Comedy v Quotations

Don’t know whether Gail Walker would consider Obamamania as an extension of liberal media bias or not but both the Daily Show and McCain campaigns have picked up on the theme so which is the more effective approach, comedy or quotations?

  • Rory

    Even those of us who might have a Democratic bent might shy off admitting to having “a boner for Obama” for fear of Iris denouncing us on the Nolan Show and in the Bele Tele.

  • smcgiff

    The Daily show is a must watch, imo – especially the opening 10 or so minutes.

  • 6countyprod

    It speaks volumes for how great America is when a black man can have the opportunity to run as president. Fantastic place!

    Having recently spent five weeks in the US, in eight states, I noticed that many Americans that I spoke to were already getting a little fed up with Obamamania in the media, and that was before his current trip. It could all backfire on him.

    Americans, I reckon, are not so easily suckered by a media which according to surveys are at least 80% liberal, Democrat supporters.

  • Greenflag

    One has to feel sorry for McCain . His only chance is if Obama does something incredibly stupid or somebody digs up some ‘peccadillo ‘ like he hung his pet dog when he was at high school. McCain’s time was 2000. The Republicans are lucky to have McCain as a candidate for he will at least poll better come November than any of the other republican contenders would have .

    This election is over . The only question is how many extra Democrats Obama will drag with him into the Senate and House of Representatives .

    Make way for FDR Mark 2 and the consigning of the religious nutters and neo con maniacal right to political purgatory for a couple of decades . It will take that long to clean up the economic mess and foreign policy disaster which they have dumped on middle class America for the past . The mood in the USA is turning to a cross between the 1890’s and 1920’s backlash against the ‘corporate’ greed and it’s Wall St backers which have seen middle class income stagnation for the best part of a decade as well as a health care and foreign policy mess unprecedented in USA history .

    When ‘Business Week ‘an American right wing magazine has as it’s headline

    ‘HOW WALL ST ATE THE ECONOMY’

    then you know the game is up for the neo cons and their pentecostal politics .

    Poor Obama – If he sorts out the mess (unlikely in one term ) he’ll be awhere shoo in for a second term .

  • Rory

    Perhaps you’re right, 6countyprod, but they do seem to have been easily suckered in two presidential elections by a group of greedy callous thugs who have brought them to social and economic ruin while they secreted away the fat profits and squandered the lives of America’s sons and daughters in that pursuit while blackening the country’s name throughout the globe. They may just want payback for that enough to ignore the uncomfortable matter of Barak’s skin colour, which I suspect is the hidden item on the agenda.

    November will tell.

  • latcheeco

    Greenflag,
    Maybe it wasn’t you (apologies if not) but i thought you were predicting a rerun of ’04 based on the electoral college map.
    Rory,
    You can’t underestimate the role 911 and crap democratic opponents played in the easy suckering.

    Bottom line is that it is, and always was, about gas prices, (although they’ll probably come down swiftly between now and November in an effort to save McCain.)

  • IRIA

    McCain virtually challenging Obama to go to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. will end up one of the big political blunders of all time.

    That McCain released videos is ridiculous. Wasn’t that long ago that he called the media “his base”.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/118076?tid=relatedcl

  • circles

    “It speaks volumes for how great America is when a black man can have the opportunity to run as president.”

    What kind of completely arbitrary and absolutely irrelevant measure of greatness is that 6CP? Strangely enough there are quite a few other black presidents allowed to run countries around the world (granted it did take many years of independence struggles). I’m only hoping you dripped sarcasm all over that post and i just didn’t get it.

    What screams volumes about America though is that to date government has had the face of an aging white anglo-saxon protestant male – despite being one of the world’s most richly ethnically mixed nations.

  • 6countyprod

    Rory,
    Why is the colour of Barack’s skin ‘an uncomfortable matter’. Are you implying that Americans are basically racist, but will vote for BO to try to avoid the charge. MLK said that a man should not be judged by the colour of his skin, but the content of his character. The vast majority of African Americans are obviously judging him by the colour of his skin, so it would seem that they are the ones who are racist. All said and done, Barack might just indeed be the first ‘affirmative action’ president!

    IRIA,
    You are right there. McCain had no idea that the media would use it as an opportunity to crown Obama president and saviour of the world. The subterfuge coming from their reports on the Iraq part of the trip is astounding.

    Circles,
    What kind of completely arbitrary and absolutely irrelevant measure of greatness…

    I should have, of course, qualified that with a limitation to western or ‘white’ countries where it seems other ethnic groups rarely or never get a chance to serve in high office.

    Maybe I have forgotten, or have never heard, but can you tell me of any European or predominantly ‘white’ country where a Black person holds or has held high office like president or prime minister, or has even had a shot at such an office.

    George Bush, for all his failings, and to his credit, has included many more Blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic groups in his government than the Dems ever have.

