“The genocide is ongoing”

The Republic of Ireland’s Minister of Defence, Willie O’Dea, has described the current situation in Chad as “highly volatile” and the most challenging mission ever undertaken by the Defence Forces. It won’t have been made any less volatile after the decision by the International Criminal Court to file 10 charges of war crimes against Sudan’s president, Omar al-Bashir. The New York Times reported that thousands of his supporters had protested in Sudan’s capital, Khartoum, ahead of the announcement. The Guardian provides an informative map of the region with refugee camps and UN risk assessments, although the risk to refugee camps inside Chad isn’t noted.

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  • cynic

    Combine this with the rebel attack on Khartoum last month, the attack on the UN convoy in Darfur this week and its an increasingly dangerous situation in this entire Region. In effect, there is now a war by proxy between Chad and Sudan and the UN and AU appear grossly under-resourced in the region despite pious promises from member states of both organisations.

    As in Zimbabwe, there is also a serious lack of political will in Africa to resolve this.

    As a side issue, isnt this a further illustration of the politics of oil and China’s malign inflence in some of these issues? Yesterday the Chinese were exposed in illegal arms shipments to the Sudanese regime. Then we have their support for Mugabe’s political genocide in Zimbabwe. In both cases access to oil and mineral resources seem to be major factors.

    China is potentially a great power but in terms of international politics it has a long way to go if it wants to gain face and respect.

  • Ulsters my homeland

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  • Greenflag

    cynic ,

    ‘but in terms of international politics it has a long way to go if it wants to gain face and respect.

    When you have a population of 1.3 billion or one on five of the planet you’ve already gone a long way to gaining face and respect . When your country’s purchase of United States Treasury Bills keeps the USA dollar from becoming a Zimbabwe look alike then frankly the opinions of the UN or the AU or the UK or Ireland matter a little .

    Willi needs to get the Irish troops out of there before we have to bring them back in body bags or suffer major international embarassment in having to ‘buy’ them back from ‘Bashir’s thugs .

    ‘In both cases access to oil seems to be a major factor.’

    Iraq deja vu .

  • Ulsters my homeland

    for the third time……

    “[i][See commenting policy – edited moderator]”[/i]

    could you please point out to me which part of my post was deemed subject to your commenting policy?

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  • RepublicanStones

    Let the lads get on with their tour, its a dry trip and no doubt beers will have been well earned come repatriation. I doubt if this indictment has Omar quaking in his sandals, the international communty’s record of going after war criminals is laughable. Anyone fancy a hunting trip to the balkans?

  • Pete Baker

    Umh

    There’s a ball already on the pitch.

    If you don’t want to comment on the actual topic, what’s happening in Chad and Sudan, then don’t comment.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]There’s a ball already on the pitch.

    If you don’t want to comment on the actual topic, what’s happening in Chad and Sudan, then don’t comment.”[/i]

    So now you’re supporting strict thread rules, where comparisons can’t be made and posts have to be about the thread topic?

    Good news, hope you’re consistent about this.

  • cynic

    Greenflag

    I dont agree. If that is the case why are they so obsessed with not losing face?

    China is not a monolith and the leadership are obsessed with the need for internal ‘stability’ and to retain control. They will try to avoid or neutralise anything that risks that. In that context trade and image are critical to them.

    Yes they have propped up the dollar but only because their own currency is seriously undervalued on the exchanges but for political and trade reasons they dont want to revalue.

    Also remember the old adage. Owe the bank £500 and you have a problem. Owe the bank £5m and the bank has a problem.

  • Greenflag

    cynic ,

    ‘If that is the case why are they so obsessed with not losing face? ‘

    The Tibetans could answer you better than I in that regard .

    ‘Owe the bank £5m and the bank has a problem.’

    IIRC 5 banks have been ‘bailed’ out by the FDIC in the USA this year the latest being the Californian Indybank . As I write Freddie mac and Fanny may which hold 50% of all of the 14 trillion dollars in residential mortgage debt in the USA are both technically bankrupt . The Chinese and Japanese among others may wake up some day to find their T Bills will not be worth the paper they are written on .

    It’s a mess -I suspect the only reason the Chinese and Japanese and others keep buying is that neither can afford (yet anyway) to see the USA go through a 1920’s style depression which we all know ended with another World War 🙁

  • heck

    Pete — as the “ball on the field” is the ICC I think it is fair to point out that the ICC is rather selective in those it seeks to file charges against.

