “your” road. Incidentally unless you happen to own the road they would walk down it is as much theirs as it is yours.

    Now could you answer my question, would you support those of us who don’t want to give money to the GAA beggars?

  • Richard James

    “Unfortunately you know aswell as i do, that a club would never be named after a convicted Paedophile,who are despised by all,
    There is unfortunately support or at least sympathy for Republican Paramilitaries in many Grassroots Nationalist areas,which no doubt carry over to some GAA clubs.”

    So grassroots Nationalists think paedophillia is wrong but think shooting a bar manager in the head is OK if he objects to anti-social behaviour? Pretty much tells us the moral sewer they live in.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    LURIG

    “[i]Unionists have NO right to point the finger at the GAA while EVERY year we witness Loyalist paramilitary bands lead Orange Order parades across the North and the Orange Order marching behind banners lauding dead Loyalist terrorists.”[/i]

    Unionists have every right to point the finger at the GAA and they have every right to point the finger at the OO. I believe from the information provided by Paul, it is one lodge on the Shankill who continue to commemorate members who were also members of loyalist terror groups. The issue which seems to be used in their defense is that they aren’t commemorating them as members of the UVF, but as Orangemen. Well, this might wash with some, but as a Unionists who is against any type of illegal terrorist groups, I believe the Orange Order shouldn’t allow this lodge to set it’s own rules. I believe Unionists should challenge the Orange Order on this issue, as the lodge in question is hijacking the civil and religious principles the Order stand for.

  • joe the plumber

    Excuse me if I am reporting old news .. new grafitti near St Pauls

    “St Poots GAC – Shame on you!”