“What a sad spectacle Gerry Adams has become..”

Not full-blown yet.. But it’s getting personal.. DUP leader Peter Robinson responds to Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams’ comments – noted by George earlier.

Mr Robinson rejected claims of bigotry in his party and said the Sinn Féin leader’s comments should be treated with “pity rather than scorn”.

“What a sad spectacle Gerry Adams has become,” said Mr Robinson. “He has resorted to making outlandish and absurd claims in order to grab some media attention and seek support for his party’s present absurd position. “The central accusation made by Mr Adams is wrong. The DUP is committed to working the Assembly for the maximum benefit of all of the people of Northern Ireland.”

And the same iol report carries the counter-response.

Tonight a Sinn Féin source hit back at Mr Robinson’s comments: “Many people in the wider community are questioning Peter Robinson’s tenure as First Minister. “There has been one Executive meeting during his four months in office. What Peter Robinson needs to do is focus on delivering on the obligations his party entered into in the St Andrews Agreement.”

It looks like some still need reminding of how far that argument falls short of reality.. Adds More quotes hereAlso from the iol report

In an attack on Mr Adams’s role as MP for West Belfast, Mr Robinson added: “West Belfast has some of the most deprived communities in Northern Ireland – both Protestant and Roman Catholic – and what is their MP doing about it? Banging on about his party-political objectives.”

Mr Robinson said: “People will rightly judge this as yet another sad outburst from a man who is frustrated that he is no longer able to control events in the way he once did.”

Still, “This isn’t something we are going to fall out about.” Is it?

More from the Newsletter report

Sinn Fein was putting the “ideological approach” before the “logical one”, the First Minister claimed.

“Gerry Adams comments are to be treated more in pity than in scorn,” he added.

“They betray a fundamentally sectarian mindset – not only does he fail to comprehend that unionism is not a religion but that it is also possible to be a Roman Catholic and a unionist at the same time.

“If Gerry Adams thinks that by resorting to such behaviour he will rally his grassroot supporters who are disillusioned at the distance Sinn Fein has had to travel it is a sad commentary on republicanism.”

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  • Steve

    lol pete still selling this huh

    when does it pass its sell by date

  • bona fide

    Pete, seriously, how many times have you, can you, continue to peddle this really boring line??? Surely, you’ve put it out here on Slugger enough times to realize that there is a huge number of people who don’t buy this protest /argument of yours? In fact, the last few blogs (that’ll be of the last, of what feels like, at least, a few hundred) people haven’t even bothered to bite – it’s gotten so BORING and irrelevant. Do yourself and everyone else a favour, give this tired old line up. PLEASE!

  • Ann

    None of them give a shit about ordinary folk as far as I can see, so its pointless pointing out the bickering. They’re all at fault, lazy dogs.

  • Just me

    Ummmm…without getting into the above tantrums, I would like to note:

    “West Belfast has some of the most deprived communities in Northern Ireland – both Protestant and Roman Catholic – and what is their MP doing about it? Banging on about his party-political objectives.”

    This is undoubtedly true. But the rest of us are getting shafted while Nigel Dodds is relying on emergency measures originally designed for flooding, foot and mouth, etc, to re-distribute dosh through spending reviews.

    But sure…that doesn’t matter.

  • percy

    Its a great fencing match these two are having.
    Who dya reckon’s winning pete?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Percy, I don’t know, who do you think ? Squinter, at the Andytown News pointed out the same thing a few months ago that Peter Robinson just has. The question on his lips being – just exactly what has Gerry Adams done for West Belfast ? Following pressure from Connolly House, Squinter was forced to withdraw his remarks.

    You might want to consider that what kind of political representative will not tolerate criticism in a local newspaper popular in his constituency.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Same old story……Unionists still saying NO and Pete Baker still banging on about their right to do so.

    Comrade Stalin, you claimed on an earlier post that El Gordo had not called on the DUP to move on the transfer of police? Do you now accept you got that wrong? – or do I need to re-post the article from the BBC?

