UUP selects

Former Councillor Basil Johnston has been selected by the UUP to run for the Enniskillen by-election. The BBC says the TUV will decide later this week. There seems little talk of what is happening on the nationalist side or whether SF will face a republican challenge.

CORRECTION The statistics quoted on a previous thread about Sylvia Hermon’s voting records for Labour were incorrect.

  • billie-Joe Remarkable

    By “republican challenge”, I take it you mean that the challenge is for SF to demonstrate that, actually, they still are republicans?

  • “The BBC says the TUV will decide later this week.”

    is that decide whether to run at all or decide on a candidate???

    imo they simply HAVE to fight this election as not doing so damages their credibility. a protest party can’t pick their fights…

  • Mr Niceguy

    Are the Alliance standing?

  • Mike

    I did wonder about that statistic, given it came from Newton Emerson (he’s been using it for a while, too).

    His grasp of facts can be pretty poor. For example talking about “the NIO” when he means the NI Departments, a particular NI Department, or the NI Civil Service – this has led him to attribute decisions to the wrong bodies and draw conclusions that make little sense.

    Another classic I remember from Slugger was him contrasting the old UVF’s getting arms from Germany with the Ulster and Irish Divisions, clearly not realising one took place before the other than that these Divisions were to a large degree comprised of Ulster and National Volunteers.

    Emerson’s columns can be very amusing and enteraining, and he’s great at unpicking some of the pomposity and hypocrisy of our politicians, but his grasp of facts can be very poor indeed.

  • interested

    If the TUV don´t run then it shows how they intend to coast into the foreseeable future boasting about one election result at one particular time, and aren´t actaully prepared to put themselves forward right across Northern Ireland.

    If they can´t find someone from Fermanagh to run, particularly given the propensity for one high-profile member to sign his letters from Ballinamallard then its busted flush time for the TUV.

  • …”and aren´t actaully prepared to put themselves forward right across Northern Ireland”

    i think this is the biggest problem they have – lack of candidates willing to stand….

    aren’t the TUV in local government with SF? don’t they have some councillors iirc??

  • Fermanagh Voter

    I actually think that if the TUV don’t run they would be showing people that rather than risking a SF seat for their own gain they are standing back to give unionists a shot at this seat. If only the UUP would have had the same loyalty to unionists in Fermanagh.

    P.s I’m not a TUV supporter but I will have a lot more repect for them if they don’t contest this seat. If they do they will only reaffirm the status of being an egotistic party out for themselves in my opinion.

  • the TUV membership surely will demand a shot at this election?? no?

    FV – “If only the UUP would have had the same loyalty to unionists in Fermanagh.”

    TUV haven’t said no yet…..

  • Fermanagh Voter

    As someone who knows a few of the TUV membership in Fermanagh but admittedly not that well I agree some will want a shot but most will know that by running they will have both given the seat to SF and also created a scapegoat for UUP. Also I know that a few of the members were good friends with Joe Dodds and know the last thing he would want would be SF sitting in his seat.

  • the looking glass

    who else have tuv got in fermanagh to run, particularly if morrison cannmot run due to his belfast base (despite signing letters using Ballinamallard)?

    As for the UUP candidate, i think – similar to tuv – they claearly have had problesms getting a candidate to take on foster. understandable, as they will get walloped. basil johnston is incredibly poor though surely. why did the previosuly proclaimed ‘well known’ dourish and bradshaw not run?

  • Fermanagh Voter

    Ive heard rumours of Blain Bailey running and George Davis (I hope not). I think the problem is that in Fermanagh Sammy is the TUV’s best hope for a candidate and as stated before he does live in Belfast and so that wouldn’t work.

    I don’t think that any UUP candidate even their most high profile member Tom Elliott can top Arlene’s vote as was shown in the MP elections so in effect all the UUP are doing is …. actually what are they playing at? :S

    I’m also quite surprised to hear of so many young memebers in the UUP. I do recall one incident where a close family member of one of the proposed UUP candidates proceeded in telling me that the UUP had offered to stand down in either FST or S Belfast and the DUP had refused it so maybe this is the route of the UUP’s problems they live in a parallel universe

  • the looking glass

    blaine bailey and george davis…..nuff said

  • fermanagh voter

    Nice enough ppl but not councillors

  • Not a Kerr

    Poor Basil. He obviously pulled out the short straw and is the unfortunate sod to “take one for the party”.