    Were Bill Clinton and GW Bush aging white anglo-saxon protestant males when they took office? One good thing about the next Bush president, maybe I’m wrong, but I think he is a Catholic!

  • wild turkey

    FD
    Gail Walker or Gail Whitaker? The link above does not work so I am making the heroic assumption that you meant to link to Ms Wickers piece in the Bel Tele today. Am I correct?

    In that piece she took to task the liberal media and the ‘so-called integrated sector’ ie integrated education.

    above 6countyprod notes that ‘It speaks volumes for how great America is when a black man can have the opportunity to run as president. Fantastic place!’

    Well shucks, in my lifetime black men were running. Running away from ANGLO-SAXON MALES with a pillowcase fetish. As reported by the ‘right thinking media’ black men also occassionally shuffled through watermelon patches hellbent on undermining ‘States Rights’. With the help of outside agitators and a liberal media unrepresentative of the will of the people.

    But what is truly fantastic is the ability ,of what some journo/Tele friends allege to be a cabbage doll, to put paws to keyboard and have the output published as an article in the world class, independent, Belfast Telegraph.

    I would have more to say… But my kids go to a ‘so-called’ integrated school and are so hopelessly diverse and liberal as to be hassling me so they can surf the net for some pictures by the family of painting elephants. They appreciate natural talent.

    Like my 8 yr old daughter just said ‘Cabbage dolls are so yesterday’

    CIAO

  • 6countyprod

    I am not a WASP, more a Celt by blood, but I have a great admiration for the tremendous achievements of the WASP ethnic group.

  • 6countyprod

    But to answer the question at the beginning of the thread:

    which is the more effective approach, comedy or quotations?

    I reckon images are more effective than either comedy or quotations. The image on the New Yorker cover, which reflected so many, at the least, half-truths about Obama, will stick, while jokes and comments will quickly be forgotten.

  • Greenflag

    latcheeco,

    ‘Maybe it wasn’t you (apologies if not) but i thought you were predicting a rerun of ‘04 based on the electoral college ‘

    That was prior to Obama winning the primary and the present financial ‘meltdown’ which shows no sign of being ‘fixed’ before November . Even if oil prices go down it’ll hardly be enough for McCain to come close . What you have in the States is a changing ‘paradigm’ for the middle class and poorer whites . Yes there are a few racists but they’ll be such a minority that they’ll be swamped by young hispanics and the white educated . Add that to the changing relative ‘economic status’ of the white middle class relative to the minority of super rich and it all adds up to a ‘republican ‘ meltdown in November . Obama is winning over most of the former Clintonites. At the same time the blue rinse geriatric brigade who favour McCain are disenchanted with the Republicans over a whole host of issues ranging from problems with Medicare to the continuing ‘revelations’ of linkages between republican leaders and many of the top tier of white collar financial criminals. The latter have plundered and thieved everything they could from pensions to outrageous mortgage fees to war profiteering . The list of companies who’s CEO’s have been jailed for all kinds of corruption is the highest it’s ever been . It’s thus hardly surpising that decent traditional Republican voters are enthused about this coming election . Also the still fervent pentecostalist ‘vote’ are not keen on McCain either . They suspect he’s as ‘religious’ as Hilary Clinton.

    McCain might do better to stand as an ‘Independent ‘ and drop the Republican name tag altogether .

    Can’t see McCain turning this election around . Barring as I said a major self inflicted wound by Obama on himself and he’s too clever a politician for that . It’s more likely in fact that McCain will shoot off his mouth in the wrong direction .

    I would personnally have preferred to see Clinton as the candidate but that has nothing to do with Obama’s skin colour . I suspect that Clinton would have a head start on Obama in that she knows who the ‘enemy’ is for Americas’s middle class . Obama may make the mistake of trying to be Mr Nice Guy to all being the first african american president . I hope he can forget about any ‘race’ issues -and just do the ****ing job that needs to be done 🙂 .

    The ‘world ‘ depends on it .

  • Fair Deal

    WT

    Apologies Link fixed (not having much luck with links today).

  • Greenflag

    6countyprod,

    ‘One good thing about the next Bush president, maybe I’m wrong, but I think he is a Catholic!’

    No maybe about it . You are 🙂 Bush Sr had hoped that Jeb (the Catholic) would have been his heir . He’s apparently very upset that Dubya has made such a bollix of the job that the Bush name is now associated with failure and disgrace to such a degree that the Bush name will not appear on a Presidential ballot for the rest of this century if not longer.

  • Peat Blog

    “I reckon images are more effective than either comedy or quotations. The image on the New Yorker cover, which reflected so many, at the least, half-truths about Obama, will stick, while jokes and comments will quickly be forgotten.”

    6cp,

    I guess it depends on what generation you are talking about. The younger generation would, I suspect, prefer sharing a YouTube clip, which will rely on either genuine footage from interviews etc. or satire and voice overs such as the various Downfall clips with funny subtitles.