  • percy

    Indeed Comrade Stalin
    I don’t think SF have ever taken criticism well, they used to use terms like “securocrats” for wriggle-room. Not anymore.

    The old: “politically motivated”; when results don’t go their way is still in vogue though.

    Its a poor effort by Adams playing the victim card.
    The “pity rather than scorn” is a direct hit.
    Robinson is winning.

  • joeCanuck

    Surely the Russians have a gas that can make people blink. Can’t we buy some of it?

  • TAFKABO

    Same old story……Unionists still saying NO and Pete Baker still banging on about their right to do so.

    Good.

    Some people need to be reminded that Unionists have this right.
    What’s that?
    Republicans are only interested in the political process as long as everyone does what they want?

    Boo Hoo, cry me a river, what the f*ck did you think you were singing up to when you decided to opt for the democratic process?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    TAFKABO

    “Same old story……Unionists still saying NO and Pete Baker still banging on about their right to do so.

    Good. ”

    Burying your head up the arse of the marcher in front (or in the sand if you prefer) has not got Unionists very far in the past and is unlikely to do this time either.

  • cynic

    Steve

    You wouldn’t be Gerry’s Granny would you?

    As soon as Pete posts anything negative you are straight in and first to rebut and support the Great Leader.

    We all know that you must love him very much, no matter what he does (or more often doesn’t do). Bless.

  • Steve

    Yes cynic gerry’s granny is a fourty year old Canadian male

  • Ri Na Deise

    Sure jaysus Gerry what are ye thinking boy? You’d never see bigotry from those fine pillars of society in the DUP.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Steve,

    you are doing a great job keeping Pete B in check – but a word of warning – this Polis dispute could drag on for ages and the boul Pete has no doubt got many more DUP propaganda pieces up his sleeve.

  • lorraine

    Tonight a Sinn Féin source hit back at Mr Robinson’s comments: “Many people in the wider community are questioning Peter Robinson’s tenure as First Minister.

    pete the punt either buckles or the assembly goes into hibernation for a while only to come back a bit greener.

    watch the long game……..

  • Pete Baker

    The evidence is out there to be falsified, guys.

    So far, despite the abundance of outrage, there’s an absence of falsification.

  • DC

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pxw4a0e_NmU&feature=related

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjcqMUhrjI&feature=related

    Northern Republicans are, well, northern republicans, you just gotta go with it and attain your own objectives too and work with others for others to ensure the wider community and society doesn’t fail under the weight of one-sided arguments. Usually blinkered ones too.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Does peter read squinter?

  • steve

    aye Sammy but as I am a wee Giant Canadian lad I will persevere as best I can.

    Vigilance is the best defence

  • Alphaville

    You did what you did to me. Now I see that is just history, but i’ll go back on the road again!

  • cynic

    “Yes cynic gerry’s granny is a fourty year old Canadian male”

    …. who doesn’t understand NI humour

    Oh well, Saints are always best worshipped from afar.

  • steve

    LOL that was supposed to be funny?

    now the line about saints theres a good line

  • Gerry Adams foolishly bet the house on policing being devolved, but Mr Robinson behavior is far worse, for his sole aim is seeing Adams proved wrong in front of his core republican constituency. Robinson has no interest in moving forward towards a future in which republicans, nationalist and unionists will work as equals.

    Then this sorry excuse for a democrat goes on to claim that neither he nor his party members are bigots, Peter by your actions your are judged guilty.

  • ACHT

    BEIDH AN GHRIAN AG SOILSIÚ AMÁRACH!
    The sun is going to shine tomorrow!

    BÍGÍ LINN AGUS BÍGÍ LINN GO LUATH!
    Be with and be with us early!

    MÓRSHIÚL AR SON ACHT NA GAEILGE
    March round Belfast City Centre for the Irish Language Act!