    I am told a few prospective candidates such as Kenneth Donaldson, Alan Dewerish and Mark Ovens are not best pleased with Bertie Kerr.

    In his knee-jerk statement follow his calling for a by-election, 200-votes Kerr stated that the UUP candidate would have previous experience as a councillor. Hardly a smart comment given the calibre of deposed Fermanagh UUP Councillors…

    Could anyone confirm that up until Tuesday evening no nominations had been received for the UUP selection, due to take place the next evening? It was only when Tom Elliott went begging around the membership that the submissive Basil gave in to his party superior.

    Some very worried souls in Regal Pass UUP HQ today no doubt. Perhaps the stupidity of Bertie Kerr’s action and the prospect of an electoral thumping courtesy of Arlene Foster has finally dawned on them.

  • USA

    “Nice enough ppl but not councillors”

    What? Like being a local councillor in FST is such a big whoop di doo?

    Instead of using the cover name “Fermanagh voter” why not be more honest and call yourself “DUP member and Fermanagh voter”?

    All your “close family member”, “I heard rumours” and “as someone who knows a few of the TUV membership in Fermanagh” garbage isn’t fooling anyone. You are a DUP party hack doing Peter’s bidding because they don’t want the TUV standing.
    And to bring in the name of the dead Joe Dodds for political gain is just a disgrace, can you really get lower than this:
    “Also I know that a few of the members were good friends with Joe Dodds and know the last thing he would want would be SF sitting in his seat.”

    You should be ashamed of yourself but the DUP have no shame do they?

  • and there was me just happy enough to hear from someone (on the face of it) from the electoral area!

    consider yourself scolded fermanagh voter!

  • We’ll Never Forget You Jimmy Sands

    [edited by moderator- no guessing games – respect nicknames]

    You have to feel sorry for the poor TUV in this by-election.

    Their only “rising-star” is no longer considered a suitable due to his location.

    Do they run and get a pathetic vote in Enniskillen or do they sit this one out and have their false dawn of Dromore brought to a sudden halt?

  • nisew

    Sammy Morrison cannot appeal to voters. He acts like he’s 70 years old. The guy is better suited for a role behind the scenes. If he’s the TUV’s rising star then god help them.

  • USA

    [edited by moderator as it refers to another endited comment] and you again insult another dead person by using the “nom de plume” of Jimmy Sands.
    You are a [edited by moderator – play the ball]

  • fair_deal

    Too often threads on the fermanagh by-election have ended up with moderated comments. There is a level above the playground please try to get to it. If not threads the topic will not be covered or with no comment threads.

  • Flat Earter

    “Sammy Morrison cannot appeal to voters. He acts like he’s 70 years old.”

    Please elaborate.

  • Fermanagh Voter

    USA

    Yes I vote for DUP, I wasn’t trying to hide that fact. I said I wasn’t a TUV supporter and I also said the UUP live in a parallel universe so by powers of deduction that would leave me a DUP supporter but unfortunately I have never even spoken to Peter Robinson. I think you need to relax a bit as you seem a little wound up. I also think that being a Councillor in FST can lead to big things, look at Arlene Foster for example now Minister of Enterprise etc. we had Nigel Dodds while admittedly not a Cllr here but raised here so we have good stock.

  • Turgon

    Can I just echo fair_deal’s remarks. The Fermanagh by election is of great interest to unionists and who is standing is relevant. Some discussion of the relative personal merits of the individual candidates is appropriate. However, personal attacks on anyone be that Arlene Foster, the UUP candidate or any putative TUV candidate is inappropriate.

  • zoonpol

    If Mrs Foster does win then we can rule her out of for running for MEP or MP – ‘dual’ and ‘tri’ mandates are becoming hot potatoes: if not already unlawful in some cases then immoral.
    The economic downturn is biting us all so all public representatives will be under increasing scrutiny to give monies worth to their electorate. No one doubts that the DUP has a head start in this ward but if she wins this battle has she not lost the war in the long run …

  • zoonpol

    I forgot that she (Arlene Foster) is also Economy Minister besides being an MLA. Her now First Minister colleague (Peter Robinson) within the DUP set the precedent for resigning his council set due to conflict of interest and duty including time etc. Let’s see if the Sweeny fiasco also impacts on her future actions.

  • Fermanagh TUV member

    “Ive heard rumours of Blain Bailey running and George Davis (I hope not).”
    Come on! You know that isn’t true!

