Darron Gibson starts…


Derry-born Darron Gibson, known to most as the player at the centre of the IFA/FAI tug-of-war, is starting tonight for the Republic against Cyprus at Páirc an Chrócaigh. Gibson will partner Glenn Whelan in midfield in a surprise choice by Giovanni Trappatoni.
Update Great run from Duff, crosses to Keane, easy header. Ireland 1 Cyprus 0. 4 min.

  • ggn

    I thought people said he wasn’t that good?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Pleased to meet you Paddy. just don’t speand all your time rubbing salt in our wounds.

  • Mark McGregor

    I wonder how the scoreline would look without partition. I’m sure Cyprus would be doing much better ;0)

  • Ulsters my homeland

    probably 6-0 to Great Britian & Ireland, Mark.

  • Paddy McEvoy

    Nice to meet you too UMH. No wound-rubbing intended.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Presumably the ROI are confident that their interpetation of the FIFA ruling is correct.

  • Mark McGregor

    Paddy,

    You watching this on TV? I’m stuck with radio as I don’t have a big aerial or satellite and RTE tell me I’m not allowed streaming media as I live in Co. Antrim and they only stream to people who live in Ireland.

  • Greenflag

    At this stage we’re hangin on for the equaliser to be scored by Cyprus in the last minute of extra time 🙁

    The Welsh are holding out the Germans and NI are doing well agaisnt postage stamp size country San Marino .

  • Paddy McEvoy

    I am Mark. You’re not missing much, except for Duff’s run. Radio often has better commentary anyway…

  • Dave

    Sammy, it is correct. Irish citizens have the same entitlement as French citizens (e.g. Zidane), it doesn’t matter where they are born. It’s just the British that complicate things with the four associations there!

  • Still at the partitionist definition of Ireland, eh Paddy? 🙂

  • Greenflag

    The skin of our proverbial 🙁
    I don’t want to talk about it !

    mama mia whata mistaka to maka . Were our subs hung over or wha ?

  • One passport one team

  • Will we have to have a separate thread to celebrate Northern Ireland’s victory over San Marino or is it possible to advocate just a united thread on Ireland’s soccer triumphs without provoking a death threat from disgruntled loyalist supporters of NI….

  • Mike

    Dave

    “Sammy, it is correct. Irish citizens have the same entitlement as French citizens (e.g. Zidane), it doesn’t matter where they are born. It’s just the British that complicate things with the four associations there! ”

    Actually, as a point of interest, some French citizens are barred from playing for France. Even some who are born in parts of metropolitan France. Due to the existence of teams representing New Caledonia, Tahiti, and French Guiana. French citizens born there can only play for France if they meet ancestry/residence requirements.

    COL –

    “Will we have to have a separate thread to celebrate Northern Ireland’s victory over San Marino or is it possible to advocate just a united thread on Ireland’s soccer triumphs without provoking a death threat from disgruntled loyalist supporters of NI…. ”

    Didn’t take long for the bitter prejudice to surface. Sad and pathetic, but not really surprising.

  • Gee, Mike, I’m surprised at your reaction. What’s bitter or prejudiced about wanting to celebrate a night of triumph for Irish soccer on both sides of the border?

  • Greagoir O’ Frainclin

    Overall, a good win for the Republic of Ireland team tonight. I was at Croker to watch the game and they had a number of easy chances to score more goals. Mid-field showed their inexperience and there was an odd ‘Keystone Cops’ moment as well, ie Paul McShame, but overall the team played reasonably well!

    BTW, A wonderful win for the NI Unionist team in the soccer tonight against the San Marino titans! God was on their side, and righteousness won in the end! Ah sure god bless ’em! Any chance of them adopting the Linfield strip!

  • IJP

    I still think it’s ludicrous he’s allowed to play for a country for which he blatantly doesn’t qualify.

    But I still also think it’s ludicrous people (Unionists) don’t ask themselves why he was so opposed to playing for NI.

    Whatever, good luck to the lad.

  • IJP

    Oh yes and by the way, San Marino really are very, very bad. I’d fancy Bangor against that lot…

  • abucs

    A good result for Ireland, north and south.
    I was worried the Cypriots would go one better this time and beat us at home. Will be interesting to see how the Republic go away in Nicosia.

    I think NI has a harder group in which to qualify but they looked to do everything right against the minnows of the group last night.
    Congratulations.

  • the future’s bright the future’s orange

    Went along to my 1st NI game in about 10 years tonight. As more of a rugby man, I wasn’t too sure what to expect from the so called Green and White arm but I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised.
    Okay I was in the South Stand, which I imagine is less ‘rough’ than the kop and north stand but the fans conduct was almost perfect. Swearing was almost non-existant, apart from what appears to be an obligatary ‘u fat b******’ when the opposition goalkeeper takes his goal–kick. The odd F+++ off when the ref made a ‘bad’ call but remarkably clean, overall. Sectarianism appears to be all but stamped out, albeit with a minority chanting ‘no surrender’ during GSTQ.
    Even the football was reasonable after we got the 1st goal so a really good evening’s entertainment.
    Thumbs up to the IFA and the fans, massive strides appear to have been take to make Windsor a much more family friendly environment, whilst maintaining a cracking atmosphere. Maybe I’ll trade my Ulster season ticket for a NI one?