    Ó Cultúrlann McAdam Ó Fiaich ar 11.45 rn / am

    Ó Theach Mhic Reachtain, Bóthar Aontroma ar 12.00

    Ón na Margaidh, ar 12.00

  • ??

    Robinson has no interest in moving forward towards a future in which republicans, nationalist and unionists will work as equals. …

    Tell me Mick, what rights or laws do unionists have or are exercising that Republicans dont?

  • DC ‘Cut the Pay Off to MLAs’

    I see Sir Reg is on the BBC website saying the Executive may not meet till 2009 hahahahaaha!

    What a load of nonsense!!!!!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Comrade Stalin, you claimed on an earlier post that El Gordo had not called on the DUP to move on the transfer of police? Do you now accept you got that wrong? – or do I need to re-post the article from the BBC?

    Yes, I will quite happily say “I was wrong” when you post the article where Gordon Brown says that the DUP must move on the transfer of policing and justice powers. You don’t need to post the whole article, though, just the URL and the quote where Gordon mentions the DUP.

    I won’t say I was wrong if Brown’s statement does not expressly mention that it is the DUP who must move.

  • Ann

    I see in the paper Paddy Murray got out six weeks ago…………hmmmmmm

  • Comrade Stalin

    Robinson has no interest in moving forward towards a future in which republicans, nationalist and unionists will work as equals. …

    Robinson is treating republicans as equals. He is using politics in an effort to consolidate his own power and diminish that of other parties. He did exactly the same to the UUP. You can’t accuse him of not applying the same tactics in the same way across the board. Sinn Fein’s problem is that they fell for the trap. That’s not Robinson’s fault, it’s Sinn Fein’s.

  • Greenflag

    How long can this farce continue ?

    In one way or another it’s been going on for over 80 years so at this point no matter what PB posts or what posters reply it makes little difference.

    Gerry Adams ‘analysis’ that there are some if not many in the DUP who never wanted power sharing and will do anything and everything they can to ‘water’ it down -is spot on . What’s not spot on is why Gerry Adams is only discovering this now ?

    Irish ‘nationalism’ in the broadest sense needs to turn its back to ‘political’ Unionism and move towards a ‘repartition’ solution as the best and only way to reintroduce normal democratic politics in those areas of NI which are majority nationalist . Let Unionists look to their own Sinn Fein solution and be done with it .

    Forty years is long enough to be treating cancer with band aids 🙁

  • DC ‘Cut the Pay Off to MLAs’

    Greenflag, so much for the DUP Getting It Right!

    Stormont is a joke! 4 months and no executive.

    Roll up roll up, it’s feed the MLAs time, throw them that 50k pay package per month for disagreeing and doing nothing but talking about being right. Everyone is right in Northern Ireland politics. It’s so amazing.

    Vote for the Best upcoming MLA

    The best upcoming MLA is (drum roll):

    …the one who gives his or her pay packet to charity.

  • “Tell me Mick, what rights or laws do unionists have or are exercising that Republicans dont?”

    ??
    The way you have posed this question is very revealing if I may say so, as it is clear by refusing to agree to devolved policing, Mr Robinson by his actions is saying to republicans and nationalists that despite all that has occurred, the north is still an Orange state, and it is the unionists who have the gift of an extension of democratic rights, and if the Republican/nationalist political parties do not like it, they can lump it.

    As to the rule of law in the north, it is a fiction and all parties know it, hence we hear a great deal of talk coming from them about the rule of law etc.

  • What is happening now was always the Brits plan B, we only have to look at the Oslo accords, the GFA big sister to understand this. Gradually reel in the radical opposition, flash the cash, then leave them hanging there for years.

    The opposition grows fat and soft, whilst the communities they were founded to serve wither on the fine and fester with rage and internal conflict.

  • DC ‘Cut the Pay Off to MLAs’

    Mick, seriously the only thing that ever, ever, worked to gain progress within Unionist political parties was the immediate threat of full withdrawal of funds.

