Loss of faith

The Roman Catholic Bishops in Northern Ireland have criticised the Education Minister, Catriona Ruane, over her handling of school selection procedures. They say the minister has created an atmosphere of:

“fear, uncertainty and instability”

They also want all parties to work together to resolve the matter.

  • KieranJ

    “The Catholic Bishops in Northern Ireland”

    Just how many Catholic Bishops are there in the six counties?

  • joeCanuck

    Does it matter, Kieran, if they have all criticized her as this implies.
    Regardless of your religion collectively these hombres are a fairly powerful bunch of guys within their sect.

  • KieranJ

    Actually, it does matter. There are nine Catholic Bishops in the six counties to minister over a total Catholic population of under 700,000. That clocks out to under 90,000 folks per Bishop.

    Not a bad job.

    In the United States, a Catholic Bishop usually attend a flock of half a million of the faithful.

    I think these fellows have too much time on their hands. Perhaps they would better serve their constituents by policing the parish priests under their charge.

    Oh, and yes, I’m a practicing Catholic in the United States.

  • willis

    Not sure what the point of a fresh thread on the same subject is.

    http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/there-is-an-atmosphere-of-unresolved-debate/

    Given that that thread provided links.

    Unless it was just another opportunity to give Cat Ruin a kicking.

  • willowfield

    That should say “Roman Catholic bishops” as the subject does not concern the Catholic bishops of the Church of Ireland.

  • Dec

    That should say “Roman Catholic bishops” as the subject does not concern the Catholic bishops of the Church of Ireland.

    [Edited by moderator – Play the ball not the man]

    That being said, with the absence of any actual link (and therefore context), it’s difficult to disagree with Willis.

  • T.Ruth

    As a devout episcopalian I thank you for that Willowfield.
    Catriona Ruane lives in another jurisdiction. She crosses the border from her home each morning and drives past a number of Roman Catholic secondary schools to send her children to a grammar school.
    Is a person capable of this level of hypocrisy entitled to be in the position of Minister for Education demanding an end to academic selection.?How will people in her system get into university without a system of academic selection?. Why do we have the academic selection system of GCSE O and A levels in all types of secondary schools.? Will she abolish examinations? Does she expect someone to teach Maths or Physics to an all ability class of seventeen year olds. She should have stayed in the Colombian jungle with the other environmental tourists a while longer.
    She harps on in that irritating manner about equality so perhaps she could explain this. A stste purchased and financed Roman Catholic school gets sold and the proceeds go to its trustees. A state school gets sold and the proceeds go to the Dept.of Education to be used across the entire system.
    What steps will she take to address that inequality as she undertakes an economic rationalisation of the education system.?
    T.Ruth

  • T.Ruth

    As a devout episcopalian I thank you for that Willowfield.
    Catriona Ruane lives in another jurisdiction. She crosses the border from her home each morning and drives past a number of Roman Catholic secondary schools to send her children to a grammar school.
    Is a person capable of this level of hypocrisy entitled to be in the position of Minister for Education demanding an end to academic selection.?How will people in her system get into university without a system of academic selection?. Why do we have the academic selection system of GCSE O and A levels in all types of secondary schools.? Will she abolish examinations? Does she expect someone to teach Maths or Physics to an all ability class of seventeen year olds. She should have stayed in the Colombian jungle with the other environmental tourists a while longer.
    She harps on in that irritating manner about equality so perhaps she could explain this. A state purchased and financed Roman Catholic school gets sold and the proceeds go to its trustees. A state school gets sold and the proceeds go to the Dept.of Education to be used across the entire system.
    What steps will she take to address that inequality as she undertakes an economic rationalisation of the education system.?
    T.Ruth

  • I don’t normally think that any heed whatsoever should be paid to bishops, but if they’re going to be quoted, you might as well quote them properly. So at what point in the original communication do the words “fear, uncertainty and instability” appear, and at what point is the ‘accusation’ levelled at the minister in particular?

  • willis

    The word fears only occurs once in the statement

    “While we sympathise with the fears and uncertainty being generated by a lack of clarity about future procedures for school selection, we wish to state our clear opposition to the introduction of independent academic assessment tools by schools as a temporary or future means of pupil selection. We would ask Catholic primary schools to use only those methods of testing that come from statutory bodies.”

    Feel free to check

    http://www.catholiccommunications.ie/Pressrel/26-june-2008.html

    Not really up to Fair Deal’s usual standards. Maybe Cat has got him really annoyed. I know if my kids were at the upper end of primary I would be annoyed too.

  • fair_deal

    Willowfield/T.Ruth/Willis

    Apologies for my poor drafting plus the failure to provide a link. I can only plead fatigue couldn’t sleep last night that is why I was posting at 1.04am and was still awake for the henley result.

    Willis

    I didn’t see the earlier thread, the quote is taken from the now provided link, maybe Timothy Bartlett their spokesperson said it?

    No I am spared the problems many parents are presently facing.

  • willis

    Ah! A lifetime’s credibility destroyed by the desire to see Labour put to the sword!

  • willis

    Anyhow perhaps we could use this thread to discuss the merits of this part of the statement:

    “Some five years ago we said that we should move to election of schools by parents and away from selection of pupils by schools. While we pay tribute to the excellent reputation and tradition that many schools have developed over the years, at the same time we should not lose sight of the fact that publicly funded schools together exist to serve the whole of society and its communities, not just their own interests. Schools are to be evaluated as good schools when they provide a range of opportunities for all children and are responsive to the particular gifts of every child.”

    Is election a practical solution?

    Steady there Dr Calvin, I’m not quite sure it is that sort of election they are talking about.

  • Kieran J writes:

    [i]”Actually, it does matter. There are nine Catholic Bishops in the six counties to minister over a total Catholic population of under 700,000. That clocks out to under 90,000 folks per Bishop.”[/i]

    But, the Catholic dioceses do not follow the political boundary and most of them serve Catholics in the Republic as well as in Northern Ireland.

    I found at least 5 separate dioceses covering parts of NI. Now, every Catholic Diocese usually has a bishop and an auxiliary bishop, so 9 bishops is one less than normal.

  • #

    That should say “Roman Catholic bishops” as the subject does not concern the Catholic bishops of the Church of Ireland.

    [Edited by moderator – Play the ball not the man]

    That being said, with the absence of any actual link (and therefore context), it’s difficult to disagree with Willis.
    Posted by Dec on Jun 27, 2008 @ 10:02 AM

    [Edited by moderator – Play the ball not the man]

    Here’s something for all you northies, I thought it was hilarious, pretty much sums up the northern sports news.