  • Blackmouth

    Blain Bailey? Oh please make it so!

    What good crack that would be!

  • Fermanagh Voter

    I’ll be glad if it’s not but Sammy would have been their best candidate (that I know of) but he will get put down because he’s only in Fermanagh on Sundays

  • Blackmouth

    To my mind this is largely an academic discussion. I don’t think Allister will run someone, even if his people want to. Though it will be interesting to see just how much control over his folks in that part of the country Allister actually has.

    Either way, someone is going to be disappointed.

  • Fermanagh Voter

    Blackmouth

    I agree, I think Jim Allister wouldn’t risk handing the seat to SF and I think he’s smart enough to know that if he runs a candidate that the UUP will say ‘Jim Allister and the TUV lost the seat not us’ and so become their scapegoat and then they can lull their voters into a false sense of security once again

  • Fermanagh Voter

    Tinkerbell

    Do you know Blaine? If yes then you’ll know he is a nice fella but def not a councillor.

  • Fermanagh Voter

    He’s not a senior member in the Free Prebyterian Church, I know he is in the Orange Lodge but I’m not sure how high a position he has. I agree with you that he met with Dr Paisley servel times and I think he was even in their house but I’m not sure I would stretch to confidente and again I don’t know about taking services in the Martyr’s.

  • Blackmouth

    Blaine Bailey has never taken a service in the Martyrs Memorial. He is not a close friend of Paisley – the very idea is absurd. Interstingly his Bebo page lists “wanking” as one of his favourite sports – perhaps he would be an ideal TUV candidate after all!

    http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=971854702

  • nisew

    #

    “Sammy Morrison cannot appeal to voters. He acts like he’s 70 years old.”

    Please elaborate.
    Posted by Flat Earter on Aug 01, 2008 @ 10:25 AM

    If you had two possible candidates to put forward for an election, thats say Sammy Morrison and Keith Harbison. Who would be able to appeal to the younger and older voters? Who has the most charisma? The answer is obvious.

    I’m guessing Mr. Morrison is in his late 20’s but if I was going by his dress sense and demeanor I would say 70 years old. The word cool and Sammy do not go hand in hand.

  • fair_deal

    Red card to the sock puppet on this thread with 7 different identities.

  • paul kielty

    All political parties, at election time, stand on their manifestos. They put themselves before the people, and let the people decide, based on those manifestos. This is the basis of democracy!

    How come whenever an election is called in FST, unionists go into overdrive in their attempts to subvert democracy(this ‘agreed candidate’ nonsense). They are also in denial, and are in fact oblivious to their own mis-behaviour.

    This obsession with keeping the croppies down/out, goes beyond sectarianism, it is anti-irish racism pure and simple.

    Cop on to yourselves!!

    Every political party should fight every constituency. If ANY political party attempts to ‘stand aside’ anywhere, they should be villified accordingly.

  • Fermanagh Young Unionist

    Young Thomas… you made it blatantly clear rather early in this thread that you were the identity behind all these sockpuppets- rather sad considering you were only a few minutes away from becoming a councillor at one stage last month. You’re actions on this thread show a lot about your general personality.

    Oh and I think its rather pathetic you bring Blain (and his bebo page lol) into this. We all know that when he left the DUP then so did your chances of a Young Democrats in Fermanagh.

    Anyhow, you get over the last few, erm, uncomfortable weeks ok?

    Best of luck to Basil in the election, it will certainly be interesting one.

  • Newton Emerson

    Mea culpa – my apologies to Lady Hermon for the error.

  • Richard James

    FYU-

    How many candidates sought the UUP nomination? Any how many of those candidates had their names in before the close of nominations?

    Would you not have considering putting your own name forward?

  • Richard James

    I think it says all you need to know about the candidature of Basil Johnston, that in the news article they use a photograph of Arlene.

    Poor choice on the part of the UUP.

  • Blackmouth

    Paul Kielty

    “Every political party should fight every constituency. If ANY political party attempts to ‘stand aside’ anywhere, they should be villified accordingly.”

    Like the SDLP when Bobby Sands ran in Fermanagh in 1981? Who was trying to keep who down then?

  • Fermanagh Young Unionist

    FYU-
    How many candidates sought the UUP nomination? Any how many of those candidates had their names in before the close of nominations?

    Richard

    You should know by now that such party business belongs far away from a public forum such as Slugger.