    This is actually an even bigger ideological threat to its cause than the political threat of SF. SF is a wealthy party but the others in unionism are not. There must be innovative leadership with this particular issue, it must require even at best in the interim some sort of palliative care propaganda as a means to get things going again.

    However, those that want peace and progress should, in light of political and executive deadlock and lockout, not necessarily be paid for sitting about doing nothing in the process.

    British and Irish officials should take some hard headed decisions and keep devolution in operation yet cut the cash off to the MLAs and office allowances for staff.

    The public is at risk with their money, perhaps the MLAs even those in the moderate parties should be forced to take risks themselves to bring about innovation to resolve this problem. Simply paying them for stagnation goes against any concept of natural justice in this time of great economic injustices. It simply isn’t on, there is no procedural fairness with this, it simply isn’t and cant be correlated into any employment spheres either. It is absurd.

    It would also invalidate Peter Robinson’s about argument about the economy and it would force SF and others round the table. It would take the burden of services who could use that money to plug gaps in spend.

    108 MLAs paid £50,000 for 4 months’ worth of a decapitated talking shop. It’s high paid cappuccino politics. Not to mention those two months away over summer on paid holidays. Come on, pass the sick bucket.

  • Mayoman

    Problem for unionists is when GA tell the world the DUP are bigots, its all too easy for the world to believe. When PR tell the world GA is a twat, only unionists are listening.

  • perry

    “108 MLAs paid £50,000 for 4 months’ worth of a decapitated talking shop.”

    I’ve an idea to save £7 million a year and give these lazy feckers something to do.

    Wiltshire’s going unitary and using area boards made up of county councillors for local oversight. We could just retire all our councillors and use our MLA’s instead. With six per constiuency you could just ensure that each council area was made up of at least two constituencies to have an area board of 12, which is plenty as (for example) Baltimore (700K people) has a council of 15 and two constituencies in NI have on average just 193K people so we’d still be overstaffed.

    Suggestions for regional area boards might be;

    Ards & Strangford (12 member board)
    South Down & Lagan Valley (12)
    Upper Bann & Armagh (12)
    Fermanagh, South Tyrone & West Tyrone (12)
    Derry, East Derry & Mid-Ulster (18)
    Antrim, South Antrim & East Antrim (18)
    Belfast (24 member board)

    Map you can see how these would look

    http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/

    You could of course have constituency sized district boards within the regional councils for localler stuff.

    North Down alone cost £292,000 in payments to councillors last year for 25 councillors. We’ve 566 councillors across NI. Scale that up, adopt area boards and you’ve saved £6.6 Million.

    I’ve a feeling you’d get a better class of MLA too, as backbenchers might actually have something to do in their regional councils. You might get less arseholery in councils as people would be under a bit more public scrutiny.

    All in favour….

  • ??

    “Tell me Mick, what rights or laws do unionists have or are exercising that Republicans dont?”

    again Mick I ask the same question, you are the one bleating on about equality.

    Unionists ARE NOT in control of policing or justice, neither are republicans, thats pretty equal.

  • DC ‘Cut the Pay Off to MLAs’

    Yes, that’s a good idea, Northern Ireland has had a strategy of too big on political ideology and too little on good ideas. Over represented.

    Perhaps a change in tack then.

    Or a more achievable solution in the interim is to drop pay down to around £15k so as to make them feel a bit of serious economic pain in serious economic times which constituents are having to make serious responses to themselves. Off their own bat seemingly.

    MLAs pay is seriously absurd for the level of thought it produces, unsustainable and seriously not justified as no one is producing doable alternatives. This is a shame in itself.

    MLAs would just need to be very careful that this deadlock doesn’t produce a certain degree of blow back, which could have unintended consequences for all of them, especially if the financial system is devaluing itself to seizure-level in spiralling markets.

    What I am saying is that whoever blinks first will likely come out with more credibility than not blinking at all.