    PS, well done ROI and England – cracking results! Wales appeared to be have been somewhat unlucky! (Dewi?)

  • Dec

    I still think it’s ludicrous he’s allowed to play for a country for which he blatantly doesn’t qualify.

    ZZZZ

    He does qualify – it’s all in the FIFA statutes.

  • RepublicanStones

    As i was driving up from mBaile Atha Cliath last night and I have a poxy aerial couldn’t even listen to the game, so had to content myself with AC/DC up full rip, but as I got two pre-release tickets for their gig in the point (or 02) in April yesterday, I still had a grin from ear to ear baby. Anyhoo, good win(s) for Ireland. Couldn’t even raise myself for the Presidential debate. Tá mé tuirseach anois !

  • dosser

    Didn’t Belarus have a player called Kulchy last night? Surely he’s from Tyrone…

  • Mike

    COL

    “Gee, Mike, I’m surprised at your reaction. What’s bitter or prejudiced about wanting to celebrate a night of triumph for Irish soccer on both sides of the border? ”

    Nothing – pity you hadn’t done just that, instead of saying: “is it possible to advocate just a united thread on Ireland’s soccer triumphs without provoking a death threat from disgruntled loyalist supporters of NI….”. Bitter, naked prejudice on your part.

    GOF –

    “BTW, A wonderful win for the NI Unionist team in the soccer tonight against the San Marino titans! God was on their side, and righteousness won in the end! Ah sure god bless ‘em! Any chance of them adopting the Linfield strip!”

    And some more! Marvellous.

  • Mike

    IJP

    “I still think it’s ludicrous he’s allowed to play for a country for which he blatantly doesn’t qualify.

    But I still also think it’s ludicrous people (Unionists) don’t ask themselves why he was so opposed to playing for NI. ”

    The reason Darron Gibson was “so opposed to playing for NI” is pretty well-documented. He was playing for the Northern Ireland under-16 international team, and was given a trial by Manchester United. The idiot then in charge of the team, Roy Millar, told him he had to report for NI duty rather than go to the trial, or he wouldn’t pick him again. Gibson decided to go to the trial and pursue his international career elsewhere.

  • Dave

    Mike,

    “Actually, as a point of interest, some French citizens are barred from playing for France. Even some who are born in parts of metropolitan France. Due to the existence of teams representing New Caledonia, Tahiti, and French Guiana. French citizens born there can only play for France if they meet ancestry/residence requirements.”

    Interesting – didn’t know that. Those are French overseas territories, and would surely fall belong to the same category as British citizens born in different British territories / associations. That is – without further clarification and constraint citizenship may entitle the holder to play for multiple teams (e.g. NI, Scotland, Wales or England).

    Irish citizenship only entitles the holder to play for the FAI’s team. Of course the Northern Irish are entitled to either (or both) British and Irish citizenship, which would give them the right (if they are good enough) to play for a British team (subject to further clarification by residence & ancestry) or an Irish team.

    Incidentally, I remember reading a report a couple of years ago from the British foreign office that stated their were in the region of 750,000 British passport holders in the Republic of Ireland. So there should be some (theoritical, anyway) scope for poaching the other way!

  • George

    Dave,
    Incidentally, I remember reading a report a couple of years ago from the British foreign office that stated their were in the region of 750,000 British passport holders in the Republic of Ireland. So there should be some (theoritical, anyway) scope for poaching the other way!

    That report came from the Reform Movement and has no basis in fact.

    All British passports for residents of the Republic are issued from the Embassy in Dublin. Around 7,000 a year are issued, which makes the figure around 70,000.

    There are just 36,000 British passport holders on the electoral register for example.

  • George

    Dave,
    double checked, it was 7,000 eight years ago, now up to 12,000 so it’s 120,000 (10 year passport extrapolation).

  • Republic of Connaught

    Surely the GFA was about letting people in the North decide for themselves their nationality. Darren Gibson is Irish, full stop. So clearly he wants to play for the Irish international team which represents Irishmen from the 4 provinces, like the Rugby.

    I’d hope to see more nationalists from the North do the same. If they think they will get into the Republic’s team they ALL would. But footballers put their careers first and few nationalist players in the NI squad would get near the Repubic’s team so they play for NI, or have no international career.

    Why would a nationalist from Derry or Belfast want to stand in Windsor Park and listen to GSTQ if he can play in Croke Park and listen to his own national anthem?

    The more Ulstermen along with Shay Given and Gibson playing for Ireland in Dublin the better. The NI team has never represented nationalists, they would have chosen a neutral anthem long ago if it did.