    Cartoons will be for those who actaully buy and read magazines and newspapers, neither of which appear to be doing well of late. I wonder why?

    I understand that Obama has made best use of new technologies and has a very young and inthusiastic team, especially around college campuses. All those internet nerds.

  • Peat Blog

    “No maybe about it. You are 🙂 Bush Sr had hoped that Jeb (the Catholic) would have been his heir”

    Lets hope it’s not a tight run race if it does come to pass…

  • 6countyprod

    Greenflag,
    By the time Jeb stands, everyone will be praising W for the great job he did in overthrowing Saddam and ushering democracy into Iraq and the Arab world. (Don’t know if Afgans consider themselves Arabs.)

    Peat Blog,
    You are absolutely right. The New Yorker cover was picked up by websites/blogs etc, so got a look more coverage than it should have.

    Just came across this on a site I had never visited before. It’s a fascinating 7 minute with Obama and McCain.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-tells-katie-couric-surge-worked.html

  • Peat Blog

    “(Don’t know if Afgans consider themselves Arabs.)”

    6cp,

    No, as far as I know they despise Arabs, which is possibly why the Americans found it easier to recruit locals (helped by all that filthy loot) to fight the Taleban all those years ago. They have a long and proud culture of resistance to outside interference in the “Stan”.

    Better not pass comment on the democracy bit. If we didn’t covet all that oil maybe there would be more Arab democracies (there are of course a number of Muslim ones already).

    Thanks for the link.

  • Greenflag

    peat bog

    ‘They have a long and proud culture of resistance to outside interference in the “Stan”.’

    That’s true as the Brits and Russkies will attest . Unfortunately they also have another side to their culture of which the Taliban are representative .

    Obama seems keener on confronting the Taliban than the Iraqi insurgents/rebels . Finishing one job before starting another seems like a plan that might just succeed .

    6countyprod ,

    ‘By the time Jeb stands, everyone will be praising W for the great job he did in overthrowing Saddam and ushering democracy into Iraq and the Arab world.’

    Full marks for optimism but neither your grandchildren nor mine will live to see ‘democracy’ in Saudi Arabia nor in any of the degenerate Arab monarchies in the region . Iraq may yet be ‘partitioned ‘ between Sunnis , Kurds and Shiites – The best hope for any kind of democracy in the region is probably Iran -i.e America’s enemy 🙁

  • Harry Flashman

    @GF

    “This election is over”

    Ah hubris, hubris, it most certainly is not, not by a very long chalk indeed.

    If it were it would be reflected in a massive lead by Obama in the polls, and they’re absolutely neck and neck, so on one hand we have a cranky old git who can’t wear a suit straight up against a handsome young dude over whom the media are fawning and throwing their collective underwear but the dude can’t even get a lead in the polls above a margin of error, now why might that be?

    Nixon put it very well; “you can’t win with just the conservatives, but you can’t win without the conservatives”, Obama has the hispanics (some, not all) and he’s got the hip trendy young students, whoopy do for him, but the people who actually vote, well they’re not so sure.

    Obama is proving himself to be just another run of the mill politico, not the second coming of Jesus Christ as his supporters allege and as the emptiness of his policy platform, nothing beyond “I am hope, we are change, we are the hope I change” schtick comes under greater scrutiny the real voters will fall away in droves. I’m not convinced he is getting the Clinton voters and the uber-left internet whackjobs that supported him are disillusioned with him for not being radical enough; he’s got no base.

    You are right (me too) they shoulda gone with Hillary, she was their winner, I said this all along and nothing has changed my mind yet. If Obama can’t win in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida etc and he hasn’t shown the ability to do so, he hasn’t got a ghost of a chance of getting his feet under the desk at the Oval Office.

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  • 6countyprod

    Follow the money!

    Maybe we can better understand the attitude of the media to Obama and McCain when we read this:
    http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=301702713742569

  • latcheeco

    Flash,
    Republican is a dirty word everywhere here at the minute especially in the states you mentioned. Obama will do what he has to to get elected because there’s no other way to get elected and its no reflection on him.
    (P.S. Good quote from Jon Stewart” On his recent Middle East tour, Obama stooped by Bethlehem to see the place of his birth.”)

    Greenflag,
    Sure didn’t i tell yourself and Mick Hall this was a perfect storm for Obama, but oil is effecting everything here (its also why i think Hilery almost made a comeback as a safe pair of hands: the second half of the primary season was hers as prices went up) and thats the part of the weak economy thats hurting the middle and lower class most every day, not foreclosures or shakey markets, bad as they are. If oil prices stabilize between now and November Obama may not do as well. New electoral demographics are second to economics. There is still a massive amount of rascism to be factored in which could be an unknown wildcard if gas goes down.

  • 6countyprod

    Would a European country elect a Black man as its leader? The followong article addresses the question:
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/45482.html