  • Are unionists going to fail yet again to administer a power sharing goverment in the wee statelet.
    Is it the statelet thats failing or is it the unionists that are failing it.

  • ??

    “Are unionists going to fail yet again to administer a power sharing goverment in the wee statelet.”

    From blinding or is that blinded given that is republicans who are not willing to govern until unioinists do what they want.

  • “From blinding or is that blinded given that is republicans who are not willing to govern until unioinists do what they want”

    How long has the peace process being going on for now.Sinn Fein have proved their bona fides over o long and torturous process.
    Admittedly unionists and particularly the dupers were loitering far behind the people with vision.They have attempted to take political power without realising that they were in a new situation and have shown no ability to govern in an inclusive and equality based manner.When is the penny going to drop that they are in a NEW situation.How much time do the slow starters need to catch up.They are hamstrung by being both slow learners and slow starters.The patience of the people with the vision to bring the process so far is being tested but hopefully somewhere in unionism there are people willing to rise to the challenge.

  • ??

    “The patience of the people with the vision to bring the process so far is being tested but hopefully somewhere in unionism there are people willing to rise to the challenge. “….

    To do what? Give into Republican demands? You must be thinking of the Ulster Unionist Party, and look where it got them

  • SW

    I reckon Gerry might just want the whole executive to fail… it was always better for him in the good old days when he could screw concessions directly out of the British Govt after all.

    He really has become a pale shadow of his former self lately, sitting in splendid isolation on the back benches of Stormont, jacketless, faded jeans, shirt sleeves rolled up, but nothing much to do.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    At last – a Unionist with balls who is prepared to critisize the DUP – well done Dawn, I’m sure David Ervine would have approved. Wee Reggie and the Neo Cons take note.

    From the BBC
    Dawn Purvis told her party conference that some in the DUP were blocking the devolution of policing just to “get one over on Sinn Fein.”

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Comrade Stalin – a couple more quotes I tripped over – give me a good belly laugh and tell me El Gordo wasnt speaking to the DUP and that the well known SF mouthpice the Belly Telly just misinterpeted him.

    What you said.

    “Yes, I will quite happily say “I was wrong” when you post the article where Gordon Brown says that the DUP must move on the transfer of policing and justice powers. ”

    What the Belfast Telegraph said.

    “There is speculation that the DUP leader took a final decision to withdraw after Prime Minister Gordon Brown last week urged unionists to ‘set the date’ for the devolution of policing and justice. ”

    “And yesterday Secretary of State Shaun Woodward intensified the pressure on the DUP by suggesting a timeframe for the transfer of police and criminal courts powers in 12 months.”

  • ??

    t last – a Unionist with balls who is prepared to critisize the DUP – well done Dawn, I’m sure David Ervine would have approved. Wee Reggie and the Neo Cons take note………

    A loyalist paramilitary political group demanding the devolution of P+J in agreement with a republican paramilitary political group.. who would have guessed that

  • DC

    Peter Robinson is clearly a parvenu.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    I’m glad you folks agree with Dawn, she also said:

    She also said some in Sinn Fein “did not want a Brit about the place”.

    She said the squabbling was not helping ordinary people who are struggling to pay their bills.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7665469.stm

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    she’s probably got that spot on as well

  • Toby

    A suggested solution

    The north should repartitioned so that the constitutional status within the UK is secure, at least in the short term. In return nationalists should be guaranteed at least half the posts in the Executive including one of the joint First Minister posts. An Irish Language Act should be implemented as soon as possible subject to a maximum public expenditure cost of £5 million per year while Ulster-Scots should no longer receive support. Similarly, policing and justice should be devolved as soon as possible but the department should not be lead by a Minister but instead a Civil Servant jointly appointed by the north, the south and London- the current members of the Alliance Party just aren’t good enough. The MLK museum should be given the go ahead provided that the funding comes from the south.