  • Davis’s goal was very tidy…

    well done both republic and ni

  • Realist

    “Why would a nationalist from Derry or Belfast want to stand in Windsor Park and listen to GSTQ if he can play in Croke Park and listen to his own national anthem?”

    ROC,

    Why would a nationalist from Derry or Belfast want to stand in Windsor Park and listen to a “neutral” anthem if he can play in Croke Park and listen to his own national anthem?

    Is the choice afforded by FIFA Statutes (not the GFA) as to which team “a nationalist from Derry or Belfast” can play for (within certain rules) not a good thing?

    As you say, professional football players tend to make career choices, not “political” ones.

    Michael O’Connor was outstanding for Northern Ireland last night.

    If he felt that he would get on the breakaway team, I’m sure he wouldn’t have elected to rejoin the Northern Ireland fold.

    He decided his future lay with Northern Ireland -for footballing reasons.

    If he keeps performing the way he did last night for Northern Ireland, he’ll do me.

  • longshotkickdabucket

    Was at Croker last night and thought that Gibson played quite well as Cyprus were tidy enough.There’s a fair chance of a runners-up spot as Bulgaria drew yet again.
    Seen the NI goals which were decent, particularly the second. Four goals is a decent return against anyone as the small teams are hard to break down.Their group is hard to call with the 4 Eastern European teams all beating each other.

    Realist is correct when he says that (most)players make career choices at international level. O’Connor clearly felt that he had a better chance of getting a game with the North which is good for his profile in terms of getting a transfer to a higher league. However he has emerged this season as a very decent player and I hope that he continues to do well.

    As for Gibson, it’s a great boost for his confidence that someone as astute as Trap rates him highly and hopefully he can kick on from here-may need a move away from Old Trafford. Maybe the same applies to the NI player, Cathcart, as well?

  • Tochais Si­orai­

    On a slightly related point, the player from the past honoured at half-time last night in Croker was ex-Linfield player Davy Walsh who played for both FAI (20 times) and IFA (9 times) teams in the 1940s/1950s.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Realist, how many English born or Scottish born players have represented the Republic in the last 20 years? A lot.

    So trying to deny nationalists born in the North of Ireland the opportunity to play for the Irish team of their choice, NI or ROI, is just petty. They should be allowed to choose based on their own desires, political or career orientated. UEFA didn’t stop Gibson so they made it obvious what they think.

    It’s the Unionists in NI that want a separate football team, not the nationalists. So nationalists shouldn’t be forced to play in a team they don’t want. Unionists should just accept this and play the players who want to wear the NI shirt.

  • pete

    There’s also been a lot of English born and Scottish born players who have represented Northern Ireland as well. Look at France, Portugal etc. and their reliance on players from their former colonies-who cares, really.

  • Ms Wiz

    Good results for both Irish teams but NI have a mountain to climb. Those two defeats to Slovakia and Slovenia have severely dented their hopes although the Poles losing last night means that no-one is running away with the group. Plus you have to assume that everyone else in the group will beat San Marino home and away so NI’s remaining home games have taken on an even bigger significance.

  • Realist

    “Realist, how many English born or Scottish born players have represented the Republic in the last 20 years? A lot.

    So trying to deny nationalists born in the North of Ireland the opportunity to play for the Irish team of their choice, NI or ROI, is just petty. They should be allowed to choose based on their own desires, political or career orientated. UEFA didn’t stop Gibson so they made it obvious what they think.”

    ROC,

    Perhaps you should read again what I posted.

    I’ll remind you:

    “Is the choice afforded by FIFA Statutes (not the GFA) as to which team “a nationalist from Derry or Belfast” can play for (within certain rules) not a good thing?”

  • Republic of Connaught

    Apologies, Realist, I glanced rather than read.
    I just don’t understand people who would try to force someone to play for the international team they don’t want to play for.

    Stephen Ireland of Man City doesn’t want to play for the Republic and he’s a Cork man. As far as most of us are concerned it’s his choice.

  • Driftwood

    Reading the excerpts from Jamie Carraghers’book, it’s quite clear quite a few of Englands players see playing for their country as a sideshow. Look at Kris Boyd throwing his dummy out of the Scottish pram. Watching both irish sides last night you can see the enthusiasm. Particularly Steven Davis and Keith Gillespie. Ability is limited for both teams, so their desire is important. Dunphy’s rant against Trappatoni was funny. Gerry Taggarts radio commentary for NI even funnier

  • Realist

    “Apologies, Realist, I glanced rather than read”

    No problem ROC.

    “I just don’t understand people who would try to force someone to play for the international team they don’t want to play for”

    It’s impossible to “force” someone to play for an international team they don’t want to – presumably the player could just say “no thanks” when called up.

    From a Northern Ireland fan’s perspective, I certainly don’t want any players wearing the shirt who don’t want to give it 100%.

    The attitude and commitment of O’Connor last night was heartwarming.

  • confused

    Keep on making these seemingly “fair” comments. We all know they are laced with so much bitterness and ideological baggage. Yawn…