    If I point to specific serious war crimes I will be accused of “whataboutery” but it does appear to me that the ICC concentrates on the leaders of third world countries while the leaders of larger powers go free.

    This is not to defend the odious leaders of countries like Sudan or Zimbabwe but if we are to have a system of international law then we have to expect that it will act in an impartial manner, otherwise it is one more tool used by the west against poor countries to make western liberals feel good. I want to see it indict the leader of a powerful country –china over Tibet or Bush and Blair over war crimes in Iraq before I give it full support.

    It reminds me of the British left who will work themselves into a frenzy over some injustice in a far away place, and ignore injustices closer to home. And the further away it is and the less they can affect it the more outraged they will become.

  • cynic

    Greenflag,

    The 1920s depression in Germany was a factor in the rise of Hitler but had no causal link to the USAs involvement in the war.

    By some analysis every time house prices drop by say 20% most mortgage banks might be described as technically insolvent (or close to it) on some measures. But time and inflation sorts that out ….or almost always has done. The problem arises when investors panic and dont wait.

    The Chinese keep buying because they want the Americans to do the same thing. As I said they want to support the US dollar rather than revalue their own currency upwards.

    Damned fiendish these orientals….but even they cant defy the market forever

  • cynic

    Heck

    OK ………….so how many dead do we ignore in the meantime? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?

    Its an imperfect world

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Pete Baker, you’ve lot a few posts go through and they weren’t directly about the genocide in Chad and Sudan. consistency!

    Is it OK to expose genocide by other countries, but not Irish genocide? did you delete my post because it asked how Willie O’Dea sees past Irish troops as patriots and hero’s, yet they were involved in the genocide of Irish Protestants pre/post the war of Independence?

  • Hill16FantastuicView

    UMH,

    Produce a link to an international independant report to support this genocide of Irish protestants or shut the f*ck up!!!
    Unless you can provide this, well, nobody else will give a toss about your opinion.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “Produce a link to an international independant report to support this genocide of Irish protestants or shut the f*ck up!!!”

    Language! there’s children watching.

    “[i]Unless you can provide this, well, nobody else will give a toss about your opinion.”[/i]

    ah, but it’s not just my opinion dipstick. Funny you should ask for international independent reports, you mustn’t trust the word of your own Irish people, like those in the Irish Independent and the Dublin magazine Magill.

  • Greenflag

    cynic ,

    ‘Damned fiendish these orientals….but even they cant defy the market forever ‘

    Neither can Uncle Sam and even though the world can’t afford to see Uncle Sam in the poorhouse it would seem that that’s where this Republican administration is leading the USA with not a little help from the previous Democratic Administration . Americans talk about their ‘national debt ‘ and the fact that their grandchildren will have to be sold off into slavery in order to pay it off and hope to have something left in the Social Security Fund so that American retirees are not condemned to a diet of dog biscuits and cat food in their golden years .

    Much is made of the ‘national debt’ but what has escaped or to be more accurate been completely ‘ignored’ by the politicians on all sides is the quadrupling of American ‘private ‘ debt ‘ over the past 15 years . There has not beenanything like a quadrupling of productivity , GDP or incomes during the same period . In fact real household incomes in the USA have stagnated and probably declined in the USA over the same period . The ‘feel good’ factor of the Clinton years was due simply to the ‘take over’ of the American economy by the ‘financial services sector’ . Free market capitalism and ‘deregulation’ have just done about as much damage as they possibly could given the conditions .

    Who would not like to own a business like Fanni May or Freddie Mac whereby if you make money you earn a million dollars a year and get to share in an annula bonus share out of 250 million and if you lose money you get the american taxpayer to cough up your losses ? No wonder the ex CEO of one of these concerns is doing time in prison .

    Insane is not the word for it . Take a look at the list of American politicians of both parties who have been ’employed ‘ by these ‘gangster ‘ concerns .

    ‘Damned fiendish these orientals’

    Perhaps but they have a long way to go to catch up on the merchants of Wall St:(

  • BfB

    Bush and Blair over war crimes in Iraq

    Cites please (not from Greenie, though 😉 )

    And no quoting Bin Laden either.

  • BfB

    Thrift Failures, 1986–1995
    ($Millions)
    $393,998

    Been there, done that.

  • UMH

    UMH,

    Simple as this in a reasoned debate you should be able to back up your statements with something called evidence. You failed.
    10am it’s past your bedtime little boy.