    Education is more tricky, but reflecting the importance of choice, schools should be free to admit pupils on the basis of academic selection. However, the funding for these academic selection schools would progressively be reduced (by say 10% overall) with the savings directed towards increasing the schools funding supplement in respect of children entitled to free school meals. In addition, schools in deprived areas would be able to offer additional pay to attract the best teachers. The corollary is that there should be greater scope to sack poor teachers and close poor schools – there is more than enough capacity in the system to allow for this.

    This is only a suggestion- but it would be nice if Sluggerites could use their collective brainpower to come up with a fair and sustainable solution to the current political impasse.

  • Dub

    Mick Hall,

    Spot on about the Brits’ game plan. This is something that is discussed hardly at all… wonder why that is. SF i think still boxing clever though…

    Dublin Govt also revealed its own intentions recently with return to safe nationalism of cowen and out with bertie who was actually threatening the status quo…

  • Comrade Stalin

    Comrade Stalin – a couple more quotes I tripped over – give me a good belly laugh and tell me El Gordo wasnt speaking to the DUP and that the well known SF mouthpice the Belly Telly just misinterpeted him.

    Stop the misdirection. You specifically claimed that Gordon Brown was addressing the DUP. Provide the quotation from Gordon Brown where he addressed the DUP, and I’ll admit that you’re right and I’m wrong. You are more than welcome to continue to enjoy the belly laughs, especially if you perceive them to be at my expense. I reserve the right to call you on your twisted misinterpretations of reality.

    Gordon Brown, like any other British PM, cannot be seen to be taking sides. Furthermore, the British cannot alienate the unionists at this stage, due to volatility at Westminster. This wanky republican fantasy that the unionists are on the puppetstrings of shady characters in London, and that unionists will do whatever the British command them to, died a long time ago. Some people obviously haven’t figured this out yet.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Toby,

    That little manifesto of yours is a path to civil war. If the conflict here has taught us anything, surely it’s that people need to talk and work stuff out, rather than eejits imposing shopping lists on people like your one which sounds like it comes from a rural SDLP internal memo.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Comrade Stalin,

    “twisted misinterpretations of reality” – were you including the Belly Telly and Wee Reggie in that as well – or just me? lol

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mainly you. Keep on laughing.

  • Dave

    Sammy, who wrote the GFA? Although you think it was SF, and that the British government, et al, are following a SF agenda, you’ll discover with a little research that the GFA was substantively prewritten by the British and presented to the parties for signing. The SF party got nothing for their capitulation except a get-out-of-jail free card for their gang members and a few pensionable jobs in Her Majesty’s administration for the boys.

  • Dave

    You are absolutely correct, however it is the nature of the northern Statelet that perception is all and it is for this reason alone that it is unworkable in the long run.

    Of course the UK Government knows this and has concluded there best bet is to concoct a scheme that will at least keep the lid on the place, in the hope of the Unionists eventually recognizing the reality of their position. Pigs and flying springs to mind.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Dave,

    thats the beauty of the GFA – you can argue its a sell out of Republican principles and the DUP argued it was a sell out of Unionist principles.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Dave,

    If you mean that the idea was always to have some sort of local administration, then yes, you might argue that this was presented by the British, although they had essentially just adopted it from back when it was a key nationalist demand in the early/mid 1970s.

    The early versions of the British/Irish post-ceasefire joint consensus of what should happen here in the Downing St Declaration and the Framework Document have significant differences with the GFA. I remember the Framework document in particular had the notion of “three wise men” who would oversee the assembly. I always thought the GFA was a unionist document with nationalist decorations; the decorations were enough to placate the nationalists but scare the unionists. Once you get past those decorations, the whole document really is a surrender of republican principles. Not that this is a bad thing – somebody had to surrender after all.

    I have also always thought that SF were making it up as they went along. They expected in 1994 that the IRA ceasefire would automatically lead to all-party talks within which the British government would announce it’s intention to withdraw from Ireland.